Hi,
I am on nexus 5 kit kat stock, multitasking is so bad,it seems to me i have Samsung s3 again in my hands, despite now i have 2 GB of RAM.the problemi is i have about 500 MB free RAM and kit kat starts killing apps .Anyone ?
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This is nothing like my s3. The s3 was terrible.
Of course apps start getting killed. Its called oom (out of memory). If you're having problems (or if you THINK you're having problems) adjust your oom via script or whatever. Plenty of info in a Google search for that
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This phone has the best multitasking ever. Former owner of sensation amaze s3 nexus 4 s4 note 1 note 2 g2 iphone 4 4s 5 one s one x
Certainly the best I've experienced.
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I had Samsung s3 and note 2.s3 was terribile for multitasking, note 2 was much better than nexus 5.changing oom groupings is now difficult because they changed in KitKat.i think there is some limit in KitKat.because i can only have 12 items open despite free RAM, a lot of free RAM ...sede my screenshots
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rootSU said:
This is nothing like my s3. The s3 was terrible.
Of course apps start getting killed. Its called oom (out of memory). If you're having problems (or if you THINK you're having problems) adjust your oom via script or whatever. Plenty of info in a Google search for that
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You mean minfree, not oom.oom have changed in KitKat and no script-apps works.min free can be changed but they have to 'match' with oom.so,at the moment,KitKat has bad multitasking,starting to kill apps even if you have a lot of free ram
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although this phone is great, it comes no where close to my s4 running task's aokp and ktoonsez kernel. no. where. close.
What are you guys multitasking? Games?
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I haven't encountered this for the most part, but Chrome is a notable and frustrating exception. If I have Chrome open (even one tab) and switch to another app, the page will always reload when I go back to Chrome. With my S4, I could pull up Chrome literally days after the last time I used it, and whatever page I was on was still in memory and didn't have to be reloaded. I'm pleased with multitasking on the N5 for the most part, but the reloading in Chrome is really irritating.
xBeerdroiDx said:
although this phone is great, it comes no where close to my s4 running task's aokp and ktoonsez kernel. no. where. close.
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Despite the fanboy part for those devs, can you be specific and enlighten us why do you think that?
Every review says otherwise. Never had any slow downs multi tasking but then I close what I'm not using.
gaetanolip said:
You mean minfree, not oom.oom have changed in KitKat and no script-apps works.min free can be changed but they have to 'match' with oom.so,at the moment,KitKat has bad multitasking,starting to kill apps even if you have a lot of free ram
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minfree is oom and it is working as normal.
Check your values using:
Code:
cat /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
By default mine are:
Code:
12288,15360,18432,21504,24576,30720
I can indeed confirm that if I:
Code:
echo "12288,15360,18432,21504,24576,30721" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
...cat will show me the change.
Of course, as you know these values are set by the kernel and will not persist beyond a reboot - so you need to use script manager or ini.d to apply at boot with root permissions.
ok guys,
mahe this little try , please:
1)install system panel app from market
2) open as many app as possible on your nexus 5
3 open system panel and chech how many apps are listed and how much is the free ram ...
you will see that you 'll have at max 12-13 items listed in "active applications", then nexus will start killing apps BUT you have still 500-550 free RAM!!!
so, why 500 unused free ram???multitasking should be better...
gaetanolip said:
ok guys,
mahe this little try , please:
1)install system panel app from market
2) open as many app as possible on your nexus 5
3 open system panel and chech how many apps are listed and how much is the free ram ...
you will see that you 'll have at max 12-13 items listed in "active applications", then nexus will start killing apps BUT you have still 500-550 free RAM!!!
so, why 500 unused free ram???multitasking should be better...
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Mine is hanging around the 19 apps mark. And even when an app is "dropped" from here in the "Active apps" section in system panel, I re-open it and it opens to the place in the app where I left it (Tapatalk is a good test for this) so perhaps only you're having this issue.
As long as an app doesn't "lose it's place" then multitasking is doing it's job, so again - all I can say is no issues here,
I have never experienced a real world scenario where apps are killed. The only case was when i tried to multitask 3d games like Asphalt 8, Real Racing etc, where i can play up to 3 games at the same time and usually when i open a 4th game, the 1st is killed and i have about 500MB free RAM.
