I waited in the line in a TMobile store for an hour. There was only one customer before me. The clerk is extremely inefficient.
They have only black And there is no region lock sticker on the box.
Update: talked with one of the clerk in store, there is NO white note 3 in ANY store yet.
Sorry that you had a bad experience.
If you don't mind me asking, what was the full price, with tax, of the Note 3 at the T-Mobile store? I see on Negri it is $690, but people are saying it is $708 on T-Mobile, but I don't know if that's with tax or not.
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Sorry that you had a bad experience.
If you don't mind me asking, what was the full price, with tax, of the Note 3 at the T-Mobile store? I see on Negri it is $690, but people are saying it is $708 on T-Mobile, but I don't know if that's with tax or not.
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USD 708 was before tax. That is $29.5 monthly charge for 24 months.
preorder Note 3 you had to pay 199 down, but in store you don't. The monthly payment is different.
I just picked up White Note 3 @ Tmobile in Outlet connection in Auburn, WA. There were no lines. I was 1st one to buy a device and after taxes, my bill was $775.26
Not being region locked kind of makes sense - all U.S. phones are carrier locked. Technically, you didn't buy a Samsung phone you bought a T-Mobile phone made by Samsung. So T-Mobile sets the policies that are applied to it. The drama about region locking really only applies in the America's and EU where "unlocked" devices are sold directly to consumers. Samsung doesn't sell direct to consumer in the U.S. so their global policies would only apply if a U.S. carrier chose to accept them.
Just got mine on web order, they had white and black but I wanted black. Special no money down so that is pretty awesome. Just taxes.
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USD 708 was before tax. That is $29.5 monthly charge for 24 months.
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Thanks. I wonder if Negri will charge me tax. If they don't that would save me $75 bucks, which is nothing to sneeze at. Only problem is it's still showing as pre-order on their site, but I want it NOW!!!
I guess i'll wait. I can put that $75 towards a 64GB MicroSD and a decent case.
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there's waaaay too many differences... last night when I went to visit the note 3 page on T-mobile it was $312 and $16/mo for 24 months or whatever and today it's $0 down and $29.50/mo for 24 months.. -shrugs-
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The drama about region locking really only applies in the America's and EU where "unlocked" devices are sold directly to consumers. Samsung doesn't sell direct to consumer in the U.S. so their global policies would only apply if a U.S. carrier chose to accept them.
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Not sure about this since you can get your phone unlocked by the carrier under certain circumstances. We'll know more as these cases write in, but it's certainly simple to check if there are blocklists implemented on US models.
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Thanks. I wonder if Negri will charge me tax. If they don't that would save me $75 bucks, which is nothing to sneeze at. Only problem is it's still showing as pre-order on their site, but I want it NOW!!!
I guess i'll wait. I can put that $75 towards a 64GB MicroSD and a decent case.
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Just go to a store and walk out with one from shelf. $75 is nothing..
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Just go to a store and walk out with one from shelf. $75 is nothing..
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Nuh-uh. $75 is a lot for me. I won't spend it if I don't have to.
It's $75 to not wait lol.
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It's $75 to not wait lol.
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Actually, I was able to use a $20 off coupon (NE20OFFCART) on Negri's website, so the savings is actually more like $100. It came to $668, no tax, no shipping. That's a decent savings for another week or so. I've already waited months for this phone, so another few days won't kill me.
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I just picked up White Note 3 @ Tmobile in Outlet connection in Auburn, WA. There were no lines. I was 1st one to buy a device and after taxes, my bill was $775.26
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I picked up a white one too at T-Mobile in Tukwila/Southcenter, WA. I wonder if the availability of the white one in WA has to do with HQ being in Bellevue...
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Just sold my iPhone a good hefty amount Wheres the best place to get out of contract pricing? 400 isnt much, but I've heard of people getting it for 300? Anyone know where?
Also, my two year ends 02/26/2011, do I qualify for the upgrade pricing from Costco which is 79.99 or do I have to wait until that date?
Alex
Yeah, go to Costco and ask them if you qualify for the early upgrade right now. If not, wait until the 26th... its a great price. ($79) I tried yesterday but they turned me down for an early upgrade, told me to go to the corporate store, and I can get it there. Try your luck!
Would love to know where I can buy one online at a reasonable price with no service contract.
att.com don't sell them without a service contract so that is out
AT&T stores have it retailed for 399.99 without commitment. They probably need more than a few in stock to sell it to you but that's the cheapest I have seen.
