If Google Music just saves and caches all of your online songs to your storage on your phone, what's the point? I can just use less battery with poweramp.
It's a good music player with the convenient option to stream music. If you don't like it, uncheck the box for streaming in the settings. Not a big deal.
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It's a good music player with the convenient option to stream music. If you don't like it, uncheck the box for streaming in the settings. Not a big deal.
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But what's streaming about it? All of your songs get downloaded to data/app
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But what's streaming about it? All of your songs get downloaded to data/app
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Of course it gets saved, it has to save it somewhere. If you don't want the files on your phone then just turn off caching in Google Music settings. All streaming services do the same thing, on your phone, PC, or anything else: a "streamed" file must be saved somewhere, either in RAM or on disk, in order to be used.
Now to answer your initial question, Google Music is a useful service because it allows me to access my entire 200+GB music library on the go without physically having 200GB of music on my phone.
I was excited to hear that I could upload all my music to the google. I only have 20 GB so it was nice at first. Then it got too inconvenient so I uninstalled from my phone.
For a while it was my only music player, but it doesn't have the option of setting a song as a ringer, so I had to reinstall the stock music app.
Problem 1 -
A) The music information takes close 5 minutes to show up on my phone, every time.
B) Then, if I select 'play album,' the first track repeats continuously until I manually skip to the next.
C) There is no alphabet shortcut to the right, so if I want to listen to Seal, I have to scroll for a looong time. Did I mention I only use this while driving!!
Problem 2 - Then I learned that Google converts all sample rates to the standard 128kbit/s. Sorry, most of my music is sampled a lot higher than that so I can't even use it as a backup of my music.
Problem 3 - I have found mp3s that are corrupt so I will need to rip them again. But, once I upload then delete from the google cloud, the music manager won't decide to upload that album again. Not even if I delete the old, rip the cd again, then copy into the music directory. WTF
I understand this isn't dynamic syncing like dropbox, it's just dumb storage but come on, a little more effort could be made to deal with these small things.
In the end with the data caps carriers are imposing cloud based services really don't make a lot of sense. Then add in the fact that a dropped connection can corrupt the file and SDcards start looking a whole lot better
Nuenjin said:
I was excited to hear that I could upload all my music to the google. I only have 20 GB so it was nice at first. Then it got too inconvenient so I uninstalled from my phone.
For a while it was my only music player, but it doesn't have the option of setting a song as a ringer, so I had to reinstall the stock music app.
Problem 1 -
A) The music information takes close 5 minutes to show up on my phone, every time.
B) Then, if I select 'play album,' the first track repeats continuously until I manually skip to the next.
C) There is no alphabet shortcut to the right, so if I want to listen to Seal, I have to scroll for a looong time. Did I mention I only use this while driving!!
Problem 2 - Then I learned that Google converts all sample rates to the standard 128kbit/s. Sorry, most of my music is sampled a lot higher than that so I can't even use it as a backup of my music.
Problem 3 - I have found mp3s that are corrupt so I will need to rip them again. But, once I upload then delete from the google cloud, the music manager won't decide to upload that album again. Not even if I delete the old, rip the cd again, then copy into the music directory. WTF
I understand this isn't dynamic syncing like dropbox, it's just dumb storage but come on, a little more effort could be made to deal with these small things.
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Definite +1.
I'm not in a 4G area right now and my songs always skip every minute to buffer (since I unchecked cache to sd)
The UI isn't all that great to be honest...going back to PowerAMP.
And regarding the 128kbps, I can't deal with that. Every time I download a song I convert it to 224
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And regarding the 128kbps, I can't deal with that. Every time I download a song I convert it to 224
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Convert it from what? You can't add back information that has already been lost so all you'd be doing is another lossy re-encode, making it even worse.
Anyway, 128kbps would be a deal breaker for me as all my rips are 320kbps from source. Streaming can only make matters worse too.
Is it the same as ics music player?
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Convert it from what? You can't add back information that has already been lost so all you'd be doing is another lossy re-encode, making it even worse.
Anyway, 128kbps would be a deal breaker for me as all my rips are 320kbps from source. Streaming can only make matters worse too.
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From 320/256. Trust me I'm a communications major haha
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From 320/256. Trust me I'm a communications major haha
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So you're sacrificing fidelity to, what..? Gain back a little storage space? Personally i'd buy more storage space!