Use greenify. It will drastically improve your situation. Kills all tasks that you don't want to actively running in the background.
If it's bothering you that much look into Zepplinrox's Supercharger scripts. It can completely reprioritize you apps,set new custom optimal oom settings on your device, and change how many apps can stay in memory before android starts killing them. You can even set up apps to never ever be killed using the Bulletproof script. I don't have any issues on KitKat but the scripts made a huge difference for me on my Evo LTE with 1gb RAM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
donald.dk said:
Use greenify. It will drastically improve your situation. Kills all tasks that you don't want to actively running in the background.
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AndrasLOHF said:
If it's bothering you that much look into Zepplinrox's Supercharger scripts. It can completely reprioritize you apps,set new custom optimal oom settings on your device, and change how many apps can stay in memory before android starts killing them. You can even set up apps to never ever be killed using the Bulletproof script. I don't have any issues on KitKat but the scripts made a huge difference for me on my Evo LTE with 1gb RAM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
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i know boyh greenify and v6 supercharger ( the latter isn't ready for kitkat yet) , because i isued them in my note 2 togheter with swap file.
I changed minfree but the situation is the same, there must be another limit in backgroun apps in kitkat.
But all those are workarounds, the poi remains the same:
why cannot i use my free ram? why android kills apps whe i have still 500-600 mb of free ram?
It is a shame...
I've found multitasking to be great on this phone. I've yet to run into an issue with apps closing themselves. Then again, I'll occasionally close apps that I have open that I know I'm not using, but I definitely have had 10+ apps running concurrently, able to switch between them, and no lag/memory leak issues that I can tell.
I too ran CM and ktoonsez kernel and while they made a huge difference then, the Nexus5 blows every phone I've used thus far out of the water and is the first phone I've used without CyanogenMod without major complaint. I also haven't had any of the multi tasking issues but I use the trickster mod app with many kernel changes
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Now maybe it is just me, but in your "reported to work on:" section in your post, it never mentions the Nexus One. That is kind of important when you are posting in the "Nexus One" sub-forum.
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you are right, of course i wouldn't post it here if it couldn't run on N1
post is fixed now.
Been using this the day I got my Nexus One. Does it work? I have no idea! I have no reference points to compare it with.
It's small though and certainly isnt causing any problems. Worst case it does nothing, oh well, best case it helps alot. Pretty sure thats a no-lose scenario.
Incoming flood of posts about "killing apps is bad for your phone"
Shouldn't these types of things be posted here?
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Incoming flood of posts about "killing apps is bad for your phone"
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And I guess I'll be the one to start.
Read my signature. 39 apps running and 0 apps running have the same responsiveness. Killing apps does nothing but free unneeded RAM.
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And I guess I'll be the one to start.
Read my signature. 39 apps running and 0 apps running have the same responsiveness. Killing apps does nothing but free unneeded RAM.
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Task Killers are needed, just not what some people are using them for. For example, the speedtest.net app has a bug where when you back out of the app, it still uses your gps draining your battery, having a task killer will allow you to close that program without having to reboot your phone.
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Task Killers are needed, just not what some people are using them for. For example, the speedtest.net app has a bug where when you back out of the app, it still uses your gps draining your battery, having a task killer will allow you to close that program without having to reboot your phone.
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Lol that's funny because that app is the only reason I use a task killer. It is definitely needed for killing apps with bugs but not for keeping apps out of the RAM for no reason.
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And I guess I'll be the one to start.
Read my signature. 39 apps running and 0 apps running have the same responsiveness. Killing apps does nothing but free unneeded RAM.
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A bit misleading....
I thought the video showed someone with 39 apps running comparing to 0 apps running.
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dumbestcrayon said:
Lol that's funny because that app is the only reason I use a task killer. It is definitely needed for killing apps with bugs but not for keeping apps out of the RAM for no reason.
