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The dual-form nature of this item would fit a dual-boot scenario perfectly. Boot into Android when used as a tablet, boot into Ubuntu when docked. Just curious as to the possibility of this.
As far as I know, Ubuntu supports ARM architecture, so the Tegra 2 chip should work well with it. Ubuntu 11.04 was just released with the integrated Unity interface, which looks wonderful with the touchscreen: http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/utouch/
The Unity 2D interface should fly on the Tegra 2, even if the Unity 3D mode lags.
Now I know that on the Xoom, we were able to run Ubuntu on a VNC server and connect to it locally, but that is obviously not an ideal solution, due to VNC's weakness, and the general inefficiency of it.
Are there any devs working on something like this so far? I am sure there would be a very sizable audience for something like this. I'd be happy to do any necessary testing, and I'm sure more will as well. I also wouldn't mind taking this as an opportunity to get involved with the dev community (I have a thorough background in CS, just no experience with this specifically), I'd be happy if anyone were to take me under their wing. =)
You're not the only one hoping for this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1053641
I was just thinking about this yesterday. Dual booting Ubuntu and Android would make this the perfect device for me.
i would also love the ability to run linux on mine
I'm tempted to wait until this is guaranteed to happen before buying this thing. I need a new portable device for developing on the go, and I also want and need a Honeycomb device for testing apps and casual content consumption.
At the same time though, if anyone knows of a site or thread dedicated to making this dual-boot happen (similar to the dedicated Toshiba AC100 page here http://tosh-ac100.wetpaint.com/page/Ubuntu ), I wouldn't mind learning all about it and potentially help if I can, so please share.
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There are some devs who definitely pulled this off on the Atrix and I had Ubuntu on my phone so I'm sure we can get it on the transformer. I'll try to find them and see if similar methods can be used.
It'll take years but I don't see why it wouldn't work. If I can do this on my old ass wm6.5 phone then it's possible on the TF!
Maybe it wont take years, but more of these tablets have to hit the market. Still so many people waiting on their preorders, me included.
I think that there might be quite the interest in making this happen. I remember reading somewhere that Ubuntu allready runs on the Tegra2, so why should it be far into the future before we see it running on the Transformer?
Sorry for any typos. I have fat fingers, a 4" screen, a small child and a dictionary gone wild...
here's to hoping
So far i'm quite impressed with this little tablet. It crunches bytes as fast as i can throw them, and customizing it was easy enough. Although with the dock station and Tegra 2 it does feel more like a netbook than a tablet.
Android 3.0 IMO is the best compromise between a desktop and mobile phone OS. Although it's expandability is not quite what i would wish it to be. Possibly once more developers gear their programs for the higher resolutions and more powerful CPUs this will change. For now dual booting Ubuntu and Android would be perfect.
I'm on board with any project coming about to make this happen, and would offer up my hardware and feedback for beta testing. Hope to see a dedication in this direction soon!
Has anyone tried the method in the xoom development forums?
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gordec said:
Has anyone tried the method in the xoom development forums?
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I haven't seen the post, but I'm assuming you mean VNC?
Zach Alt said:
I haven't seen the post, but I'm assuming you mean VNC?
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Yeah, it's VNC. That's not that hard, we're talking about straight booting INTO Ubuntu.
i have this image from my desire, which boots linux xlde (or something) i cant get it to connect to that image. Pockecloud just get Server disconnected.... maybe another image.. actually that was loading it from removable MicroSD, im now going to try copying to the internal memory "SDCARD" as that would be what the script would have orignally been setup for. I will post results as soon as this has finished pasting the files...
EDIT: still cant get this to work, seems like terminal is ending too quickly which i think means the loopback memory doesnt work, i think thats how it works anyway.
No lock with WYSE pocket cloud or android vnc, i think we need another build for honeycomb, well not so much the OS but the Tegra chip instead.
ubuntuforums.org
There is a thread over at ubuntuforums.org regarding this matter, though they have a different take on it.
One of the posts state:
Re: Asus Eee Pad Transformer
I plan to get one (not available in my region yet, plus I hear there'll be a 3G version next quarter) and install Ubuntu on it, albeit with KDE/Gnome instead of Unity.
There's not technical reason it can't run Ubuntu, it's just a matter of getting the boot loader working. The instructions seem simple enough, although dual booting with Android might be a little more challenging.
If anyone does get one and install Ubuntu on it, please let us know how it goes.