Just got mine today from ATT off contract $399 seems to be the cheapest right now anywhere. Seems kinda odd that they wouldn't sell u one.
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Seen eBay prices as low as $320. Could probably dip below $300 in a week. I trust eBay more than say, small obscure handset websites, because I've never had a problem bidding on a phone and getting what I wanted in a timely manner, but when it came to an actual online retailer, they would give me the run-around on shipping or send me a defective product.
sometimes http://www.wirefly.com has good deals on early upgrades.
Just got mine at BB for 324 plus tax. That was no contract price.
I got a pretty good early upgrade yesterday.
I have 2 lines, 1 shows ready for upgrade and the other addon line shows eligible on 4/24/11. Contract is up in August.
I went to a corporate store and they said 99 for the normal upgrade and 399 for the other.
I went home and called customer service and got the same story.
I then asked them what charges I would have if I cancel my account early.
They told me and after a couple of min. they gave me the retention rep.
Ended up getting 2 new Inspires, free shipping, for 79.99 each!
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Just got mine at BB for 324 plus tax. That was no contract price.
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how??
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Att store used an early upgrade for a non data enabled line for us and it was $300 and put on the data enabled line for me, but then i gave it to my wife. THEN the data stopped working for her line and we had to call and explain because there was something that needed to be enabled on her line for the 4g phone, EVEN though att was out of the 4g cards. So we have to go back to the store to get the 4g card i was supposed to get, but going to get for her line now.
Untill i buy another one. Maybe today. But that will probably be the full 400 price. Ill check bestbuy store see if its cheaper
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Just got mine at BB for 324 plus tax. That was no contract price.
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Yeah, HOW ???????????
Shows $599 on the bestbuy website. And bestbuy cant do early upgrades for att accounts ........... SO, HOW ???????????????????????????????????????
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Yeah, HOW ???????????
Shows $599 on the bestbuy website. And bestbuy cant do early upgrades for att accounts ........... SO, HOW ???????????????????????????????????????
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I got BB to match ATT. ATT sells the inspire for $399
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He's a cashier there, haha. Kidding, but seriously, the BestBuy POS doesn't allow it to be rung up at that cost.
Hi,
Wondering if there are any other members out there who are importing the T-mobile Sensation 4G into Canada?
Maybe we can share our experiences and figure out the best options.
The device will have to be sim unlocked, thus far there has been only one confirmed site to have working unlock codes.
http://www.unlock-network.com/
Lowest price online is $579.50, but still in pre-order state. I am assuming that will change on the official release date of 06/15
http://negrielectronics.com/htc-sensation-4g-t-mobile-unlocked.html
I have never dealt with them, just found it doing some searching. Any info on this company?
I bought one on Ebay for $590. Hopefully I will receive it by Friday.
Congrats!
Was it unlocked for $590
If so that seems like a very reasonable price.
How much was the shipping?
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I bought one on Ebay for $590. Hopefully I will receive it by Friday.
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Unfortunately it wasn't unlocked but I will definitely try the unlocking site you provided since It seems to have worked for one individual.
Shipping was $19 for USPS priority mail, so I paid a total of $609 USD
Hopefully the strike wont affect my package.
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Congrats!
Was it unlocked for $590
If so that seems like a very reasonable price.
How much was the shipping?
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Unfortunately it wasn't unlocked but I will definitely try the unlocking site you provided since It seems to have worked for one individual.
Shipping was $19 for USPS priority mail, so I paid a total of $609 USD
Hopefully the strike wont affect my package.
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do you mind providing me with the seller who u dealt with?
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thanks for the thread btw.
Here is the auction I won: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...1&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:CA:1123#ht_1933wt_1135
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Here is the auction I won: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...1&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:CA:1123#ht_1933wt_1135
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i think urs was his last one lol....but he doesn't accept returns....a bit fishy?...
whoa, I never even thought to look at ebay.ca
Please let us know how it works out once you get the phone!
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Here is the auction I won: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...1&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:CA:1123#ht_1933wt_1135
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goin' to florida months end and will pick one up there and ask them to unlock it seeing that i'm canadian (may work)!! then try it on wind and see how it goes...
if anyone finds a good deal that ships to Canada pls let us know too
and btw if anybody has tried any of those sites, would u pls tell how much it cost u?
I have a US social security number as I went to college in California. I will try to get it on contract and cancel after 15 days. With ETF it will be close to $400.
Got mine from omega cellular (i. Think thats the name) in Edmonton. Paid 650 i beleive plus $10 overnight fedex. Came unlocked. Works perfect on wind.
