Hello, maybe a dumb question but what is the difference between the two threads in the development section?
Thanks in advance
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i never really got it either.
Based on your subject "Difference between nexus 5 and nexus 5 original", I think the forums confused you a bit. It's not "Nexus 5" vs. "Nexus 5 Original", it's "Development" vs. "Original Development".
I think the difference is that the Original Dev. section is only for ROMs/Kernels/Tools etc. that you personally created yourself OR is the official release for a popular "team" ROM, such as CyanogenMod or AOKP. At least that's how I understand it. The only topics I've seen on any Original Dev forum usually are custom kernels, custom ROMs (as in official CM/PA/AOKP releases), and rooting tools that devs have come up with.
The non-original forum contains ROMs or kernels which are modified using a base, or starting point, created by an "original" dev, and more often, a team of devs.
The best way to look at it is that the "Original Development" section is work created solely from the developer's own ideas. The "Development" is more or least work that is taken from another developer and is used by another developer to input additional "stuff" to their own liking. It's like saying buying a custom pc made by your friend and you would take it and take out or put in additional parts to enhance the device. :good:
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With source dropping for the dhd and how easy interoperability between our phones is do we need 2 different forums? Seems it would be easier on you guys if things merged.
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I agree. Now that the source is out it would make sense.
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it would be much easier for the DEVS which is more important. they wouldnt have to maintain 2 different threads for the same ROM, Theme or Kernel as well..
Very good point.
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so how do we initiate this or would the Mods even entertain this idea at this point since both forums have been established..
I suggest we work with the mods on this. I'll report my own thread to get some eyes on it.
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sounds like a plan..
yes please merge us!
I agree with this. There's a lot of threads I've seen today that are directing you to the DHD forum for further information/troubleshooting - why not make them the same rather than having to post everything twice, or making devs/users have to jump back and forth?
I have to disagree. I prefer the forums seperate.
I could care less what the people in Europe are doing with their Desire HDs. The Inspire is a US phone on AT&T. It has a seperate identity.
Keep in mind even though they are pretty much the same phone, they run on different networks, have different radio software, and are supported by different cell providers. People's experiences will be different than their European counterparts.
Please keep them seperate.
you do realize that almost everything in our forums are from the europe DHD forums right??? so why have 2?
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you do realize that almost everything in our forums are from the europe DHD forums right??? so why have 2?
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I think 2 just to keep it simpler. so that the threads arent filled with issues from the inspire in the desire thread and desire in an inspire thread.
if the dev part is merged to make it better for them is one thing, but you still need att specific sub forum for all the posts that are att specific.
The Dev secton right now is NOT the biggest part of this device forum, all the att specific issues are...
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if the dev part is merged to make it better for them is one thing, but you still need att specific sub forum for all the posts that are att specific.
The Dev secton right now is NOT the biggest part of this device forum, all the att specific issues are...
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A European ROM flashed with the kernel just released by apache14 works out of the box with no further user tweaking.
I have a feeling that all the rom chefs of Europe will be building their own kernels based on the source that dropped yesterday which is universal, and includes the variations to the American and Canadian DHDs.
I agree that a sub forum may be needed in General but not Dev.
yeah I'm not seeing anything that makes this device any different from the DHD device. The DHD forum isn't limited to 1 single carrier so i'm still not seeing your point of keeping it separate...
worst case scenario look at how the Motorola Milestone and Verizon Drioid forum is laid out.. maybe something similar
and besides the DEV section will start becoming the biggest part of our forums now that ROMS and Kernels are out
Also keep in mind that there are a lot of people who like me have no intention of rooting or modding their phone. So the DEV section is useless to people like me.
I used to jailbreak my iPhone for years, but got bored doing it. The only reason I flashed a custom ROM on my Captivate was cause you had to, being that the stock 2.1 was terrible.
Currently outside of the fact that the back speaker is terrible on the Inspire, I am completely happy the way the phone is. I don't feel I need to flash custom ROMs to get a phone to work the way it should. The Inspire currently works just dandy.
So don't assume everyone is into modding.
there is always the search function. That always helps. Besides where as I know that not ALL people root and load custom roms there are a good portion that do and since that is what the majority do on XDA (D=Developers) then I don't know how relevant your argument is on that one.
did you look at the motorola forum I previously mentioned to you?
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Also keep in mind that there are a lot of people who like me have no intention of rooting or modding their phone. So the DEV section is useless to people like me.