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Maybe it's not all that farfetched getting Ubuntu to run on this device, or any other Tegra2 base tablet.
The original thread can be found at:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741103&highlight=eee+pad+transformer&page=1
looks like dual booting may be fairly difficult; I wouldn't mind soloing ubuntu touch os on mine...
I think dual booting may be difficult, but I think chain booting (right terminology?) from Android first and then into Ubuntu would probably be possible.
I don't think many people understand how hard it will be to create a bootable version of Ubuntu. VNCing is easy for the most part.
Would it be possible to use the motorola xoom guide to get ubuntu running with vnc on the eee transformer?
Sorry for any typos. I have fat fingers, a 4" screen, a small child and a dictionary gone wild...
Is the VNC version that bad? Is it very slow or the picture is not full color? I'd like to use it maybe for Open Office (or something lighter) and some programming in text editor.
Looks like there has been significant progress on this. backtrack has been released for arm.. its a security-centric distro, but its built on an ubuntu base.
I'm downloading the img now.. dont know about dual boot though. guess someone needs to port grub over first =)
I cant post links....but a search for 'backtrack5 xoom' should get you there.
Hey guys I've been in and out of the transformer forums mainly because I like where I'm at on my tf300. But since the release of Ubuntu tablet, I was thinking, Could our tablet support a port (or direct build) of Ubuntu tablet?
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Hey guys I've been in and out of the transformer forums mainly because I like where I'm at on my tf300. But since the release of Ubuntu tablet, I was thinking, Could our tablet support a port (or direct build) of Ubuntu tablet?
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yes, but its still in its early development phases so you'll have to wait a while.
Yep you really can't have it yet. You can install vanilla Ubuntu or many other distros though. Heck put Backtrack on it and you'll have a sweet network tool.
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Might be easier than you think
One of the reference platforms for Ubuntu Tablet Edition is the Nexus 7. The TF300T is essentially the same hardware. Heck, even the screen resolution is the same even though it's physically bigger. I plan on giving it a go myself just to see what happens
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One of the reference platforms for Ubuntu Tablet Edition is the Nexus 7. The TF300T is essentially the same hardware. Heck, even the screen resolution is the same even though it's physically bigger. I plan on giving it a go myself just to see what happens
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Hi I've just tried this using VMware Workstation and the pass-thru works find but Linux knows your device is TF300 so it doesn't let you install it.
Guess we are going to have find a way to make Ubuntu think your device is a Nexus 10 to install
Can you just edit the build.prop to trick it into thinking its a Nexus 7? I have done this on my Note 2 in order ti get PS Touch.
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Just installed ubuntu on my tablet, and still getting used to linux, but I wanted to know, even if pure speculation, will ubuntu touch be possible on the TF700? I am sort of regretting getting my android tablet, due the lack of the ability to multi window. I hope that ubuntu will help me there for when i need it, but Id really like to know if I possibly could get my tablet to do all the fancy stuff they were doing in that video.
For those who havent seen it, here is the article:
http://phandroid.com/2013/02/19/ubuntu-touch-for-nexus-tablets/
Yes, it should be possible. Canonical is releasing a porting guide on Ubuntuwiki 22 Feb 13. I know this weekend end I will be working on porting it this weekend. I know Rabits will probably be working with it also.
Don't expect a whole lot as of now it is still in alpha stages of development. I was reading that the next few updates will be based off of 13.04, which should bring some improvements in speed and memory management. I have been running 13.04 on a laptop and it is a lot smoother and faster then 12.10.
Sounds sweet, very excited
I heard ubuntu is officially being ported to phones, from factory. I was wondering if anyone might work on a port for the p500? Also, as a sidenote, i technically have a p509 but since i flashed the baseband and did something else it always says its a p500 in my settings. Is this an issue? When flashing roms does it matter if i pick p500 or p509 roms?
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I heard ubuntu is officially being ported to phones, from factory. I was wondering if anyone might work on a port for the p500? Also, as a sidenote, i technically have a p509 but since i flashed the baseband and did something else it always says its a p500 in my settings. Is this an issue? When flashing roms does it matter if i pick p500 or p509 roms?
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The p500 doesn't have enough juice to fully enjoy Ubuntu. Especially with unity.
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ok, and what do u think the cheapest phone that will be able to run it smoothly will be? preferably a tmobile or att&t as im with straight talk.
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ok, and what do u think the cheapest phone that will be able to run it smoothly will be? preferably a tmobile or att&t as im with straight talk.
