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I'm using HTC Desire, which always encounter a problem of low memory space. As for the spec of this handset, there is only 512MB ROM equiped. But I saw handsets by other manufacturer, for example: Samsung, are equiped with 8GB ROM, even more for some models. Is there any concern to equip greater size of ROM in Android handsets? I can't understand the reason for such a great brand in smartphone is supplying such a poor spec for their phones.
Expandable memory, root and apps2sd. Even the Froyo apps2fat works fine to save space.
evilkorn said:
Expandable memory, root and apps2sd. Even the Froyo apps2fat works fine to save space.
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One main problem I've enountered is the speed and launching of applications. When I've moved apps to SD, it may takes quite a long time while booting up, which is, I'm not able to launch any app in the first few minutes of booting up. And widgets from those apps are also unable to launch after rebooting too. So I'm so interested in phones with large internal storage but also love HTC Sense so much.
You're wrong, the Android users have messed up with ROM memory, internal SD, external SD and RAM. Samsung has 8 GB internal SD, not ROM. HTC Amaze 4G has 2.5 GB ROM in total, apparently HTC one S has ~2.2 GB ROM in total but with the same number of apps, one S can achieve 1.8 GB free ROM memory. Correct me if I'm wrong, One series users. There must be something wrong with Amaze's ROM memory utilisation.
On my HTC Amaze 4G, at least 250 MB ROM memory is needed before the "insufficient memory available" bug appears everytime you install an app. As soon as you move apps to external memory in order to save ROM memory, your apps will start to lose integrity and the whole android experience will suck.
I know that they are supposed to come with 4 gigs of memory. My phone its is telling me have have under a gig. Now, I haven't had out long and I only have a few apps. Could myes rooted rom take up all the available space? Or is there's another source? Thanks!
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rubyv said:
I know that they are supposed to come with 4 gigs of memory. My phone its is telling me have have under a gig. Now, I haven't had out long and I only have a few apps. Could myes rooted rom take up all the available space? Or is there's another source? Thanks!
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I think you're confusing internal vs SD card storage. My understanding is it's 1GB internal, and they ship with 8GB SD card (originally they were going to ship with 4GB SD so that's why there are some sites with bad specs out there).
I have a ton of apps installed and I still have half my total internal available.
I was told that the phone had four gbs internal in addition to the eight gig card.
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rubyv said:
I was told that the phone had four gbs internal in addition to the eight gig card.
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I believe you were misinformed. And I stand corrected, it's got 768mb internal, and 8GB flash storage.
Actually it does have 4gb of internal memory, but you can only use slightly over 1gb. This was the same issue with the G2.
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And 768 is the RAM
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droe411 said:
And 768 is the RAM
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I'm not sure this is accurate. What's on the 4gb ROM? Makes no sense to have 4GB of read-only memory on any device.
If the OS\support is generally under 300mb, and is housed within the 768mb, what takes up the 4GB ROM? That wouldn't make any sense. I know there was some bad info that went out when the phone first released.... I think this may have stemmed from that.
I know ot doesnt make sense bit thats what it is. Liok at all stat sheets for.the phone. There is a pile of memory that is rwad only holding a backup of some kind.
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The OS itself is stored in the 4 gig internal SD, and uses RAM out of the 768mb. Even though it has 4 gb of internal storage, the way its formatted only let's us use 2 gigs. its formatted for speed and stability rather than size, therefore we lose half of it, then the OS takes up almost a gig, so now were down to 1 gig of usable storage on the internal card, then we have the 8 gb external.
And I believe the 768 of RAM is for running processes, for multi-tasking.
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di11igaf said:
The OS itself is stored in the 4 gig internal SD, and uses RAM out of the 768mb. Even though it has 4 gb of internal storage, the way its formatted only let's us use 2 gigs. its formatted for speed and stability rather than size, therefore we lose half of it, then the OS takes up almost a gig, so now were down to 1 gig of usable storage on the internal card, then we have the 8 gb external.
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Sounds like the same engineers who designed the AT&T network had their hands involved in this phone's design process.
Let's put a 20 gallon gas tank on a car, but weld a divider down the middle so someone can only put 10 gallons of gas in it. LOL
There was the same issue withe the G2 when it came out. It confused the heck out of a lot of them.
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I'm still noy buyin it that there's a mystery 4GB in the phone.
Looking at the root system it's about 500mb, of which 300mb is free (for tasking), and then I have about 250mb of apps installed, which adds up too close to 768 for coincidence in my mind.
If there were a 4gb ROM floating around in there, it'd be absolutely useless. Obviously the OS isn't installed on it, since It's ROM (read ONLY), and apps don't use it as storage (read ONLY), and it's not used for multitasking space (read ONLY), so there's no logical explanation for it.
