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[Q] Difference between SHIP S-OFF and ENG S-OFF

I bought a used Inspire 4G , and I notice it states SHIP S-OFF, so I am wondering whats the difference between SHIP S-OFF and ENG S-OFF? Can I flash any Inspire 4G ROMs for SHIP S-OFF? ( I did flash Andriod Rev)

ronan_zj said:
I bought a used Inspire 4G , and I notice it states SHIP S-OFF, so I am wondering whats the difference between SHIP S-OFF and ENG S-OFF? Can I flash any Inspire 4G ROMs for SHIP S-OFF? ( I did flash Andriod Rev)
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You can flash ROMs with S-off like you have now if you're rooted. ENG off is for flashing a new radio. Before you even think about flashing a new radio, read everything possible on here about it. It can be very risky and leave you with a bricked Inspire. Be aware of that before you dive into that ball pit.

Specifically, SHIP=Shipping bootloader
ENG=Engineering bootloader. Use ENG at your own risk.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App

thanks mrro82

mrro82 said:
You can flash ROMs with S-off like you have now if you're rooted. ENG off is for flashing a new radio. Before you even think about flashing a new radio, read everything possible on here about it. It can be very risky and leave you with a bricked Inspire. Be aware of that before you dive into that ball pit.
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You do not need eng s-off to flash radio firmware updates. Use the method in the hack kit as an example of how to do it with only radio s-off and a shipping hboot. It's easy, safer and more reliable than fastboot flashing.
The main advantage to eng hboot is for developers testing kernels. You can safely fastboot boot images. The average user has no good reason to be fooling with fastboot flash.

ronan_zj said:
I bought a used Inspire 4G , and I notice it states SHIP S-OFF, so I am wondering whats the difference between SHIP S-OFF and ENG S-OFF? Can I flash any Inspire 4G ROMs for SHIP S-OFF? ( I did flash Andriod Rev)
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Ok - this is a great post because I need to return my Inspire to stock. When I go to bootloader I have:
ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF
I'm still rooted because I want to use my Inspire for another couple of weeks before returning. I also have gotten rid of Radio S-Off because I'm not gonna flash any radio's from the stock one that I'm using now.
Is the above bootloader what the stock bootloader came with ?? In other words , if I flash over a stock RUU will I be ready for return ? I just can't remember what my bootloader said when I bought it (I would assume it was "S-On")

jcrompton said:
Ok - this is a great post because I need to return my Inspire to stock. When I go to bootloader I have:
ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF
I'm still rooted because I want to use my Inspire for another couple of weeks before returning. I also have gotten rid of Radio S-Off because I'm not gonna flash any radio's from the stock one that I'm using now.
Is the above bootloader what the stock bootloader came with ?? In other words , if I flash over a stock RUU will I be ready for return ? I just can't remember what my bootloader said when I bought it (I would assume it was "S-On")
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I doubt that most reps would check if your phone had S-off in the boot loader. As long as you have the stock rom on the phone when you return it in case they look at the functionality I pretty sure you are ok anyway.
Why bring it back though? What are you picking up instead?

Can someone post a tutorial on how to get radio s-off? Do you need to go back to complete stock?
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

anaphora68 said:
Can someone post a tutorial on how to get radio s-off? Do you need to go back to complete stock?
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
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s-off, or s-on? To get s-off, just follow the hack kit instructions.

I did follow the hack kit. What I'm trying to do is get radio s-off. What I'm asking is, should I follow the hack kit, and then restore the Desire HD stock ROM and run the Desire HD hacks for radio s-off?

so i have eng s-off and flashed a new radio, is there any danger of having eng s-off if it is not tinkered with?

Why do all of my questions go unanswered? Do i smell bad?

anaphora68 said:
I did follow the hack kit. What I'm trying to do is get radio s-off. What I'm asking is, should I follow the hack kit, and then restore the Desire HD stock ROM and run the Desire HD hacks for radio s-off?
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You've lost me. If you followed the hack kit, then you should have radio s-off already and have a rooted ROM with the ability to run most any "hack" you want.
If you've followed the hack kit and are rooted and now want to go back to stock with radio security back on, then that's something entirely different.

mj0528 said:
so i have eng s-off and flashed a new radio, is there any danger of having eng s-off if it is not tinkered with?
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There shouldn't be. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the danger is in what you can accidentally mess up through bootloader commands when you have eng s-off. Normal flashing of ROMs, ect. shouldn't pose any threat.
mj0528 said:
Why do all of my questions go unanswered? Do i smell bad?
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I don't know, and not from here.