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So you're sacrificing fidelity to, what..? Gain back a little storage space? Personally i'd buy more storage space!
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Ill download a song if it's at least 192kbps or more. If it's more I'll bring them down to 224 kbps. And I'm full on my gnex at 4,200 songs right now unfortunately I have to delete stfd I don't listen to anymore haha
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I think this is the one area Apple beats Android, you connect your iPhone it syncs no hassle, On android its all a bit of a nightmare.
I've tried Double Twist but the damn thing is painfully slow to sync, can't edit duplicates and whatever else, it looks good but thats about it.
Winamp looked good on the surface, I made my playlist went to sync it took forever, then when I added more songs to a particular playlist and went to sync again rather than adding to the original playlist on the phone it created another playlist, so you actually have 2 playlist of the same playlist old and new.
So basically I need a way to sync and a player on the phone. I appreciate you can just dump all your tracks on the music folder but its impossible to organise 1000+ MP3's this way, so they would need organised prior to going onto the phone.
Any advice?
Nothing easier than put the mp3's in the media folder. Why do you think, syncing with ITunes is easier. I hate that software.
I'm organising my mp3 with mp3tag!
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Nothing easier than put the mp3's in the media folder. Why do you think, syncing with ITunes is easier. I hate that software.
I'm organising my mp3 with mp3tag!
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Lol same here, mp3tag owns.
Winamp works fine for me; no duplicate playlists. Maybe give that another shot? I love winamp on the PC though, so my perception may be skewed a bit by fanboyism. You could try the Google Music Beta as well. I thought I wouldn't like it, but having my entire 200 GB music library streamable is pretty handy. Personally, I prefer to manually sort and tag my tracks on my PC.
Combo Winamp + mp3tag.
But i do'nt sync with winamp, putting mp3 on the folders is much faster...
i've been using google's music beta service to stream music to me laptop/phone. works great. only issue is the new music app has no controls in the notification center or lockscreen.
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its impossible to organise 1000+ MP3's this way
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I don't understand. Your music app will automatically find your mp3's and categorize them for you. Just put your MP3's anywhere on your SD card and you're done.
Make music folder, drag and drop
I hated how ipods have to sync, like if I go to my friends house want want some songs then delete my songs then put all of his songs grrr iTunes...
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drag and drop to SD card. never used 3rd party... seems silly.
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Nothing easier than put the mp3's in the media folder. Why do you think, syncing with ITunes is easier. I hate that software.
I'm organising my mp3 with mp3tag!
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Unfortunately and I can't speak about mp3tag, but dragging and dropping at least doesn't compress the audio file to save space at no reduction of quality. Itunes does this, and Itunes really isn't all that hard to use either.
Audio from Apple devices are better quality most times, but multimedia is one of Apple's strong parts.(Although also a lot of times you won't notice a difference) The original music app for Android is okay for just music, HTC's is okay, Miui is pretty nice, and the new music app from Google is pretty nice too. The audio support for Android is getting better.
I originally used doubletwist but it kept doubling, trippling, and even quadrupled the number of times a song was in my library. Finally went to ISYNCR &isyncrwifi. Works great, fast.
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I originally used doubletwist but it kept doubling, trippling, and even quadrupled the number of times a song was in my library. Finally went to ISYNCR &isyncrwifi. Works great, fast.
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It did that to me as well and that's the problem with most of these syncing solutions, there is no common sense.
And as for putting all on 1 folder in the SD card, Now say I want song 3 from album A on a playlist followed by song 6 from Album E and so on there is no easy way of organizing this on the phone which is why I like it done on the PC, I have various genres of music, I don't want a hardcore trance song followed by country.
Google music doesn't work in the UK either
Great post and some really useful tips there. I love resource lists like this. Have social bookmarked it in the hope that others can also benefit.
thanks for the tips
I also do drag and drop, but yes apple is smoother in this area.
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It did that to me as well and that's the problem with most of these syncing solutions, there is no common sense.
And as for putting all on 1 folder in the SD card, Now say I want song 3 from album A on a playlist followed by song 6 from Album E and so on there is no easy way of organizing this on the phone which is why I like it done on the PC, I have various genres of music, I don't want a hardcore trance song followed by country.
Google music doesn't work in the UK either
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What you are describing here is what I do on "PowerAmp". I have folders (has option for folders or library), then if I want I use the built in "Que" to select songs from different folders. You can also edit tags in PowerAmp.