I used to jailbreak my iPhone for years, but got bored doing it. The only reason I flashed a custom ROM on my Captivate was cause you had to, being that the stock 2.1 was terrible.
Currently outside of the fact that the back speaker is terrible on the Inspire, I am completely happy the way the phone is. I don't feel I need to flash custom ROMs to get a phone to work the way it should. The Inspire currently works just dandy.
So don't assume everyone is into modding.
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Why are you using this forum then? No offense but if I wasn't in to modding my device I would use another less development oriented one like androidforum or something. Most people on xda DEVELOPERS are into development. But I am with you on keeping the dhd and inspire forums separate or at least the dev sections and my only logic on that is because of the sound issues but if the source being released fixes this than I guess there's no point. As far as general I could care less.......
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Why are you using this forum then? No offense but if I wasn't in to modding my device I would use another less development oriented one like androidforum or something. Most people on xda DEVELOPERS are into development. But I am with you on keeping the dhd and inspire forums separate or at least the dev sections and my only logic on that is because of the sound issues but if the source being released fixes this than I guess there's no point. As far as general I could care less.......
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Although I am not really into custom ROMs, I still think this is a great forum to hang out. Plus I think you get a more mature crowd on here who are a bit more techie oriented.
I also read on Androidforums.com and like how they have a separate section for every phone. I think it works, but then again on there I don't think you get the same kind of conversations as you get on here.
As far as what Gunny said, I don't really see a lot of DesireHD stuff in the general section of the Inspire forum. I am sure you do in the DEV section, but so far almost all the threads I see in here are all about the Inspire.
i would be curious to add a poll to this thread.. so far I am only seeing 1 maybe 2 people that may not agree. I'd love to see what general consensus states...
YOu think its possible if we can split up the Nexus S DEV section, its really getting littered with ROMs (which is good) but its now a bit confusing to see all the different ROMs mixed up. Not that that its HARD to to really distinguish which ROM goes to which device, its more annoying than anything.
Anyone agree? maybe get a new sub forum for the NS4G, they are really 2 totally different devices if you think about it
i think its fine, i just think the titles need to be changed, have the phone tag all the way to the left to make it easier to scroll by
I say no. I have had a lot of help from fellow NS owners some things are the same. Just read the OP before flashing. Or test on your own to see if new (2.3.4) roms work with your device. And as always have a good backup.
Looks like the Admins agreed. I didnt have ANY issues with distinguishing 4g from NS ROMs, my thing was the clutter aspect
Agreed and thank you to the admins.
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New Nexus S 4g android development section created!
Dear XDA and XDA fans..!
I would like to open up the discussion of Galnet MIUI here on XDA, and hopefully get adult responses, instead of the normal we can't talk about Galnet here.
Over the last year XDA and Galnet have had a battle over what is right and what is wrong, and users of XDA being confused about why Galnet is not allowed to be talked about considering other MIUI released can be posted without any issue.
The true factors of the matter is that ALL SGS I9000 MIUI roms in general should be banned from XDA, as the base rom which was used to continue the development was one developed by Galnet (MIUI V4 1.12.19 Dated 19th December 2011). However I'm not worried about who uses my work, it's great to see I've allowed a development to grow and be used daily.
This was the turning point for MIUI v4 on the I9000, thus allow developers to work, repair and release better builds for the benefit of the end users to enjoy, the whole point to XDA..!
Then not forgetting our major break through with ICS which was printed on the XDA home page: http://www.xda-developers.com/developments/ice-cream-sandwich-ported-to-the-samsung-galaxy-s/ This brought light and hope into users that ICS could run on the I9000, and leap frogged the I9000 ICS development, something of which can't be denied..!
In reality I (GALNET), do not do this for money making, I do this as a hobby, and my means of collecting cash from people may have been untoward, however on being shown that this wasn't acceptable, I changed my thinking, and also redesigned the feel and look of our website in order to remove what seemed like a forced payment option, which was never meant to be..! I'm taking about the Groupies section of our site, this was removed and banned, all users were treated the same, and as you all know the roms came flying out the door weekly, without the need for any payment whatsoever...!!!! It was all funded with my cash, without quibbles.
I also used custom kernels as the believe was MIUI didn't release the source for the Kernels they were using (Breach of the GPL), however if any of the Moderation team took the time to check, every kernel MIUI used, excluding the MI-One was either a CM kernel or a stock kernel which obliged with the GPL rules. This is still true with MIUI Version 4.