IsraelR said:
There shouldn't be. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the danger is in what you can accidentally mess up through bootloader commands when you have eng s-off. Normal flashing of ROMs, ect. shouldn't pose any threat.
I don't know, and not from here.
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Thanks man!

Finally got it working. I re-ran the hack-kit.
Just flashed the newest test radio (running CM7 test 22) and I have to say, the speeds, up and down, are amazingly fast compared to the stock radio. I'll post more impressions later.
Also picked up a 1600MAH battery. So far, so good.

anaphora68 said:
Finally got it working. I re-ran the hack-kit.
Just flashed the newest test radio (running CM7 test 22) and I have to say, the speeds, up and down, are amazingly fast compared to the stock radio. I'll post more impressions later.
Also picked up a 1600MAH battery. So far, so good.
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Where did you get the battery?

Did a search on ebay. It's a 1600mah Desire HD battery replacement. So far, so good.

Hey fellas I want to try a different radio and this is where my search led me so can someone tell me where or how to get ENG-OFF on this device?Apparently S-OFF isn't enough to flash a new radio.I get the error FAILED...Any help would be awesome.Thanks!Oh yeah...Inspire 4G CM7 Nightly...

ryanoption said:
Hey fellas I want to try a different radio and this is where my search led me so can someone tell me where or how to get ENG-OFF on this device?Apparently S-OFF isn't enough to flash a new radio.I get the error FAILED...Any help would be awesome.Thanks!Oh yeah...Inspire 4G CM7 Nightly...
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You don't NEED ENG S-Off to flash a radio
See this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002226) thread
You can just use a PD98IMG.zip and flash through HBoot - much safer this way. If you really want, here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855403) is the one click ENG S-Off tool

[GUIDE] Simple ENG S-OFF

Edit: This method will most likely require radio s-off to work. Not as useful as I thought first but still less hassle if you often switch from ruu stock to custom roms.
Hi all.
I recently wanted to go from stock 1.72 to CM7 and didn't want to go through downgrades etc. so I simply took a test PD98IMG.zip and removed everything except the hboot (which is eng s-off) and placed on the SD-card. I then rebooted into bootloader and it flashed the new hboot for me. It was then easy to flash recovery using fastboot.
Since it was so easy and I didn't manage to find this method described I decided to create this thread. Feel free to move/remove if this is old news.
I tested this on my phone several times using the zip below. I do however not guarantee anything.
peace!
Instructions:
1. Download file PD98IMG.zip.
(md5 01f950f719cf12d8c39d62b513203789)
2. Copy to SD-card.
3. Reboot to bootloader ("adb reboot-bootloader" or restart phone with volume down pressed)
4. Follow on-screen instructions

Guess if it will work, it's gonna be much more simpler to downgrade our HDs! Thanks a lot mate, thumbs up for the great idea!!

Was your phone radio s-off? If it was not, this is great news, and a big big mistake from HTC But I have to say, it sounds pretty unbelievable that they would sign an engineering hboot..
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

jkoljo said:
Was your phone radio s-off? If it was not, this is great news, and a big big mistake from HTC But I have to say, it sounds pretty unbelievable that they would sign an engineering hboot..
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
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You're most likely right as my phone was in fact Radio S-OFF already. It still helps when switching from stock ruu to custom roms for us with radio s-off though.

Yep, that's what I thought. With radio s-off + root it is a 10 second deal to make ENG S-OFF with my tool, but this definitely helps people who do not have root.

Bit off topic but I got recovery and I got s-on now and I can still flash custom roms in on coredroid v6 have I done something because I still got s-on
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This worked wonderfully!!! Thank you!!!!

