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Apps2SD:Am I going crazy or just not paying attention

Before I get flamed, I know I posted this in the Sapphire General section, but the reason I am posting this here is 'cause I'm looking for more info from a different crowd. Thanks in advance.
Here is my dilemma.....
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Got the MY3G, did all the good stuff (rooted, CyanogenMod v4.0.4, Apps2SD, etc.,). However, after I configured Apps2Sd and the SD card with the partitions I could have swore I had 289MB (or something close to that) of free internal storage. I have installed numerous apps and it went down to 278. I know the Apps2SD worked, however what is taking up those 10 megs??? After I noticed this I began rebooting the phone after app installs to see if maybe the apps need to be pushed to the SD card during reboot. No luck. If anyone can throw me some advice or point me in the right direction that would be badass.
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your_helpfull_hand provided this answer:
You do know cache does take up room? Also if you installed apps thats why it went down. its normal
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I replied with:
your_helpfull_hand: This is my first Android based phone so thanks for taking it easy on me. Ok, I forgot about the cache....So, if I understand this correctly the apps will install on the SD card but the internal memory will still slowly decrease but not all crazy as if I was installing straight to the phone??
One more thing, after configuring Apps2SD how much internal storage should be left with (the phone being clean after loading Cyanogen)? As I mentioned I was originally left with 288MB or close to that. Is that about right? Should it more or less?
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So, that is where I am at. If anyone has additional info that would be awesome.

RAM in Froyo (2.2)

Does someone know if the 2.2 or the 2.1 need more ram, because on my magic with CM5, is the homescreen reloading sometimes.
Because of Low Memory. Will that be in the 2.2 the same or better?

I am running 2.1 right now and I don't have that problem. What rom are you using exactly? And before u install os 2.1 you need to flash your memory card with a swap partition in order for the os to run smoothly. I can walk you though the process if you want.
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I have a similar issue with my milestone and launcher pro would this swap partition resolve this issue I'm running 2.1.instructions would be great if you think it would resolve this issue.
Thanks

The swap partition would solve the problem and I have no problem giving you instructions but I'm not in front of a computer right now. As soon as I get in front of a computer I will give you detailed instructions on how to do this. Please keep in mind that a full format is required so perform a backup in any which way you want until I can get back to you with instructions.
Probably I will have access to my computer on about 4 hours so check back then plz.
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Before I forget, please write detailed info about your phone, model, current rom, what kind and size of memory card you have, bord info (is it 32a or 32b), and anything you can think of.
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Thanks restrrcted my phone is the milestone running 2.1 update1 telus stock rom, non rooted, 16gb microsd class 4, let me know if you need anything else, cheers again!

well. i am sorry to say but i am not very used to your motorola. but i assume they should be the same as every other android phone, if so, here is what you need to do.
turn off your phone, remove sim card (it tends to delete things off of it, did it on mine), backup everything you want to keep that is found on your sd card, and then just do the simple action of turning your phone on while holding the 'home' button until some menu with txt shows up.
now, in that menu, you can chose several things, but what we are interested in is the 'partition sd card' menu. select that, and then chose the first option, and then chose the size of the swap partition, something like 256 is more than enough, then chose the ext2 size, something like 512 is more than enough, then the rest is fat32.
select apply or whatever option it gives you to finish the procedure, and then, in the same menu where you have the 4 choices, you have to select the third on 'sd:ext2 to ext3'. once that is complete, just reboot your phone from the main menu.
you can use the back arrow just like in the os it self.
i dont know if it will work, it will defenently delete all your data on the sd card, but i dont know if it will do what needs to be done.
also, keep in mind, that for the swap partition to work, you have to enable apk2sd under settings. somewhere in there. i dont know exactly where its found.
i am very sorry that i could not be of more help.
after doing all that though, if you reinstall all the software you have they should run faster since you will alow for more space to be used as ram.
good luck, and please let me know how it turns out. i am not very good with your phone. if it was the mytouch 3g i could teach you anything you wanted.
sorry i could not do more. please do ask me though, since i thing almost all androids are the same.
good luck.

http://www.free-download-blog.com/motorola-milestone-root-on-android-2-1/
look at this. maybe its time to root, that makes so many things so much easier. give it a thought, but personaly, if you can get everything you want done as is, DO NOT ROOT! it only causes complications.
although, there is some smart people making some very, very stable roms for this phones. mine is up and runing for 7 days and it is as quick (actualy quicker) than the stock, and 100% stable.
let me know how it turns out.
ciao

Rooting in itself does not cause problems, what you do on your rooted device is what can cause issues.
If you know nothing about Linux or what an administrator account is then you may want to steer clear of rooting your device, if you understand the dangers of allowing an application root access to your entire device then you should be ok.

