Resume: Use FAT32 when formatting External Micro SD Card and, preferentially, format using the device storage options.
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Hi there, guys! After trying hard to discover why and solve some random reboots I found out, after reading about SD Cards causing issues on other devices, something that may help anyone facing this.
When I bought for my Note 3 I also bought a Kingston 32 GB Micro SD Card and formatted it using Windows 7 to exFAT System File, since it was the default option. After facing some hangs, force closes and random reboots for some days, yesterday I decided to make a complete backup and format it using Note 3 itself.
After this what I noticed, when restoring files on Windows, is that the device formatted it to FAT32 System File. And, since then, everything is working nice, without force closes, random reboots or hangs. I know maybe it's early to confirm anything, but I'm confident that running my SD Card on exFAT was giving me trouble!
By the way, I decided to create a poll asking which System File we, Galaxy Note 3 owners, use. We may create a balance and find out if any format is creating any trouble in general.
Cheers!
When you're recording 4K video, maybe you will need NTFS format for files over 4gb..
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MILJANN said:
When you're recording 4K video, maybe you will need NTFS format for files over 4gb..
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But there is a limit of 5 minutes, if I'm not wrong. Maybe it is because of the file size limitation, for people using FAT32, since it's the default File System the device chooses when formatting Micro SD.
By the way, I didn't record anything in 4K yet, so I don't know which is the maximum file size we can get. Will test here...
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When you're recording 4K video, maybe you will need NTFS format for files over 4gb..
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exFAT supports up to 16EB files in size. That's Exabyte.
You could record a whole month non-stop in 4K and not exceed the filesize limit.
Not all android devices support NTFS by default.
I use Fat32 on my MicroSD, which is rather annoying as I want to have blurays on it, but I can't bebothered to reformat all 64GB and copy it all back. So I just keep all 4GB+ files internally, seems to work fine. (Everything possible is on my MicroSD so I have 22GB free internally.)
ShadowLea said:
exFAT supports up to 16EB files in size. That's Exabyte.
You could record a whole month non-stop in 4K and not exceed the filesize limit.
Not all android devices support NTFS by default.
I use Fat32 on my MicroSD, which is rather annoying as I want to have blurays on it, but I can't bebothered to reformat all 64GB and copy it all back. So I just keep all 4GB+ files internally, seems to work fine. (Everything possible is on my MicroSD so I have 22GB free internally.)
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By the way, I almost forgot the huge internal space and I previously formatted Micro SD using exFAT imagining the day I would put a bigger than 4 GB video file, like once I needed in the past.
Great tip you gave!
Edit: Further, we need to remember that with Note 3, different from Note II, we can again put apps on external storage!
Tried it in the pool. My sd card and my phone are now broken
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Tried it in the pool. My sd card and my phone are now broken
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When you record 4k its sent to the internal memory which is ext4.
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zanzee said:
When you record 4k its sent to the internal memory which is ext4.
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Are there problems by formatting the external card to ext4 too? Don't. Have. A. microSD. Card. Yet. To. Try. It. NOW! arghhhhhh!
EDIT: no need to try, it doesn't work on stock roms.. Nice Google! Really nice!
I used the following command to convert a fat32 external drive to ntfs without losing data: Convert H: /FS:NTFS in command prompt, where H: would be your microsd card's drive letter when used in a Vista+ windows environment and a card reader. Can't guarantee data loss ofcourse so a backup would be wise.
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I have a Samsung 64 GB micro SD. It came already formatted with ExFat and fortunately so far so good.
A few years ago I had a faulty card reader for pc. My camera could not recognise the SD card and my phone had random reboots with a micro SD after formatting. It is a possibility.
I don't understand much about this topic and I have not formatted with windows in a while, but I remember I could choose among several parameters (something like block size?). My point is that maybe the note 3 requires a different set of Exfat parameters than windows default ones to work well
It is just an idea.
iiSo say we all!! From my Note 3 (N9005)
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Tried it in the pool. My sd card and my phone are now broken
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Don't blame me about this. Blame SwiftKey keyboard auto correction! hahahahaha
cyriacus said:
I used the following command to convert a fat32 external drive to ntfs without losing data: Convert H: /FS:NTFS in command prompt, where H: would be your microsd card's drive letter when used in a Vista+ windows environment and a card reader. Can't guarantee data loss ofcourse so a backup would be wise.