[Q] S-on after s-off

So I am as excited as everyone else about s-off. Been waiting for awhile, but in the haste of everyone rooting their phone, I haven't been able to find a thread about restoring s-on in case of warranty work. Have I over looked something?

lots of views but no comments. This is from the IRC if interested
<splayer7> sorry if this has been asked, but what about resuming s-on for warranty work?
<hyuh> splayer7: no, not available

splayer7 said:
lots of views but no comments. This is from the IRC if interested
<splayer7> sorry if this has been asked, but what about resuming s-on for warranty work?
<hyuh> splayer7: no, not available
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Exactly what has been said. There is no unrooting or S-On restoring at this time. I would just wait if you haven't already. HTC Released their source codes today. Its only a matter of time before an easier root is available with unroot, and S-on.

Was told that we could s-on by running the RUU. Here's a link to some I've found but haven't tested any of this. http://droidangel.blogspot.com/2011/06/htc-sensation-ruushipped-roms-packaged.html

kevinliu2336 said:
Was told that we could s-on by running the RUU. Here's a link to some I've found but haven't tested any of this. http://droidangel.blogspot.com/2011/06/htc-sensation-ruushipped-roms-packaged.html
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do we have any confirmation on this working correctly

Tried it, resets your ROM but doesn't reset s-off

Guys.. There is about a 25% chance at best that HTC will actually check the boot loader status before providing warranty service. Even if you are unlucky and they do, if you make enough noise they might make an exception and let you off the hook. I think that as long as the issue that you are trying to resolve isn't a direct result of s-off or root, it should be fine.

splayer7 said:
So I am as excited as everyone else about s-off. Been waiting for awhile, but in the haste of everyone rooting their phone, I haven't been able to find a thread about restoring s-on in case of warranty work. Have I over looked something?
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Flash an official RUU, and the device will be S-ON! TESTED!

lge73 said:
Flash an official RUU, and the device will be S-ON! TESTED!
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Are you sure man? Somebody else above tested and found the opposite..

If the ruu is left untampered with, the boot image will be replaced with a stock one. Boot image is where your s-off lives. So in theory it should without a doubt work. You just have to make sure the boot image is in the ruu

smoochiezz24 said:
If the ruu is left untampered with, the boot image will be replaced with a stock one. Boot image is where your s-off lives. So in theory it should without a doubt work. You just have to make sure the boot image is in the ruu
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I used the rom.zip file included in an untouched RUU, and I checked it includes HBOOT, also saw version change when I went into HBOOT.
It does NOT reset S-OFF back to S-ON.
I dont know if when you flash it reads S-OFF so keeps it, for users who genuinely had S-OFF?

I have personally tested this, and can confirm that using HTC's stock RUU does not return the phone to S-ON. However, it did remove the top area that says revolutionary, so now it appears as though I have a factory S-OFF device
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

bummer.. I really hope there is a way to reverse s-off, just in case. but then again, I do have insurance so I guess I could say it was 'stolen' if I really need to get it replaced

prank1 said:
For those worrying about warranty issues..
You can try flashing the correct RUU for your phone.
IF that doesn't get rid of -revolutionary- s-off, then you can flash the ENG HBOOT (which gets rid of -revolutionary- but gives you ENG S-OFF) then you can flash the correct RUU for your region (which will definitely get rid of ENG S-OFF, and make you official stock HBOOT S-ON)
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Try flashing ENG HBOOT, then the RUU afterwards.
I am going to try to get my phone back to S-ON now, just to test everything
EDIT
Hmm, very odd indeed, after flashing the RUU I have 'stock' Radio S-OFF (no -Revolutionary-) , I tried fastboot oem write secuflag 1 and fastboot oem writecid HTC__001 but I am still Radio S-OFF.
Just so people know, flashing full RUUs, even HBOOTs do NOT get rid of Radio S-OFF. Thats why it is favored by people, it can only be turned S-ON specifically by tools which may be released for the Sensation in the near future. I thought these tools only sent the commands that I tried to change the Radio security status. It would appear not.
However
There is no need to worry, Radio S-OFF probably won't void your warranty (if you sent it to a HTC repair center), as long as you have the correct CID and ROM installed you should be fine.
If I remember correctly, with the past Android phones, some people randomly got S-OFF (like sensation users did) out of the box. The HTC repair center didn't care. They don't like custom ROMs, custom HBOOTs, rooted ROMs, etc