I have a HTC Magic with CyanogenMod 5.0.7
32B
Memory Card: 8GB sanDisk MicroSD HC

First Time ROM, have some questions

Hello all,
Okay, so I've been to the Android Revolution 4g page here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=964841
most of it is making sense, I just have a few questions. Here goes.
1) There's news that HTC should be releasing a new rom update to enable HSUPA on the inspire 4g. Is flashing an new rom going to cause issues there?
2) My computer (a laptop running windows 7 64 bit and norton anti-virus) seems to hate HTC Sync and my phone, I can browse the phone as a disk (along with SD card) but HTC sync just hates me is this going to be a problem?
3)And lastly, probably a silly question, but will flashing my rom cause me to lose all my phones onboard memory? Like non sd card apps, phonebook, etc?
I know this has probably been asked before, and I did try to find posts that were similar, but to no avail. Any help you have is greatly appreciated.

wydra91 said:
Hello all,
Okay, so I've been to the Android Revolution 4g page here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=964841
most of it is making sense, I just have a few questions. Here goes.
1) There's news that HTC should be releasing a new rom update to enable HSUPA on the inspire 4g. Is flashing an new rom going to cause issues there?
2) My computer (a laptop running windows 7 64 bit and norton anti-virus) seems to hate HTC Sync and my phone, I can browse the phone as a disk (along with SD card) but HTC sync just hates me is this going to be a problem?
3)And lastly, probably a silly question, but will flashing my rom cause me to lose all my phones onboard memory? Like non sd card apps, phonebook, etc?
I know this has probably been asked before, and I did try to find posts that were similar, but to no avail. Any help you have is greatly appreciated.
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1. If your flashing AR 4G your going to have hsupa enabled anyway, so I am not sure what you are asking..
2. All you have to do is set it to disk drive, as long as you can place the rom on the sd card. Weather it is through the phone or an adapter you will be fine.There are other options if this doesn't work, but it should work for you.
3. To an extent yes. If you are flashing a ROM then you have root correct? Use titanium back up to back up your apps (none that have to do with htc). As long as your contacts are saved on your sim card or sd card they will remain intact. Your personal setting will not remain in tact you will have to set your phone up the way you want it. This is due to doing a full wipe, so you can properly flash the rom.

[Q] Swap, ext2/3/4(?) guide?

Ok first off hope everyone had a great holiday (or Christmas, as the case may be )
I have come to realize that alot of my issues may/may not have been caused by factors outside my phone or the rom I was attempting to install and use. I will give myself credit tho in that in all but one case I have managed to follow instructions to a "T" and have not experienced many/any of the issues that others have. Anyways, I got a new wireless router, and also a class 10 SD card. Some of my earlier connectivity issues are very rare now, and camera issues seem to be minimal also (assuming that the issue there was write speed to the card).
So I've really come to like a few of the roms, in particular one I'm liking right now VERY MUCH is MIUI 1.11.9. What a nicely put together package that is. I would really really like to stay with it.
However, it's huge. With that and two apps (Gmail and Facebook), I'm lucky if I have 14 mb left over. Obviously, this causes crashes and reboots left right and center. Camera usage is almost impossible. But, I'm willing to admit, the problem is likely my fault, because I have not done anything to manipulate swap/ext/etc on my sd card. I have the phone, and I have a formatted 16 gb class 10 sd card.
I've looked through 10 pages of threads and to be honest I'm finding it hard to know where to begin. I'm convinced, however, that if I can learn what swap ext/ext2/ext3 do, and how to create/use them..and whatever else, that MIUI and probably a few of the other roms will be amazing for me.
So is someone bored over the holidays here and can help either point me in the right direction of a Guide to do this, or maybe even write a bit about it for me? Assume I know nothing about how to create a swap, an ext, link2sd, any of it. I don't know how to use terminal emulator, modify or execute scripts...but I can learn!!
I realize that I'm asking for info that is probably obtainable by reading numerous other threads..but I can't find anything truly comphrensive..it's too bad threads couldn't be "stickied"...this subject seems crucial to me in order to get some of these roms to run ok. Many of them operate the same way: they take up 100 mb or so, and they don't allow for easy moving of apps to the SD card.
Anyways many thanks in advance if you can help. I'm sure there's a few others who could probably use a refresher in this also.

