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Which Media Player supports loseless Audio

Hey guys!!
Just back my O2 Atom Exec and updated it to WM6. I have an extensive collection of loseless audio and i was curious as to which media player supports it. They are in a couple of format, with most of them being in .wv and .ape and the rest in .flac.
I have installed Coreplayer and Pocket Player 3.2 and tried .wv and .flac files.
Coreplayer plays .flac fine but the library kind of sucks and it ain't easy to browse through your collection of music. However, it wont detect the .wv file.
Pocket Player on the other hand simply wont work with either despite claiming on the website that it does. I have tried opening the .flac audio manually but the name of the song (time after time) becomes illegible (like with my chinese song) and when i try to play it, it doesnt work. It says the filetype is .mp3 but that is not true, it is actually .flac....what the?? Also tried to manually open .wv but doesn't work either
So i am confused as to which program actually does work with all the lossless format? Could someone enlgihten.
Btw i did find this link http://www.losslessaudioblog.com/2006/12/16/mobile-lossless-players/
that had all the supported player that claims to support loseless format.
Also, could someone explain why i cant read chinese/japanese filenames? Any fixs so i can see it properly on pocketplayer/coreplayer?

Common guys, as if no one prefers loseless over mp3..

Sorry mate, I used to play flac using TCPMP( free version of coreplayer) was impressed with the sound but not the size of the files. sticking to AACplus now, good luck

haha are you joking get a bigger memory card or one of those special mp3 player
the quality is just so much better

davidw89 said:
haha are you joking get a bigger memory card or one of those special mp3 player
the quality is just so much better
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Music file size ratio is generally a personal preference and you dont just go 'haha' on others preferences. If bigger memory card is not your problem, I'd guess you can always play the high quality lossless WAV on your WMPlayer
Anyway, not much help from me here, read on if you wish.
Anyway, as for lossless or not audio file format, I really wonder how much difference does it make. I personally can't really tell the difference as I'm using relatively low quality earphones and stuff, and consider I listen it when I'm on the move, where you get street noises and such (despite the noise isolation property of the earphones). So, it would be interesting if you were to do a blind test yourself on a relatively real environment. That, is to get a list of songs, say 10-20 songs, all both in the flac, and mp3 formats. Get a friend of you to play you these songs at random (using Coreplayer, which support both format), then you make a guess on which format the song is playing. Get a good number of samples and see if you score above 75%. If you score around 40-60%, chances are, you are thinking (mentally biased) that the sound is actually better than it is (e.g. due to the distortion of the A2D converter, crack in the shielding screen on your headphone, street noises, etc.). If you were to score 25% or lower, that's interestingly MP3 is better (much unlikely).
If you really do this, let me know the results Much eager to know it.

Problem for me is, I am the type who like to have just one device to rule "do" them all, that's why my lowly wizard does it all, my video player, music player, pda and telephone. I only got 2Gb but I got heaps of songs on it plus some movies.
AAc plus is good mate better than MP3 IMHO, I heard flac but the size is just not worth it.. and I don't clean my ears that often ;-) so why bother..

Is there any good movie player apps for it that will play mkv files?

I think someone told me of one that you have to pay for a few weeks ago, but wondering if there is some free apps now. For the pc there is a bunch like VLC, Gom and KM player that play every video format. It would be nice to be able to take advantage of the hdmi output.

jeffrimerman said:
I think someone told me of one that you have to pay for a few weeks ago, but wondering if there is some free apps now. For the pc there is a bunch like VLC, Gom and KM player that play every video format. It would be nice to be able to take advantage of the hdmi output.
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That I know of there isn't an app out yet that plays mkv's

Just convert them. GOTsent works great and quick.

mkv player
There is VLC Player for Android and it plays mkv files

WookieSurfer7972 said:
There is VLC Player for Android and it plays mkv files
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No Way!!! I'm going to do a search and see if I can find it. It must be on the VLC website I imagine.

WookieSurfer7972 said:
There is VLC Player for Android and it plays mkv files
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I didn't see it on the vlc website. Do you know where to find it? I did a search, but nothing came up. It did mention the ability to play files from your computer remotely, but that is streaming so it wouldn't be HD or great quality I imagine.

jeffrimerman said:
No Way!!! I'm going to do a search and see if I can find it. It must be on the VLC website I imagine.
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I've never been able to find this mystical VLC player for Android when I've looked.. Only VLC remotes. If you find it let me know.

RimkaIzumo said:
I've never been able to find this mystical VLC player for Android when I've looked.. Only VLC remotes. If you find it let me know.
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Same... there was one talked about for WM also, but never seen. Please share.