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Nexus 4 probably
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ok, and what do u think the cheapest phone that will be able to run it smoothly will be? preferably a tmobile or att&t as im with straight talk.
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Ubuntu was introduced on Galaxy Nexus, witch is a dual core, so I think it will do on every dualcore with 1gb ram to run smooth mobile version of Ubuntu
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The p500 doesn't have enough juice to fully enjoy Ubuntu. Especially with unity.
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Said that about JB. Runs just fine.
Ubuntu and "unity" are basically a launcher and some apps running over a dalvikless CM10.1. There are loads of knockoff launchers on Play to play with and the phone has not problem running them. The "unity" here has little to do with the unity desktop on a desktop. That is based on Gnome-3 while the phone Ubuntu is running QML, QT4. 17 meg library--can compile apps and play with this stuff right now. (Check on kde-apps.org)
Ubuntu will have natively compiled apps instead of the Dalvik-Java mess. If correctly compiled for our hardware, they should run better. Want to try a sample? Install the Vire launcher and see. There is life without Java after all.
However, they will certainly not even think of supplying us with an image. Our heroic young (or older) devs will have to roll their own for us. What I would like to see is a version that has Dalvik. There are (will be for quite a time) just a handful of basic apps for Ubuntu phones and there are just too many useful Android apps to simply abandon. Do not expect to simply run apt-get and use the rich app repository available for Ubuntu/Debian Linux.
However, have a big-enough sdcard (>3 gig to spare, I mean dedicate)? Debian with an Xfce desktop can be installed and used along with Android. Vnc-ing a real desktop. There is an XDA forum for this! Better get swap back into our kernels first!
Canonical only provides images for Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, Nexus 7 and Nexus 10. There are other images from XDA (you can see them in Ubuntu Touch's wiki). There Samsung Galaxy S too.
Anyway, I won't hope. If we haven't Firefox OS which is much more lightful, we won't see Ubuntu.
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Said that about JB. Runs just fine.
Ubuntu and "unity" are basically a launcher and some apps running over a dalvikless CM10.1. There are loads of knockoff launchers on Play to play with and the phone has not problem running them. The "unity" here has little to do with the unity desktop on a desktop. That is based on Gnome-3 while the phone Ubuntu is running QML, QT4. 17 meg library--can compile apps and play with this stuff right now. (Check on kde-apps.org)
Ubuntu will have natively compiled apps instead of the Dalvik-Java mess. If correctly compiled for our hardware, they should run better. Want to try a sample? Install the Vire launcher and see. There is life without Java after all.
However, they will certainly not even think of supplying us with an image. Our heroic young (or older) devs will have to roll their own for us. What I would like to see is a version that has Dalvik. There are (will be for quite a time) just a handful of basic apps for Ubuntu phones and there are just too many useful Android apps to simply abandon. Do not expect to simply run apt-get and use the rich app repository available for Ubuntu/Debian Linux.
However, have a big-enough sdcard (>3 gig to spare, I mean dedicate)? Debian with an Xfce desktop can be installed and used along with Android. Vnc-ing a real desktop. There is an XDA forum for this! Better get swap back into our kernels first!
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I was not talking about Ubuntu touch -___- (it might run Ubuntu touch someday unofficially)
I'm talking about Ubuntu desktop.
I have run Ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 and i do enjoy it. It will be quite good once it moves away from being a chroot over cm.
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I was not talking about Ubuntu touch -___- (it might run Ubuntu touch someday unofficially)
I'm talking about Ubuntu desktop.
I have run Ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 and i do enjoy it. It will be quite good once it moves away from being a chroot over cm.
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According to a linux over android thread, there is no (ready-made) Ubuntu image for Armv6. One can, however install Debian. A full gnome3 (Unity is based on that) or KDE dektop would be to heavy so comes with XFCE or such. Desktop is run using VNC.
Need at least 3gig available on the sdcard to get started.
Best have an Android ROM with swap enabled in the kernel.
Guys, could someone please tell me how ubuntu is going to be different from android in function? I mean in actual use? I'm a newbie......
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Guys, could someone please tell me how ubuntu is going to be different from android in function? I mean in actual use? I'm a newbie......