MY theory is originally the phone was going to ship with 4GB memory card, and they changed it to 8GB at the last minute.... and that was an artifact that got jumbled with the old specs.... because GSM Arena and AT&T both show 768RAM plus 8GB SD Card only.
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I'm still noy buyin it that there's a mystery 4GB in the phone.
Looking at the root system it's about 500mb, of which 300mb is free (for tasking), and then I have about 250mb of apps installed, which adds up too close to 768 for coincidence in my mind.
If there were a 4gb ROM floating around in there, it'd be absolutely useless. Obviously the OS isn't installed on it, since It's ROM (read ONLY), and apps don't use it as storage (read ONLY), and it's not used for multitasking space (read ONLY), so there's no logical explanation for it.
MY theory is originally the phone was going to ship with 4GB memory card, and they changed it to 8GB at the last minute.... and that was an artifact that got jumbled with the old specs.... because GSM Arena and AT&T both show 768RAM plus 8GB SD Card only.
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GSMARENA Inspire 4G
gsmarena also states 4GB INTERNAL STORAGE, not ROM specifically.
From their site...
Internal 4 GB storage, 768 MB RAM
Card slot microSD, up to 32GB, 8GB included, buy memory
There is a thread in this forum with this issue questioned, and some guy emailed HTC. The answer we are telling you is the same they tell every one. This is not AT&T HTC phones do this, look at the G2 the Thunderbolt. It isn't a lie they are telling every one. That is what they use the memory for, some sort of back up(I don't know exactly what it is backing up). HTC does this with all the newer phones.....
Here is a good answer for this guys, we lose half the available space for speed and stability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12111805&postcount=11
footbal9584 said:
Here is a good answer for this guys, we lose half the available space for speed and stability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12111805&postcount=11
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I call shenanigans haha
Already many threads on the topic. Yes there is technically 4GB internal but only 1GB is user accessible. The other 3GB is reserved for the OS, ect...
Twenty4 said:
Already many threads on the topic. Yes there is technically 4GB internal but only 1GB is user accessible. The other 3GB is reserved for the OS, ect...
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If I can't use it or see it, it doesn't exist. ;-)
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If I can't use it or see it, it doesn't exist. ;-)
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I agree, I just pretend it only came with one gig and honestly, with 93 apps (50 on Sdcard), I still have 650 mb left so it doesn't bother me too much.
I don't have that many apps, games stored on my phone and would rather the extra space be allocated to media.
Would it be possible to cut 1gb off the phones 2gb storage etc?
of course this is possible with a custom rom that repartitions the device when flashing.
I'm no phone man so hopefully someone can maximise the media space for those that wish.
Must be others out there with this need
Very likely. I hit a store today to look at it and bought it like my car - against better judgement and just acting from the gut.
Just gotta love the feel of that device. I am seriously miffed that HTC is advertising a 16GB internal storage phone but leaves only about 10GB for the user (well at least its written on the box, but still).
What the heck do they use those Gigs of storage for? I can see how one or even three GB are put aside for the /data partition and maybe an recovery patition, but 6GB?
All I hope is that the One S gets enough developer love, instead of all the devs going for the higher bling of the Quad flagship.
I wonder why they didn't implement the unified storage which is supperted by ICS which makes partitioning superfluous, at least for app/media space.
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When we get stock iPhone devices in our office, on a 16GB device, the available space os about 14GB, I had expected similar from HTC. But no, it is just over 9GB free on a stock device with nothing much installed.Grrr.
I know I have been complaining about the space in other forums but your compairison is off the mark.
The HTC One S has 9.8gb free for user storage, and 2gb free for apps, that's 11.8gb free.
The Iphone 4, 16gb model has 13.4gb free "out of the box".
The way Android works is different from Ios for storage. Android partions the drive for system, cache, and user. Some manufacturers choose application and user storage to be separate, depending on wether they have mtp, or usb mass storage mode. If you read up on this stuff a bit, you'll soon agree the android way is better, and unlike Ios devices once we have S-off, we can change mtd partions.
So, technically your talking 13.4gb versus 11.8, not really as big a dif as you tried to claim.
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I just hope HTC was lazy and went the way they did on the first WM7 phones - an microSD card slot that contained a exchangeable Sandisk microSD, but was just hidden under a few screws.
I guess I would happily void my warranty for that. I am heavily anticipating the first "teardowns" or service / disassembly manuals for this device.
Can someone post testing the speed of the internal storage, I would appreciate the test results made with SD Tools app. ?
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Here it is !
psych0t1c said:
I just hope HTC was lazy and went the way they did on the first WM7 phones - an microSD card slot that contained a exchangeable Sandisk microSD, but was just hidden under a few screws.
