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Before I get to the meat of this sandwich, I'd just like to say thanks to all the devs (both this site's makers and the contributing kind) who so graciously share their intellectual property. You guys F'in Rule!
I have a question that has been bothering me for a while now and even more so now that higher and higher-end phones keep emerging. Besides HTC, whom I am a huge fan of, I can't fathom why most phone developing companies build such sophisticated handsets and then only stick 512mb of RAM in them. I keep reading all these spec sheets (I read just about everyone I can get my hands on) and when it comes to the memory, each has only this seemingly minuscule amount. Am I missing something? How can you build a mobile device that has dual-core 1.2ghz processors, (forgive me for saying it) "Retina" type screens, soon to be 3D technology and only put this small amount of memory it? Is 512mb more than adequate? Would it kill them to put a full gig? I use a Dinc and have somewhere north of 140 apps (and this is after I deleted at least 20) and I was using (and still am to a lesser degree) a combination of App Categories, Smart Shortcuts. Multicon and maybe 10-15 widgets (google search X2, 2 news types, calendar, small HTC scrolling people widget, dictionary.com, powerstrip, plus the individual wifi & gps widgets X2 each). Before I deleted said apps and changed my widget use, I had a constant warning in my notification bar that read "Insufficient Memory." In checking my phone's file managers, neither my sd card nor the 8gigs of internal storage were even close to full. Can you see where I'm going with this? I feel like Jack Nicholson in the church scene at the end of Witches Of Eastwick... "is it a mistake!? Or did they do it to us, on purpose?! Cause I want to know!!" (I clearly know it is done on purpose, it's just an illustration) So to simply say it, Why the standard of 512mb and is this really enough?
P.S. Sorry for the Dennis Miller-like rant.
The complete answer is long...... so the short answer is --- the motherboard on a smart phone has to have many of the same things as a computer. MB/VDO/Sound/modem/rom/ram/memory (both internal and external) + music, camera ...etc.
Originally, voltage and power were the real limiting factors plus physical size, as time went on (from-2001-2009) things got smaller and smaller and faster and lower voltage. It has taken until 2008 -2009 to reach the technology to have 1 gig ram, but since development leads market (when we see it) by 18 months we do not see until 2011, some of the new phones this year will have 1gig ram.
That, and most things that need a lot of ram are games, and most people do not use the phone for that. Plus, more ram more processing more power usage then mad customers claiming their phone battery sux. Also, there were not many apps that need a lot of ram, so build for the need, as the need increases then the phone will be updated accordingly. go to remember we at XDA are 1% of the users not the 99% most do not care about knowing whether their phone is really working right or not, just as long as they can have it do the useless things they want it to do.......... bottom line, until marketing sees improving the tech side of the phone will improve sales it doesn't happen. That's how it works...sorry to say
I hear everything that you are saying and it all makes perfect sense. Just out of curiosity, what, other than games, would use a heavy amount of RAM on a phone? I don't really play many games, I have a couple but mainly stick to Angry Birds if the occasion actually calls for one. To clarify what little I know about RAM, it is the memory a device/comp uses in order to read/store bits of info for quick use at a later time. Would it not help the phone's overall general processing, like switching between apps and the like, to have a great deal more of it?
You can tryout "system panel" at the apps store, this will graph out the usage of the ram and so you where the memory and cpu resources are going. This will probably answer your curiosity better. But, yes more is always better...... I have 32 gigs on my desktop (LOL) yeah i am a junkie but wow program are so fast now.
I don't play game either but there are some of the role playing games that are real memory hogs Neocore is a game we use to test the phone for speed. Just like a computer, the 2 things that will make a difference....... more ram better video card. Or, in this case vdo-chip. That is why (imho) the dual cores are coming 1 core for video and one for everything else.
I bought a phone with specifications that say there exists 768MB of RAM and 4GB of ROM, yet I can only access 1GB of that ROM.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/inspire-att#tech-specs
What's going on here? I read an explanation about SLC and MLC but that would cut the ROM in half, not into a quarter, of what it should be.
I really hate HTC sometimes - they promise so much and then you get the thing and it doesn't even come close to living up to expectations!
EtherealRemnant said:
I really hate HTC sometimes - they promise so much and then you get the thing and it doesn't even come close to living up to expectations!