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any updates on any of those unlocking websites?
which ones cheaper/faster/etc?
So a quick update on my end.
I ordered the phone off expansys.ca on Friday night.
Not the cheapest of sites, but felt it was worth it in case of issues and I need to do returns/exchanges.
With HST it came to ~$671 (I also paid for express shipping)
Its supposed to come unlocked.
Here is the link... expansys.ca
if you do decide to order from them, the only other tip is coupon code LSJUNE10 will get you 10 bucks off (I assume it expires at the end of june?)
Will update once I get it
i ordered mine off tmobile, which means that i will have it LOCKED on tmobile.
still looking around to find a way to unlock it
If you're in Vancouver, you can buy it from CellworldCo for $529 + tax unlocked! That is cheaper than the T-mobile price of $550 + $20 for unlocking.
They ship elsewhere in Canada for $30.
I bought mine at pacific mall $600 no tax with free car charger. its sim free unlock. There is another sttore at pacific mall that sells it for $600 tax free with free car charger, screen protector and case but they were out of stock.
Ahhh good to know there are still nice deals to be had at Pacific Mall... Haven't been there in years
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I bought mine at pacific mall $600 no tax with free car charger. its sim free unlock. There is another sttore at pacific mall that sells it for $600 tax free with free car charger, screen protector and case but they were out of stock.
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So my sensation order with expansys is not going so well. After jumping through hoops today to get the alternative shipping address cleared they said the bank won't authorize the charge?
So I think I am going to cancel this order and give cellworldco a try unless there are better deals out there?
Too bad I'm not heading to Toronto anytime soon or I'd give pacific mall a shot, does anyone know if those tiny stores have a website?
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If you're in Vancouver, you can buy it from CellworldCo for $529 + tax unlocked! That is cheaper than the T-mobile price of $550 + $20 for unlocking.
They ship elsewhere in Canada for $30.
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I was doing some searching through the Premier offers and I found this promo for $100 off the At&t Galaxy S4. It says it works with Upgrade customers. I tried to see if my local store would honor it with my pre order and they said I'd have to cancel my pre order and order directly from At&t Premier. Anyone else have luck getting a store to honor the promotion? The store did say they would allow me 50% off accessories.
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I was doing some searching through the Premier offers and I found this promo for $100 off the At&t Galaxy S4. It says it works with Upgrade customers. I tried to see if my local store would honor it with my pre order and they said I'd have to cancel my pre order and order directly from At&t Premier. Anyone else have luck getting a store to honor the promotion? The store did say they would allow me 50% off accessories.
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This is just marketing. I can't attach the screenshot right now but I just checked and they just start at a higher price. It's still $199 after the $100 off.
Here is from the pop-up when I select upgrade on the site.
Retail Price:$719.99
Contract Savings:-$420.00
Your Price:$299.99
$100 off Samsung Galaxy S(R) 4 after instant ...
With Discount:
$199.99
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This is just marketing. I can't attach the screenshot right now but I just checked and they just start at a higher price. It's still $199 after the $100 off.
Here is from the pop-up when I select upgrade on the site.
Retail Price:$719.99
Contract Savings:-$420.00
Your Price:$299.99
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No, I was able to get it in cart for $199 and the promo took it down to $99. It looks like you aren't getting the full discount on the upgrade.
I'm looking at the same screen, it says $299 - 100 = $199, otherwise the same price as everywhere else.... how are you getting $100 off the $199 price?
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I'm looking at the same screen, it says $299 - 100 = $199, otherwise the same price as everywhere else.... how are you getting $100 off the $199 price?
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You're correct, I could have swore it was $99 after rebate. Not much of a rebate if it brings you to the original price lol.
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You're correct, I could have swore it was $99 after rebate. Not much of a rebate if it brings you to the original price lol.
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I was gonna say, I'm gonna drive over to your place and jack that thing if you got it for that price! haha, but hopefully someone will have it at $149 at launch which would get me to my goal of $99 at Best Buy!
No go
I did a little finagling with retention and got a $25 credit for three months and the upgrade fee of $36 waived. That brings it down to $88. I'm happy with that. I was also able to get my messaging 1000 back for $10. The unlimited seems like such a scam.
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I did a little finagling with retention and got a $25 credit for three months and the upgrade fee of $36 waived. That brings it down to $88. I'm happy with that. I was also able to get my messaging 1000 back for $10. The unlimited seems like such a scam.
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how did you get this?
