So, I'm on the Legend (previous Hero) and I'm tired of HTC updating FW. I want pure Google.....
I'm not particularly "happy" or impressed with the Nexus S. It's basically a year old phone...bla bla, you know what I mean. It SHOULD have been more impressive. Right now it's being overshadowed by nearly every new phone, even the new SE phone. Who would have thought.........perhaps Google didn't want the Nexus to outshine other phones, but wanted a safe/tested platform to test new Android on?
BUT I'm willing to give it a try, only because I hate HTC and their update policy. But I have to get this from the US since I'm in Europe and....I'm uncertain about the build quality and hardware quality. A lot of people are reporting problem allready. If I get it, I prob won't be able to return it for warranty.
How safe a bet would getting the Nexus S be?
ANOTHER one of these posts? Seriously, there's tons of threads about people "unsure" of the Nexus S. Why not post there or something.
Me, personally, I love the Nexus S, much better than the crappy Nexus One I had, which has/had REAL issues. Nexus S? It has ZERO issues for me.
Sounds already you don't want the Nexus S, by saying you're not happy/impressed/year old phone/etc.. so don't get it. We're not going to convince you otherwise.
This thread is pointless.
Sebastian768 said:
I'm tired of HTC updating FW. I want pure Google.....
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That's all that matters.
there's no safe bet
there will always be a new phone around the corner with better of everything
if you need a new phone now, buy it
if not, keep waiting for the next best thing
There only seems to be a lot of issues for the Nexus S. People that are not having issues are not posting nearly as much (or not at all) as those that are experiencing some kind of issue. By that, I mean starting new threads with "x is broken, check yours?!"
Personally, I love my Nexus S and I am experiencing no issues. If you keep waiting because there is a newer phone around the corner, you'll end up never getting a new phone.
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There only seems to be a lot of issues for the Nexus S. People that are not having issues are not posting nearly as much (or not at all) as those that are experiencing some kind of issue.
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Exactly, and a common phenomenon across any product-related forum. Most of the happy people with no problems don't spend time posting how much they love their device on a forum, unless they're like many of the regulars here who just love chatting in the forum about the device or trying to help others. (The Development section's a different beast, of course.)
A personal example is me and the Ford/Microsoft Sync forums. I've only ever visited them when I was having issues with my Sync features. To read those forums you'd think Sync and MyFordTouch was total crap, but they're not, once you get past the few problems early adopters had. I haven't been back to the forums there since resolving mine, because I'm not really interested enough in the product to talk about it a lot.
If you want pure Google then it is definitely a safe bet. How often to any other pure Google phones come out?
Even though my I know my nexus s is outclassed by the newer DC phones coming out, I am still keeping it because I know when honeycomb comes out for phones the NS get it and all the other phones will be stuck on 2.2.
So yes its worth it to me.
I can't help but getting the feeling that the Nexus S isn't going to be very popular .. The threads in the nexus s subforums aren't what I call busy .. Also development section isn't crowded with enthusiasts .. Is the Nexus S too mainstream and not innovative enough ? I was going to sell my galaxy S to get the nexus s ( aosp and frquent updates) but I have serious doubts. I keep getting the feeling that the nexus s will die a silent death because of the hardwarewise far superior phones coming out now and in the coming months ..
Is my feeling justified or does the nexus s just need some startup time ?
i hope that it dont get mainstream, i dont want a phone which everyone has
You can analyse the market as much as you want, but the NS has a wow factor that can't be defined so easily. However lacking it may be perceived it is just so nice to use and this was apparant to me from the moment I played with a display unit. The end user experience is really nice and I love it for that before anything else. I think this forum is doing fine with plenty of new posts and hacks to choose from. Take MIUI for example.