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That's great! Didn't know that this was possible without needing to format the whole card.
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I have a Samsung 64 GB micro SD. It came already formatted with ExFat and fortunately so far so good.
A few years ago I had a faulty card reader for pc. My camera could not recognise the SD card and my phone had random reboots with a micro SD after formatting. It is a possibility.
I don't understand much about this topic and I have not formatted with windows in a while, but I remember I could choose among several parameters (something like block size?). My point is that maybe the note 3 requires a different set of Exfat parameters than windows default ones to work well
It is just an idea.
iiSo say we all!! From my Note 3 (N9005)
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Well, the point is that I was experiencing a lot of random reboots here and didn't get no one since I used the device itself to format micro SD again.
I don't remember in which file system my Kingston 32 GB Micro SD came by default, but I used Windows 7 to format it on exFAT.
Probably the device itself formats the card the way more compatible possible, bringing stability.
By the way, since a lot of people already voted for exFAT and didn't tell anything about random reboots or issues, maybe this is not a real issue related to all exFAT, but maybe it is for people who used Windows (like myself) to format micro SD.
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Hi. I got my Meenova in the mail about a week ago. Since I have a Nexus 5, I thought this would be perfect. I bought a brand new 16gb, class 10 Lexar sdhc to go with the Meenova. I formatted the card in my computer to Fat32. I have read through the different threads, and the process seems simple enough. Anyways, every time I connect the Meenova to my N5, I get "Preparing USB Storage" in the notification bar. Underneath that it reads "checking for errors". But it never goes away. I've tried Stickmount and also formatting the sd card to exfat and NFTS. I am currently rooted, running Commotio Nightly 2-20-2014. Are there any settings on the phone itself that I need to adjust? Same thing happens with an older sd card too... What do I need to do? Any help would be much appreciated! It bugs me that I can't get this to work properly. Thank you!
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Make sure the card is formatted to primary not logical.
Is that just a setting in the format menu on my pc? I'll go check... Thanks.
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Is that just a setting in the format menu on my pc? I'll go check... Thanks.
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I don't know what program you're using but it should be there somewhere. When I ran winblows I used this free formatting program:
Mini Tool
Ok cool. I'm looking now.
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With Windows, I go to my computer, right click on the SD card, go to format. It gives the option for fat32, exfat, nfts I think. Plus the option to quick format or format the longer way. I've tried all of them. The link you gave me brings me to a page with a bunch of programs to download. Sorry, I'm not real computer savvy. I tried another program, but it just kept giving me tons of pop up ads. Thanks for the help though.. I appreciate it.
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With Windows, I go to my computer, right click on the SD card, go to format. It gives the option for fat32, exfat, nfts I think. Plus the option to quick format or format the longer way. I've tried all of them. The link you gave me brings me to a page with a bunch of programs to download. Sorry, I'm not real computer savvy. I tried another program, but it just kept giving me tons of pop up ads. Thanks for the help though.. I appreciate it.
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I use EaseUS Partition Master (http://www.partition-tool.com/personal.htm) for all my formatting needs on my Windows 7 PC. It's super simple to use. I've used it to format my 2 64GB SanDisk Ultra Micro SDXC cards to FAT32 and I've never hit any issues. Just plug in your SD card to your computer, open up the program, right click on the sd card you want to reformat, select format (or reformat (I can't remember what it says)), select FAT32, and voila. It's super quick to (done in a matter of seconds).
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I don't know what program you're using but it should be there somewhere. When I ran winblows I used this free formatting program:
Mini Tool
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Awful tool. Seen so many bad formats with it.
I wouldn't touch it ever again, even for the simple tasks it should be able to do.
charesa39 said:
I use EaseUS Partition Master (http://www.partition-tool.com/personal.htm) for all my formatting needs on my Windows 7 PC. It's super simple to use. I've used it to format my 2 64GB SanDisk Ultra Micro SDXC cards to FAT32 and I've never hit any issues. Just plug in your SD card to your computer, open up the program, right click on the sd card you want to reformat, select format (or reformat (I can't remember what it says)), select FAT32, and voila. It's super quick to (done in a matter of seconds).