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its the same way with ANY company, not just HTC. I don't understand why everyone gets in a bunch with phone memory. Go buy a 500 gb hdd from any other brand and tell me how much you can access. No one *****es about that though??
you are close on the formatting issues though. The ROM is originally 4gb, but is formatted for speed since the system files are stored on it. This cuts the storage space in HALF (like you said) since it becomes single layer. So we are down to 2gb, but the OS is also installed on this space. This takes up nearly 1 gb, which leaves us at ~1 gb usable space.
There is another thread around here that goes into quite a bit a of detail, and really makes for a funny read with one dude claiming this 4gb chip is not even installed in our phones and that the OS is SOMEHOW installed on the 768mb RAM chip. Hopefully someone posts the link because it really was quite entertaining.
buddy17 said:
its the same way with ANY company, not just HTC. I don't understand why everyone gets in a bunch with phone memory. Go buy a 500 gb hdd from any other brand and tell me how much you can access. No one *****es about that though??
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Not true, you buy a 500GB HDD and you get a 500GB HDD, it just depends on how you calculate it.
Let's look at a 16GB micro SD card for example. You start out with 16GB, which is 16,000 MB, or 16,000,000 KB, or 16,000,000,000 Bytes. So to get from 16,000,000,000 Bytes to Gigabytes, you divide by 1000 3 times. Unfortunately, this is not how an OS will compute the size of a drive. It will divide by 1024, thus:
16,000,000,000 Bytes/1024
=15,625,000 KB/1024
=15,258.79 MB/1024
=14.9 GB which should be roughly the amount of storage space that your OS will tell you you have.
Hope this helps
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Thought I would include a calculation for a 500GB HDD just for reference:
=500,000,000,000 B/1024
=488,281,250 KB/1024
=476,837.16 MB/1024
=465.66 GB which should be very roughly what the size of your drive will be reported as by your OS.
that doesn't help at all....because i was just using it as a reference. The specifics don't matter. You buy a 500gb hdd, you hook it up to your computer, it shows 465gb that you can store stuff on.
We are told we have a 4gb ROM chip (like buying a 500gb hdd), it gets installed in our phone, formatted a certain way, and OS installed along with a few other things, and we end up with 1gb we can store stuff on.
same difference. the hdd is misadvertised because of how the OS calculates the space, our ROM is misadvertised by the way it is formatted.
buddy17 said:
same difference. the hdd is misadvertised because of how the OS calculates the space, our ROM is misadvertised by the way it is formatted.
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Exactly this. When I buy a hard drive I expect the discrepancy and factor it into my purchase if needed. With something like a phone, I see 4gb of storage and unless told otherwise am assuming that is usable space.
The simple fact of the matter is, a company is going to advertise the highest possible spec and number of their product they can represent. How much you actually can use varies, but it's all there in the hardware. The amount available to us is still plenty.
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The amount available to us is still plenty.
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exactly THIS!! especially with an 8gb external card included. if you plan to use the thing as a music machine then sure, invest in a bigger card. Even without apps2sd, it would be a challenge for 90% of people to fill up that 1gb internal
buddy17 said:
exactly THIS!! especially with an 8gb external card included. if you plan to use the thing as a music machine then sure, invest in a bigger card. Even without apps2sd, it would be a challenge for 90% of people to fill up that 1gb internal
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Just another example - anyone check their free space on a freshly formatted XBox360 Drive? A 20GB drive you'll only see about 10-12GB of. My 250GB drive I'm pretty sure started out with 196GB free.
And, for the 3rd or 4th time (as this thread has shown up plenty of times before), here is the response I got from HTC regarding the the memory, showing they clearly don't see this as an 'issue':
Dear User,
I understand the importance of being able to use the fully memory capacity of your HTC Inspire 4G. The 4GB of ROM on your device is shared with the operating system and all programs that are pre-installed on the device. I do apologize for any inconvenience that you may have experienced through this.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 11USCW09ENA001776.
Sincerely,
Jeffery
HTC
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buddy17 said:
its the same way with ANY company, not just HTC. I don't understand why everyone gets in a bunch with phone memory. Go buy a 500 gb hdd from any other brand and tell me how much you can access. No one *****es about that though??
you are close on the formatting issues though. The ROM is originally 4gb, but is formatted for speed since the system files are stored on it. This cuts the storage space in HALF (like you said) since it becomes single layer. So we are down to 2gb, but the OS is also installed on this space. This takes up nearly 1 gb, which leaves us at ~1 gb usable space.
