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Stock AOSP ROM for Sensation 4G

Is anyone aware of a plain vanilla stock Android ROM that can be used with the Sensation 4G? Basically I am looking for the "pure" Android experience that comes on the G2, G2x, etc but without the bloatware and that is unlocked. I know there are a number of other ROM's out there that people will claim are better, but I am more than happy to start clean (and stable!) and add what I want. Any suggestions? As good as some of the other ROM's surely are, I would prefer one that came directly from Google and can basically guarantee all functionality will work. Thoughts?

There are none yet, at least none that are fully functional. i guess you will have to wait some more weeks.

senseless extreme is 2.3.4 AOSP with some sense features (like the dialer, the people and sms apps etc. but there's very little trace of sense on the rom). give it a go, i 've tried it myself, seems ok, and the dev keeps it up to date i guess. once CyanogenMod 7.1 's available for the Sensation go try it, it will be your best guess closest to aosp + tweaks. best roms out there imo.

I've just flashed Senseless Extreme and it's great
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I havent yet found a stock AOSP ROM, is anyone else aware of one that has been released?

webmaster said:
I havent yet found a stock AOSP ROM, is anyone else aware of one that has been released?
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are you serious? thats what theyve been saying this whole post... what you're looking for doesn't exist at the moment.

Yes I am serious. I has been almost three weeks since I created this post (and asked the question) and a lot can happen in that period of time.

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Yes I am serious. I has been almost three weeks since I created this post (and asked the question) and a lot can happen in that period of time.
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A lot can happen, yes. But asking the same damn question shows your lack of respect for this community by not putting in your own legwork first to try and and answer your question.
Had you done your own legwork (instead of asking us to do it for you), you would find that the same aosp build in progress hasn't changed on the user end, but it seems they're making a lot of progress. But it's still not ready yet (and no eta as to when due to kernel.org being hacked and all associated git repos being shut down until further notice).
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A lot can happen, yes. But asking the same damn question shows your lack of respect for this community by not putting in your own legwork first to try and and answer your question.
Had you done your own legwork (instead of asking us to do it for you), you would find that the same aosp build in progress hasn't changed on the user end, but it seems they're making a lot of progress. But it's still not ready yet (and no eta as to when due to kernel.org being hacked and all associated git repos being shut down until further notice).
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First, I am not asking the same question again. I simply replied to an existing thread checking for updates. Second, you clearly didnt read what I wrote or you decided to reply rudely anyway. I did the "legwork" and couldnt find an AOSP ROM on my own, so I wanted to see if anyone in this community was either working on one or was aware of one that hasnt yet gone mainstream.

The only thing that is an issue to me with these "senseless ROMS" is that when someone calls you, you must unlock the phone (with the stock android unlock screen) and only then can you click andswer phone. It is a limitation in all senseless or stock ROMS.
I too am waiting for Cyanogenmod

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The only thing that is an issue to me with these "senseless ROMS" is that when someone calls you, you must unlock the phone (with the stock android unlock screen) and only then can you click andswer phone. It is a limitation in all senseless or stock ROMS.
I too am waiting for Cyanogenmod
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Yeah, I have heard that (about senseless ROMs) from a number of people and thats why I am holding out for something better. Cyanogenmod should be good, but I figured a pure stock ROM would be released prior to that. I guess time will tell as to which comes first!

LupusHD2 said:
senseless extreme is 2.3.4 AOSP with some sense features (like the dialer, the people and sms apps etc. but there's very little trace of sense on the rom). give it a go, i 've tried it myself, seems ok, and the dev keeps it up to date i guess. once CyanogenMod 7.1 's available for the Sensation go try it, it will be your best guess closest to aosp + tweaks. best roms out there imo.
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Senseless Extreme is not AOSP, but probably the closest we have to AOSP at present.

Stable ICS/JB ROMs?

Hey.
I've been on jb roms since they came out for desire s and have been using ics before that. However... ics roms have been in beta stage since ever and have not really advanced in terms of having stable or even working main functions. Well this is because of the fact that our devs did not have kernel sources. There have been words that kernel source release would solve all our major issues like front cam and others. But kernel source has been released and I'm seeing a decline in our forum's traffic and in development. I know i's partly due to many original members leaving. But I also hear that devs are facing difficulty in making the kernel. So I want to ask, will we ever have fully stable ics or jb roms or is this not a possibility?
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Sorry for the tone, but this is a pretty pointless thread (IMO) there are already several others in a similar vein that exist and as we don't have a time machine and can't see into the future....although speculation appears to what the majority of threads contains these days....
This is now unfortunately an old device and as you rightly pointed out lots of the forums previous users have moved on to bigger and better new devices so the forum traffic was always bound to fall. We still have several devs that are developing for this device so don't do them a dis-service by suggesting that no progress has been made. Just look at the CM, AKOP and JB source build threads for examples.....
Since the release of the kernel source - progress has certainly been made, just look at the tweaked kernel we can now use, in which we are now able to UV & OC not to mention that the wifi tether issues are now resolved... everything takes time, so be patient....or learn to code yourself and help out!