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unfortunately there are many applications which cannot sleep properly, or don't release resources. (the most annoying I met with was TasKiller itself!!!) if you have the time to find out which are these one bye one, you can kill them any time you finish using them. but if you don't want to mess with this, setting lowmemory killer is the best approach as a fix.
"free" memory is not useless: it is always filled up with cache of your most used applications. so you get resource-consuming applications killed, and got cache with preloaded data your phone will probably use.
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Task Killers are needed, just not what some people are using them for. For example, the speedtest.net app has a bug where when you back out of the app, it still uses your gps draining your battery, having a task killer will allow you to close that program without having to reboot your phone.
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You can just use the built in task killer to do that... menu, settings, apps(programs in a Desire ROM), manage apps, select the app(might want to hit menu, then select running apps only)... then force stop.
Granted, a task killer makes it quicker and easier to bring this list up, but it calls on the built in task killer to actually kill the task.
To the OP, great work! Looks nice! The ability to change how aggressive you want the auto task killing is nice to have, and it is nice to have eye candy when killing a rogue app. All though I don't ever use these sorts of apps, I like what you have done with yours!
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Does running Advanced Task Manager alongside this app make sense? Is it redundant, helpful or hurtful?
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if you use ATM to kill apps, id is redundant, AK can do it too. ATM may hav some advanced features you need, please check it.
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Description dev says: "root required for all features to work"; does this mean some features work on the unrooted Nexus as well, or nothing at all??
I don't feel like rooting my Nexus, but am looking for a good taskkiller..
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Description dev says: "root required for all features to work"; does this mean some features work on the unrooted Nexus as well, or nothing at all??
I don't feel like rooting my Nexus, but am looking for a good taskkiller..
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Actually process manager part fully works without root (keep alive function connects to minfree and it wont work obviously) but it will just doesnt work, no FC or strange behaviour I also would like to ask you to report back how it behaves on a non rooted device, as i could only test it in dev environments.
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Actually process manager part fully works without root (keep alive function connects to minfree and it wont work obviously) but it will just doesnt work, no FC or strange behaviour I also would like to ask you to report back how it behaves on a non rooted device, as i could only test it in dev environments.
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ATM just uninstalled (last weeks getting slower, FCing apps, not sure if it was ATM's behavior), installing AutoKiller; I'll keep You posted on experience on a not-rooted, stock Google N1!
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for real Samsung u managed to put 1GB more than Note2 and 1.3GB more than GS3
the 1GB more = more services + more Apps running in the memory = less free RAM = more lag
free RAM on GS4 VS Note 2
many apps opened in background with all features on
BTW GS4 have about 100MB more usable RAM than N2
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You're still luckier than me, since I live in China, my I9500 comes with a bunch of crap Chinese software embedded into the ROM that I can't remove. Also mine doesn't have Gapps, no Google Play, can't even add Google Account. Browser also doesn't have any trace of Google, no Chrome bookmarks sync, and search engine is Baidu or Bing.
Multitasking better be good on this phone. Free ram is wasted ram but I don't want it to be anything like the s3 in terms of memory management
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You're still luckier than me, since I live in China, my I9500 comes with a bunch of crap Chinese software embedded into the ROM that I can't remove. Also mine doesn't have Gapps, no Google Play, can't even add Google Account. Browser also doesn't have any trace of Google, no Chrome bookmarks sync, and search engine is Baidu or Bing.
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No way? So we're do you download your apps from? Can you download the play store?
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Galactus said:
Multitasking better be good on this phone. Free ram is wasted ram but I don't want it to be anything like the s3 in terms of memory management
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Free RAM is not wasted
Free ram will be used to cache apps and running apps in the background
When the free ram become too low LMK will start kill apps
and im not sure how it compared to GS3 in real life but im hopping it wont be worse
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No way? So we're do you download your apps from? Can you download the play store?
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Well, I install Google Services Framework apk, and installed Play Store. First time it won't open, so I tried another version, it opened, but says cannot connect. Looks like Chinese government/carriers have done more than just removing the Google apks from the ROM.
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Well, I install Google Services Framework apk, and installed Play Store. First time it won't open, so I tried another version, it opened, but says cannot connect. Looks like Chinese government/carriers have done more than just removing the Google apks from the ROM.