VLC hasn't been ported for Android yet.
That said, the guys that are releasing a PSX emulator and working on an Android N64 emulator, are supposedly going to working on porting VLC in their spare time. http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/04/playstation-emulator-coming-to-android-courtesy-of-yongzh-and-z/

Look for yxplayer on market... plays mkvs.

frifox said:
Look for yxplayer on market... plays mkvs.
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I just installed yxplayer and it won't play a 1.4gb mkv file well at all. It is just a picture every few screens. Maybe the phone can't handle the file size, but my friend has an mkv player he got from china and it is bad a$$. It plays all file types and has mini hdmi out and I doubt it has a processor and ram as much as the evo. It's been out a lil while I'm sure. It has it's own screen but will output to an hd tv and looks just like you were playing a blue ray.

Probably thats the case... my mkvs were 640x480 anime shows. Havent tried anything hi-def...
On a side note, yxplayer is available as a trial only (2 min play time limit, tho some vids played for more and some reqlly did cut off after 2min), and if you wanna buy/pirate it - you won't be able to. The app for some dumb reason uses phone's imei for registration, which is gsm-only =O

frifox said:
Probably thats the case... my mkvs were 640x480 anime shows. Havent tried anything hi-def...
On a side note, yxplayer is available as a trial only (2 min play time limit, tho some vids played for more and some reqlly did cut off after 2min), and if you wanna buy/pirate it - you won't be able to. The app for some dumb reason uses phone's imei for registration, which is gsm-only =O
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Ok, so I'll wait for vlc, or another player to come out. Although I really won't need to play many movies on my phone. I will use my laptop if anything.

Dont forget about CorePlayer... they're working on a version for android as well. CorePlayer for winmo played mkv and nearly everything else I threw at it (performance on the other hand was a totally different subject, lol)

Any idea of a release date for Coreplayer? I've been converting my files for the longest time now but sometimes I don't get a chance to in the case of downloading a football match.

Its been in development for year(s) now, waiting for better NDK on android... Froyo seems to be exactly what they were missing so we should be seeing the app in few months, i hope...

Question about video playback on WP7. any vlc like programs ?

hi
title say its all. is there any sort of program to play all kind of video files on the phone ? if i ever to buy any phone, i need to check this as its very important to me.
so ... any idea?

there's a app called vlc player at marketplace. and its not free...

fulat said:
there's a app called vlc player at marketplace. and its not free...
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This only allows you to control VLC on your PC, won't allow you to play anything on the phone.
Zune will convert 99% of the media it can't natively play and it will do it pretty quickly and with very good quality. At some point in the future we will most likely be able to copy/past files onto the device and use 3rd party video software.

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
hi
title say its all. is there any sort of program to play all kind of video files on the phone ? if i ever to buy any phone, i need to check this as its very important to me.
so ... any idea?
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every video I have on my computer has played on my hd7. These are mainly .avi files (downloaded tv shows and movies from graboid).

nrfitchett4 said:
every video I have on my computer has played on my hd7. These are mainly .avi files (downloaded tv shows and movies from graboid).
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\what about youtube files . flv files ?

youTube files .flv files, I suppose can't, as I usually download the YouTube videos with iFunia YouTube Converter and then it convert the flv files automaticly for me.
There are 2 players that normally can play many file type.
VLC player and Gomplayer, VLC is free~
here you can get: download.cnet.com/VLC-Media-Player/3000-13632_4-10267151.html

No dice as of now. Not possible without usb mass storage support, how else would you copy&paste the files over? The Zune software will only sync files it supports.
I'd say convert your .flv files to a common video format that every device can use, like .avi or .mp4 to name a few. I do it for my music videos downloaded from youtube. Those file formats should copy over easily. If not, zune will convert them effortlessly.
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thank you all for the reply. but the hell if i am going to back to converting movies before playing them. gone those days when i wanted to put movies on my nokia phone because it couldnt play **** but mp4 or 3gp.
i think i will hold on for a while. plus the fact i cant purchase paid apps because i dont live in the US is a deal breaker too.
i guess i should wait for while. bummer, i really liked the browser and the interface a little of the device.

so .. any updates since then or still nothing yet ?

Nope I wish there was though. I travel a lot and take that time to watch movies and tv shows on my phone. I still have to carry around my TP2 while I travel now to enjoy my media. I completely agree that the days of conversion should be over now. I used to laugh at other devices that couldn't play xvid natively and now I'm in that boat .
I really hope this feature emerges either natively or through a 3rd party eventually.

this is why 3 people I know of traded back to android again. they thought they could just ftp over a movie fike (like on ios) and play it on the phone.
one of them actually said "so my phone.... can't. share a file..... with other PHONES?"
then the other guys shook their heads and continued moving music around between themslves. no computers, no chords, and no transcoding.
the one guy bought a galaxy tab along with a thunderbolt, and tried to craigslist his samsung.
all because there is no fole support. wow.