As for mainstream I agree with eiabea - most people who get a Nexus device aren't mainstream to start with - it obviously will always be a niche device.
don't get me wrong .. I really like the nexus s ( from what i have seen adn read) .. Just need a few extra pushes to ditch my galaxy s and buy the nexus s and was curious about the opion of the people here
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don't get me wrong .. I really like the nexus s ( from what i have seen adn read) .. Just need a few extra pushes to ditch my galaxy s and buy the nexus s and was curious about the opion of the people here
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That's fine - but the answer to simply whether it will be popular/mainstream doesn't say whether it is the right device for you - there are many factors in answering this. I chose the NS after much deliberation instead of going for much more mainstream devices (including the new dual cores) which are inherently harder to develop for. There will always be wide dev support for the nexus line and so far this has proven to be more than the case for me.
Okay . The reason why I think want the nexus s is : aosp and the fact that it will get os updates early instead of waiting month for the manufacturer to develop the update with some skin I do not want I like to fiddle a lot with my device eg tweaking, finetuning ect etc so that's why I think I should jump on the nexus train
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Okay . The reason why I think want the nexus s is : aosp and the fact that it will get os updates early instead of waiting month for the manufacturer to develop the update with some skin I do not want I like to fiddle a lot with my device eg tweaking, finetuning ect etc so that's why I think I should jump on the nexus train
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All great and valid reasons - and not related to it being mainstream - go for it you won't regret it
All I gotta say is, "Quality over Quantity." The Nexus phones won't be as popular as regular Android phones because its aimed towards individuals who root their phone and stuff. But Nexus S from the beginning wasn't that popular because people disagreed with the lack of a external SD card.
It is a great phone when you start to use it. Every day you love something more and more about it, I came from a Vibrant to a Nexus S and I don't regret it. Only thing I miss is 720p video decoding. At the moment, I get it with CM7 but no sound is being outputted but it renders smooth.
Once the Nexus S comes out on Sprint I think you will see much more action in the forum.
Before I start, I'd just like to say that this is just my personal rant and even though some of you may not agree, that's why I'm having this as a discussion thread.
Let's get this started then.
All I see going around XDA are people comparing their own devices to the latest Nexus device and saying 'Should I switch to the Nexus?' or a load of people rimming off the Nexus' as if they're the best thing since sliced bread.
Some of you may wonder why this bothers me. I'll tell you.
Just because a device has the Nexus brand name, it doesn't make it any better than any other phone of equal quality. A hell of a lot of people will see a device is a Nexus and immediately want to get it.
Why would you want to?
If you ask one of those people why a Nexus is so great, they'll say one of three things or a mix of the three.
The reasons are;
1) All Nexus devices look great and have great build quality.
2) It's guaranteed to have great developer support.
3) It's officially supported by Google so it will get the latest Android updates before any other device.
Now, let me tell you my response to each of those points...
1) Most Nexus devices don't look great. The only one which looks good, in my opinion, is the Nexus 7. Apart from that, none of them look any better than other devices around.
2) Yes it will have great developer support, but so do a lot of phones which are already around and have been for ages now. An example of that is the Galaxy S2. It's been around for over a year and a half and it still has more development than most phones do
3) Again, this is true. But they're not the only devices to get the Android updates quickly. This site has a smattering of great developers so it will never take long for other devices to get the latest versions, and you haven't even needed to buy a new phone just to get the latest and greatest.
So with that being said, why buy the latest Nexus device when I'm reality it isn't any better than devices which are already available?
I know some of you may be Nexus fanboys and not agree with anything I've said, but I'm hoping that some of you agree just so I know that I'm not the only person who isn't being hypnotized by the word 'Nexus'.
As I said at the top of this post, I'm leaving this as a discussion so if anyone would like to add anything extra or disagree with what I've said, then you can feel free to do so.
But whatever you do, DON'T TROLL OR FLAME OTHER PEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM!
Agree with all of the above! I'm getting it to replace my GNex.. it's a better device and I don't need two Nexuses
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True most other phones have similar specs (lol dnt want a nexus 4 anymore)
any suggestions??
My first real Android experience has been with the Nexus S 4G about one year ago today actually... i replaced my iPhone 3GS...