Wow. And here I thought I was the only one who uses mp3tag.
mp3tag , is a great
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drag and drop to SD card. never used 3rd party... seems silly.
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i use meridian only to play mp3 for a single directory
I'm afraid I already know the answer to this but is there a way to copy/save music from the Google Music Player app to either my SD card or my PC?
Your post is not very clear, but if you are on android, your cached music is stored in Android/data/com.google.android.music/music folder.
Also you can download the music files you uploaded from play.google.com go to my music , if you click the small triangle that appears when you hover over a song, there is a download song option there.
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Your post is not very clear, but if you are on android, your cached music is stored in Android/data/com.google.android.music/music folder.
Also you can download the music files you uploaded from play.google.com go to my music , if you click the small triangle that appears when you hover over a song, there is a download song option there.
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I suppose I was rather vague, wasn't I? You, however seemed to get exactly what I meant. I'm trying to save the files to my pc in order to be able to burn CDs for my father-in-law who will never...and I mean NEVER own a device capable of downloading and playing music. lol He's a huge Rolling Stones fan and I DL'd an album for a QUARTER tonight and am trying to make him a copy. I've found the option that you've mentioned and it apprears to be copying the file(s) (although reeeeaaallll sssslllooowwww). Thanks for the info!
What is the best to store music. I have double twist, but it is a pain to sync my checked songs in Itunes. I am coming from a iphone, had one since 08. I also uploaded most of my music I listen to to Google Music. Is that the easiest? I am afraid with double twist it will sync all of my music. Also will stock music app play songs that I have on Google Music?
Thank
I have DoubleTwist, but I only use it for AirPlay, not for syncing, so I can't speak on that part.
The Play Music (Google Music) player is the only player that will stream your Google Music from the cloud. However, within Play Music, you can download songs to your device. At that point you need a third-party app to convert the downloaded Google Music songs to regular mp3's for use with other apps like the stock app or DoubleTwist.
Sorry, I can't recall what any of these third-party apps are called, but if you google around, you should be able to find them.
If you want to keep music on your phone (which is of course handy for when you don't have a data connection), I use Syncr, which seems to have an easier interface, and less buggy than DoubleTwist. I just dump the music I want into playlists, and sync the playlists to my phone using Syncr.
Haven't used Doubletwist in a while. But when I did, it seemed that more times than not, it would try to synch all my music to my phone, regardless of the fact that I indicated to only sync certain playlists. Since I have something like 40+ GB of music, it lock up my computer, and fail to sync successfully anyway (since there is obviously not enough storage on the phone). Then I would have to start over synching, and on subsequent attempts, it would finally do what I wanted.
I find the solution I use to be quite useful and actually pretty awesome.
I've uploaded my entire music collection to Google Music. Yeah, it takes a while, but just leave your computer on for a couple of nights and it will finish.
Next, I made sure everything was well-organized. I only keep complete albums (like buying a CD), so sometimes there will be a song or two that need to be manually grouped into the album. Do this!
And finally, go into the Google Music app for your phone, select a few albums, and make them 'Available Offline'. It takes a minute or so to get an entire album transferred onto the device. Make sure you do this while on WiFi.
Since my phone can't hold all of my music, I select about 10 albums or so- more than I can realistically listen to while I'm out, and swap in/out albums when I get new ones or want to listen to something else.
It's also pretty useful if you stumble into anywhere with WiFi and want to listen to your entire music collection- something a lot of us cannot do even with 32GB phone storage. You can also make some more music 'Available Offline' when you find WiFi out in the wild.
This has worked wonders for me so far.
So does Google music not let others tie into their service? Big disappointment IMO, I am coming from windows phone and iPhone that have these app silos. Android has a file system and I thought this could be avoided.
I want to use the new HTC Music Hub and at first thought that it was going to tie-in from Google music and bring down all of my music as well as tie-in with local music I have on the phone. Which I am realizing is not the case. All the HTC Music Hub is going to do it let me launch Google music... Disappointing
New question though. Can Google Music two-way sync from the phone? Let's say I download an album from the internet onto my phone. If I put it in a certain folder will it sync? or is there an option in Google Music to upload music from the phone to Google Music?
And last but not least, can the Google Music player play music stored locally on the phone?
You can only add songs to Google Music from your computer, for now.
