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Hello all,
With how big the buzz is on the new Moto Droid, and how awesome the reviews have been on it so far, I'm hoping the modding community would attack it like a wolf on a sheep.
The question of the day though, is where will the modders conglomerate? It's not a HTC phone, so of course it wouldn't be on XDA (though I wish it was, because the android community here is first class awesome).
Why not create a sister site of XDA called droid-developers.com (or any name really, i wrote this because android-developers.com is taken). We could move all of the android forums and posts over to the sister site (which would definitely save bandwidth here on XDA), and that way the devs can have a one stop area for all android development, not just HTC phones. They could then just create new forums for other phones, like the liquid a1, motorola droid, samsung galaxy, etc..
If we have different sites for different manufacturers, the dev and mod community will be broken apart on different sites, whereas they could all be centrally located on one site.
Having all the android devs in one location not only helps form a community, but it also makes it a one stop location for everything android modding and developing. Others have tried doing so, but each attempt failed because there was no backing. If XDA made the site, it would have the backing of XDA, and with them moving all the current android forums over to the new site, it would be instant 100% backing, as that is where the devs would go for their current projects that are already posted, and any new projects.
As it stands now, there is a different forum for dream/magic, yet a lot of the posts get double posted in each because they are applicable to each. when someone is working on an application, do they choose to put it in the Dream section, Magic section, or Hero section? With it's own complete forum, there could be a general app section, etc..
Lets use an example. The Samsung Galaxy. It was the second android phone released. It's a great phone, but because it's not made by HTC, and therefore has no place on XDA, there is no modding community for it at all. A great device (and really the only one with a good amount of internal storage) has no hopes for the modding future because there is no central location for devs to conglomerate. If it was made by HTC, it would have flourished in the modding community simply because it could be discussed and worked on here at XDA.
The main thing, is they're modding Android, not the specific device. Sure each device has it's own quirks, but Android as a whole is what the topic is about. Why limit it to just HTC phones?
So please, if you agree that this will help the android community, vote in the poll, and voice your opinion by posting in this thread.

Well, as I find the proposal fair enough I've voted yes, but I'm not at all convinced about that domain.
If you intend to move devs from this site (which is well known in the android scene) to a new one, and you use as a reason that this was htc specific, you can't possibly try to name the new site droid-developers in direct reference to a motorola phone.

it wasn't used for a motorola reference. android-developers.com is already taken, as is android-devs.com.
If you have any other suggestions for domain names please post them.
Edit: fixed the first post to reflect what i stated here about the name

Are the mods here not going to create a section for this phone?

There will be no section for The Droid, Galaxy, Cliq, Liquid A1, etc.. because they are not HTC phones. XDA is for HTC phones only.

PCTechNerd said:
There will be no section for The Droid, Galaxy, Cliq, Liquid A1, etc.. because they are not HTC phones. XDA is for HTC phones only.
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Have the mods said this somewhere?

livejamie said:
Have the mods said this somewhere?
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Lol, it's the origins of XDA. Look at all the phones listed on the forum. They're all HTC phones. XDA is another name for an older htc phone. This site was made and is used only for HTC phones.

PCTechNerd said:
There will be no section for The Droid, Galaxy, Cliq, Liquid A1, etc.. because they are not HTC phones. XDA is for HTC phones only.
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then why is there xperia x1

JJbdoggg said:
then why is there xperia x1
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Because the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 was made by HTC.

How about making an Android section on this forum that has every Android device, HTC or not? Still under the XDA-Developers.com domain though.

PCTechNerd said:
Because the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 was made by HTC.
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doh should have checked it out

Tawm said:
How about making an Android section on this forum that has every Android device, HTC or not? Still under the XDA-Developers.com domain though.
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That wouldn't work also, as it would make the main site very clustered. the current per phone forum layout is great, and I would hope the new site would maintain the same layout. Each phone definitely needs it's own forum for hardware hacks (like rooting, SPL's, custom ROM's, etc..) but with all Android devices in one place, it's easier for the community to discuss, mod, etc.. from device to device.

you got another yes here. i would like to see all android being supported.

I too would like to see all Android supported. Especially seeings how a lot of the development will apply to most devices.
I personally hope for a new site to offload some traffic. With android coming to more carriers there is bound to be much heavier traffic.

XDA has been invaluable to me since I got my titan a few years back.
As I have been considering the DROID as an upgrade, I would feel much better about that choice knowing it had a great community to support it despite not being an HTC device.

The same could apply to Windows Mobile though. There are great WinMo devices that aren't supported by the xda-dev's. They can only do so much.

