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Hi guys,
Just got a Nexus 5, had previously had a Samsung Galaxy S3.
My S3 was rooted, mainly to get rid of carrier bloatware and later because I wanted the Android 4.2 camera with Photosphere (my carrier was stuck on 4.1 until a few months ago).
As time wore on my device had numerous problems ultimately I felt related to rooting, I could never find ROM's with at least one major glitch. I ended up on a stock ROM for most the time with the only root change was flashing the 4.2 camera for Photosphere. Rooting in general I found caused more headaches than it was worth.
Anyways, I just got the Nexus 5 and have no real intention to root it. Since it's devoid of carrier bloatware and it runs super fast and responsive, just wondering what the real credible benefits to rooting it are? (and voiding warranty in the process)??
I don't see a lot of bloatware on the device, it's going to get constant updates from Google (as opposed to devices depandant on a carrier), I don't really need to overclock or mess with kernals on an already fast device.
Am I missing something here?
Sianspheric said:
Hi guys,
Just got a Nexus 5, had previously had a Samsung Galaxy S3.
My S3 was rooted, mainly to get rid of carrier bloatware and later because I wanted the Android 4.2 camera with Photosphere (my carrier was stuck on 4.1 until a few months ago).
As time wore on my device had numerous problems ultimately I felt related to rooting, I could never find ROM's with at least one major glitch. I ended up on a stock ROM for most the time with the only root change was flashing the 4.2 camera for Photosphere. Rooting in general I found caused more headaches than it was worth.
Anyways, I just got the Nexus 5 and have no real intention to root it. Since it's devoid of carrier bloatware and it runs super fast and responsive, just wondering what the real credible benefits to rooting it are? (and voiding warranty in the process)??
I don't see a lot of bloatware on the device, it's going to get constant updates from Google (as opposed to devices depandant on a carrier), I don't really need to overclock or mess with kernals on an already fast device.
Am I missing something here?
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Some people prefer different launchers or ROMs or to have access to certain functions (e.g. full backup) that require root. I've had my N5 for a month and haven't felt the need for it, so I'm still stock, locked, unrooted.
Xposed for me.
Most of the mods from Custom ROMs with the OTA updates from Google
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Xposed framework, Adaway, Lmt launcher, AppOps, AutomateIt Pro... Basicly everything to take control over your device.
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So.....ad blocking apps, minor tweaks, custom ROM's.
eh, not really compelling reasons for me I guess.
Sianspheric said:
So.....ad blocking apps, minor tweaks, custom ROM's.
eh, not really compelling reasons for me I guess.
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I wouldn't call them minor tweaks at all. There is an extremely wide variety of things that require your phone to be rooted. Often times an app will have limited functionality without root.
Please note that rooting your phone has nothing to do with using a custom rom. (You can in fact have a custom rom that is not rooted) Your problems with your prior phone were not in any way as a result of rooting the phone. If you had problems with the rom (sometimes custom roms have broken components) that has nothing to do with having root access.
At this point, I'd be willing to bet the most common usage of the phone at this point (amongst users of this site) are those who are rooted, but still using the stock rom. More and more users are migrating to the custom roms, but this is because rom development takes a bit of time with major releases.
AdAway is the main reason for me - I HATE adverts with a passion!
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Sianspheric said:
So.....ad blocking apps, minor tweaks, custom ROM's.
eh, not really compelling reasons for me I guess.
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what you consider "minor tweaks", might be a big deal for someone else. Tastes differ.
i root because of 1 main reason, i paid for the device and i believe i should be able to have full control over it.
Another thing is, whatever i do with my phone, i always know what i'm doing and why i'm doing it, so the odds of screwing something up are very little. In case i do need to claim warranty, i know how to set everything back.
Sianspheric said:
So.....ad blocking apps, minor tweaks, custom ROM's.
eh, not really compelling reasons for me I guess.
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Ehm...why did you buy a nexus? Actually i don't even know what you are doing on xda. No offense but... Sound more like an iPhone kind a guy...
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It's up to you whether to root or not. Whatever problems you had with your previous device, it wasn't due to rooting persay, but rather what you did with root access. Rooting doesn't change anything, it just gives you administrative access to the operating system. Running un-rooted is analogous to accessing your desktop PC through a guest account. Rooting your Android device gives you full access like you have on your desktop as as an administrator.