If you make music 'Available Offline', it becomes stored locally and you can listen to it without an internet connection.
You cannot use Google Music to listen to non-Goolge Music locally stored music.
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I find the solution I use to be quite useful and actually pretty awesome.
I've uploaded my entire music collection to Google Music. Yeah, it takes a while, but just leave your computer on for a couple of nights and it will finish.
Next, I made sure everything was well-organized. I only keep complete albums (like buying a CD), so sometimes there will be a song or two that need to be manually grouped into the album. Do this!
And finally, go into the Google Music app for your phone, select a few albums, and make them 'Available Offline'. It takes a minute or so to get an entire album transferred onto the device. Make sure you do this while on WiFi.
Since my phone can't hold all of my music, I select about 10 albums or so- more than I can realistically listen to while I'm out, and swap in/out albums when I get new ones or want to listen to something else.
It's also pretty useful if you stumble into anywhere with WiFi and want to listen to your entire music collection- something a lot of us cannot do even with 32GB phone storage. You can also make some more music 'Available Offline' when you find WiFi out in the wild.
This has worked wonders for me so far.
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This is exactly what I'm thinking of doing if I get the One X. Some questions...
Is is simple to swap in/out albums for offline listening? (When on wi-fi.)
So the music is stored locally when downloaded for offline listening? For the One X would that mean the 'phone storage'? (The 9.8 available for media.)
Any idea how long it would take over wi-fi if I hypothetically chose 6 GB of music to download for offline listening?
How well organized is your music once you use the Google Music app? Any bugs? (Songs missing, artist listed twice, anything else.)
Thanks in advance for your answers.
I'm sure for most of us this is our first device with non-removable storage. Welcome to iphone-ville territory (WHY HTC?). Anyway, for those of us who enjoy music on a regular basis and prefer not to store all of our music on the phone, what app do you use to cloud-sync? I've tried google music but it seems limited and the upload is very slow. So what is your preferred method to listen to music?
Pandora and Grooveshark!
those apps are good for random playlists. But im talking about your own personal music library. I like the htc music app, but its useless if I can't store my entire music library.
Google Music upload is slow? Are you kidding me? I mean, maybe the initial upload - but after that, it's super fast and auto adds songs you add to your music collection instantly. I love it.
I like and pay for Spotify.
It integrates my itunes collection including playlists and I can sync whatever I want for offline playback.
I pay for Spotify as well and Im coming from Zune marketplace, of which I loved! Spotify is just as good imo and I don't find that it sucks my battery dry within an hour either.
Google Music and Spotify.
Off topic slightly but since some of use google music where and how does it store music for off line listening? Does it store them as actual MP3 files or something else and how do remove them when no longer wanted? Thanks in advance
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E.Cadro said:
Off topic slightly but since some of use google music where and how does it store music for off line listening? Does it store them as actual MP3 files or something else and how do remove them when no longer wanted? Thanks in advance
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Not sure how it is stored, but basically you go to the Music app, then you hold down on an album, hit "Make availible offline" and it downloads is somewhere. Then after you want to delete it, hold down on it again, and uncheck "Make availible offline" Its really awesome, try it out if you haven't already.
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Google Music upload is slow? Are you kidding me? I mean, maybe the initial upload - but after that, it's super fast and auto adds songs you add to your music collection instantly. I love it.
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yeah thats what im referring to when I speak of uploading. Good to know it gets faster because that was my only issue with google music.
Audiogalaxy hands down. The best sound quality out there (IF YOU HAVE A GOOD QUALITY LIBRARY) You stream your own personal library from home. You can log in from any computer anywhere and have your playlists and library. it caches wonderfully. sounds better than pandora, slacker, tune in, iheart, lastfm all of them. All my music is either lossless or itunes aac highest quality and it sounds amazing. It uses your itunes playlist also. the best thing is its FREE! 5 of my friends are logged in to my library at all times.. its in the market.. Audiogalaxy
yeah I just downloaded audiogalaxy. It uploads alot faster than google music. Liking it alot so far
Check Amazon MP3 player.
Audio galaxy is OK if your fine with being the server ... instead of Google...
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amazon got my monies ages ago with prime, and then they released their mp3 service before google. I honestly don't like how google music adds random tracks based on your "likes" I have a zune and zune pass, when I wanna explore I do it there.
I download all my music from zune and then upload the mp3s to amazon and call it a day.