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Have you tried to simply flash the gapps package?
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yahyoh said:
Free RAM is not wasted
Free ram will be used to cache apps and running apps in the background
When the free ram become too low LMK will start kill apps
and im not sure how it compared to GS3 in real life but im hopping it wont be worse
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I think what he meant is that free ram should be used up to help speed up apps. Instead of caching 64mb and dumping memory more often use up 128 to 256mb and let the app run wild, and when you're done android will either keep it cached, or dump it if another app is opened.
fade2green514 said:
I think what he meant is that free ram should be used up to help speed up apps. Instead of caching 64mb and dumping memory more often use up 128 to 256mb and let the app run wild, and when you're done android will either keep it cached, or dump it if another app is opened.
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This
No point in having 2gb of ram and only 500mb is used. The extra space can be used to cache apps you use frequently or will are more likely to use. However, its also foolish to have 2gb of ram, and the system is taking up around 1.52gb out of 1.82gb of usable ram. That leaves the user with 300mb of ram for their custom apps which is the same amount of ram I have left on my S3 before my custom apps are cached.
Once I've used it for around a day without a reboot, my free ram hits around 100mb with the LMK starting when the device gets to about 70mb. I want to be able to have a good few of my custom apps in memory without fear of them being kicked. I would also like to be able to quickly reply to a text mid-game and not worry about it being dumped the moment I switch away from it.
Based on the example above, I could load a bunch of apps into the note 2 whilst I'd be SOL on the S4
HMM in another forums someone got the Octa version and he said when all the features on with many background apps running used RAM about 1.25GB
and this with no features ( just auto rotation and smart stay and wifi ) :angel:
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Have you tried to simply flash the gapps package?
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Yay! I successfully rooted using Cofface's CWM, and flashed Gapps! I also deleted all the bloatware using root uninstaller!
i have 9GB free on my new sprint s4. it's pretty pathetic that they just don't make 32gb standard model.. it wouldn't even be as bad if we were at least able to buy the 32gb..
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i have 9GB free on my new sprint s4. it's pretty pathetic that they just don't make 32gb standard model.. it wouldn't even be as bad if we were at least able to buy the 32gb..
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Thats why im going to cough up the 50 bucks for a 64gb sd card and leave the internal strictly for apps and such. Yes its another 50$ but the 32gb model is probably a lot more than that to upgrade if you ever find one
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Thats why im going to cough up the 50 bucks for a 64gb sd card and leave the internal strictly for apps and such. Yes its another 50$ but the 32gb model is probably a lot more than that to upgrade if you ever find one
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Indeed, but at least you wouldn't feel limited in the amount of apps you can install with a 32Gb model (which I'm waiting for).
With 9Gb free, I'd have to make a choice on what I want to install.
I already have about 10Gb worth of apps on my SIII after making a clean up, and I have almost no games installed currently.
My 64Gb microSD is used for pictures, videos taken by the camera as well as music, the occasional movies, iGo maps, ...
If you want to install bigger games, you'll quickly feel the limit (some games take 2-3 GB).
Well you can always use something like DirectoryBind to use the SD Card, but it really shouldn't be something you have to do on a flagship device.
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Show how much you've used your apps today, in the past week, past month, past 3 months, past year, or all time
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Great app, i have a feature request. Can you please add number of opening for app? For example tapatalk opening 20 times in a day... Etc
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Great app, i have a feature request. Can you please add number of opening for app? For example tapatalk opening 20 times in a day... Etc
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+1 for this feature
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You can add an limiter, which would open a popup that I use some app too much
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Anyone using this application experience any battery drainage. I want to use this, just might seem that this is a huge battery drainer since it's always running in the background. Thanks in advance. The app looks great and is a good idea.
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Anyone using this application experience any battery drainage. I want to use this, just might seem that this is a huge battery drainer since it's always running in the background. Thanks in advance. The app looks great and is a good idea.