There is another thread around here that goes into quite a bit a of detail, and really makes for a funny read with one dude claiming this 4gb chip is not even installed in our phones and that the OS is SOMEHOW installed on the 768mb RAM chip. Hopefully someone posts the link because it really was quite entertaining.
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This is 100% correct This is the link your talking about, explains what happens to the internal storage.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000094&page=2
I was told I was wrong though, and apparently I should take a class to learn how how these things work.
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Not true, you buy a 500GB HDD and you get a 500GB HDD, it just depends on how you calculate it.
Let's look at a 16GB micro SD card for example. You start out with 16GB, which is 16,000 MB, or 16,000,000 KB, or 16,000,000,000 Bytes. So to get from 16,000,000,000 Bytes to Gigabytes, you divide by 1000 3 times. Unfortunately, this is not how an OS will compute the size of a drive. It will divide by 1024, thus:
16,000,000,000 Bytes/1024
=15,625,000 KB/1024
=15,258.79 MB/1024
=14.9 GB which should be roughly the amount of storage space that your OS will tell you you have.
Hope this helps
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Thought I would include a calculation for a 500GB HDD just for reference:
=500,000,000,000 B/1024
=488,281,250 KB/1024
=476,837.16 MB/1024
=465.66 GB which should be very roughly what the size of your drive will be reported as by your OS.
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Close...but 16GB = 16,384MB and 500GB = 512,000MB.
1GB = 1024MB
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Close...but 16GB = 16,384MB and 500GB = 512,000MB.
1GB = 1024MB
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Not so close, he was correct but yours would be 16GiB = 16,384MiB.
16GB = 16,000MB
(sorry, don't kill me I didn't make the rules!)
di11igaf said:
This is 100% correct This is the link your talking about, explains what happens to the internal storage.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000094&page=2
I was told I was wrong though, and apparently I should take a class to learn how how these things work.
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LMAO wow that Bella guy/girl whatever is a COMPLETE moron!
di11igaf said:
This is 100% correct This is the link your talking about, explains what happens to the internal storage.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000094&page=2
I was told I was wrong though, and apparently I should take a class to learn how how these things work.
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LOL thats the one! This should be nominated for Thread of the Year
I understand what people are saying about the formatting, the OS, etc., however, coming from a Captivate and actually getting my 16GB of storage PLUS my external storage, it is a bit ****ty on HTC's part to advertise 4GB when you can only use 1GB - I might as well still have my EVO if I wanted 1GB of internal storage - at least the EVO held on to a signal...
With HTC, its always SOMETHING. First with the Windows Mobile phones, they didn't give us graphics drivers for the Imageon chip in the phones. With the EVO, they started cheaping out on the display type and some of them were noticeably yellow. The Mogul had overheating issues (I personally went through 7 of them before they finally gave me the Touch Pro 2). Now they're misrepresenting device specifications.
The only ***** I had about Samsung was their total lack of providing updates for their devices. Hell I dropped my Captivate I don't know how many times and the screen doesn't have a single chip in it, even the time it fell on the ground face-first.
I'm just saying that instead of sitting here and saying "it is how it is formatted," we should be writing letters to HTC letting them know that the behavior is unacceptable. Yeah we have external storage through our microSD cards but internal storage tends to be quite a bit faster, at least that's how it was with my Captivate.
If you are that worried about it, then seriously, just go grab another captivate and hang out over there. I'm so tired of everyone getting their panties in a wad over this. It sounds like you don't like the inspire nearly as much as the captivate if you have only one complaint on the captivate vs 5 for HTC. Or quit complaining, buy a bigger sd card and get over it.
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I hated my Captivate...
Battery life was rubbish, screen was oversaturated and hard ot the eyes after extended periods, it was laggy, buggy, no updates, a pain to unlock, vibrate was too weak, the entire time I owned it I didn't once get a GPS lock (no matter how long I waited) and I often had market issues.
My $0.02, only a real jack of clubs would prefer the Captivate.
Hi guys. Just wondering got galaxy s3 and my available memory is 11,35 gb on 16gb model. I do understand that system need some space itself but can that be over 4gb or is it just faulty memory?
That is normal. Mine was the same size.
That is how much usable memory you get. Kinda a rip off IMO. If you need more memory you could always get a 32 or 64gb microsd card and try the Sd card mod to make the phone think its the internal memory.