[Q] H-boot version changed once I flashed a rom normal?

my h-boot version was 18 then when i flashed android revolution rom it went to a 17. (not exact numbers but thats not really the point) I was just wondering what the H-boot version really has to do with my device itself. Or would i need to be able to switch it back to original state at some point

rddocke said:
my h-boot version was 18 then when i flashed android revolution rom it went to a 17. (not exact numbers but thats not really the point) I was just wondering what the H-boot version really has to do with my device itself. Or would i need to be able to switch it back to original state at some point
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Hboot is on a separate partition than rom. When you go from stock to rooted your hboot might change, depending on the root method.
Flashing a rom won't change it. Reverting to stock with an ruu will.
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rddocke said:
my h-boot version was 18 then when i flashed android revolution rom it went to a 17. (not exact numbers but thats not really the point) I was just wondering what the H-boot version really has to do with my device itself. Or would i need to be able to switch it back to original state at some point
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You're good to go, that's how's it suppose to be. Make sure you have supercid, and also if you have time search in devolpement section for Bin4ry and flash Eng Hboot to be safe.

epsix said:
You're good to go, that's how's it suppose to be. Make sure you have supercid, and also if you have time search in devolpement section for Bin4ry and flash Eng Hboot to be safe.
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Thanks for4 the replies guys i havent messed with CID yet or Eng. currently running ARHD 3.6.0 i havent had any troubles rooting or flashing and speeds seem to be doing well.. i am still working on maximizing my battery life. its good i get about 15 hours when im not on wifi.
but how will Eng and CID help out?

Those are just gonna help you in the long run without bricking your phone if you do alot of flashing. Nothing to do with battery. Lol
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rddocke said:
Thanks for4 the replies guys i havent messed with CID yet or Eng. currently running ARHD 3.6.0 i havent had any troubles rooting or flashing and speeds seem to be doing well.. i am still working on maximizing my battery life. its good i get about 15 hours when im not on wifi.
but how will Eng and CID help out?
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Engineering hboot allows you to flash recovery and radio at a more basic level and can help you recover from a ****ed up state in some cases. Good idea to have.
Super CID just allows you to flash an ruu from another carrier and is completely unnecessary if you're flashing custom roms.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using xda premium

epsix said:
Those are just gonna help you in the long run without bricking your phone if you do alot of flashing. Nothing to do with battery. Lol
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715e using XDA Premium App
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Hmm I'll look into it some more got any referrals for my research?
And ya I was just making a comment on my battery life I didn't think any of this would have an effect on battery life. Just pointing out successes. Fortunately haven't faced too difficult a situation with the sensation.
Now the galaxy s 2 on group via mini kies, bow that was a pain. Again thanks

Phateless said:
Engineering hboot allows you to flash recovery and radio at a more basic level and can help you recover from a ****ed up state in some cases. Good idea to have.
Super CID just allows you to flash an ruu from another carrier and is completely unnecessary if you're flashing custom roms.
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I mean how much more basic could it get then flashing under CWM? If there's a simpler way I'm all for it lol.
But seriously ill look into it some more I just figured dont fix what ain't broken you know?

Flashing the radio/recovery isn't done via CWM - it's done using fastboot commands

EddyOS said:
Flashing the radio/recovery isn't done via CWM - it's done using fastboot commands
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I was speaking of simplicity in general I'm just curiouse to what this more basic level would be. I did just fine with the flashing of o_10.58.9035.00U_10.15.9035.02_2 without adb

rddocke said:
I was speaking of simplicity in general I'm just curiouse to what this more basic level would be. I did just fine with the flashing of o_10.58.9035.00U_10.15.9035.02_2 without adb
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It provides you some extra options if something goes wrong.