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It's not a battery drain. Many Apps actually include what this app does like betterbatterystats. My guess is all this does is keep track of the number of alarms activated per app (I'm not a Dev :/)
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Also include a tab with "not used apps". Since I like to install all apps I see, I forget which are handy and which I never use. With your app this problem can easily be solved
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I believe that the app only displays those apps that you actively have open, while the display is on. Anyway to track apps that you also have actively running in the background?
2 examples that I have: When I'm in the car I have Waze and Torque always running. So I can get verbal directions and see my gauges in Torque. It only reports on one app, whichever is in focus.
Also, if listening to a book in Audible, or music in Pandora, unless the display is on, the app isn't tracking the time used unless the display is on, even if I'm listening to music via headphones or Bluetooth.
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It's not a battery drain. Many Apps actually include what this app does like betterbatterystats. My guess is all this does is keep track of the number of alarms activated per app (I'm not a Dev :/)
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Yep you got it! I use BetterBatteryStats to see how much battery it uses but you can also see through the Android stock battery usage Settings screen. At the default 30 seconds I would say it uses a reasonable amount of battery, but of course that is why I added in being able to change the accuracy.
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Anyone using this application experience any battery drainage. I want to use this, just might seem that this is a huge battery drainer since it's always running in the background. Thanks in advance. The app looks great and is a good idea.
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Hey there! I've used this app for 2 days and I haven't noticed any significant battery drain. I have the HTC One so it probably varies from device and per use.
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I don't want to be rude to the dev, but there is already an app for it, called aptrax
I've been using it for a couple weeks, and it fully satisfies me
This app works fine on my XSola without any relevant battery drain: as a feature request, could it be possible to remove the uninstalled apps even from the No-Show List?
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stiven68 said:
This app works fine on my XSola without any relevant battery drain: as a feature request, could it be possible to remove the uninstalled apps even from the No-Show List?
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Any uninstalled apps shouldn't show up on the app at all, do they for you?
Also I have already gotten starting working on the next release my first priority is making an app-opened counter among other things!
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Any uninstalled apps shouldn't show up on the app at all, do they for you?
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Yes: the uninstalled apps, that were in the list because I used them for a while, continue to appear after their removal (with a wrong icon).
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stiven68 said:
Yes: the uninstalled apps, that were in the list because I used them for a while, continue to appear after their removal (with a wrong icon).
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I will look into this, thank you!
b_TeXteR_d said:
I don't want to be rude to the dev, but there is already an app for it, called aptrax
I've been using it for a couple weeks, and it fully satisfies me
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Good for you. It was still rude. Oh there are multiple apps for the same purpose. Just like there are multiple backup apps, multiple unit convertors, and multiple Data trackers. So your comment was unnecessary.
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AggieDev, if you need translation for Polish - just PM me. Use getlocalization.com - it's a very good site for translating apps for various languages.
zoomol said:
AggieDev, if you need translation for Polish - just PM me. Use getlocalization.com - it's a very good site for translating apps for various languages.
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I wasn't even aware that exists, thank you!
This tool looks pretty good to keep track of the time and manage the working hours in a streamlined manner in order to reach out the level to have touch the end result. I will definitely give it out a try.
Well, if you have wondered why, I think I may have the answer.
Samsung made a claim that the new Touchwiz is stripped down and optimised for better performance, well, they LIED. True optimisation isn't easy, but another manufacturer did it - HTC. Below are the two screenshots of the respective "Running" app section of the settings and see the difference? 1500MB vs 355MB. 5 times more.
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My S6 is running the latest version of Touchwiz, COGA, and the M8 is running a lollipop custom ROM ported from the M9 (sort of). I sincerely hope Samsung will fix this issue, as even the 4GB RAM Note 5 and Edge Plus are also experiencing app shutdowns. What are your experiences? If you have a solution, please share. Thanks!
Agressive memory management and Sh*twiz cached in RAM causing this. Some custom kernels are better than stock, but no fix as of now.
8GB ram is a must for TouchWiz
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the workload of the ram is not the problem!
I'm running a very stripped down TW rom and I never reach a full ram. I am around 80%. The Problem is that the system is killing processes to early, even if the ram is far away from being full. That would happen with any amount of ram.
Yes Samsung should fix this or should have already fixed that issue.