I'm learning alot about this and hope to update this thread with my own tips for how to do this in the coming days.
That is, if anyone is interested. If so, hit me with a msg.
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internal upgrade?
can someone tell me how to upgrade the internal memory because im getting very low in phone memory.. are there any solutions like using the 1GB for the internal memory of my 8GB card?

Well, you cant physically expand the memory but you can virtually via an extended primary partition and an app like link2sd.
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Hey acrobat69
I am pretty much the same boat as you. I have tried a bunch of ROMs, and I am still on 6.3 rc3 now.. went back and tweeked after learning some things and this is the least buggy for me at the moment.
I also do not use swap at the moment.. but this is also something that those in the know here on the Xt720 forums have debated.. how useful is it???
I would love to try swap.. or any other tips you might have.. so I at least will be listening.
I would like to get FM radio working on 6.3 rc3 too.. no luck so far.
I have found that when you overclock.. some speeds and Vsel work better in some roms.. or applications.
I saw one fellow who was running 800/48vsel - overall nice and great for battery usage.. but camera would not work at 48vsel.. would crash it .. running several highpower apps like wifi tether and gps at the same time would crash a low vsel set phone..
SO I know there are many factors that you can tune to make a rom work best for you.
James

When I get back to my PC, ill type something up on this for you as well as archer's other thread similar to this Q.

FYI, FM radio works since 6.3.0 RC4. Well at least as much as FM radio "works" on any of the non-stock-based ROMs at the moment-- volume control is difficult/problematic.
I think 6.3.6 is a good choice if you don't mind disabling the hardware button lights. And if it does bother you, I can make a patch that puts the lights back as the were in RC3 (but would disable notification leds).
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Ok so to answer a few of the above questions, I'll try to break it up into sections. Ext2/3/4, Swap and basic memory management.
Ext partitions: since our XT's are so low on memory, a fair while back some scripts were created to make it so that when you downloaded an app, it went into your ext partition and not to the internal. Remember that this was when we had 2.1 and Froyo was only a dream. As you know Froyo has the native App2sd function where you can move most of the app's data/function to your SD card via the .androidsecure folder on your card. Since this was not a function on 2.1 we needed a bypass. This was done by creating a EXT partition on your SDCard to bypass/hijack the installation process and "force" the apps to install to the SDCard rather than the meager internal memory. Since the grand old days, we have evolved that function from app2sd to app2ext where now the /cache can be moved over to the partition as well, in addition to apps like Link2sd with one-click UI to do it for you.
This is how to do it.
1 Make sure your ROM supports app2ext-it should be in that ROMs OP.
2 You need to use GParted or Minitool Partition Wizard to create your Ext2/3 partitions (do not create an Ext4 with either of these b/c they won't work correctly, most ROMs don't support it and you can convert it from 2/3 to 4 in MZ's open recovery).
3 You have a 16gb card and are asking what size should I make my partitions. They need to be in this order-FAT/EXT/SWAP from L->R. FAT is what it sounds like. It is your biggest sized one (and make it Primary/Bootable in your partition wizard). Your Ext is going to be up to you on the size. I usually recommend 350-450mb. Anything bigger is really wasted space. In fact, I chorgle to myself when I see people with 1gb Ext partitions b/c your average size app is usually about 7-12mb (with something like Angry Birds at a meaty 18mb). Remember that 1gb=1024mb. 12mb vs 1024mb-see what I am saying here?
4 So now you have your partitions set up. How do you activate it. You flash your ROM and let it settle down. Get ROOT and open a file manager and go to the ROOT. You will see a folder labeled SD-ext. Open this folder and make another folder called App (not Apps-no S) or if you are using Link2sd, you would put a folder called Link2sd (not LinkS2sd-again no S). Reboot and BAM!!!once it boots up, all your apps that you had will be in there and any new ones will be installed there saving you tons of internal space.
I'll cover Swap tomorrow b/c I am tired of typing for now but here is a thread on some unknown types of memory management that you can do on your own.
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to make it as general as possible so that it wasn't too technical.