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how did you get this?
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I have had two lines with ATT since 1995, and both lines expire this month and next. I called in and directly asked for retention. First level customer service can't really make offers. Once I was on with retention, I simply asked for credit for being a dedicated customer. Actually, I joked about it and asked for $1000. She laughed, took a few minutes and offered the credits. She was very nice. I wish they would have given me a survey after the call, but they didn't. I would have rated her very highly. Not only due to the credits, but because she really was a delight to talk to. :good:
I'm upgrading one of my line to the S4 but the price went from $199 to $299 at the check out. How much did you guys with ATT Premiere account paid for your S4?
I paid the same as regular at&t. $199
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I'm upgrading one of my line to the S4 but the price went from $199 to $299 at the check out. How much did you guys with ATT Premiere account paid for your S4?
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If you have a premier account, they give you the "$100 off promotion" which brings the phone down from that $299 price to the standard $199. As explained here in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2247597
I just pre ordered through an actual store and paid the $199 price.
Okay, can someone explain to me what exactly is the advantage of AT&T premier? It seems that I have it (discount from my place of work), but from everything I've seen, the GS4 is still the same price as in store...?
Maybe I'm missing something..
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Okay, can someone explain to me what exactly is the advantage of AT&T premier? It seems that I have it (discount from my place of work), but from everything I've seen, the GS4 is still the same price as in store...?
Maybe I'm missing something..
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I get about a 22% discount on my service each month and you get a discount on all accessories and some phones. You usually don't get much of a discount on a phone that has just been released.
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I get about a 22% discount on my service each month and you get a discount on all accessories and some phones. You usually don't get much of a discount on a phone that has just been released.
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Gotcha. Thanks. Yeah, it looks like I'm getting a 15% discount which is alright. I was also told by 611 that I get free overnight shipping on all orders via Premier. Not sure if that's 100% true or not because I've always done my shopping at the corp store anyway.
Just contacted Premier CS. I had to upgrade my plan code. Everything works now. Waiting impatiently for my S4. How much could I get for me S3 on the black market?
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Just contacted Premier CS. I had to upgrade my plan code. Everything works now. Waiting impatiently for my S4. How much could I get for me S3 on the black market?
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I got about $350 for my wifes gs3 from tmobile a month ago. I plan on selling my unlocked note 2 on swappa for almost $500.
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I got about $350 for my wifes gs3 from tmobile a month ago. I plan on selling my unlocked note 2 on swappa for almost $500.
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mine they charged me $299 so pissed ordered 2 cells, gonna call in the morning
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mine they charged me $299 so pissed ordered 2 cells, gonna call in the morning
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I got mine for 179.00 I think because I have been a premier member for a while maybe its a credit, I just got my phone yesterday. Its nice and thin but holy moly is it loaded with crap. Cant wait to root this thing!!!!
Weird, I had no such issues with mine when I ordered premier. I preordered 4/16 and got it 4/24. Great phone so far btw. Can't wait for root to clear out the crap on it though.
I ordered mine on the 24th and had an issue with the checkout button sending me to an error page at the very last step. When I restarted the process, it had changed my plan details from "550 minutes" to "Add a line" (my phone is a second line). This reduced the cost to less than the $35 dollar minimum or whatever that the $100 instant off requires.
I cleared my cookies in another browser and restarted the process. I was able to get through that time without an issue and it had reverted back to the "550 minutes" so I got the $100 off.
I did have to choose a "new" data plan though I was still able to select Unlimited Personal Data Plan for 4G LTE Smartphones (what I had previously). The code changed from LTEDPPBVM to LDPPBVM5 or something like that. Probably just a coding change internally.
I do get free overnight shipping with Premier, I don't know if this is the case for everyone. My phone shipped yesterday and is out for delivery today.
im on the phone now with them when i said $299 they guy was taken back a little bit and said that didnt sound right and he was also amazed that i got the phone 1 day after ordering, dont call the sales department tho i called them and have waited 20min to get transfered to internet department
long story short you need to upgrade your plan and they wont help me with any discounts because i have the old plan grandfathered in with unlimited data
Mine came in yesterday. I paid $174.99 and ordered over the phone with the premier dept. I've had better luck over the phone on prices. They seem to be able to "bend the rules" a little more.
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I don't know if anybody knows but I bought my note 3 at sam's club for $288, great deal if you have a membership or a friend does
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I don't know if anybody knows but I bought my note 3 at sam's club for $288, great deal if you have a membership or a friend does
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Is this without a contract? They're $299 with a contract.