Yeah it f*cking sucks. It's rendering my g watch unusable since it's aways killing the wear app
they didn't do nothing to optimize its almost the only software to eat all the ram.. it was always like this, and now in the s6 it reloads apps.... normal..i had an s3, s4 and now s6, you can have 3 apps in background nothing more....
XxM4tzexX said:
Again:
the workload of the ram is not the problem!
I'm running a very stripped down TW rom and I never reach a full ram. I am around 80%. The Problem is that the system is killing processes to early, even if the ram is far away from being full. That would happen with any amount of ram.
Yes Samsung should fix this or should have already fixed that issue.
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yes, this ram freeing by killing apps is somehow intentional
According to the samsungmobileuk twitter person there is no issue!
I even sent them video demonstrations. The s6 cannot multi task as well as a 3 year old nexus 4 with less memory.
In my s6 applications running in the background, and it does not kill them
but my Ram is 75% all the time..
There is no reason for RAM to stay empty. It's very normal for an OS whether it be Windows or iOS or Android to use up all available RAM, that's the way it should be.
S6's problem is not that RAM is almost full all the time, which is normal, but that background applications get autoclosed after a short time, which is a kernel setting. My guess is that Samsung does it to save battery rather than RAM, since background apps eat up a lot of battery.
aydc said:
There is no reason for RAM to stay empty. It's very normal for an OS whether it be Windows or iOS or Android to use up all available RAM, that's the way it should be.
S6's problem is not that RAM is almost full all the time, which is normal, but that background applications get autoclosed after a short time, which is a kernel setting. My guess is that Samsung does it to save battery rather than RAM, since background apps eat up a lot of battery.
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Spot on well said. Have a thanks
samsung will be always like that, i remember in s3 the same problem just worst because of lag, then s4 still laggy with touchwiz, s5 better touchwiz and still laggy, then our s6 with 3 gb of ram cant hold 4 apps in ram compared to other phone that doesnt have the crappy, useless, laggy, and ugly SH*TWIZ. Samsung always be like that and they will never fix lag and ram problems never. even S6 Edge + with 4gb of ram Still the same crap with touchwiz.
i hope cm arrives to our s6, if not we will be screwed in the new android update 6.0 marshmellow.
I think more to the point, WHO gets to use the memory is what matters. In Sense, the streamlined system processes takes very little of the available ram, and the apps get to fill the rest. In Touchwiz, it's the other way round - system sucks up most of the ram. I think the key to allow more apps in the background is in reducing the amount of ram system is using on top of less aggressive app killing.
For "Used RAM is not wasted RAM" guys...
System RAM is WASTED RAM in the sense that there are less RAM available for multitasking. Period.
I already commented on this topic on reddit. Here's the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3i8hgs/slug/cue76g4
Also don't forget to read my reply to one of the comments where I explain why Samsung decided to have this aggressive memory management.
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For "Used RAM is not wasted RAM" guys...
System RAM is WASTED RAM in the sense that there are less RAM available for multitasking. Period.
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This would be true, *IF* things were being killed because the system is out of memory; however, that is not what is happening here... even with memory to spare, things are getting dumped.
rkhighlight said:
I already commented on this topic on reddit. Here's the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3i8hgs/slug/cue76g4
Also don't forget to read my reply to one of the comments where I explain why Samsung decided to have this aggressive memory management.
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Yes I am fully aware what he issue can be resolved by a ROOTED user in minutes but out of reach for most - I did it myself on the 5.0.2 ROM. But even though samsung promised to fix the ram issue in 5.1.1 update, fact is, people still can't open apps and leave them in the background. I hope they will release a "fix" and make the value what they should be.
Thread closed as there is a thread already dedicated do this issue >>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/galaxy-s6-ram-issues-intentional-t3172296
Hey guys,
in case you are not happy with the default One UI apps background management, you can check this solution. In a nutshell, there is a Memory Guardian module part of Good Guardians, that allows the user to switch from default to the so called "quick switching mode" that somehow reduces the aggressive background app killing, i.e. app refresh.
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I have tested this with following apps:
- Spotify
- Mixcloud
- Instagram
- Snapchat
- Tiktok
- Youtube
Some other users tested this with Waze and other apps and it seems that it works.