I guess I would happily void my warranty for that. I am heavily anticipating the first "teardowns" or service / disassembly manuals for this device.
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I've read that the storage in this phone is all NAND, not a hidden micro SD.
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psych0t1c said:
I just hope HTC was lazy and went the way they did on the first WM7 phones - an microSD card slot that contained a exchangeable Sandisk microSD, but was just hidden under a few screws.
I guess I would happily void my warranty for that. I am heavily anticipating the first "teardowns" or service / disassembly manuals for this device.
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Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen. They did this with WP7 because Microsoft made them - they didn't want user-swappable SD cards in WP7 devices. In the One series, the memory is most probably normal NAND chips on the board deep inside the phone, to save space.
Thanks, for compare I post my tests with newest microSD adata 32GB UHS-1 tested on HTC Desire-S which I made when bought that card and installed ROM, after some use of phone the speed is decreasing.
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This was the max speed which I get out of that card 21.6MB/s write and 25.8MB/s read.
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10gb storage
1,5gb system
2gb data
1gb others (cache boot recovery radio vs)
Android apps and caches getting enlarged everyday and even all my apps moved to empty system/app folder and only 5 apps installed to data/app I have only 200mb free because dalvik cache, data/data folders are 1,5gb total.
I need repartition my htc one s like that:
1gb system
4gb data
1gb others untouched
8gb storage.
it is very easy on mtk devices. there must be a way via fastboot commands on qualcom devices.
here is a way for zte z7 mini via fastboot commands.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57928909&postcount=3
The HTC One X has 16GB of storage total, but only about 2GB can be used for apps. I don't get it, its all internal memory, why separate it like that? Or is it just similar to my current Android phone where i have 2 separate storage areas, a small amount of phone memory, and SD Card. Should i think of the One X as having phone memory and a built in SD card so to speak. Because on my current phone i can move some apps from phone memory to SD card in Android Settings based off how they work, and some need to stay on the phone. Would this be a similar way that it may work on the One X?
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The HTC One X has 16GB of storage total, but only about 2GB can be used for apps. I don't get it, its all internal memory, why separate it like that? Or is it just similar to my current Android phone where i have 2 separate storage areas, a small amount of phone memory, and SD Card. Should i think of the One X as having phone memory and a built in SD card so to speak. Because on my current phone i can move some apps from phone memory to SD card in Android Settings based off how they work, and some need to stay on the phone. Would this be a similar way that it may work on the One X?
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the 10gb partition is basically an sdcard yes. 2gb of app storage is actually a lot. if an app needs extra data, it's saved to the internal memory (10gb).
That's the typical configuration for almost all Android phones. You have system partition where the kernel/OS/system resides. You have app paritition where all apps install to. Then you have the SDcard type storage area where all user/app data stores to.
2GB app partition is quite large. You can also install app to SDcard if you use up all the 2GB space.
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The HTC One X has 16GB of storage total, but only about 2GB can be used for apps. I don't get it, its all internal memory, why separate it like that? Or is it just similar to my current Android phone where i have 2 separate storage areas, a small amount of phone memory, and SD Card. Should i think of the One X as having phone memory and a built in SD card so to speak. Because on my current phone i can move some apps from phone memory to SD card in Android Settings based off how they work, and some need to stay on the phone. Would this be a similar way that it may work on the One X?
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This has been covered before, but the reason HTC went this route is to have usb mass storage mode. With one big partion, such as I have on my gtab 10.1 mtp is used, usb mass storage is not an option.
And yes, moving apps to sd works, even large games where most of the data is downloaded afterwords, that data goes to your "sd". In short, the 2gb app partion is plenty.
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really?
don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but really, is 2gb enough? i'm on a t-mobile mytouch 4g slide and i might be leaving t-mobile to come to at&t and get the htc one x, but one of my biggest complaints is the storage space. i'm CONSTANTLY having to delete apps to stay above 200mb free (and i have no music on my phone and all pics are on the sd card). right now i have 102 apps/games installed. i find that if i start moving apps/games to sd i start having phone issues (and i know not to move apps that have widgets, but even still, just installing games and stuff still tends to cause freezes and force closes). now the only reason i might be able to trust you guys and take the leap of faith here with the 2gb is that i'm running android 2.3 here... i know that android 4.0 is a totally different beast and things just run amazingly better to begin with (especially with the added hardware of the one x)... so maybe i really don't need to worry about moving some of my bigger games like plants vs zombies and peggle (thats like 150mb right there on the phone storage alone) to sd on this android 4.0 device...