Semi-convenient workaround
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
so .. any updates since then or still nothing yet ?
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After reading your post I decided to tinker a bit and found a semi-convenient workaround.
I tested downloading video releases for the iTouch and found that if I transfer them using the USB Device Enabler into the Storage\Video folder on my device choosing 'Don't convert just copy' when you transfer the video, then it shows up and plays back fine on the phone.
Obviously it would be ideal if i could playback any codec but for now this will do.

Whats the point of Google Music?

If Google Music just saves and caches all of your online songs to your storage on your phone, what's the point? I can just use less battery with poweramp.

It's a good music player with the convenient option to stream music. If you don't like it, uncheck the box for streaming in the settings. Not a big deal.

the_v1s1onary said:
It's a good music player with the convenient option to stream music. If you don't like it, uncheck the box for streaming in the settings. Not a big deal.
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But what's streaming about it? All of your songs get downloaded to data/app

nklenchik said:
But what's streaming about it? All of your songs get downloaded to data/app
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Of course it gets saved, it has to save it somewhere. If you don't want the files on your phone then just turn off caching in Google Music settings. All streaming services do the same thing, on your phone, PC, or anything else: a "streamed" file must be saved somewhere, either in RAM or on disk, in order to be used.
Now to answer your initial question, Google Music is a useful service because it allows me to access my entire 200+GB music library on the go without physically having 200GB of music on my phone.

I was excited to hear that I could upload all my music to the google. I only have 20 GB so it was nice at first. Then it got too inconvenient so I uninstalled from my phone.
For a while it was my only music player, but it doesn't have the option of setting a song as a ringer, so I had to reinstall the stock music app.
Problem 1 -
A) The music information takes close 5 minutes to show up on my phone, every time.
B) Then, if I select 'play album,' the first track repeats continuously until I manually skip to the next.
C) There is no alphabet shortcut to the right, so if I want to listen to Seal, I have to scroll for a looong time. Did I mention I only use this while driving!!
Problem 2 - Then I learned that Google converts all sample rates to the standard 128kbit/s. Sorry, most of my music is sampled a lot higher than that so I can't even use it as a backup of my music.
Problem 3 - I have found mp3s that are corrupt so I will need to rip them again. But, once I upload then delete from the google cloud, the music manager won't decide to upload that album again. Not even if I delete the old, rip the cd again, then copy into the music directory. WTF
I understand this isn't dynamic syncing like dropbox, it's just dumb storage but come on, a little more effort could be made to deal with these small things.

In the end with the data caps carriers are imposing cloud based services really don't make a lot of sense. Then add in the fact that a dropped connection can corrupt the file and SDcards start looking a whole lot better

Nuenjin said:
I was excited to hear that I could upload all my music to the google. I only have 20 GB so it was nice at first. Then it got too inconvenient so I uninstalled from my phone.
For a while it was my only music player, but it doesn't have the option of setting a song as a ringer, so I had to reinstall the stock music app.
Problem 1 -
A) The music information takes close 5 minutes to show up on my phone, every time.
B) Then, if I select 'play album,' the first track repeats continuously until I manually skip to the next.
C) There is no alphabet shortcut to the right, so if I want to listen to Seal, I have to scroll for a looong time. Did I mention I only use this while driving!!
Problem 2 - Then I learned that Google converts all sample rates to the standard 128kbit/s. Sorry, most of my music is sampled a lot higher than that so I can't even use it as a backup of my music.
Problem 3 - I have found mp3s that are corrupt so I will need to rip them again. But, once I upload then delete from the google cloud, the music manager won't decide to upload that album again. Not even if I delete the old, rip the cd again, then copy into the music directory. WTF
I understand this isn't dynamic syncing like dropbox, it's just dumb storage but come on, a little more effort could be made to deal with these small things.
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Definite +1.
I'm not in a 4G area right now and my songs always skip every minute to buffer (since I unchecked cache to sd)
The UI isn't all that great to be honest...going back to PowerAMP.
And regarding the 128kbps, I can't deal with that. Every time I download a song I convert it to 224

nklenchik said:
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And regarding the 128kbps, I can't deal with that. Every time I download a song I convert it to 224
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Convert it from what? You can't add back information that has already been lost so all you'd be doing is another lossy re-encode, making it even worse.
Anyway, 128kbps would be a deal breaker for me as all my rips are 320kbps from source. Streaming can only make matters worse too.