He just wants to know the benefits. No need to harp on him for not wanting to root. If anything Nexus 5 has less reasons to be rooted then OEM phones.
bblzd said:
He just wants to know the benefits. No need to harp on him for not wanting to root. If anything Nexus 5 has less reasons to be rooted then OEM phones.
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Maybe someday he'll want to tether.
AT LEAST UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER
Fastboot OEM Unlock
That easy, it'll erase EVERYTHING. So if you do it now you won't lose much. Do it later when you want to root (like my mother and myself) you'll have to unlock and lose everything.
If you ever need you return it just lock it again it's easy. And you won't lose ANYTHING for relocking it.
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Two words....
Franco kernel
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Titanium back up because I'm too lazy to reinstall all of my apps on my previous device.
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Not much reason to if your main use is as a "daily driver".
Mine is rooted mainly due to needing to use it for development work related to my job, but ad blocking and several xposed modules would require root anyways. That and I just can't help but mess with stuff like CPU frequency/voltage settings, etc.
Ben36 said:
Two words....
Franco kernel
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I second this.
I was previously on Galaxy S2 rooted. I'd tested some custom roms like chamaleon, cm, but at last, what i realized that I needed wasn't a lot of new features i only wanted a good battery performance and a fc and random reboots free phone.
So I returned to stock roms with the more stock-like rooted kernel with Xposed and some additions. At last I got a good battery performance to keep the phone full day without charging.
Now that my N5 is with me for about 6 or 7 weeks I don't need rooting, modding ... nothing. The performance for my daily use is about 30 hours between charges with almost 3 hours with screen on.
That is all I need!
And for backups (i've payed for titanium backup app for my S2) now I use ADB from command line and it's enought for me
Also, the Nexus in this conditions hasn't hanged yet.
It spent more than 350 hours until I decided to change to Dart and I had to restart the phone. this is much better than my old S2 that needed two or three weekly reboots even with stock rom.
So, i'm very happy with my non-rooted N5 but if I need to root it in the near future it will be not a problem to me doing it.
I use it for Titanium Backup myself, whose backups I periodically have uploaded to Box.com. Obviously it's there for when I want to change phone and want to restore app data, especially for game saves, but you also never know if your phone is going to malfunction and you have to wipe or get lost/stolen. I think it's pretty useful to have an app that automatically takes care of backing up your data for you.
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http://lifehacker.com/top-10-reasons-to-root-your-android-phone-1079161983
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Hi all,
I am enamored by the Pixel 2 for the camera, general size and clean android experience. I am coming from a Moto X (2013) DE, which I have been using for almost three years with no complaints. I am on Verizon GFUDP, am unlocked, rooted and using Xposed framework. I use the phone for tethering quite often. I don't generally use custom ROMs,; once I am setup and got everything running nice, I stop playing around with the phone and just use it.
That said, I am ready to upgrade and still want an unlockable, rootable device, which has a really good camera and will allow me to tether at will. My thought is to purchase the Pixel 2 through Google. I see that there has been some bumpiness in the road to root success, and I am wondering if this device will eventually (if it's already not) become stable enough to do what I want without a lot of fooling with it, or fear of accidentally "bricking", or other issues down the road.
So in the big picture, do you feel that the Pixel 2 can be set up, forgotten about, and just used, as I describe above, or do you think that the device will need to be tweaked on a regular basis? If so, do you have any recommendations of devices which better fit the parameters listed above?
Thanks in advance!
amajamar said:
Hi all,
I am enamored by the Pixel 2 for the camera, general size and clean android experience. I am coming from a Moto X (2013) DE, which I have been using for almost three years with no complaints. I am on Verizon GFUDP, am unlocked, rooted and using Xposed framework. I use the phone for tethering quite often. I don't generally use custom ROMs,; once I am setup and got everything running nice, I stop playing around with the phone and just use it.
That said, I am ready to upgrade and still want an unlockable, rootable device, which has a really good camera and will allow me to tether at will. My thought is to purchase the Pixel 2 through Google. I see that there has been some bumpiness in the road to root success, and I am wondering if this device will eventually (if it's already not) become stable enough to do what I want without a lot of fooling with it, or fear of accidentally "bricking", or other issues down the road.
