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Hello:
I now have a zest - courtest of my wife on my Birthday. I know it is made by ASUS, does anyone know the model? Data on it seems a bit sparse....
Is there likey to be a dedicated area for this PDA on the fornt page of XDA-dev's (like the ones for the wallaby, blue angel etc)? If not, is there any area in particular on the site, where post about this model can be found?
Thanks
I will like to know it also.
only htc made devices get their own forum rules of the site i'm afraid
Rudegar said:
only htc made devices get their own forum rules of the site i'm afraid
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Out of interest: I know historically it has been HTC units that get threads, however, the site is called 'XDA-developers' (not 'HTC-developers') and the zest, even though made by ASUS, is being sold badged as an XDA.....
xda atom is currently the only non htc made device that have it's own forum
why it got it and other o2 devices called xda don't i can't tell you
i don't make the rules
but this forum get money from donations to get server power and space
and the more spec forums and hits from owners it gets the more of a problem
because donations is not really that big an income ask the common beggar
as it is the forum is already often struggling to keep up with the nr of users at rush hour as it is
mind you i say this as my take on it not anything official as i'm just a mod not really
mixed up in such things
flar say the atom got a forum got a because they made it before they realised they were non htc.
as for the zest if you can pm me with the full name (not ythe xda name then ill create a space for it on my forum in my sig
icarusbop said:
Out of interest: I know historically it has been HTC units that get threads, however, the site is called 'XDA-developers' (not 'HTC-developers') and the zest, even though made by ASUS, is being sold badged as an XDA.....
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Historicly all XDAs where from HTC (their own line was called qtek back in the days).
This board was created back in '03 due to dismay from the lack of service HTC gave, there where lots of bugs in the ROMs (some things never change ) and some smart people found out how to get rid of some bugs, and even how to flash the phones.
(no kitchen tools, no packages, just perl scripts and a lot of time..)
XDA-developers grew (in devices and in members), and the XDA brand-name also got popular (due to T-mobile), nowadays a multitude of devices are called XDA, even non HTC produced devices, but that doesn't change the fact that we always have been an HTC only forum.
The one exception: the xda atom was sort of an mistake (initial misinformation), but it was never corrected.
However, look @ HTC which is releasing a massive ammount of devices. It's allmost impossible to also keep up with other devices (just take a look at the quantity of devices allready on this board).
Also check the current active users, and then imagine what that would be if we allow other brands to have their own forum.
The bandwidth would be enormous, and since nobody wants to pay or to donate to this board it would simply die: death by success..
Regards,
EquinoXe
Hi,
I've just got a XDA Zest too. Shame there isn't a section here...
Does anybody know if there is a site for the XDA zest ?
If there are any rom updates or cooked roms about?
Thanks
Gibbo
Hello all,
With how big the buzz is on the new Moto Droid, and how awesome the reviews have been on it so far, I'm hoping the modding community would attack it like a wolf on a sheep.
The question of the day though, is where will the modders conglomerate? It's not a HTC phone, so of course it wouldn't be on XDA (though I wish it was, because the android community here is first class awesome).
Why not create a sister site of XDA called droid-developers.com (or any name really, i wrote this because android-developers.com is taken). We could move all of the android forums and posts over to the sister site (which would definitely save bandwidth here on XDA), and that way the devs can have a one stop area for all android development, not just HTC phones. They could then just create new forums for other phones, like the liquid a1, motorola droid, samsung galaxy, etc..
If we have different sites for different manufacturers, the dev and mod community will be broken apart on different sites, whereas they could all be centrally located on one site.
Having all the android devs in one location not only helps form a community, but it also makes it a one stop location for everything android modding and developing. Others have tried doing so, but each attempt failed because there was no backing. If XDA made the site, it would have the backing of XDA, and with them moving all the current android forums over to the new site, it would be instant 100% backing, as that is where the devs would go for their current projects that are already posted, and any new projects.