Being my first android experience, i didn't know what android offered until i physically had the phone in my hands... i had it for two weeks before deciding to root it and try out the latest Android at the time, 4.0 ICS... fell in LOVE with my phone after that... i only realized other Carriers/manufacturers added their own version of android after i got used to ICS and started looking for other devices to upgrade to... once i became educated with android, i realized that i got extremely lucky with my first android experience/purchase... because not only were other devices not officially updated to ICS, but the rollout of ICS took a very long time to even start getting stable ports/builds from developers... the skin thing also turned me off from wanting another device...
Simply put, even tho my phone is rooted, i can only vouch for devices that come with pure Google experience as that was my first real android experience... someone will say that you can always root your device and update as developers push out there latest ROMs for other devices... but i can't promote that to my friends/family that don't even know what rooting means (like myself before)...
i strongly promote the Galaxy S3... in fact just yesterday someone posted on Facebook asking if they should get the gs3 or iPhone 5... i was surprised to see out of around 20 replies, only 2 said to get the iPhone 5... i said gs3 but i also mentioned the Nexus 4 and its amazing price point... she looked it up but liked the gs3 look more... today she bought the gs3 because of that and because the N4 isn't available yet...
Before, if anyone asked me what phone to get, I immediately said the gs3 hands down... now my response is Nexus 4... i prefer the sleek/clean look and curved glass of the Nexus devices... the gs3 would be great IMO if it didn't have hard keys like back/home/menu at the bottom... so with that, the N4 looks better to me than any other device out there... i also loved the look of the Gnex... sadly, that one lacked in specs for me to upgrade my ns4g... and sadly the N4 lacks CDMA/LTE support for me to upgrade... now I'm kinda stuck as to what now?
Hope that was a civil response you want in this thread
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FangV said:
True most other phones have similar specs (lol dnt want a nexus 4 anymore)
any suggestions??
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Ask in this thread mate
the1dynasty said:
My first real Android experience has been with the Nexus S 4G about one year ago today actually... i replaced my iPhone 3GS...
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I can understand why some would want the pure Google experience, but there are ROMs which provide an extremely close experience anyway. Plus with the added features they have, it seems like the logical choice to go for custom ROMs, at least in my opinion.
If you use the thread linked above, you'll be able to ask there about what device to get next if you're not too sure.
And yeah, that response was all good
Galaxy S3 was a lot slower and laggy compared to my gnex. Went back to my gnex after a week. I buy the nexus for the pure android. Its smoother, cleaner, quicker and just better.
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Galaxy S3 was a lot slower and laggy compared to my gnex. Went back to my gnex after a week. I buy the nexus for the pure android. Its smoother, cleaner, quicker and just better.
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Yeah.. noticed the same when comparing JB on my S3 to JB on my Nexus..
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Ask in this thread mate
I can understand why some would want the pure Google experience, but there are ROMs which provide an extremely close experience anyway. Plus with the added features they have, it seems like the logical choice to go for custom ROMs, at least in my opinion.
If you use the thread linked above, you'll be able to ask there about what device to get next if you're not too sure.
And yeah, that response was all good
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I know custom ROMs are available for other devices... but the only other phone on my radar was the gs3 but I hated those buttons... i enabled the on screen buttons on my ns4g and my kernel let's me dim the light on the capacitive buttons so its like they're not even there anymore lol... i lost some screen real estate but no biggie really...
I was really looking forward to the next nexus and was really disappointed to hear no CDMA/LTE support being that i have unlimited with Sprint now and I'm gonna be switching to a special unlimited plan with Verizon in a month or so... i really wanted to continue using nexus devices but looks like I'll have to go elsewhere for now... luckily, I'm content with this ns4g being that i got it tuned nearly perfect for good performance... the SD read is still a bit slow tho... i can survive until something wets my appetite again like the N4... or I'll just get the SGS4 if nothing comes out before then...