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Is this without a contract? They're $299 with a contract.
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What do you think?
fgvb said:
Is this without a contract? They're $299 with a contract.
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Of course on contract, but through sprint the phone is $350 on upgrade
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Of course on contract, but through sprint the phone is $350 on upgrade
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Not such a great deal when you consider the contract part of it, I think. They've got you for two years at probably $70+/month ($1680 at least). And during those two years, if you want to upgrade, they'll probably make you sign a new contract AND pay the new contract price (if they even let you upgrade). Sounds like a raw deal to me.
I'll take my $670 upfront cost, no contract and $30/month plan anyday. Next year, if I want a new phone, I sell this one for $450, get whatever new phone I want, and never even have to consider my carrier as an obstacle.
Just my $.02.
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Not such a great deal when you consider the contract part of it, I think. They've got you for two years at probably $70+/month ($1680 at least). And during those two years, if you want to upgrade, they'll probably make you sign a new contract AND pay the new contract price (if they even let you upgrade). Sounds like a raw deal to me.
I'll take my $670 upfront cost, no contract and $30/month plan anyday. Next year, if I want a new phone, I sell this one for $450, get whatever new phone I want, and never even have to consider my carrier as an obstacle.
Just my $.02.
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Where for that price?
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Where for that price?
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I pre-ordered mine on Negrielectronics. I used a coupon for $20 off (sorry, that coupon is no longer valid, but there are others that are still good), and Negri's price was already cheaper than T-Mobile's. Plus no tax and shipping. Ended up saving $100 over T-Mobile's off-contract price.
They still haven't shipped their devices, but for $100 in savings, I can wait a few days extra. And of course, having no contract is the icing on top.
I bought mine at a Cambodian store made in vietnam class b with 1 year warranty 32gb white no region lock tried with thai simcard all ok and cambodian sim all fine tried my roaming philippine line still workin. Costed me 696$
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I pre-ordered mine on Negrielectronics. I used a coupon for $20 off (sorry, that coupon is no longer valid, but there are others that are still good), and Negri's price was already cheaper than T-Mobile's. Plus no tax and shipping. Ended up saving $100 over T-Mobile's off-contract price.
They still haven't shipped their devices, but for $100 in savings, I can wait a few days extra. And of course, having no contract is the icing on top.
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Thanks. I'm close to pulling the trigger on one. I use RedPocket and do not want to pay ATT for even one month as required on their no contract price.
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Thanks. I'm close to pulling the trigger on one. I use RedPocket and do not want to pay ATT for even one month as required on their no contract price.
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Well, if you wait a couple of weeks, they'll probably start showing up on Swapp (XDA Marketplace) once the 14-day return window has passed. People might change their minds and list them for sale.
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Well, if you wait a couple of weeks, they'll probably start showing up on Swapp (XDA Marketplace) once the 14-day return window has passed. People might change their minds and list them for sale.
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Thanks for the heads up. Now trying to sort thru the different models (carrier differences) and prices. I used to think the Tmo and ATT hardware were the same. I'm not so sure anymore. The ATT flavor is $55 more expensive on Ngri. It also appears the 64GB model is not available anywhere that I've seen. Don't know how important the memory issue is since an SD card can be added.... Since I use an ATT MVNO I have to be sure about compatibility. Is there really a difference in the 4g freqs ?
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Thanks for the heads up. Now trying to sort thru the different models (carrier differences) and prices. I used to think the Tmo and ATT hardware were the same. I'm not so sure anymore. The ATT flavor is $55 more expensive on Ngri. It also appears the 64GB model is not available anywhere that I've seen. Don't know how important the memory issue is since an SD card can be added.... Since I use an ATT MVNO I have to be sure about compatibility. Is there really a difference in the 4g freqs ?
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This thread on XDA seems to suggest that both the T-Mobile and AT&T versions support the exact same frequencies.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2464498
I've noticed the difference in price as well, and it is considerable. I'm not sure why the T-Mobile version is cheaper than the others. Negri buys theirs directly from T-Mobile, so it could just be that they are getting a better deal from T-Mobile than the other carriers.
As for the storage, 32GB is pretty decent to start with. I've seen that that translates to about 25GB of user accessible storage out of the box. And yes, most people have MicroSD cards already, and 32GB cards are pretty cheap these days (I bout mine for $20 last year). Someone also just posted a link in this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2466753) to a 128GB MicroSD card. Of course, the price is ridiculous, so I don't see many people buying that.