As it stands now, there is a different forum for dream/magic, yet a lot of the posts get double posted in each because they are applicable to each. when someone is working on an application, do they choose to put it in the Dream section, Magic section, or Hero section? With it's own complete forum, there could be a general app section, etc..
Lets use an example. The Samsung Galaxy. It was the second android phone released. It's a great phone, but because it's not made by HTC, and therefore has no place on XDA, there is no modding community for it at all. A great device (and really the only one with a good amount of internal storage) has no hopes for the modding future because there is no central location for devs to conglomerate. If it was made by HTC, it would have flourished in the modding community simply because it could be discussed and worked on here at XDA.
The main thing, is they're modding Android, not the specific device. Sure each device has it's own quirks, but Android as a whole is what the topic is about. Why limit it to just HTC phones?
So please, if you agree that this will help the android community, vote in the poll, and voice your opinion by posting in this thread.
Well, as I find the proposal fair enough I've voted yes, but I'm not at all convinced about that domain.
If you intend to move devs from this site (which is well known in the android scene) to a new one, and you use as a reason that this was htc specific, you can't possibly try to name the new site droid-developers in direct reference to a motorola phone.
it wasn't used for a motorola reference. android-developers.com is already taken, as is android-devs.com.
If you have any other suggestions for domain names please post them.
Edit: fixed the first post to reflect what i stated here about the name
Are the mods here not going to create a section for this phone?
There will be no section for The Droid, Galaxy, Cliq, Liquid A1, etc.. because they are not HTC phones. XDA is for HTC phones only.
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There will be no section for The Droid, Galaxy, Cliq, Liquid A1, etc.. because they are not HTC phones. XDA is for HTC phones only.
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Have the mods said this somewhere?
livejamie said:
Have the mods said this somewhere?
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Lol, it's the origins of XDA. Look at all the phones listed on the forum. They're all HTC phones. XDA is another name for an older htc phone. This site was made and is used only for HTC phones.
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There will be no section for The Droid, Galaxy, Cliq, Liquid A1, etc.. because they are not HTC phones. XDA is for HTC phones only.
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then why is there xperia x1
JJbdoggg said:
then why is there xperia x1
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Because the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 was made by HTC.
How about making an Android section on this forum that has every Android device, HTC or not? Still under the XDA-Developers.com domain though.
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Because the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 was made by HTC.
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doh should have checked it out
Tawm said:
How about making an Android section on this forum that has every Android device, HTC or not? Still under the XDA-Developers.com domain though.
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That wouldn't work also, as it would make the main site very clustered. the current per phone forum layout is great, and I would hope the new site would maintain the same layout. Each phone definitely needs it's own forum for hardware hacks (like rooting, SPL's, custom ROM's, etc..) but with all Android devices in one place, it's easier for the community to discuss, mod, etc.. from device to device.
you got another yes here. i would like to see all android being supported.
I too would like to see all Android supported. Especially seeings how a lot of the development will apply to most devices.
I personally hope for a new site to offload some traffic. With android coming to more carriers there is bound to be much heavier traffic.
XDA has been invaluable to me since I got my titan a few years back.
As I have been considering the DROID as an upgrade, I would feel much better about that choice knowing it had a great community to support it despite not being an HTC device.
The same could apply to Windows Mobile though. There are great WinMo devices that aren't supported by the xda-dev's. They can only do so much.
I ststed this in another thread. ModMyMoto will have a section for Droid and Cliq. As far as the others Im sure a site such as PPCGeeks will have the other devices covered.
But I wouldnt be chosing a phone based on the presence of a forum. There will always be someone modding a device if it exists, and finding info is easy enough with google.
If all the devices were located on the same forum, you would have all kinds of tardos flashing files to incorrect devices.
If youve been on XDA for a while you know that these conversations come and go. XDA does their thing, they are the big dogs on the block so its not a big deal if it takes another site to fill in the gaps that XDA cant cover.