Btw, I'm on 4.1.2 right now running most apps from 4.2 system dump... so this 2year old phone can even take photosphere, and quite well i might add... no rush to upgrade devices... if rather put that money to getting the Nexus 10
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Another reason is that all of the hardwares of Nexus devices are guaranteed to be open, unlike most Samsung touchwiz devices.
Another one is that new nexus devices are all have insanely low prices as they are subsidized by Google.
Also, now nexus devices have the greatest fastest socs in the market. Just look at nexus 4's S4 pro and nexus 10's Exynos 5.
In response to your opinion,
1. Not all nexus devices have great build quality, especially those ones made by Samsung. But in my opinion, all nexus devices have great design and look. Just look at the nexus 4. It's one of the most gorgeous phones in the planet.
2. For your information, the development of the Galaxy s2 is now dead. Also, the galaxy s3 is almost dead. Those are caused by their closed source drivers.
3. Nexus devices are the first to get the STABLE, latest android version.
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The reason is that the Nexus line keeps choices simple. Also, they don't have bloat (TouchWiz, Sense, etc) - and don't say get an AOSP ROM. I have heard that they are nothing but trouble. I quite like the idea of my tablet looking like it's running the same OS as my phone. And personally, the Nexus 4 is the best looking phone out there IMO, even compared to the iPhone 5 and the Samsung S3 (the style/position of the home button killed that design). I really like the UI design of stock Android too, it's not childish or cutesy looking like the bloat or iOS. I'm into the whole 'sci-fi' theme of it.
Also, looking at most other phones, they generally fall short in certain areas, whereas the Nexus devices as of late are looking relatively well considered. After using a Galaxy Nexus, I despise the current state of AMOLED tech. That rules out almost every Samsung phone under the sun. HTC One Xes supposedly have sucky battery life (plus, Tegra 3 vs a quadcore Snapdragon simply isn't a competition at all), and I've decided that lasting less than 5 hours with the screen on (for any mobile device, tablet, phone, whatever) just isn't good enough anymore.
Tablet-wise, for an Android tablet, there is no comparison to the upcoming Nexus 10. The Note sucks and the Infinity really sucks. The iPad wants you to get into the whole Apple ecosystem with Macs and iPhones to really get the best out of things like iCloud and whatnot, and Mac sucks for software & games.
The only real competitor to a Nexus is Windows 8 and WP8, which both look great (better than Android except for the whole 'Bing' thing) but their ecosystems aren't ready for real use yet. I have to say, the Lumia 920 is packing some awesome technology, and with the winter season coming I would really appreciate the touch screen you can use with gloves on. Not to mention the typical Nokia build quality, plus it seems to have everything covered.
The Nexus phones are the quickest to get updates and don't have any OEM skins or bloatware that is forced on the users. While an AOSP ROM can be ported to any phone in theory, it takes time and there are usually hardware issues due to closed source or unavailable drivers, and also locked bootloaders.
The problem with the Nexus line is its sort of like Apple's devices in the sense that there is limited hardware choice and device's memory can't be expanded. My personal hardware tastes are for a smaller device with no more than a 4.3" screen and it must have a microSD slot. I'll put up with OEM skins, bloatware can be frozen with root, as hardware is more important to me than software. But everyone it entitled to their own opinions and preferences.
Nexus phones do have bloat. Google+, google currents, Google earth, google movies, Google books, etc. All /system apps that can't be removed. Most of them are useless.
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Personally running Slim on my S3 is fast enough for me and my aged brain, any faster and I can't keep up!
Add to that my phone is my main music player hooked up to amp and speakers, I love that I can dual boot to get Samsung best bits(few!)
Not worried about lte
Glass back may be stylish.....but is utterly stupid on a phone.
......I am stupid!.....the reasoning?..... .this is all my opinion, nobody is really interested, and I'm not really interested in theirs......ergot......I MUST be stupid for posting in first place.....