Agree with everyone else. That's the norm for storage devices, there's always a sizable amount of space taken up by the system/OS of the device you are looking at.
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Well first you gotta take into account it's not a full 16gb to begin with... NO harddrive/flash memory or anything is ever fully true to the number on the box. It's always off. Then the system takes 4-5gb worth of space too.
With magnetic storage it wad always a random amount, due to many factors. I remember in the early 90's it was like a lottery drawing to see how much space you actually got - and you're talking about full-size hard drives measured in megabytes for hundreds of dollars.
At least with flash memory it's a pretty consistent amount of space used for the memory to use itself, the real subjective number anymore is how much space the OS takes up.
I've been out of space on my Zune HD (32 GB) for a few months and I'm going to sell it, along with my dock (I'm also still kinda pissed about microsoft dropping it like a rock). Hopefully I can still get ~$80 off of it all together and put that with another $50 or so.
I am looking to replace it, and I really don't want an iPod because, well there are many reasons why. I really want a small android PMP, but Galaxy Players and Sony's Walkman android aren't really worth the price, and don't give me much more (if any more) memory to work with. Therefore, I figure I can buy a used android phone with a bad ESN for cheap and just use it as a PMP.
I figure a 64 GB card with an 8 GB phone will be enough for now, of course a little more would be good, but as far as I can find, 64 GB is the biggest MicroSD available, and I figured, this SDXC memory card with this phone, flashed with a really good CM custom ROM to make it pretty fluid for menus and such. I know the DX2 is old and wasn't originally designed to work with microSD that large, and at first I didn't think it would work, but this video makes me think otherwise...
Does this sound like a good idea? Has anybody else here taken this approach? Are there be any side effects? Is there a better option? Or am I just going about this entire thing the wrong way?
Have you checked out the Cowon X9 (http://www.cowonglobal.com/product_wide/COWONX9/product_page_1.php)
Im curious. Do you still have unlimited data? What are your plans about keeping it? Whats your next phone?
I switched to the 6GB share plan, and I'm either getting an iPhone 5, or a Droid DNA.
Seriously?..... I guess we should each have our own thread when we decide to get a new phone.
Each day that passes, I look more and more forward to getting away from the redundancy and boringness of these Tbolt forums.
Well I'm loving my TB its on liquid ics 3.2 I think over fast and the next fone should be the Droid DNA or Samsung note 3
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Why in the hell would you switch from unlimited to 6GB? You do realize that higher phones will pull more data, higher quality video streams, and so on right? What used to be 4GB on the TB will turn into 8GB on the DNA or other similar phones.
Anyway I bought the DNA and gave it a trial run, found out it really wasnt for me and didnt suit my needs so I'm back on the TB. The only thing I want in a new phone is a bigger screen now. The TB fills every other category on my wish list perfectly.
At this point I'm probably going to wait until I really see something I like come out. The Droid DNA had a lot of potential, but it's major shortfalls (16GB only, no uSD slot, non-removable battery) are hard to ignore. It's tough to justify the GS3 now that it's already 6 months old, so I think I'm going to wait and see what 2013 brings to the table. While I'm fine with the large phone size (although I think phablets like the Note are too large), I do wish one of the big Android manufacturers would put out a top tier phone in a smaller form factor. There's no way my wife could comfortably use the DNA or GS3 (the Tbolt is about her hand's limit), but it seems there's no top tier phone in the low 4" sizes anymore.
I still have unlimited. Next phone? I won't know that for 6 month but it will have 64GB or an SD slot. I have 64 Gig SDXC in my tbolt now.
Why would you want 64GB? Isnt that like 30,000 songs? At least 100 movies? Half the apps in the app store? You should probably get over your memory requirements since removable batteries and stuff are a thing of the past. Phones are moving into the cloud, designed for wireless charging, ultra light weight and portability. To achieve this you need to be able to just cram everything in there any way you can, which makes it less likely for access.
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Why would you want 64GB? Isnt that like 30,000 songs? At least 100 movies? Half the apps in the app store? You should probably get over your memory requirements since removable batteries and stuff are a thing of the past. Phones are moving into the cloud, designed for wireless charging, ultra light weight and portability. To achieve this you need to be able to just cram everything in there any way you can, which makes it less likely for access.