I post most of my work on alldroid.org because I would like to use that site for software related things and then use XDA for hardware related things for my G1. I think once more non-HTC phones hit the stores there will be a big influx of people looking for a site to mod on and I dont think XDA will be able to support it unless they dramatically change their ways.
Was going through my past subscriptions and I came upon this thread. Oh how the tides have changed
Ahhh this brings back so many memories. It's great to see how much XDA has progressed over the years!
With the posibility on the air of opening XDA for non HTC devices, what is your opinion?
Should this go ahead?
Or should we stay only with HTC?
This poll will help Admin & Owners to see what is members opinions, which are very important!
So please vote
See what´s happening here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5335158
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616206
I'm quite interested about this (of course there aren't too many votes yet, but we'll see)...what do people have against non-XDA phones? If we can maintain the same set of quality ROMs and information, what's the objective?
The XDA admins are beginning to experiment with some non-XDA sections (of course sticking with WinMo and Android), so I hope everything continues to move in that direction.
We should stay HTC. There are a ton of users as it is, and while more would be great, xda is slow now, think of it later. I would love to have other manufacturers, but it works about the same if they are all grouped into the general forum. Or everyone could just have HTC manufacture their device and be done with it.
I would like XDA-Devs to open to also non-HTC-devices. There are several non HTC-devices that are also very interesting, like for instance Xperia X2, Samsung, Toshiba, etc..
Why not? .. unless the traffic could be compromised, otherwise i dont see why not having other WinMo devices sections, like Samsung , Toshiba, and Other windows mobile devices
Besides my HTC phone, I also have a WM Samsung device, and it`s great I can find good info for it here too. So if you can handle the extra users, why not? There are many great smartphone devices from other manufacturers, let`s give them a chance. Competition makes the world evolve.
Of course , yes. I don't have anything against HTC, as 5 of my six WM phones have been HTC but I feel we are more a user community which does not need to be distinguished and divided based on manufacturers.
Also, I feel it will lead to better phones from HTC. Reason, simple - if other brands are allowed here, more people will buy those brands owing to better support leading to increased competition for HTC. Eventually, as users we will get more technology for less
no point of having this post or poll as xda is already a open forum for windows mobile all the while
the name 'xda' came from O2 Xda product line on touchscreen & powered by windows.
when xda atom came along from O2 asia, its already known that its not a htc product but its still listed here.
Not yet...
Not yet. To this date we are still an HTC devices forum, the discussion is open for including non HTC devices and this poll was created to help Owners and Admin to feel the pulse of the members, so it´s important to know what is members opinion
orb3000 said:
Not yet. To this date we are still an HTC devices forum, the discussion is open for including non HTC devices and this poll was created to help Owners and Admin to feel the pulse of the members, so it´s important to know what is members opinion
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its is only u who always bring this up
Tabbe said:
its is only u who always bring this up
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Somebody has to do it
If I´m doing something wrong take for sure Mods will let me know
Keep it to WM & Android. Maybe try one other than HTC device forum first before adding others. Then phase them in slowly. To make sure it doesn't get over crowded or unproductive!
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no point of having this post or poll as xda is already a open forum for windows mobile all the while
the name 'xda' came from O2 Xda product line on touchscreen & powered by windows.
when xda atom came along from O2 asia, its already known that its not a htc product but its still listed here.
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That was actually a mistake made by the admins, and they deemed it unfair to remove the forum after they realized their error. If you notice, other O2 XDA models not made by HTC don't have forums here.
I hope they do decide to go for it. Sure, there are other forums for other manufacturers devices, but NONE of them are even remotely as good as this one.
Take the Acer M900 device as an example. On the ETEN users forum, some ROMS came out for that device, one of which had been built blind, but the chef didn't tell anyone that little tidbit. Now, anyone that burned that ROM is hosed with burning official ROMS as you just get a "ROM Incompatible" error. The only way now is to edit the "magic byte" to burn a ROM, any ROM. Still no fix for it.