Woodrube thank you very much for that, indeed very helpful and to the point. Ill hit you with a thanks when back on my laptop.
James: debates nothwithstanding, I can't see how its possible to install one of these Roms and actually use it...and any decent number of apps with stability, without using the extended partition. I have not had any success until I learned how to do this. Therefore, were absolutely not going to debate it, just do it!
To Woodrubes excellent instructions I will add these tips, learned from Mio7's advice and trial and error:
- do any partitioning before you install your new rom, and do it via a card reader inserted into your computer, not by plugging the phone into the computer via usb.
- do not make the second partition fat. In some threads people said it worked however it never works for me. Create the second partition as ext2 , then go to open recovery and convert it to ext3
- use root explorer to create the folder in sd-ext as Woodrube advised. Make sure root explorer is in R/W mode not R/O or you wont be allowed to
- install Link2sd first of any program. It's when you're running link2sd it seems that you can't create the link for certain applications check the market to see if to the downloadable version then uninstall the app from the phone and reinstall it yourself then when you go back into linksd youll be able to create a link. I'm still experimenting with just how much I can rip out of the system and then reinstall myself so as to be able to move over to the sd card. Btw if the rom app manager wont let you uninstall, use the uninstall function in link2sd. It works, even tho it says "Failed" when done.
See the signature at the bottom of my thread that should be all you need to know about whether not the advice in this thread is good because I'm posting from my phone and I'm using voice to text
Next up I'm going to try installing other roms like MIUI or 7.1 to see you what ones this can be used on. I will post my successes and failures in this thread
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With regard to milestone overclock settings I'm currently running 900 and 60 and have achieved general stability with no crashes during picture taking or video recording
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Mio: Nooo don't disable LED its great the way it is. Who needs those backlights anyways the keys are far enough away to not need a light to tell my thumbs where to go by now
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[Q] S-OFF on p3110 possible?

I am not sure if this post is placed right. If not I hope that Moderator can move it to the right place...
I have just rooted my Galaxy Tab 2 7" (P3110 - Android 4.0.4) as I wanted to be able to use my external memory card for apps and not for music, films and photos only. I must say that I got a little bit dissapointed when I failed to get link2sd to work and started to google for som epossible solutions.
The most reasonable one I could come up with us that my tab2 have S-ON?
Is it possible to see it that's the case?
If so that it has S-ON, is there any way to make it S-OFF?
I am kind of new to Android and don't really know what to look for or if it's even possible on the p3110 to use the external memory card for apps. The interlan memory of 8gb, shared with the system, is kind of low (only 4gb left) and I can't even install apps like TomTom, various games etc on a clean system with the amout of memory I have available.
I have Googled and didn't find much of info regarding S-ON/OFF on the Galaxy Tab 2.

S-Off/S-On is only on HTC devices and not applicable to Samsung devices. As for using external memory for app storage rather than internal, you would need a changed kernel to swap them, or a start-up script that will switch where the two devices are mounted.

imnuts said:
S-Off/S-On is only on HTC devices and not applicable to Samsung devices. As for using external memory for app storage rather than internal, you would need a changed kernel to swap them, or a start-up script that will switch where the two devices are mounted.
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Ok. That explains why I couldn't find any help by googeling.
So one need either a kernel that swaps the mem card or a start-up script...? I will search for those options, unless you already know where to find suiteful info regarding this?
Is this also the only way to get link2sd to work with the p3110? ...maybe I am asking too much now but I recently bought my first Android device since an old phone with some 2.x version where I could move to mem card as I wanted, rooted it and really don't know where to go from here

a0rta said:
I am not sure if this post is placed right. If not I hope that Moderator can move it to the right place...
I have just rooted my Galaxy Tab 2 7" (P3110 - Android 4.0.4) as I wanted to be able to use my external memory card for apps and not for music, films and photos only. I must say that I got a little bit dissapointed when I failed to get link2sd to work and started to google for som epossible solutions.
The most reasonable one I could come up with us that my tab2 have S-ON?
Is it possible to see it that's the case?
If so that it has S-ON, is there any way to make it S-OFF?
I am kind of new to Android and don't really know what to look for or if it's even possible on the p3110 to use the external memory card for apps. The interlan memory of 8gb, shared with the system, is kind of low (only 4gb left) and I can't even install apps like TomTom, various games etc on a clean system with the amout of memory I have available.
I have Googled and didn't find much of info regarding S-ON/OFF on the Galaxy Tab 2.
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this seems to be exactly what you're looking for but I don't know how to actually do it. Configuring permissions is not something I know to do. Would be great if someone comes up with app to do this.
p-3113 Swap ExternalSDCard 2 Internal
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961097