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I was once asked why anyone would want 1MB (yes megabyte) of RAM in a computer. The "cloud" is finicky, not always available, and not to be trusted if you care anything about privacy. Memory is cheap and light. ($42 retail less than 1g for my 64GB). I'm willing to bet the trend toward no removable battery or memory is money (i.e. cost of manufacture and support) not ability of the designers to execute. The trends seems to be LARGER phones (bigger screens bigger batteries).
Buy a used phone and keep your unlimited data. eBay, swappa, etc. I've bought my wife and I each a galaxy nexus for around $220 each. You won't regret it.
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Keeping the tbolt and bought a tablet to use along side my bolt with tethering on...
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tburns said:
Keeping the tbolt and bought a tablet to use along side my bolt with tethering on...
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Me, too. I just got a Lenovo A1107 for $120 (as a carputer) and have a 10.1" Samsung Tablet for around the house. The Bolt can stay as a telephone and mobile hotspot.
Verizon sucks, though.
nonews said:
I was once asked why anyone would want 1MB (yes megabyte) of RAM in a computer. The "cloud" is finicky, not always available, and not to be trusted if you care anything about privacy. Memory is cheap and light. ($42 retail less than 1g for my 64GB). I'm willing to bet the trend toward no removable battery or memory is money (i.e. cost of manufacture and support) not ability of the designers to execute. The trends seems to be LARGER phones (bigger screens bigger batteries).
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You knew 1MB would never suffice for a computer because you could foresee the advancements in technology requiring more space in the future. So what advancements do you see in cell-phone technology requiring 64gb, 128gb, screw it a full terabyte if storage? You might as well tell me that I'm foolish for feeling 160mph is fast enough in my car, because one day we might all be cruising at 250mph through the neighborhood. Movies arent getting any longer, songs are getting any bigger. There is no practical reason for a feature length film to be more than a couple of gigabytes since the screen size will always be less than 7".
It is precisely because phones are getting bigger that the engineering involved is getting more difficult. Special considerations have to be made when designing a battery that can be removed. It is MUCH easier for a designer if he doesnt have to worry about this. Imagine if cell-phone had removable 4G chips, video processors and ram. Do you really think the design could still be kept as portable as something like the Iphone, DNA, or SGS3? Of course not, you'd end up with a phone as big as a laptop trying to accommodate this.
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You knew 1MB would never suffice for a computer because you could foresee the advancements in technology requiring more space in the future. So what advancements do you see in cell-phone technology requiring 64gb, 128gb, screw it a full terabyte if storage? You might as well tell me that I'm foolish for feeling 160mph is fast enough in my car, because one day we might all be cruising at 250mph through the neighborhood. Movies arent getting any longer, songs are getting any bigger. There is no practical reason for a feature length film to be more than a couple of gigabytes since the screen size will always be less than 7".
It is precisely because phones are getting bigger that the engineering involved is getting more difficult. Special considerations have to be made when designing a battery that can be removed. It is MUCH easier for a designer if he doesnt have to worry about this. Imagine if cell-phone had removable 4G chips, video processors and ram. Do you really think the design could still be kept as portable as something like the Iphone, DNA, or SGS3? Of course not, you'd end up with a phone as big as a laptop trying to accommodate this.
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Bad assumption, straw man and non sequitur
I had no special knowledge for what computer memory would be used. I only know, looking BACK at computer technology, that EVERY time someone has suggested “No one will ever need more than _____” we blew right past that without a pause. People are pretty clever in using all of a given resource. For myself I am just under 32GB used on my SD right now so 64GB I don’t have to worry about filling given my current usage model. (Which is why I stated that I could live with a 64GB fixed memory phone?) Even so 128GB devices are practically a given and 1TB is not much of a stretch. This trend will probably continue until we can fit no more into 1cm^2. What will use all of this storage? I don’t know. People are very clever in using all of a given resource however.
Does online storage and fast wireless mitigate the need for large local storage? Yes. Does it fully replace the need? No. Are data caps and overage charges making replacing local storage harder? Probably.
As for video I think your assumption of 7” is incorrect. Phones already have outputs (HDMI or the like) to drive large screens. What will those screens be in the future in size and frame rate be? HD, 2K 4K 8K? 24,30,48,60 FPS? I fully expect video files to grow.
Audio – I don’t see it changing much but perhaps bandwidth and storage will favor lossless CODECs.
Your car analogy is weak. Automobiles already operate close to the human ability to perform in many areas, portable devices… not so much. I would like to go 800 miles on a tank of gas.