At it's peek Mamboo, Currydude and Galnet MIUI was brining over 1,000 visitors an hour (Maybe more) on the XDA boards, it was the most active board on XDA, and was considered the best rom for the I9000 excluding CM7. The developments, rewrites and tweaks were taken and used by other developers to better their roms, same with help modifying the Kernels (Vorbeth) and source being made available, again never breaching the GPL rules.
I think it's time that the XDA management took a look at what Galnet (I) have done for the community and android development in a whole on the Samsung devices, and accept the fact that the past is in the past. I've moved on, and so has everyone else. No matter how hard you try to close a Galnet thread, another one appears (Not by me, nor do I ask users to post) as the users feel it should be shared.
I ask that all moderators think seriously about what I have done for the community, and forget the STUPID groupies arguments, is constantly closing a thread down, or blocking the word Galnet the mature thing to do?
I accept and apologise for anything that I have done, so can't XDA do the same?
My Two Cents,
Mathew.
I'm having a hard time comprehending this. You're apologizing for people admiring your work?
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I'm having a hard time comprehending this. You're apologizing for people admiring your work?
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No I'm apologising for any rules that I may have broken.
It's sad to see the Galnet website nowadays Matthew. I don't know anything about these 'problems', but Galnet MIUI was by far the best equipped and most stable variant of GB MIUI on my HTC Desire S.
Hopefully one day you will be back and I'll be able to see what you can do with ICS.
tldr
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Well I hope that everything gets resolved. As SimonTS said above, Galnet has been the most stable MIUI I've run, and in fact the most stable Rom period of all that I've used. I've been running MIUI V4 lately because of some of the little UI tweaks but still nothing beats Galnet in terms of overall usefulness. It would be great if you could do some work on V4 for the community.
Moved to proper section
So any moderators have any feedback?
It would be nice to know if xda accept the above and allow me to post my modified roms.
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what is the difference, if any, between the original and android development subforums? why do we have both?
Please use the search function next time. The difference is that Original Dev is for things built directly from source and original ideas. Android Dev is for things developed based on original works.
The better question is what is the point. This is the only forum here I've been active in that differentiates between the two. Seems counterproductive to take up more space when people ***** all the time about useless threads taking up space.
Yes It is silly and confusing to draw a distinction. A better distinction would being roms vs kernels and radios.
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Hello all,
I've been visiting XDA since the first android phones. And I love seeing all the development made for phones. [MOD]s, [KERNEL]s and fixes/tweaks interest me. The trouble is, they get completely buried under threads about re-skinned stock/ CM / AOKP roms with a different kernel strapped underneath, and given a name containing "jelly", a biblical term, or a word describing speed. Most of these roms don't contribute actual development, and although they are nice for beginners or people who cant spend a day without flashing their phone. I don't care about them, and they obscure the actual development that is happening at XDA.
Is there a proper way of removing threads containing the [ROM] tag from XDA?
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Hello all,
I've been visiting XDA since the first android phones. And I love seeing all the development made for phones. [MOD]s, [KERNEL]s and fixes/tweaks interest me. The trouble is, they get completely buried under threads about re-skinned stock/ CM / AOKP roms with a different kernel strapped underneath, and given a name containing "jelly", a biblical term, or a word describing speed. Most of these roms don't contribute actual development, and although they are nice for beginners or people who cant spend a day without flashing their phone. I don't care about them, and they obscure the actual development that is happening at XDA.
Is there a proper way of removing threads containing the [ROM] tag from XDA?
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Well the [ROM] tag is to differentiate it from a kernel, mod, recovery etc. and doesn't imply that it's any more than a compiled CM base with just a theme add-on.
I understand your frustration completely, but people have to get started somewhere don't they? And the ones that have the most replies, i.e. most popular, tend to stay near the top of the forum anyways.
It would be rather arbitrary I think to take off that tag or tell someone their ROM was not "real" because they just compiled CM and added someone else's kernel and themed it a bit, because technically it IS a custom ROM. What you might do to help that specific chef is post suggestions in his ROM for how to better improve it, and browsing through the various ROMs doesn't take all that long does it? I mean I use Nexus devices, so you know how many ROMs I have to choose from.
I can appreciate where you're coming from, but a custom ROM is a custom ROM, no matter how heavily or lightly modified it is, and to now infer something isn't modified enough from Source to be labeled [ROM] is too much a gray area I think to adequately and fairly decide.
That was my observation too, the more popular the item, the better chance it'll be near the top of the list.
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