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Morning all. Anyone else have that problem? I can copy to the internal storage just fine, but if I try to drag and drop to the SD card I get the device has stopped responding or its disconnected error. I have windows 8.1, I'm rooted and drivers work fine, adb and fastboot functional, SD card is PNY 64gb xc formatted in NTFS. I also took out the micro SD card and put it in my laptop and was able to write to it just fine, the files even show up through the shield when I put the SD card back in and reconnected to laptop. So who knows what I'm missing?:laugh:
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Morning all. Anyone else have that problem? I can copy to the internal storage just fine, but if I try to drag and drop to the SD card I get the device has stopped responding or its disconnected error. I have windows 8.1, I'm rooted and drivers work fine, adb and fastboot functional, SD card is PNY 64gb xc formatted in NTFS. I also took out the micro SD card and put it in my laptop and was able to write to it just fine, the files even show up through the shield when I put the SD card back in and reconnected to laptop. So who knows what I'm missing?:laugh:
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You cant copy paste you have to use the applications menu and theres an option for move to sd. Never used it but i know its there.
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Doing a little bit of reading goes a long way.
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You cant copy paste you have to use the applications menu and theres an option for move to sd. Never used it but i know its there.
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Doing a little bit of reading goes a long way.
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You mean through the shields settings? Im talking about dragging and dropping using windows when shields plugged in via usb. But that is goo to know so I can apps to sd
mta1981 said:
You mean through the shields settings? Im talking about dragging and dropping using windows when shields plugged in via usb. But that is goo to know so I can apps to sd
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Yeah, you can't do it through windows. With a file explorer, you could physically get the file to move but it wouldn't run. I believe with the built in option for moving files to SD, it will only move the .apk file, and not the actual data. So if you have a 3mb .apk, and a gig worth of data, it's pretty much useless. There is a tool on the play store called folder mount which basically allows you to swap mount points, and it allows you to save everything to SD, you have to have root for it though.
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Yeah, you can't do it through windows. With a file explorer, you could physically get the file to move but it wouldn't run. I believe with the built in option for moving files to SD, it will only move the .apk file, and not the actual data. So if you have a 3mb .apk, and a gig worth of data, it's pretty much useless. There is a tool on the play store called folder mount which basically allows you to swap mount points, and it allows you to save everything to SD, you have to have root for it though.
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Not a problem, I used your excellent root tool kit!! Today we learned a big lesson in fat32 and NTFS formats and what the Shield can and cannot do with each. Fat32 ftw
mta1981 said:
Not a problem, I used your excellent root tool kit!! Today we learned a big lesson in fat32 and NTFS formats and what the Shield can and cannot do with each. Fat32 ftw
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Haha nice. Yeah fat32 is the way to go unless you have a giant sdcard then exfat works better. If i remember right fat32 has a 4gb file size limit.
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Haha nice. Yeah fat32 is the way to go unless you have a giant sdcard then exfat works better. If i remember right fat32 has a 4gb file size limit.
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So the shield will read and write to a 64gb card formatted in exfat?
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Yeah, you can't do it through windows. With a file explorer, you could physically get the file to move but it wouldn't run. I believe with the built in option for moving files to SD, it will only move the .apk file, and not the actual data. So if you have a 3mb .apk, and a gig worth of data, it's pretty much useless. There is a tool on the play store called folder mount which basically allows you to swap mount points, and it allows you to save everything to SD, you have to have root for it though.
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The built in move to SD will actually move the android/obb file that corresponds to the app, it will also create mount points on the SD for it. I'm not sure if it moves android/data though, I just haven't tried it, most big games use obb files though.
I have some weird problems with my 64GB card formatted to fat32. It all works perfectly for some time, then the SD will become read only to the Shield and I have to format it again. :\ I'm not sure if it's my SD card, the SDXC formatted to fat32, <that and using the built in move to SD, etc.