I really disagree with you regarding designing for bigger vs smaller phones. A larger phone, dominated by say the display should offer more opportunity to fit things in. Of course if the wider and taller phone actually has less volume than previous phones then it would be more challenging and if it has to weigh less even with a larger volume then it may be really tough. Removable storage and batteries ARE harder to design as I said before and I fully understand that the extra cost of design and manufacture of removable storage and batteries favors the design of non-removable storage and batteries. No one mentioned changing SOC or coms or radios but that is another straw man.
Before I go on, I'm just curious, what does your 32gb of cellphone storage consist of?
The key word here is "right now."
Right now 64 GB might seem like a top end tier for mobile storage. But the DNA is 1080p resolution with more phones to likely follow suit. The files will be larger, and data consumption will increase.
Carrier networks are no longer in the unlimited era. Caps, throttling, and insanely annoying persistent wifi alerts rule the day. If carriers insist on treating network bandwidth like gold from Ft. Knox, then I'm going to want to carry more, and cloud less.
16 gigs of storage becomes 11 after OS and bloat. 11 gigs is pretty pedestrian on a device that can hold apps, movies, and songs. How long have we had iPods with more than 11 gigs in storage?
SGS 3 had it right. So does the Note 2. If I want locked down drudgery I'd buy an iPhone.
I love HTC, but they need to get somebody else making decisions over there. Carrier exclusive phones? Fail. No SD Card or removable battery? Sigh.
I'm considering a Nexus 4, but that's only because it has budget pricing, and I can use it with pre-paid service. (Read: I'm cheap)
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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Before I go on, I'm just curious, what does your 32gb of cellphone storage consist of?
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25.6GB of audio
1.1G of nandroids (each about 1Gig)
2G Ti backups, app data, app cache and system stuff
I could live with 32GB if I had to for a while at least.
If you have a few Roms you like and have nandroids of, they're almost a gig a piece.
I hate how new phones are stopping at 16 gigs with no sd slot. It's not enough memory for me, nandroids and app backups are necessary and use a lot of space.
I'm the last person I ever thought would be advocating for less storage space. Believe me I'm with you when it comes to the ignorance of people who always thought ABC/XYZ was enough. I guess a better way to justify the design of something like the Droid DNA is that it at least gets the job done. I watch tons of movies, listen to tons of music, and keep my phone docked in a cradle on my desk to surf at work all day long. I just found alternatives to storage limitation that just so happen to be the direction the industry is trying to push us in. I recognized that I dont need to have 10 movies on my device at any given moment because it's not like I'll ever really be watching them. At least not often enough to justify a need for storage to keep them. I uploaded my entire song library to Google Play which was a huge boon because now I have it with me on any device anywhere I go. I dont keep more than 1 nandroid of my device because my previous build is the only thing worth keeping. When I flash a new rom I simply keep a failsafe, and I only store about 2-3 roms on my device as redundant failsafes for each other in the event things really go sour or I just get really bored.
If this is the tradeoff necessary to have a beautiful 5" display with wireless charging and weighs light as a feather, then I consider this a win. If the alternative is a larger, heavier, more expensive phone to accommodate the best of both worlds (tons of storage and tons of power) then I consider that a loss. I will gladly take form over function since the function can be made up for in other areas that actually add quite a bit of newfound convenience. To me, this whole idea of clinging to old phone standards of sd-cards and removable batteries is just oldschool thinking. It reminds me of the business tycoon still using his monochrome blackberry thinking he's the ****, and that all these kids just dont "get it" with their fancy colors and lack of technical needs. Or the supposedly tech savvy laptop pro who buys the heaviest most impossible to carry device with a 17" screen, optical disc drive, and 10 USB ports for that 1 time he actually needs it. Everything you use your storage for is just for an emergency. 25gb of music, multiple nandroids, etc. They're all just "what if" scenarios that probably see the light of day once every few months. Sacrificing the entire build of a phone for this off-chance scenario is just very backwards thinking imo.
You dont have to believe me but the dna gets excellent battery life for a phone with a 1080p and the lack of an sd card is irrelevant since it is otg capable meaning an external hard drive can be used. The sad part is that a new one x phone is right around the corner.
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I'm the last person I ever thought would be advocating for less storage space. ....
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I glad you found a usage model with which you are happy. I prefer another.