Is it the same as ics music player?
NookColor Cyanogenmod 7.1 "Overclocked"

DirkGently said:
Convert it from what? You can't add back information that has already been lost so all you'd be doing is another lossy re-encode, making it even worse.
Anyway, 128kbps would be a deal breaker for me as all my rips are 320kbps from source. Streaming can only make matters worse too.
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From 320/256. Trust me I'm a communications major haha

nklenchik said:
From 320/256. Trust me I'm a communications major haha
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So you're sacrificing fidelity to, what..? Gain back a little storage space? Personally i'd buy more storage space!

DirkGently said:
So you're sacrificing fidelity to, what..? Gain back a little storage space? Personally i'd buy more storage space!
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Ill download a song if it's at least 192kbps or more. If it's more I'll bring them down to 224 kbps. And I'm full on my gnex at 4,200 songs right now unfortunately I have to delete stfd I don't listen to anymore haha

[SOLVED: I couldnt before} I cant play WMA music files. Am I the only one?

Most of my music is MP3's, but one of nmy favourite albums is in WMA. I just noticed that my phone can't play back WMA audio files.
I have tried both from my music app (Vinyl) and also the built in player in my file manager (MiX).
I can play them via VLC, but from my understanding, that uses its own decoder, and does not rely on the ROM's decoders.
Is it just me? 0r is it a known failing of A11 on the pixel 4a, that it cant decode WMA audio?

Try PowerAmp - it's a very powerful and customizable music player that supports WMA (Windows Media Audio) files.

VLC as well.
Windows Media Audio - Wikipedia
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Lol, I don't have even one WMA file on my Android... it's a MS free zone

blackhawk said:
VLC as well.
Windows Media Audio - Wikipedia
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Lol, I don't have even one WMA file on my Android... it's a MS free zone
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In my OP i already stated that VLC can play WMA files. I do not use VLC as my default music player.
DiamondJohn said:
I can play them via VLC, but from my understanding, that uses its own decoder, and does not rely on the ROM's decoders.
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JohnC said:
Try PowerAmp - it's a very powerful and customizable music player that supports WMA (Windows Media Audio) files.
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Thanks, but I am not looking for a replacement of my music player. I am asking if this is the case for everyone. PS. I am still on the march build of A11.
No one who actually posted, confirmed what I was asking?

Meh, I use Poweramp mostly have .wav files.
Pretty sure my stock N10+ can not play WMA files.
This seems to confirm there's no native support:
What Is a WMA File (and How Do I Open One)?
A file with the .wma file extension is a Windows Media Audio (WMA) file. Microsoft created the format to avoid the licensing issues associated with the MP3 format.
www.google.com

DiamondJohn said:
No one who actually posted, confirmed what I was asking?
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Since you found one or more players that could not play WMA files, that should be a pretty clear indication that the device doesn't support WMA natively and that you will need a player that includes it's own WMA codec. So, you actually confirmed yourself that the A11 on the Pixel 4a does not have native support for WMA files.
And if someone replied that wma files play fine on their A11 Pixel 4a, it could simply mean that their player has it's own wma codec.
If you really want to know if A11 on a pixel 4a has a native wma codec, you can probably find a diagnostic app in the playstore that might list the codecs in a device.

blackhawk said:
VLC as well.
Windows Media Audio - Wikipedia
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Lol, I don't have even one WMA file on my Android... it's a MS free zone
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MS free, really...
blackhawk said:
Meh, I use Poweramp mostly have .wav files.
Pretty sure my stock N10+ can not play WMA files.
This seems to confirm there's no native support:
What Is a WMA File (and How Do I Open One)?
A file with the .wma file extension is a Windows Media Audio (WMA) file. Microsoft created the format to avoid the licensing issues associated with the MP3 format.
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ummm... I hope you don't have too many WAV files, as its a format created by Microsoft and IBM.
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JohnC said:
Since you found one or more players that could not play WMA files, that should be a pretty clear indication that the device doesn't support WMA natively and that you will need a player that includes it's own WMA codec. So, you actually confirmed yourself that the A11 on the Pixel 4a does not have native support for WMA files.
And if someone replied that wma files play fine on their A11 Pixel 4a, it could simply mean that their player has it's own wma codec.
If you really want to know if A11 on a pixel 4a has a native wma codec, you can probably find a diagnostic app in the playstore that might list the codecs in a device.
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It is pretty clear that it would not support WMA, but I was simply checking that it was not specific to my phone. I do have a lot of customisations.
My previous device was running Oreo, and it ... wait ...whaaat... I just checked my old old Oreo device, and it doesnt support WMA either. I never noticed that before.