I treat the SD card like dark magic, when it's working I don't mess with the thing.
I hope that Nvidia releases an update that focuses on better SD support, it seems like they're planning something.
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The built in move to SD will actually move the android/obb file that corresponds to the app, it will also create mount points on the SD for it. I'm not sure if it moves android/data though, I just haven't tried it, most big games use obb files though.
I have some weird problems with my 64GB card formatted to fat32. It all works perfectly for some time, then the SD will become read only to the Shield and I have to format it again. :\ I'm not sure if it's my SD card, the SDXC formatted to fat32, <that and using the built in move to SD, etc.
I treat the SD card like dark magic, when it's working I don't mess with the thing.
I hope that Nvidia releases an update that focuses on better SD support, it seems like they're planning something.
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I gotcha thanks. I hadnt actually used it yet but have used it on other platforms and it was pretty much worthless. I had assumed it was the same since it was on my other devices. Thanks for clearin that up.
So I ordered a Samsung 64GB Class 10 micro SD card, and it seems VERY slow.
While I gone so much mind the slowness, as I dont play a lot of games and would use it more for pictures and music I was wondering if I could get a few questions answered before I send it back or just give it to someone else.
1: Does the S4 have problems with 64GB cards?
- I am running Sacs KitKat V2
2: should I format with a format (NSFT/exFat) and is it better done on a Mac or PC?
3: what should the Unit Size be?
4: I just copied my old sd card on to this one, and some of the big games I do have stopped showing up. but when I put my old card back in, they are there again.
Why would this happen?
Thanks for the help everyone!
You have to format the card using the phone itself. Go into settings then storage and the option should be there. Try that, then re-copy your stuff to the card. If you still have problem then it is probably a dud card.
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You shouldn't re-format it at all from stock, but if you do you should try the official SD Formatter: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/
I have a samsung 64GB microsd in my S4 and it's ridiculously fast according to SD Tools (http://i.imgur.com/EXUVIP7.png), probably a caching causing that; but anyways, it's great in normal use copying roms over/etc.
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...probably a caching causing that
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LOL, you don't say! Divide those numbers by 10 and you have a more realistic speed indication :good:
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LOL, you don't say! Divide those numbers by 10 and you have a more realistic speed indication :good:
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No, samsung does claim the card gets 70MB/s read and 20MB/s write - and the reviews on amazon match that even for the lower priced card:
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-64GB-PLUS-Micro-Adapter/dp/B00I4ZMNY4/
Obviously the SD Tools benchmark isn't testing the actual card performance, but what matters is that in actual use the samsung cards are great.
Windows/crystaldiskmark can also easily be used to do a real test.
Here's in a usb 2.0 card reader:
Sequential Read : 23.455 MB/s
Sequential Write : 17.352 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 22.898 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 16.407 MB/s
Test : 100 MB [D: 32.1% (18.8/58.5 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2014/03/26 11:16:15
OS : Windows 8.1 [6.3 Build 9600] (x64)
If @chaos67731 isn't getting at minimum 10-20MB/s after formatting the card then there's probably something wrong with it.
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1: Does the S4 have problems with 64GB cards?
- I am running Sacs KitKat V2
2: should I format with a format (NSFT/exFat) and is it better done on a Mac or PC?
3: what should the Unit Size be?
4: I just copied my old sd card on to this one, and some of the big games I do have stopped showing up. but when I put my old card back in, they are there again.
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1: A good amount of users (including me) had problems with their SD cards on S4s. The problems are between:
occasional unmount/remount (the system does this for no apparent reason). S4 cant read cards after a sudden unmount, and cards usually get killed. most of the cards reported are 16,32 and 64 GB micro SD kingstone. SandDisk has problems too but I'm not sure about Samsung's.
2: Just use the official SD formatter mentioned by @Oishikatta above.
3: if you used the official SD formatter you wont have to deal with Unit Size. (personally, I dont know what's that)
4: Do you use a card reader when you copy your memory card? or do you just connect the phone using a cable? try using a card reader when copying your SDs. Some hidden files may not appear if you used the cable.