So in the big picture, do you feel that the Pixel 2 can be set up, forgotten about, and just used, as I describe above, or do you think that the device will need to be tweaked on a regular basis? If so, do you have any recommendations of devices which better fit the parameters listed above?
Thanks in advance!
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It should be good in the long run. In my personal experience after using a lot of ROM's/kernels/mods since 2011 I would say the max your needs would come to is getting a custom kernel. With no disrespect to the developers who have worked on providing great roms throughout the years, google has really developed 8.0/8.1 into a completely viable solution that till now has not got me to even consider rooting the device to get some custom features on it.
flunk03 said:
It should be good in the long run. In my personal experience after using a lot of ROM's/kernels/mods since 2011 I would say the max your needs would come to is getting a custom kernel. With no disrespect to the developers who have worked on providing great roms throughout the years, google has really developed 8.0/8.1 into a completely viable solution that till now has not got me to even consider rooting the device to get some custom features on it.
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As I said, as long as I can get the tethering function, I am pretty much good to go. Do I need a custom kernel for that?
amajamar said:
As I said, as long as I can get the tethering function, I am pretty much good to go. Do I need a custom kernel for that?
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Afaik just rooting and getting an app designed for that should be fine I guess. It's not something I know since we don't have that issue with carriers on that front
amajamar said:
As I said, as long as I can get the tethering function, I am pretty much good to go. Do I need a custom kernel for that?
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As far as I'm aware you can achieve this with Magisk root and a Magisk module.
Buy Pixel 2, unlock bootloader before you set up the phone (get the factory reset out of the way), then just use it as-is indefinitely until you find you need something that only root can provide. If that's the case, then install Magisk, and keep on rolling.
So as of late with each update I find my note 8 getting slower and slower and along with that I frequently run into glitch after glitch. I was wanting to root my phone to hopefully get rid of a lot of these issues if I could. From what I am seeing though there is no way to unlock the bootloader V5 that I have on my phone and a lot of things I have read state that it is unlocking the bootloader that allows control of speeding up the phone etc... so here are my questions, Is it truly even worth rooting my note 8 to try and fix some of these issues, or is it just a lost cause? I do realize that unlocking the bootloader will allow me to flash custom rom..
spent_insanity said:
So as of late with each update I find my note 8 getting slower and slower and along with that I frequently run into glitch after glitch. I was wanting to root my phone to hopefully get rid of a lot of these issues if I could. From what I am seeing though there is no way to unlock the bootloader V5 that I have on my phone and a lot of things I have read state that it is unlocking the bootloader that allows control of speeding up the phone etc... so here are my questions, Is it truly even worth rooting my note 8 to try and fix some of these issues, or is it just a lost cause? I do realize that unlocking the bootloader will allow me to flash custom rom..
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Try reflashing the stock firmware, that will more than likely solve the issues you're having if they are caused by software problems.
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I've done that this morning was my 4th time.. my question still stands though regardless of what's going on is it still truly feasible to root the snapdragon note 8 to help boost performance and get my sound back?
spent_insanity said:
I've done that this morning was my 4th time.. my question still stands though regardless of what's going on is it still truly feasible to root the snapdragon note 8 to help boost performance and get my sound back?
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It is possible to improve performance with custom ROMs, but as ROMs get newer, they tend to be slower depending on how old the device is, the older the device is, the harder the device has to work when using newer custom ROMs. Custom kernels can also improve performance and battery life, there are some root apps that can also improve performance by freezing apps that aren't being used at all and freezing apps that you do use when they are not being used.
It all depends on what ROMs or kernels are available for your device, it also depends on which root required apps and mods that use along with the ROM. Some ROMs are better than others, it just depends on who built it and how experienced they are, some ROMs don't perform well or don't have enough features to make them interesting or have issues that never get solved.
Whether or not it is "worth it" to root your device is a personal choice that you have to make. Just be aware, it does come with its fair share of risks, especially if you aren't experienced with rooting and using root, it's very easy to cause serious issues when you start changing things or removing things.
Maybe you just need to figure out what is wrong with sound and fix it with the stock firmware.
I will try to help either way you go, fixing stock will probably be the simplest.