I ststed this in another thread. ModMyMoto will have a section for Droid and Cliq. As far as the others Im sure a site such as PPCGeeks will have the other devices covered.
But I wouldnt be chosing a phone based on the presence of a forum. There will always be someone modding a device if it exists, and finding info is easy enough with google.
If all the devices were located on the same forum, you would have all kinds of tardos flashing files to incorrect devices.

If youve been on XDA for a while you know that these conversations come and go. XDA does their thing, they are the big dogs on the block so its not a big deal if it takes another site to fill in the gaps that XDA cant cover.
I post most of my work on alldroid.org because I would like to use that site for software related things and then use XDA for hardware related things for my G1. I think once more non-HTC phones hit the stores there will be a big influx of people looking for a site to mod on and I dont think XDA will be able to support it unless they dramatically change their ways.

Was going through my past subscriptions and I came upon this thread. Oh how the tides have changed

Ahhh this brings back so many memories. It's great to see how much XDA has progressed over the years!

[Poll] New "Android only" forum?

These past weeks I've noticed an increase of irrelevant threads and clutter being made in regards to Android development in the HTC Dream forum and every other Android development forum on xda. A lot of Android devices out on the market now are not made by HTC. This of course is causing a problem since this forum is for HTC devices only.
Maybe it would be a good idea if a new forum was created that accounts for all native Android devices (Motorola Droid/Milestone, Motorola Cliq/Dext, Samsung Galaxy, etc...). That way, a lot of the clutter would surely be resolved and a considerate load would be taken off of this server (Gotta hate the horrible load on xda these days...).
I'm sure there are quiet a few people on here that have an HTC device and are fully satisfied with it (Me included!). That doesn't mean that everyone else has to feel the same way. People that choose to go with Samsung, Motorola, etc. for their next Android device should not be left out. That's why I believe there should definitely be a forum that serves everyone.
To put up a new forum specifically for this matter takes no time at all, but it does take participation. So if you feel like this is something you would like to see, please feel free to leave a comment.
What are you're opinions on this matter? Agree? Disagree?
Discuss.
If there's enough people interested in this project, would there be anyone willing to help getting things started in terms of hosting space or something similar?

Sorry, I misunderstood "a new forum was created that accounts for all native Android devices" to mean that a new subforum on XDA should be made, so I voted no. Upon reading it again, I realized you meant to create an independant Android specific site, which I would actually be in favor of. So while I can't change my vote officially, you should know that one of the "No" votes should actually be considered a "Yes" vote.

Yea, sorry. I meant that there should be a completly new forum for all android devices (not a subforum on xda). Thanks for your vote!
Like I mentioned before, there are definitely more people who agree than those who disagree. Only problem will be to spread the word I guess.

I think XDA-Developers needs to be divided into a Windows Mobile and an Android section and those need to be further divided into HTC and non-HTC ones.
With more and more Android devices, and rising competition for HTC from Samsung, Motorola, Sony Ericsson etc., XDA-Developers cannot stay WM-focused and HTC-only without becoming irrelevant and losing its no.1 status for everything concerning WM and Android development.
EDIT: OR make independent, but linked together, sites for WM and Android and for different manufacturers.

maati said:
EDIT: OR make independent, but linked together, sites for WM and Android and for different manufacturers.
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That's what I'm thinking as well.

I forsee good things to come from this. Or the thread just being closed.
There needs to be a WinMo forum and Android Forum that are both linked from the home page.

I would be all for this, and would be more than happy to fund the project. Hosting, domain fees, coding ect..

I agree completely. It's also annoying to see various large Android Community sites popping up, which deal with everything android, including all models, which includes HTC models... because they are invading the "mindshare", if you will, of "where does one go to get best development and mod info for android OS phones?" ... When the first Android devices were only HTC, this was not an issue, as HTC was correctly housed here and had Android devices forums added.
But yes, the whole touchscreen marketplace has erupted and fractured in the last 6 months, and it would be a bad thing, in my view, if XDA were to become relegated to a "boutique" site, that was great with SOME andorid devices, but AWOL on others.. And as the original poster notes, there is only bound to be more and more cross-device discussion and innovation developments for the whole android platform.
my 3 cents...
maati said:
I think XDA-Developers needs to be divided into a Windows Mobile and an Android section and those need to be further divided into HTC and non-HTC ones.
With more and more Android devices, and rising competition for HTC from Samsung, Motorola, Sony Ericsson etc., XDA-Developers cannot stay WM-focused and HTC-only without becoming irrelevant and losing its no.1 status for everything concerning WM and Android development.
EDIT: OR make independent, but linked together, sites for WM and Android and for different manufacturers.
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So are most of you in favor that an independent site for Android-only devices should be made (WinMo-only devices could also be added later on to another section).
Or do you think that xda should try to change their forum around so that it will fulfill our needs?