I keep a solid 2gb on my phone, the rest is easily streamed with my unlimited LTE plan, and if you root and install either rogers or asia rom (I have asia) you don't even have to worry about att throttling your data
I have ton of music so what music player do you reccomend ? Great apk highly recommended.
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I have ton of music so what music player do you reccomend ? Great apk highly recommended.
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Poweramp
Agreed Poweramp. I used to use Winamp until they closed the ability to update album art.
GoneMAD Music Player and Poweramp
Can't go wrong with either of those.
Poweramp, but note the volume output to headphones on this phone isn't very good.
Hello, here is my opinion about music player on Android:
poweramp and playerpro are 2 goods player, maybe the best ones!!!
By the way, can we skip tracks with UP and DOWN volume Buttons?
I'd usually recommend PowerAmp. However, the display of Album Art when embedded within mp3 files is broken on the S7 at the moment so you might want to hold off.
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I have ton of music so what music player do you reccomend ? Great apk highly recommended.
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I highly recommend Google Play Music. You can upload 50.000 own songs from your computer, and you always have your all songs without any subscription. It is working well, and uses EQ, album cover...etc.
The problem with Google play music is the silly 1000 song limit in playlists.
If using Poweramp make sure that you disable the "Direct Volume Control" feature as it's buggy on the Galaxy S7/S7 edge and makes the volume sound way too low.
Also I would recommend using USB Audio App Pro along with a USB DAC or a headset with a build in DAC rather than poweramp though, as far as sound quality goes the difference is night and day.
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The problem with Google play music is the silly 1000 song limit in playlists.
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Why for God's sake do you need a playlist more than 1000 song?
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Why for God's sake do you need a playlist more than 1000 song?
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How about 3800? There are only about 1200 unique tracks in the list, but some are in the list multiple times. What I do is to take songs I like more and put them in the list multiple times. Of course, I only play that playlist shuffled... The end result is that my favorite songs play more often.
I actually use (gasp) iTunes to organize my list, and rate any song (that will go into my primary playlist) between 2 and 5 stars. 2 star songs go into the playlist once. 3 star songs go into the list twice. 4 stars gets five entries and 5 star songs get eight entries.
The end result is VERY good (for me) and I've been using this system for many, many years.
Sadly, however, it means I can't use google play music for that playlist. With S7, I have a big 128GB sdcard card, and my entire music collection on the card. I then use Samsung's music player (which works very well) for playing that big list.
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How about 3800? There are only about 1200 unique tracks in the list, but some are in the list multiple times. What I do is to take songs I like more and put them in the list multiple times. Of course, I only play that playlist shuffled... The end result is that my favorite songs play more often.
I actually use (gasp) iTunes to organize my list, and rate any song (that will go into my primary playlist) between 2 and 5 stars. 2 star songs go into the playlist once. 3 star songs go into the list twice. 4 stars gets five entries and 5 star songs get eight entries.
The end result is VERY good (for me) and I've been using this system for many, many years.
Sadly, however, it means I can't use google play music for that playlist. With S7, I have a big 128GB sdcard card, and my entire music collection on the card. I then use Samsung's music player (which works very well) for playing that big list.
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Do you know that "thumb up" button on Play Music? Maybe it can help you.
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Do you know that "thumb up" button on Play Music? Maybe it can help you.
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Not with a playlist, it won't.
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Not with a playlist, it won't.
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Theoretically when you make thumbs-up opinion Google automates on some of the screens a preferred playlist.
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Theoretically when you make thumbs-up opinion Google automates on some of the screens a preferred playlist.
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With the mix of music I listen to, those automated playlists never work out. As well, they don't allow a "I like song A, but I like song B even more."
Why am I even arguing this? If a person can't see the limitations, then they probably don't apply to that person. They DO apply to me. Google play music's limitation of 1000 songs in a playlist is too restrictive for me (and for some others.)
No matter what player I use the audio quality is crappy. Compared with another phone it's just horrible
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grab the latest PowerAmp alpha:
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/max-mp/poweramp/poweramp-alpha-build-701-uni-release/
really great improvements to our mediocre DAC with some minor tweaks in the settings + custom volume steps!
Thanks, I'll try bu I doubt it will improve to an acceptable level. Still no excuse for such a good device to fail so badly at this.
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Actually the improvement is quite big, so thanks again. Might be some placebo efect there but something is definitely better
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