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Droidriven said:
It is possible to improve performance with custom ROMs, but as ROMs get newer, they tend to be slower depending on how old the device is, the older the device is, the harder the device has to work when using newer custom ROMs. Custom kernels can also improve performance and battery life, there are some root apps that can also improve performance by freezing apps that aren't being used at all and freezing apps that you do use when they are not being used.
It all depends on what ROMs or kernels are available for your device, it also depends on which root required apps and mods that use along with the ROM. Some ROMs are better than others, it just depends on who built it and how experienced they are, some ROMs don't perform well or don't have enough features to make them interesting or have issues that never get solved.
Whether or not it is "worth it" to root your device is a personal choice that you have to make. Just be aware, it does come with its fair share of risks, especially if you aren't experienced with rooting and using root, it's very easy to cause serious issues when you start changing things or removing things.
Maybe you just need to figure out what is wrong with sound and fix it with the stock firmware.
I will try to help either way you go, fixing stock will probably be the simplest.
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I thought with the Note 8 there is no way to unlock bootloader V4 and V5 which means no custom rom though? I see a boatload of conflicting info specifically on here if that is the case regardless of my issues I still would like to flash for custom rom, etc.. I want fully control over my phone from here on out. I have the Note 8 with the snapdragon processor... SM-950U my bootloader is V5
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I thought with the Note 8 there is no way to unlock bootloader V4 and V5 which means no custom rom though? I see a boatload of conflicting info specifically on here if that is the case regardless of my issues I still would like to flash for custom rom, etc.. I want fully control over my phone from here on out. I have the Note 8 with the snapdragon processor... SM-950U my bootloader is V5
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I don't know anything about unlocking your bootloader or whether there are any custom ROMs for your device, I was answering the question about the aspects of rooting a device.
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First off, a disclaimer: I come from a long line of rooting android phones, from the Nexus of yore to Samsungs and the Axon 7, to now potentially rooting the OP7 Pro. I know what rooting does, I know I can change the ROM, and that will allow me to change the look etc etc. But is there really benefit outside of that anymore?
And what things will I lose by rooting? Will google pay still work? Etc.
I've been getting bored with the stock ROM, not because there's anything wrong with it, I actually have only a 55% urge to root and load up a custom ROM. It's mostly out of boredom to be honest. But I find that as phones progress, my need to root and flash a new ROM shrinks. Especially since this is relatively close to Stock Android in the first place.
EasyTiger6x13 said:
First off, a disclaimer: I come from a long line of rooting android phones, from the Nexus of yore to Samsungs and the Axon 7, to now potentially rooting the OP7 Pro. I know what rooting does, I know I can change the ROM, and that will allow me to change the look etc etc. But is there really benefit outside of that anymore?
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Logon just to agree with what OP said. I, too came from a very long line of android phones (#AndroidMasterRace). As I changed from phone to phone, I eventually find it less and less appealing to root and currently rooting my phone just out of habit than actual needs.
EasyTiger6x13 said:
And what things will I lose by rooting? Will google pay still work? Etc.
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As long as Magisk passed with Safety Net, Google Pay will still work. Other than Warranty, you lose nothing. Rooting just let you gain more control over your phone.
oceanax said:
Logon just to agree with what OP said. I, too came from a very long line of android phones (#AndroidMasterRace). As I changed from phone to phone, I eventually find it less and less appealing to root and currently rooting my phone just out of habit than actual needs.
As long as Magisk passed with Safety Net, Google Pay will still work. Other than Warranty, you lose nothing. Rooting just let you gain more control over your phone.
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You don't even lose warranty.
There is nothing permanent done when unlocking the BootLoader or rooting.
You gain full control.
Do you mean root or custom ROM? You don't need root for a custom ROM...
As for rooting...
Systemwide adblock
Substratum themes
Pixel launcher & recents
Live caption + dark theme assistant
etc
I always root for numerous apps, mods, controls, etc...
Viper4android
galaxys said:
I always root for numerous apps, mods, controls, etc...
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Could you list the ones you use or would root to use, I'm also tempted to root but don't really see a big benefit, maybe you can change my mind
Adaway is my big plus to rooting. Doesn't matter what app or game I use, no ads.
Titanium Backup is my other #1 app to have. If I have problems with a specific OS (in my case, I had to downgrade from Android 10 back to 9), Titanium Backup put all my (game) data back without issues.
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Adaway is my big plus to rooting. Doesn't matter what app or game I use, no ads.