Bavilo said:
So are most of you in favor that an independent site for Android-only devices should be made (WinMo-only devices could also be added later on to another section).
Or do you think that xda should try to change their forum around so that it will fulfill our needs?
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I'm totally new to Android; have not even purchased my HERO yet. So take this with a grain of salt... but to me, I think the train already left the station... In the past three weeks as I have investigated HTC Hero, I have encountered 4 or 5 rather substantial communities already built around Android.... I will just list a few of them. Being truthful, there have been very few poll participants here... and it may well be the case that what you are envisioning as a resource already exists -- it's just not here.
So, to me, you either have to (A) turn the whole mothership around (XDA-devs) and try to make a case for why non-HTC devices should fit in more officially here (they are already accomodated "unofficially" and have been for quite some time on the WinMo side -- with tons of questions asked in many a forum about "What about the Omnia? can you release that for Omnia?" and same for Sony Xperia, as just two examples....
or (B) bridge-out to one or more of the communities already developed around modding Android phones... (but again, I am prob the wrong person to comment since I am brand new to Android... )
http://androidforums.com/
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/index.php
http://forum.androidcentral.com/
http://modmygphone.com/forums/

To me, most of those sites just feel like user communities but not any real development like here at XDA.

narunetto said:
To me, most of those sites just feel like user communities but not any real development like here at XDA.
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That's exactly what I want to change. And thanks to Craiger22 this might be possible very soon!

I do think this site needs to drop it's HTC bias to be honest. It makes choosing a new handset quite horrible. On one hand HTC devices get software support on this forum (which is still the best out there). But on the other hand there are some very nice non-HTC devices coming up. It makes choosing a handset a lot harder.
Fair enough if there's some sort of official affiliation with HTC, I can understand that. But is it not just some nostalgic bias relating to the origins of this site? That's the way I understand it anyway.
Personally there's no HTC hardware I want right now and I think that it's a shame that when I replace my X1 I will (if the HTC hardware situation remains similar to how it is now) wind up leaving this community.

CyanogenMod for Galaxy R

We could possibly convince the CM team to cook CM for our device too. We need to request them in their forums.
Please add your requests to these threads.
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/39663-cm-for-galaxy-r-gti9103/
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/40719-please-port-cyanogenmod-to-galaxy-r-i9103/
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/30930-samsung-galaxy-r-z-gt-i9103/
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/37018-please-give-us-cyanogen-mod-for-samsung-galaxy-r-i9103/

I don't think it's gonna make much difference. None of mods/devs have ever answered to any of those threads.
I think that our guys will port it faster.

m.kochan10 said:
I don't think it's gonna make much difference. None of mods/devs have ever answered to any of those threads.
I think that our guys will port it faster.
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The reason is the requests are too few for anyone to notice.
The Devs wont make a ROM for just 5 or 6 people. We need to have a mass request.
Let us give it a try

You may be right, It doesn't harm to try. But I don't think creating new threads is a good idea since we already have....nine of them. Opening new threads will just make mods pissed. We need to chose the one major thread - in section Unofficial Ports (that's the place for unsupported devices), and write there.

I agree with you 100%.
But the question is, which thread do we support?

From what I've seen, the cyanogenmod team won't just take on a new phone like that. Maybe after we have a stable unofficial port, but not til then. Look at how the huawei ideos 1850 progressed, it got a lot of attention after someone ported it for themselves, and now it has official CM. keep going guys but if you really want CM then I think it's better to help get AOSP for R than to spam CM forums...
Sent from my GT-I9103 using XDA App

I absolutely agree, that none gets cm just like that: "-please give us cyanogen!" "-Ok here you go"
(There are already nine threads - every new user seems to want to have his own thread Even I opened one in donators lounge )
Another example. I don't remember what it was for device, but users contacted directly one of cm devs and then created a donation thread, collected money and bought him a phone. Once they got CM development started for real.

I think the max what they can do for us is welcome a new developer from us with this device and let him do CM for R :/. Thats could happen with LG GT540 and there was a veeeeeeeeeeeeery big spam about CM for it.

+1
CM is the beast..

I guess after our device gets ICS it will step into the world of real dev'ing.

If someone has good experience with repos and AOSP + CM7 stuff please help me with my git repo here:
http://github.com/EmoBoiix3/android_device_samsung_galaxyr

Although we don't have many devs who own this device, it feels very nice that we have a couple of members who are willing to put their best efforts to port the ROM.
We could show our gratitude and support when they bring out the early builds by donating. Please show your support friends.