SO... anyone wanna help me feel a little better about this and give me some more assurance that everything is just gonna be ok haha.
thanks
One major difference here is that your T-Mo MyTouch 4G Slide needs to use the slower microSD card for SD storage. Due to the speed difference and general unreliable performance of external SD storage, it could cause issues for apps stored on those external SD cards.
For HOX, there is no external SD card involved. The 10 GB or so storage you can use is from the same NAND chip that is used by the internal 2GB app storage. So, there shouldn't be any problem for moving apps to that storage.
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One major difference here is that your T-Mo MyTouch 4G Slide needs to use the slower microSD card for SD storage. Due to the speed difference and general unreliable performance of external SD storage, it could cause issues for apps stored on those external SD cards.
For HOX, there is no external SD card involved. The 10 GB or so storage you can use is from the same NAND chip that is used by the internal 2GB app storage. So, there shouldn't be any problem for moving apps to that storage.
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interesting. sounds pretty reasonable. i don't really store any music on my phone other than a few spotify offline playlists, and no movies, so the space would be totally pictures, apps and games... so if what you're saying is true, i guess i shouldn't really worry about the 2gb... gonna go play with one in a store tomorrow to make sure i'll be happy jumping from 3.7 to 4.7" but i think this might be a done deal for me ...
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That's the typical configuration for almost all Android phones. You have system partition where the kernel/OS/system resides. You have app paritition where all apps install to. Then you have the SDcard type storage area where all user/app data stores to.
2GB app partition is quite large. You can also install app to SDcard if you use up all the 2GB space.
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No it is not the typical configuration for all Android phones, not after ICS. After ICS I think HTC is the only one who insist on sticking to it. Even though MTP have its pro and cons, I think sticking to the old 2 GB partition has more Cons than Pros.
And while 2GB is enough for many users, for many others, it is NOT enough. FYI not all apps can be moved to SDcard and right now I have almost 4 GB on apps on my tablet. So for a heavy user, 2GB space is both restrictive AND unnecessary.
This is a stupid decision by HTC that has stopped me from buying their phone since HTC desire HD (which gave me such an headache due to this restriction)
Also consider the exponential growth in the file size of the apps. A few years ago, you will have hard pressed to find an apps that is more than 100 MB, now some apps even approaches 0.5 GB to 1GB size. Enough? Hardly.
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don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but really, is 2gb enough? i'm on a t-mobile mytouch 4g slide and i might be leaving t-mobile to come to at&t and get the htc one x, but one of my biggest complaints is the storage space. i'm CONSTANTLY having to delete apps to stay above 200mb free (and i have no music on my phone and all pics are on the sd card). right now i have 102 apps/games installed. i find that if i start moving apps/games to sd i start having phone issues (and i know not to move apps that have widgets, but even still, just installing games and stuff still tends to cause freezes and force closes). now the only reason i might be able to trust you guys and take the leap of faith here with the 2gb is that i'm running android 2.3 here... i know that android 4.0 is a totally different beast and things just run amazingly better to begin with (especially with the added hardware of the one x)... so maybe i really don't need to worry about moving some of my bigger games like plants vs zombies and peggle (thats like 150mb right there on the phone storage alone) to sd on this android 4.0 device...
SO... anyone wanna help me feel a little better about this and give me some more assurance that everything is just gonna be ok haha.
thanks
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Of those 102 apps/games, name 51 of them without looking lol.
Why is this here?
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i found that the internal storage for files was only about 10gb... 16gb internal storage is what all the specs say. i guess some 6gigs are allocated for apps and such? 10gigs really isn't much with the 8MP camera and ability to shoot HD vid.
am i missing something here? i'd like to have more storage capacity for music and still have room to shoot a few pics or even a video
any help would be appreciated. thx!
I have 10 GB, too. But there are 2 GB more for apps ("Internal memory") and the rest is for the OS and that stuff I think
4 GB reserved for the system??
I had the One X, which is supposed to have 32 GB, but 29,xx GB were usable. So the One X uses less system space?
I don't know, it's just what I think
10.5gb for user
2.5gb for apps
2.gb for ROM..
thats according to TB so i assume thats right
Its almost 16gb.. But hey a ford mustang 550bhp only has 543bhp
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4 GB reserved for the system??
I had the One X, which is supposed to have 32 GB, but 29,xx GB were usable. So the One X uses less system space?
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From hanging out in the HOX channel I think their partition setup is the same as the HOS. They have 32 GB and about 6 are claimed from the beginning for /app /data and other, smaller partitions. At least I recall people mentioning something about roughly 26 GB usable space.
Actually I find it ridiculous that HTC does not allow users to choose the partition size they need. And without S-OFF and full device access it is not possible to modify the partitions for devs... Aside from the fact that with ICS there is not even a NEED to define partitions as strictly as before, because of this new unified storage concept...