If that had happened here, a fix would have been around by now...
It shouldn't even be a question. Who cares which company made the device? If people need help and this forum can do that, then I fail to see why it shouldn't. While I personally prefer HTC devices, I'm open to other being helped in any way possible.
In my opinion, XDA's first non-HTC device should be the Droid.
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That was actually a mistake made by the admins, and they deemed it unfair to remove the forum after they realized their error. If you notice, other O2 XDA models not made by HTC don't have forums here.
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and thats my point, why restrict since by using "xda" and not 'htc'
I hope so
Cuz I am in the mood for a samsung B7620. Not because it is so beautiful, it is completely ugly and I hate Armani, but I realy like the specs on that device. The biggest problem however is the lak of a community like XDA. As HTC is not bringing out any high end devices with qwerty and winmo, TP2 was just a makeover, I feel forced into other directions.
I say stick with HTC. Because once this forum becomes something like Howard Forums, I'm going to leave it forever.
I believe now that forums should be specific to manufacturer, or else chaos and confusion will ensue.
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I say stick with HTC. Because once this forum becomes something like Howard Forums, I'm going to leave it forever.
I believe now that forums should be specific to manufacturer, or else chaos and confusion will ensue.
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by adding sub forum, what confusion & chaos will it cause to you to leave this forum?
anyway the poll result has the answer
I agree that this forum should include sections for non-HTC WM (and maybe android) devices.
I currently own a samsung jack and it, along with its predecessors - the blackjacks, are probably the most popular non-touchscreen WM phones. Yet they have no dedicated section.
Sever less popular phones on the other hand do have their own sections.
I see very little distinction between any WM phone manufacturers - the software is mostly what matters right?
And I would love it if my Jack had the kind of support my old Gene had around here.
PROGRESS
25 MARCH 12 - Please sign the Groubal petition here (thanks to nfs1mw for the heads up):
http://www.groubal.com/ics-drivers-compiled-for-armv6-from-qualcomm/
27 MARCH 12 - Received an email from the CEO of Groubal (see here).
29 MARCH 12 - Mission accomplished! Qualcomm has released the drivers here.
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We voiced our opinion. Qualcomm heard our opinion. Qualcomm released the drivers. Time for some serious ICS ports
Article on the XDA portal: http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...no-2xx-gpu-binaries-for-on-ics-armv6-devices/
sweetnsour said:
I started the petition on March 25. Four days later, the drivers for ARMv6 has been released. I would like to thank the following for making this happen:
nfs1mw: It was nfs1mw who had told me about Groubal, and if it weren't for him, I would have never heard of the petition, which means that I would have never made it. He deserves a lot of credit.
Groubal: Groubal gave us the means to voice our opinions. Many of us wanted the drivers but there wasn't much we can do. Our individual voices did not mean much. Groubal helped unify our individual voices into one, making it possible for our voice to be heard by Qualcomm.
Qualcomm: Of course, Qualcomm did not have to listen to us. But they did. Thanks to Qualcomm for listening to what we had to say. The drivers they released will definitely help a lot of developers who are porting CM9. I remember reading a conversation that said a device could not be supported if it used a hack for hardware acceleration. Now, things are going to change with these drivers. We should all head over to Qualcomm's forums and thank them for all they have done.
You: I'm sure that a lot of you that are reading this have signed the petition. We hit almost 4000 signatures over the course of 4 days. Each and every one of you that signed the petition played a role in this. Each and every signature only made our voice stronger and stronger.
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About the drivers:
This release contains the user-mode driver binaries for Qualcomm's Adreno 2xx GPU on Google Android Ice Cream Sandwich for ARMv6 based chipsets. It has been tested with the CAF release M8960AAAAANLYA1030. Supports any Adreno 2xx GPU on Android ICS using the ARMv6 chipset (7x27). Google's libRS (LLVM) does not currently support ARMv6.