+1
Must need cm7
Sent from my GT-I9103 using xda premium

And regarding the ICS for our phone, I can sense some delay. Samsung leaks firmwares frequently during development. Probably because they know that we guys flash it and report bugs here. It would save them time on testing.
Couple of builds have leaked for Galaxy SII.
None for ours yet. Same with Optimus 2x. The users from O2x forum say that the OEMs are waiting for NVidia to release the sources.
We can expect ICS for i9103 in Q2

^^
thats a sad bit of news

ICS
Official ICS for SGR is due Q1 of 2012. I think only after release of the official rom, devs will start working

Good news as the first Tegra 2 device running Android 4 (ICS) will be on sale starting 15 Jan. 2012.
The device is Acer Iconia Tab A200 and it will be a milestone for a ICS port for all the other devices sharing the same CPU/GPU.
The original story here:
Acer Expands Popular Tablet Lineup With Iconia Tab A200, a Full-Featured HD Tablet at an Attractive $329 Price

What about CM?
Hello,
Is anyone still developing of the cyanogenmod for Galaxy R GT-I9103?
I'ld like to offer free allocation for your builds on cyanogenmod.su or any new domain you want!
I have over 1K users, who will be happy to test CM7 or CM9 builds, make bugreports and donate.
Maybe you know someone else who develops cyanogenmod, I'll be grateful for any response.

We have few devs that work on AOSP and CM7. Check these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1558637
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1548775

Yes , that's good . If someone in the CM team is good with kernels maybe they can help me
Defy-ing all limits.

Help get documentation for Exynos SoC

I've started this thread in a hope to spread awareness in a major flaw of Samsung. Though they release the source code for their devices usually in a timely manner, unfortunately the same can't be said for their Exynos soc documentation. I know that our phone doesn't incorporate this chip, but it doesn't mean we can't help the fellow community receive the same benefits as the rest of us. This especially is important to me because I planning on purchasing the Galaxy Note 2 :silly:
A thread was started in the International GS3 thread to help acquire the documentation for their device and an already written inquiry is available to be sent to Samsung's open source department, just use the link on the page. I edited the inquiry when posting it myself to include all device that current have the Exynos chip along with future devices.
Link to page:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Let's join together as a community and help Samsung understand how important this to all of us, even if you never plan on owning a device with the Exynos chip. As stated by Codeworkx,
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Originally Posted by codeworkx
If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.
If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.
If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.
If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do something
If you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.
Yes, it's not the nice way. But it's the only way to give the community a voice.

mjwhirly said:
I've started this thread in a hope to spread awareness in a major flaw of Samsung. Though they release the source code for their devices usually in a timely manner, unfortunately the same can't be said for their Exynos soc documentation. I know that our phone doesn't incorporate this chip, but it doesn't mean we can't help the fellow community receive the same benefits as the rest of us. This especially is important to me because I planning on purchasing the Galaxy Note 2 :silly:
A thread was started in the International GS3 thread to help acquire the documentation for their device and an already written inquiry is available to be sent to Samsung's open source department, just use the link on the page. I edited the inquiry when posting it myself to include all device that current have the Exynos chip along with future devices.
Link to page:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Let's join together as a community and help Samsung understand how important this to all of us, even if you never plan on owning a device with the Exynos chip. As stated by Codeworkx,
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Originally Posted by codeworkx
If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.
If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.
If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.
If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do something
If you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.
Yes, it's not the nice way. But it's the only way to give the community a voice.
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I hate to brake it to you but the skyrocket doesn't have the Exynos soc.

tjsooley said:
I hate to brake it to you but the skyrocket doesn't have the Exynos soc.
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He mentions that in the second sentence in his post...
That said, I agree that it's a good thing to do. If they get away with it once, they may try it again (providing this was intentional), and again and eventually not release the source for anything.

This thread is off topic. Please keep things here about the Skyrocket. Thank you.

Petition to Qualcomm to continue Snapdragon S3 support

Dear villec2 fellow users,
I have just come across a thread from HTC EVO 3D forum calling poor folks like us out there who are stuck with no more updates to sign a petition to Qualcomm.
Apparently due to the lack of driver support from Qualcomm, HTC has been unable to push further updates to our phones. I also think that it is such a shame when we have a relatively new device with remarkable performance but receives no support.
So here's the link: https://www.change.org/petitions/qualcomm-mobile-and-computing-qmc-qualcomm-decided-to-stop-any-further-snapdragon-s3-chipset-support-development-and-not-to-make-kernel-updates-to-provide-compability-for-android-4-2-2-and-newer
Please feel free to sign and share with others, the petition will be sent to Qualcomm and other Android Portals. I do hope that we can make a change . Thanks

Already signed, but I doubt 1k people are enough...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2440548

Thread closed
Not only is there already such a post. (see post above)
Also it has really NO business in development section.