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It provides you some extra options if something goes wrong.
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Ok cool thanks boss.
Is there anything to look for in a radio or zip before flashing that would tip me off to potential brickage or do you have to kinda just experience it?

rddocke said:
Ok cool thanks boss.
Is there anything to look for in a radio or zip before flashing that would tip me off to potential brickage or do you have to kinda just experience it?
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Make SURE it's the right radio for your device and check md5sum. Do a google search, md5sum is easy.
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Phateless said:
Make SURE it's the right radio for your device and check md5sum. Do a google search, md5sum is easy.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using xda premium
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Gotcha thanks. Also I'm sure there is a difference between eng s-off and the s-off using revolutionary.io since your here and we talkin about it, you have a definition for me in basic terms? Perhaps a link to someplace? I been looking in google but they start talking about ship s-off and radio s-off, I'm not sure what s-off I've done. I just knew it was necessary before perm rooting.

rddocke said:
Gotcha thanks. Also I'm sure there is a difference between eng s-off and the s-off using revolutionary.io since your here and we talkin about it, you have a definition for me in basic terms? Perhaps a link to someplace? I been looking in google but they start talking about ship s-off and radio s-off, I'm not sure what s-off I've done. I just knew it was necessary before perm rooting.
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Revolutionary does radio s-off which means the phone itself has security turned off and whatever hboot you have will display that. Eng s-off means the hboot is allowing the security bypass. Ship s-off just means it came that way from factory.
My understanding is somewhat rudimentary so I would appreciate one of the elders stepping in to clarify if I've missed anything.
We need s-off to give hboot permission to flash a custom recovery. Then we use the custom recovery because it permits us to make changes to the firmware, like the update that gave us root access.
The hierarchy goes radio, hboot, recovery, rom. Each is on a separate partition.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using xda premium

Phateless said:
Revolutionary does radio s-off which means the phone itself has security turned off and whatever hboot you have will display that. Eng s-off means the hboot is allowing the security bypass. Ship s-off just means it came that way from factory.
My understanding is somewhat rudimentary so I would appreciate one of the elders stepping in to clarify if I've missed anything.
We need s-off to give hboot permission to flash a custom recovery. Then we use the custom recovery because it permits us to make changes to the firmware, like the update that gave us root access.
The hierarchy goes radio, hboot, recovery, rom. Each is on a separate partition.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using xda premium
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Wow ok that was very helpful. Looks like this is turning into quite a decent thread. I appreciate you for your knowledge spread.
I would like to see (as you put it) one of the elders step in here with their feedback as well.
I'm gonna go ahead and move to the next step (eng) and see where that will take me in my adventures of the sensation.
I am also interested to hear from other members about their achievements with their devices as far as CPU speeds and of the many tricks that can performed by the sensation. I find myself searching for that info all day.

[Q] Help With RUU or S-OFF, Stuck at ICS S-ON

So I flashed the ICS OTA to see if my signal improved, and it was the same so I wish to install ARHD ICS but cannot without S-OFF and S-OFF is just all round useful.
I'm still S-ON with 1.27 hboot, and have managed to install ARHD but still S-ON. Does anyone know a way to get back to GB stock or S-OFF 1.27. I have tried an RUU but it always fails, and using A PG85IMG.zip doesn't work (just stays on parsing or reboots a lot).
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated and will do all I can to help myself and you guys.
Thank you.

Bump, really need help. I can't flash anything from bootloader, not RUU.zip or firmware, it just reboots or says parsing for a long time. Really need to fix this.

You can't S-OFF 1.27 yet

EddyOS said:
You can't S-OFF 1.27 yet
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I understand that, but is there no way to get the phone into a state where I can use an RUU to downgrade to gingerbread? Like, at all?

No, as you don't have S-OFF
Although I believe a guide is being written to 'brick' the phone on purpose so you can downgrade it but it's not ready yet (not my work)

EddyOS said:
No, as you don't have S-OFF
Although I believe a guide is being written to 'brick' the phone on purpose so you can downgrade it but it's not ready yet (not my work)
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Alright thanks man I've seen your posts a lot so I trust you know your stuff a lot.
Guess I will stick with this for the time being, at least my phone works now.. kind of haha.