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[PLEASE READ]"Petition" Qualcomm for ICS Drivers Compiled for ARMv6? I think it is time to change the title of the thread
History of thread:
Hey guys! As many of us know, Qualcomm released Adreno 2xx drivers for ICS. However, these drivers are compiled for ARMv7. Many of us have phones that use ARMv6, so these drivers are pretty much useless for us. So I decided to contact Qualcomm regarding this issue:
I would like to thank you guys for releasing the drivers for Ice Cream Sandwich. It really means a lot as it shows your support for the developer community. However, many of us were quick to find out that these drivers have been compiled for ARMv7. Although ARMv6 may be a thing of the past (or at least becoming quickly outdated), there is still quite a number of us that still have phones that use ARMv6, myself included.
There are many developers that are trying to port Ice Cream Sandwich to a good number of devices. For the devices that use ARMv7, true hardware acceleration is now possible thanks to your drivers. But for the devices that use ARMv6, true hardware acceleration is not possible without your help. Most, if not all, ARMv6 devices that I am aware of use hacks to bring hardware acceleration. Although I am not a developer, I am sure these "hacks" are nothing compared to what your drivers (for ARMv6) may bring.
As big as the developer community is, there are a lot of things that we cannot do without your help. Only Qualcomm can release Adreno 2xx drivers compiled for ARMv6. Other than that, there is not much we can do. Yes, there are still hacks, but between these hacks and your drivers, I'm sure the developer community would choose your drivers. While you may wonder why you should still support an old processor, our Adreno GPUs have a lot of potential, and releasing the drivers for ARMv6 will only prove just that. Please consider this request on behalf of many ARMv6 users.
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Change of plans: At first I thought contacting them using the "Contact Us" form would be the right method, but it turns out that it wasn't:
myopicrhino said:
Hey people,
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but please don't use the Contact Us form for this. That just generates an email to a handful of us, none of whom have the power to make this happen. I have forwarded on the request to the appropriate people, and any further requests are not going to speed the process along, or make it more likely that we'll do it.
In general, the best method to request things is in the developer forums. Those posts are seen by a much wider audience, and are actively tracked.
Thanks!
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It is recommended that we use the developer forums and post there. Here are the links to the forums regarding this issue:
https://developer.qualcomm.com/forum/qdevnet-forums/mobile-gaming-graphics-optimization-adreno/8081
https://developer.qualcomm.com/forum/qdevnet-forums/mobile-gaming-graphics-optimization-adreno/10412
Maybe with enough people contacting them, Qualcomm will consider releasing drivers for ARMv6
If you guys can, can you submit this thread as a news tip? Also, in your phone's forum, can you post a link to this thread in any of your ICS-related threads? I would like as much people as possible to see this and contact Qualcomm.
I am sure there is a lot more than just this, but here is a list of phones that I believe should be concerned with this issue (this has been brought to the attention of the phones that are in bold). I will continue to spread the word to more forums until I run out of forums to post in or until I get banned for spamming the same message everywhere (got an infraction for doing so ):
HTC Aria
HTC Nexus One
HTC Wildfire S
LG GT540 Optimus
LG Optimus One/T
LG Optimus V
Samsung Galaxy Ace
Samsung Galaxy Fit
Samsung Galaxy Gio
Samsung Galaxy Mini
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X8
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini Pro
ZTE Blade
I just send my request Looking for reply on my gmail
Yes, I'm going to contact them!
I have sent my short request too
Thanks so much for releasing Adreno 2xx drivers compiled for ARMv7, but there is a big community over here using devices which have ARMv6. Its true that normally latest technologies are first to be served but we have developers working hard to port ICS to ARMv6 devices like LG P500.
Kindly support us in this case.
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I sent too.
Sent hope they will respond back
sent, hope they will hear us as they did when asking for ICS drivers
I've also sent. Lets keep sending requests and hope for the best.
I sent one too.
Me too
Hope they reply
Hope they consider our requeast.