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read here http://www.ubuntu.com/phone
some interesting thoughts http://www.c-integration.com/blog/s...sons-why-ubuntu-phone-will-never-beat-android
I think that on a tablet, Ubuntu will make sens, but on a phone I am not so sure, maybe on Note2
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http://www.c-integration.com/blog/showpost.php/75-5-reasons-why-ubuntu-phone-can-blow-away-android
to grow up takes time, cheers to UBUNTU, maybe the next step in mobile experience, but in a few years
Thanks bro. That was enlightening
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Trust me I tried Ubuntu on my nexus 4 and was not impressed by their work. Really hard to navigate. And also no apps. Difficult multitasking and so on. It looks all clean and cool on the video but in reality it is over confusing
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Dovidhalevi said:
According to a linux over android thread, there is no (ready-made) Ubuntu image for Armv6. One can, however install Debian. A full gnome3 (Unity is based on that) or KDE dektop would be to heavy so comes with XFCE or such. Desktop is run using VNC.
Need at least 3gig available on the sdcard to get started.
Best have an Android ROM with swap enabled in the kernel.
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I have the space, but I don't know if swap is enabled in the kernel. Can I get a how-to to run Debian with XFCE please? It'll be fun
Hey there, XDA.
So I've been puttering about with Ubuntu Touch on another device I have lately (Fairphone 2) and attempted a couple ports in the past...
(Moto X 2013, gave away to a friend, Galaxy Note 3, ran into a roadblock with partition sizes)
I got to looking at my Shield Tablet and was just thinking about how it'd be a near perfect poster-child for Ubuntu Touch for tablets. The device is still a relative power house, has great specs, native HDMI out for convergence, and even has OEM maintained device trees and kernel sources!
On paper, it's perfect.
So, I was thinking, would anyone else want to see Ubuntu Touch running on this tablet through the UBPorts project? Any dev support would be especially helpful, as Nvidia's hardware is truly a bit...unique.
Before anyone points it out: I am aware that there is a 'native' Ubuntu desktop port already, however it is awfully out of date and the developer does not seem very interested in maintaining it currently (and I don't blame him, considering how much work porting nvidia's L4T sources to the TN8 must be)
Interest from me, I can test. No good at developing though !
Yes of course! There is some interesting on having Linux in shield tablet. There's linux4tegra but it's dependent on lollipop kernel. So it would be nice having a dual boot stock nougat and Ubuntu for shield tablet thanks for the initiative.
Interest from me too. Also without dev skills, but happy to test
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Yes of course! There is some interesting on having Linux in shield tablet. There's linux4tegra but it's dependent on lollipop kernel. So it would be nice having a dual boot stock nougat and Ubuntu for shield tablet thanks for the initiative.
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Well, sadly, might still be dependant on Lollipop blobs/kernel as Ubuntu Touch still relies on Lollipop device trees since it uses libhybris for device support. Most annoying thing about it.
Is it possible to request Ubuntu for an updated kernel dependency?
So, this is embarassing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ05o0RPwUQ
Which version of Ubuntu is this?
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Hey there, XDA.
So I've been puttering about with Ubuntu Touch on another device I have lately (Fairphone 2) and attempted a couple ports in the past...
(Moto X 2013, gave away to a friend, Galaxy Note 3, ran into a roadblock with partition sizes)
I got to looking at my Shield Tablet and was just thinking about how it'd be a near perfect poster-child for Ubuntu Touch for tablets. The device is still a relative power house, has great specs, native HDMI out for convergence, and even has OEM maintained device trees and kernel sources!
On paper, it's perfect.
So, I was thinking, would anyone else want to see Ubuntu Touch running on this tablet through the UBPorts project? Any dev support would be especially helpful, as Nvidia's hardware is truly a bit...unique.
Before anyone points it out: I am aware that there is a 'native' Ubuntu desktop port already, however it is awfully out of date and the developer does not seem very interested in maintaining it currently (and I don't blame him, considering how much work porting nvidia's L4T sources to the TN8 must be)
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@Lyokacanthrope I can help with testing and stuff if we can get it booted
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@Lyokacanthrope I can help with testing and stuff if we can get it booted
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hah...I kinda put this idea on the backburner cuz I couldn't really get anywhere and ubports/yunit seems to be floundering currently.
Speaking of flounder (aka Nexus 9), it seems that had an [at least booting] Ubports in the past
https://plus.google.com/+Ubports/posts/iCHaKMTXC1y
https://devices.ubports.com/#/flounder_lte
I am very interested indeed. And I can speak for at least two more people that I know.
UBports still seems to be working on Ubuntu Touch, from what I can tell.
How about Plasma Mobile?