Titanium Backup is my other #1 app to have. If I have problems with a specific OS (in my case, I had to downgrade from Android 10 back to 9), Titanium Backup put all my (game) data back without issues.
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seconded. adaway is the main reason for me too. and Viper4Android
Im looking for a ROM that enables free tethering built in. Does anyone know of any? That's the main benefit of rooting for me.
I've been rooting and ROMing since the HTC Hero. I used to chase nightlies, kernels, new homescreen every day.... all looking to make slow phones faster and more useable.
Phone hardware is actually pretty stellar now, especially this one.
So all I do is root the stock rom, install ad block and Viper4android.
Being able to update firmware from the manufacturer OTA and maintain root with just a few clicks is the best thing since sliced bread for me.
Android manufacturers have finally started adding things to their stock launchers and builds that now make some mods and rooting and obsolete.
But Instill use it to customize my Waze map colors and Adaway. Otherwise, no reason and been thinking of jumping to the new Galaxy S11 plus when it comes out. Will see.
I root for Viper, to try custom kernels and to mod various visual aspects of OOS. You do lose HD quality Netflix and Prime video but I rarely watch them so its worth it for me.
Sab3elbromba said:
Could you list the ones you use or would root to use, I'm also tempted to root but don't really see a big benefit, maybe you can change my mind
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For me, I root for substratum, xposed edge, exi for SwiftKey, adaway, custom kernels, (magisk) roms, viper4android, probably a few more but that's just off the top of my head. Also, not the person you replied to.
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You should root you don't loose anything
And i overclocked the phone like crazy fast,
There are many benefits for rooting
I'm not rooting this time cause I dont want to lose the stable system that I have. I like its last of battery and I am okay with the speed of the phone. I think I will pass rooting this time
Adaway, viper4android, google dailer with call screen, downclocking the cpu, getting rid of all unnecessary apps and background processes. Aux camera's in gcams. And i have gpay and banking apps still working....
Hey guys im considering rooting my op6.. i was wondering how stable rooting is now? Ive rooted my previous phones (nexus 5,5x and 6p) but they would end up breaking, bricking, dying at >30% battery or all sorts of other BS... i know that those phones were known for having serious problems though and they were giving refunds or something a while back for them or something. Does anyone have any bs like this now? im not sure how much rooting has changed in the past 2 or 3 years.
also my main reason for rooting is so i can use v4a, can i use this without root these days and also ive heard that its had problems functioning on oneplus phones so is it working good?
and is there any other magisk mods that are worth getting?
is substratum stable now or does it still break all the time with updates and just at random times?
thanks guys
ItsMason said:
Hey guys im considering rooting my op6.. i was wondering how stable rooting is now? Ive rooted my previous phones (nexus 5,5x and 6p) but they would end up breaking, bricking, dying at >30% battery or all sorts of other BS... i know that those phones were known for having serious problems though and they were giving refunds or something a while back for them or something. Does anyone have any bs like this now? im not sure how much rooting has changed in the past 2 or 3 years.
also my main reason for rooting is so i can use v4a, can i use this without root these days and also ive heard that its had problems functioning on oneplus phones so is it working good?
and is there any other magisk mods that are worth getting?
is substratum stable now or does it still break all the time with updates and just at random times?
thanks guys
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I think that it is not root itself that leads to instability, it is what you do with it. If you start to use its power to mess with things you probably should not mess with - it will give you problems. Like I wouldn't recommend getting one of the battery-increasing, governor-modifying apps. In my experience my battery would always either stay the same or get worse. I tried updating adreno driver (for whatever reason) using a magisk module - got what I deserved - black screen. So I would recommended to get root, and just do what you need to do and then don't mess with it anymore.
I also had Nexus 6P and, unfortunately, it was just a poorly designed phone. Nothing to do with root
I do not know what v4a and substratum are, so hopefully someone will come in to clear things up
No, V4A isn't available without root. For substratum, I haven't had any problems with it. If I did, it's mostly on the theme side, not on substratum itself. However, I've moved from substratum to Swift Installer just because of how much simpler it is.
For root, utilize it only when you need it, and use it as minimal as possible especially if the phone you are going to root is your daily driver. Do not use any modifications that promise better performance or battery life. You are already using OnePlus 6, you won't need any of those.