Sent from something, I don't remember it...
If you guys can, can you submit this thread as a news tip? Also, in your phone's forum, can you post a link to this thread in any of your ICS-related threads? I would like as much people as possible to see this and contact Qualcomm.
Thank you for submiting your question.
sent
hope they'll consider it
omg got this in reply from them.
Okay, very clearly, someone made a post somewhere encouraging people to use the Contact Us form on developer.qualcomm.com, since I've been getting dozens of nearly identical messages. This is absolutely not the correct way to bring attention to this. Can you direct me to the post in question so I can respond? Thanks ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:17 AM To: qdn.adreno.questions Subject: Form submission from: Contact Us
Hey people,
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but please don't use the Contact Us form for this. That just generates an email to a handful of us, none of whom have the power to make this happen. I have forwarded on the request to the appropriate people, and any further requests are not going to speed the process along, or make it more likely that we'll do it.
In general, the best method to request things is in the developer forums. Those posts are seen by a much wider audience, and are actively tracked.
Thanks!
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Hey people,
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but please don't use the Contact Us form for this. That just generates an email to a handful of us, none of whom have the power to make this happen. I have forwarded on the request to the appropriate people, and any further requests are not going to speed the process along, or make it more likely that we'll do it.
In general, the best method to request things is in the developer forums. Those posts are seen by a much wider audience, and are actively tracked.
Thanks!
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Of course, we wrote on this forum https://developer.qualcomm.com/foru...ming-graphics-optimization-adreno/8081?page=3. But no reply.
Sent! well hopefully
Posted on ZTE Blade forum
did it before I even found this thread
I've started this thread in a hope to spread awareness in a major flaw of Samsung. Though they release the source code for their devices usually in a timely manner, unfortunately the same can't be said for their Exynos soc documentation. I know that our phone doesn't incorporate this chip, but it doesn't mean we can't help the fellow community receive the same benefits as the rest of us. This especially is important to me because I planning on purchasing the Galaxy Note 2 :silly:
A thread was started in the International GS3 thread to help acquire the documentation for their device and an already written inquiry is available to be sent to Samsung's open source department, just use the link on the page. I edited the inquiry when posting it myself to include all device that current have the Exynos chip along with future devices.
Link to page:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Let's join together as a community and help Samsung understand how important this to all of us, even if you never plan on owning a device with the Exynos chip. As stated by Codeworkx,
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Originally Posted by codeworkx
If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.
If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.
If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.
If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do something
If you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.
Yes, it's not the nice way. But it's the only way to give the community a voice.
mjwhirly said:
I've started this thread in a hope to spread awareness in a major flaw of Samsung. Though they release the source code for their devices usually in a timely manner, unfortunately the same can't be said for their Exynos soc documentation. I know that our phone doesn't incorporate this chip, but it doesn't mean we can't help the fellow community receive the same benefits as the rest of us. This especially is important to me because I planning on purchasing the Galaxy Note 2 :silly:
A thread was started in the International GS3 thread to help acquire the documentation for their device and an already written inquiry is available to be sent to Samsung's open source department, just use the link on the page. I edited the inquiry when posting it myself to include all device that current have the Exynos chip along with future devices.
Link to page:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Let's join together as a community and help Samsung understand how important this to all of us, even if you never plan on owning a device with the Exynos chip. As stated by Codeworkx,
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Originally Posted by codeworkx
If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.
If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.
If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.
If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do something
If you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.
Yes, it's not the nice way. But it's the only way to give the community a voice.
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I hate to brake it to you but the skyrocket doesn't have the Exynos soc.
tjsooley said:
I hate to brake it to you but the skyrocket doesn't have the Exynos soc.
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He mentions that in the second sentence in his post...
That said, I agree that it's a good thing to do. If they get away with it once, they may try it again (providing this was intentional), and again and eventually not release the source for anything.
This thread is off topic. Please keep things here about the Skyrocket. Thank you.