It's probably because WMA is a Microsoft format and might require a license/royalty, just like why the Pixel doesn't support exFAT because that too is a Microsoft format.

DiamondJohn said:
MS free, really...
ummm... I hope you don't have too many WAV files, as its a format created by Microsoft and IBM.
WAV - Wikipedia
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The codec maybe not the content.
I have over 6000 .wav and HDCD files... it's too late

Just to put some context, I have over 3500 music audio files (+a thousand or so sound effects for alarms, notifications etc etc etc), of which, only 10 are WMA. This is why, even though I have had these files for probably over 10y, I haven't noticed. ie <0.33% I guess I have to dig that CD (mostly a single album) out of storage and re-rip.
Sorry for any wasted time due to MY confusion.

DiamondJohn said:
Just to put some context, I have over 3500 music audio files (+a thousand or so sound effects for alarms, notifications etc etc etc), of which, only 10 are WMA. This is why, even though I have had these files for probably over 10y, I haven't noticed. ie <0.33% I guess I have to dig that CD (mostly a single album) out of storage and re-rip.
Sorry for any wasted time due to MY confusion.
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Why don't you just convert the WMAs to mp3s? https://cloudconvert.com/wma-to-mp3

buffal0b1ll said:
Why don't you just convert the WMAs to mp3s? https://cloudconvert.com/wma-to-mp3
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That would likely downgrad the audio quality...

buffal0b1ll said:
Why don't you just convert the WMAs to mp3s? https://cloudconvert.com/wma-to-mp3
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blackhawk said:
That would likely downgrade the audio quality...
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As I said, I only had about 10 out of over 3500 music files. Nearly all were from a single album, that I Ripped from CD back on Win2K before MP3's were natively (or its been so long since I installed the extension) supported by Windows, and I wasn't a Napster user, so wasn't heavily invested in MP3's, at the time. And my portable MP3 player (a Creative Labs product, not directly MS) actually could decode WMA's.
Anyway, I pulled the album out of storage (it was much easier to find than I expected), and re-ripped it, so all is good. Actually went down the road of Flac, it is one of my fav albums.

DiamondJohn said:
As I said, I only had about 10 out of over 3500 music files. Nearly all were from a single album, that I Ripped from CD back on Win2K before MP3's were natively (or its been so long since I installed the extension) supported by Windows, and I wasn't a Napster user, so wasn't heavily invested in MP3's, at the time. And my portable MP3 player (a Creative Labs product, not directly MS) actually could decode WMA's.
Anyway, I pulled the album out of storage (it was much easier to find than I expected), and re-ripped it, so all is good. Actually went down the road of Flac, it is one of my fav albums.
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If it's a HDCD you must rip it as a wav file or you will lose the HDCD subtext ie degrade it.

blackhawk said:
If it's a HDCD you must rip it as a wav file or you will lose the HDCD subtext ie degrade it.
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This happens to be a CD back from the year 2000. (No HDCD logo on cover) All I care about is the actual audio, and the Album, artist, song title metadata. My ears are over 50 years old, and although I do like my sub-woofer and hi's boosted, I am mostly listening in my car, with traffic and car noise, I dont think the HDCD encoding would be of much benefit. I only ripped to flac (lossless), as it was a single album and I only selected 7 songs, and it was handy for me to do at that moment in time. I wont be doing the same for the other 3000+ songs, or any new ones in the future. Flac was overkill to begin with and HDCD is just getting ludicrous for me personally.

DiamondJohn said:
This happens to be a CD back from the year 2000. (No HDCD logo on cover) All I care about is the actual audio, and the Album, artist, song title metadata. My ears are over 50 years old, and although I do like my sub-woofer and hi's boosted, I am mostly listening in my car, with traffic and car noise, I dont think the HDCD encoding would be of much benefit. I only ripped to flac (lossless), as it was a single album and I only selected 7 songs, and it was handy for me to do at that moment in time. I wont be doing the same for the other 3000+ songs, or any new ones in the future. Flac was overkill to begin with and HDCD is just getting ludicrous for me personally.
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The subtext creates the broader sound stage which you can hear when using a stereo (or more) image in an open listening area.
An inaudible 20 khz audio wave collides with a inaudible 18 khz audio wave to produce a 2 khz wave that you can hear and so on. Thousands of interactions per second.
Many HDCDs are not label as such.
You need a 24 bit digital signal path to a 24 bit or higher DAC to glean about 90-92% of the HDCD subtext. A HDCD decoder gleams 100% of it.
HDCDs are around a 22 bit image vs a CDs 16 bit.