I hope I helped and excuse my English, its not my native language.
Well if you have a SanDisk they want you to format exfat. http://kb.sandisk.com/app/answers/d...sion/L3RpbWUvMTM5NTg5ODI5OS9zaWQvRDdTTFVmUWw=
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No, samsung does claim the card gets 70MB/s read and 20MB/s write.
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Sure, on a PC with an appropiate very fast SD-card reader. Using a phone you won't get those advertized speeds.
This is the result with a more proper SD-benchmarking app (although internal and external SD are shown in reverse):
These values will be more realistic. SD-Tools results (cached) don't mean jack, unfortunately.
I read somewhere for the shield to format sd cards to ntfs is best if you plan to run games from your sd card. I use Linux, so I'd rather use ext 4, I just wanted feedback as I assume this format would work (since android use ext file system)
NTFS is the best way. It is the work around for SD card read and write without root.
I believe this is unique to the shield I feel as if I read nvidia built in NTFS support to get around the restrictions lollipop put on external storage. Apps to SD works fine.
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Thanks, yeah I was wondering if it was shield only exception. I'll stick with NTFS
The restrictions still apply with the card formatted ntfs. When trying to write to the sd card you still have to give the app you're using to write with permissions for what they can access. I have been wondering about using ext4 also, I have a lot of games on the sd card and haven't felt like reformatting it to try it yet.
I've been using ext4 with the pikachu kernel and read/write works flawlessly along with everything else. Dont even get that weird pop up to give the app permission.
Is there any performance boost or anything with NTFS?
What about having a swap partition?
You will get the pop up the first time but after that seems to be good.
I've had no lack of performance but also can't say it's any better
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Hi, I have been trying to transfer some bluray isos to my tablet and either they wont finish transferring or vlc wont play them when they do. I had success transerring one iso with Wondershare Mobile go but it put the file in a hard to find folder and vlc wouldnt play it. I have an sd card coming tomorrow. I have read some post on here about the issue but the last one was dated March of last year. I know many people disagree with what I'm trying to do but I get bullheaded and dont give up that easy. Would stickmount work? Cyanogenmod or another ROM? I havent rooted yet but would be opposed to it. Ive read some post that say that its not a problem anymore. Any thoughts , ideas or comments would be appreciated.
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Hi, I have been trying to transfer some bluray isos to my tablet and either they wont finish transferring or vlc wont play them when they do. I had success transerring one iso with Wondershare Mobile go but it put the file in a hard to find folder and vlc wouldnt play it. I have an sd card coming tomorrow. I have read some post on here about the issue but the last one was dated March of last year. I know many people disagree with what I'm trying to do but I get bullheaded and dont give up that easy. Would stickmount work? Cyanogenmod or another ROM? I havent rooted yet but would be opposed to it. Ive read some post that say that its not a problem anymore. Any thoughts , ideas or comments would be appreciated.
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If your sdcard is formatted to FAT32 then you can't put files over 4GB on it. Could this be the problem?
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If your sdcard is formatted to FAT32 then you can't put files over 4GB on it. Could this be the problem?[/QUOT
I'm not sure how its formatted. Its a brand new shield tablet. My external sd card hasnt come yet. I read though that the 4gb limit shouldnt be a problem on android devices.
I did transfer a 4.29gb file that played.
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I'm not sure how its formatted. Its a brand new shield tablet. My external sd card hasnt come yet. I read though that the 4gb limit shouldnt be a problem on android devices.
I did transfer a 4.29gb file that played.
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Your SD card is most likely FAT or FAT32 which has a 4GB limit.
Some but not all android kernels support exFAT which has a much larger file limit, this would be the preferred way I would fix it. I formatted my card in my device to find out .
Some kernels also support NTFS which avoids the FAT32 limit but can lead to unintended behaviour - eg. apps will not be able to work out the correct amount of free space left.
Failing another solution the least desirable way to fix this (other than transcoding) is split the video into 4GB parts.
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The shield tablet can read SD cards formatted NTFS. That should at least allow the large file to be transferred. I'm a little surprised the system partition on a linux-based tablet uses case-insensitive FAT formatting.