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Nexus phones do have bloat. Google+, google currents, Google earth, google movies, Google books, etc. All /system apps that can't be removed. Most of them are useless.
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Was that your final answer? I use most of those... and last I checked, u can go to the play store and uninstall all of them... don't even need root if I'm not mistaken...
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KidCarter93 said:
If you ask one of those people why a Nexus is so great, they'll say one of three things or a mix of the three.
The reasons are;
1) All Nexus devices look great and have great build quality.
2) It's guaranteed to have great developer support.
3) It's officially supported by Google so it will get the latest Android updates before any other device.
Now, let me tell you my response to each of those points...
1) Most Nexus devices don't look great. The only one which looks good, in my opinion, is the Nexus 7. Apart from that, none of them look any better than other devices around.
2) Yes it will have great developer support, but so do a lot of phones which are already around and have been for ages now. An example of that is the Galaxy S2. It's been around for over a year and a half and it still has more development than most phones do
3) Again, this is true. But they're not the only devices to get the Android updates quickly. This site has a smattering of great developers so it will never take long for other devices to get the latest versions, and you haven't even needed to buy a new phone just to get the latest and greatest.
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1) I'll agree not all Nexus look great, though that's a real personal preference thing. I for one, would prefer the Nexus one look over the Nexus s. I currently own a Gnex and I'd be honest in saying it looks alright, but I would like some changes made (Nexus 4, comes close)
2) To be fair, of course the S2 (and noteably other handsets) will have a large dev support, in terms of quantity they sell a lot more than the Nexus family (exception of the Nexus 7, that's the first Nexus priced aggressively)
3) Quick =/= first to get updates. Some people just want the newest FIRST.
I personally choose the nexus because I don't want to be caught with a device that will have a short support life (mentioned above). History shows the Nexus WILL have the most official updates:
Nexus one: Shipped with Eclair, last official version was GB
Nexus S: Shipped with GB, officially supported till Jelly bean
Gnex: Don't know yet, but its gone from ICS to JB.
If you go to dev section, there are even newer (unofficial builds) I don't buy phones every year so I want a phone that will last me 2 years at least.
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What is the best device for developing ROMs/Flashing Custom ROMs/Rooting/Has the best support?
I'd like to get started with developing more and I'm going to start buy porting CM12 to a device that is my daily driver for now, but what device should I get that will allow me to maximize on rooting and developing ROMs/Porting features to it.
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It is Nexus phone
Nexus phones are made specially for developers. Plus you have a factory image which you can write if something went wrong. Custom ROMs are always on the mark on this phone. And you'll get the earliest update.
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Nexus 5 and OnePlus One. Both have the advantage over the Nexus 6 in being compatible with KitKat ROMs. The Nexus 5 will have the advantage over the OnePlus One in terms of speed of updates, but that isn't to say that the OPO will be far behind. The OPO is a better phone; better camera, bigger battery, better hardware, etc.
I believe I'll add the HTC One M8 & M9 devices to @Planterz' list.
Usually any Nexus and more importantly XDA!
KingInTheNorth said:
What is the best device for developing ROMs/Flashing Custom ROMs/Rooting/Has the best support?
I'd like to get started with developing more and I'm going to start buy porting CM12 to a device that is my daily driver for now, but what device should I get that will allow me to maximize on rooting and developing ROMs/Porting features to it.
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all nexus devices are best for development as it is vanilla android, but u could also go for any Samsung devices as there is not much concept of unlocking bootloader.
I am a flashaholic, and I'm always looking for new kernels and ROMs to flash, but my current phone isn't that popular among devs. So I'm looking for phones that have lots of ROMs and kernels available to flash. What are your suggestions? Thank you in advance
Go for Google devices, they are the easiest to work with. The Pixel line is too new, if you need to flash. We just got root today, so no ROMS available yet. All of the Nexus phones have tons of ROMs to play with, and probably the least amount bugs too.
Nexus Nexus Nexus....
Nexus phones, or maybe one plus phones