What is the idea? Well imagine you are browsing through insta and you find a nice post that you d like to check, but then something else pops up and you switch to another app. Then after you are back to your app (in this case insta) One UI would "refresh" the app, meaning that it will reload it, and you will lose your "last state", i.e. imagine refreshing the app or close/opening it.
Download Samsung Good Guardians from the Store ► https://bit.ly/3yGFUms
Download Samsung Good Guardians for a manual install ► https://bit.ly/3yOehYD
It is also supposed to work with some of the heavy games, test it and let me know if you apps refresh is a bit better (i.e. not refreshed so much) or ... no difference at all.
I have tested this on my S22U with 12G of RAM but I guess it should have a better impact for 8 GB and lower RAM configs.
Appreciate the find!
I have 8gb version and apps are staying open much better now
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Appreciate the find!
I have 8gb version and apps are staying open much better now
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Nice to hear that! Can you let us know which apps did you test? Also - how much of VRAM (Virtual RAM) do you use?
I makes a bit of difference on my 12GB version so I assumed that it would be even better/bigger impact on 8GB and less.
Strangely enough this function is not very popular, was almost not able to find much info around. The whole Good Guardians tools are widely underestimated and they pack a few good tricks.
Thermal Guardian for example can let you adjust the thermal threshold of your phone, so it can potentially tolerate a bit more heat where battery life is exchanged for better peak performance and hopefully also sustained.
velqn said:
Hey guys,
in case you are not happy with the default One UI apps background management, you can check this solution. In a nutshell, there is a Memory Guardian module part of Good Guardians, that allows the user to switch from default to the so called "quick switching mode" that somehow reduces the aggressive background app killing, i.e. app refresh.
Moderator Edit: YouTube link removed due to violation of XDA external links policy.
I have tested this with following apps:
- Spotify
- Mixcloud
- Instagram
- Snapchat
- Tiktok
- Youtube
Some other users tested this with Waze and other apps and it seems that it works.
What is the idea? Well imagine you are browsing through insta and you find a nice post that you d like to check, but then something else pops up and you switch to another app. Then after you are back to your app (in this case insta) One UI would "refresh" the app, meaning that it will reload it, and you will lose your "last state", i.e. imagine refreshing the app or close/opening it.
Download Samsung Good Guardians from the Store ► https://bit.ly/3yGFUms
Download Samsung Good Guardians for a manual install ► https://bit.ly/3yOehYD
It is also supposed to work with some of the heavy games, test it and let me know if you apps refresh is a bit better (i.e. not refreshed so much) or ... no difference at all.
I have tested this on my S22U with 12G of RAM but I guess it should have a better impact for 8 GB and lower RAM configs.
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il try this thanks, HTRACK is always closing after 5 or more apps overtake it in the que
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Nice to hear that! Can you let us know which apps did you test? Also - how much of VRAM (Virtual RAM) do you use?
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So...I just sort of excluded all apps for the most part to test. They stay in ram longer but still hit a point where they refresh. Using 8gb vram but haven't seen ram usage above 6gb or so yet
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il try this thanks, HTRACK is always closing after 5 or more apps overtake it in the que
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Can HTRACK be further tweaked, perhaps from dev options? I remember seeing something for background processes, like a limitation factor setting.
billmurray1004 said:
So...I just sort of excluded all apps for the most part to test. They stay in ram longer but still hit a point where they refresh. Using 8gb vram but haven't seen ram usage above 6gb or so yet
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Yep, it`s not a silver bullet, but still some positive impact.
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Can HTRACK be further tweaked, perhaps from dev options? I remember seeing something for background processes, like a limitation factor setting.
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Yeah there is but only upto 4 processes I sometimes have many any more apps open at once, anyway I'm trying it now and here are some screens if you wanna attach to op and il delete from this post once you add them
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update, i must say this app so far has seemed to keep my HTTrack running great in the background, it ha certainly made a difference, i did have it set "unrestricted" in the app settings/battery setting before and that didnt help, this app now works even with the app power settings set to "optimised"
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