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Sorry for the tone, but this is a pretty pointless thread (IMO) there are already several others in a similar vein that exist and as we don't have a time machine and can't see into the future....although speculation appears to what the majority of threads contains these days....
This is now unfortunately an old device and as you rightly pointed out lots of the forums previous users have moved on to bigger and better new devices so the forum traffic was always bound to fall. We still have several devs that are developing for this device so don't do them a dis-service by suggesting that no progress has been made. Just look at the CM and AKOP threads for examples.....
Since the release of the kernel source - progress has certainly been made, just look at the tweaked kernel we can now use, in which we are now able to UV & OC not to mention that the wifi tether issues are now resolved... everything takes time, so be patient....or learn to code yourself and help out!
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I fully understand the devs' hard work and their dedications. That's not what this thread is asking. It seems to many devs that they are still having a hard time adjusting ics and jb to our device even upon kernel source release. Despite the prior speculation that things would be much easier with kernel source. So I was bringing the problem forth to see if it is possible for us to have stable ics or jb roms. No need to be all defensive. Just want an objective discussion
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custom roms are rearly FULLY stable. there is always a little bug here and there. but since the release of the official ICS and the latest kernel source ICS roms are getting mature at last. and if you're still not satisfied, wait a month more. or flash the official ICS and have a really stable rom now.
JB is another story. there is no native kernel source for it and i doubt there will ever be.

I totally see where you are both coming from. The kernel source was released over a fortnight ago.
I agree with Ben, in respect we should appreciate what the current devs have given us etc etc,
But I also agree with skim, I am quite surprised that with the kernel source released, AOSP still hasn't got a functional kernel based on our Saga build. (Andromadus is using a kernel port)
I was hoping for at least ICS AOSP to be working by now, but I guess that is not the case
The forums have certainly gone a lot quieter now, and I suspect by the end of the year, even more of us will leave
But back to the original point, I wish that things could pick up like they were this time last year, but sadly that will never happen.
I have no intentions of insulting any devs, I truly appreciate the work they have provided us, and I haven't contributed anything particularly useful, so I am in no position to do so, but this is just how I feel.
When I look through forums like the S2, I envy the development... even after a year, ROMs are still on full scale, with so many choices to choose from...
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Unfortunately Oly I don't think that you can compare the DS to the SGS2. We unfortunately were never a main stream device (like the SGS2), we sadly missed the boat, with the Sensation coming out shortly after our release, I reckon that the focus went from DHD to Sensation and the limelight never really shone on us long enough to get a main stream following.
The Samsung onslaught appears to unbeatable currently sadly even the One series hasn't really made a dent.

We must all accept the inevitable that our device (Desire S) is by fact outdated with the phase of how fast mobile technology comes. That said, sooner or later, our thread will surely die.
It is with great appreciation that our devs are prolonging the inevitable. Most will surely be having new devices comes these coming months. I too will be leaving the scene as a new device is surely coming at hand in two months time.
Everything in our life changes. One must be oblige to flow with it. If not, one will be left alone and at lost.
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For an answer for the OP. THERE WILL BE a stable JB/ICS ROM as long as a dev will be willing to still work on it. If not, then THERE WILL BE NOT.
Long answer short: we will never know unless there will be one.
Moral of this post: learn to accept the truth that you have to move on to a new device if you really want to have a stable up-to-date ROM, even past JB.
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Well, that was philosophical!
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Skanob said:
We must all accept the inevitable that our device (Desire S) is by fact outdated with the phase of how fast mobile technology comes. That said, sooner or later, our thread will surely die.
It is with great appreciation that our devs are prolonging the inevitable. Most will surely be having new devices comes these coming months. I too will be leaving the scene as a new device is surely coming at hand in two months time.
Everything in our life changes. One must be oblige to flow with it. If not, one will be left alone and at lost.
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For an answer for the OP. THERE WILL BE a stable JB/ICS ROM as long as a dev will be willing to still work on it. If not, then THERE WILL BE NOT.
Long answer short: we will never know unless there will be one.
Moral of this post: learn to accept the truth that you have to move on to a new device if you really want to have a stable up-to-date ROM, even past JB.
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Haha I don't know about you man... but I'm a student and learning to move on to a new device is not as easy as it sounds. I'm stuck with a contract until next April. So ill be sticking around here till then xD
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I think custom roms have advantages, but it's not easy for the devs to make them perfect.
If i compare the stock ROM of x10mini/pro with custom cm6/7 ROM, the stock ROM sucks...

SteveO_ said:
I think custom roms have advantages, but it's not easy for the devs to make them perfect.
If i compare the stock ROM of x10mini/pro with custom cm6/7 ROM, the stock ROM sucks...
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htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.

anazhd said:
htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.
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At the moment i'm using stock rom (sense) too, cause my prefered custom rom has still a problem with battery drain...
As soon this is fixed, i'll go to ICS DS again...
But at all, the ICS stock rom is working very nice...

Fallout v4.4.0 is pretty stable to me, been using since a while now.

Tonight i'll try Fallout 5.0, let's see how it is... :highfive:

MIUI 2.8.x or 2.9.x
I recently flashed MIUI 2.8.17 and its been a joyful ride! It is very very stable. I had to reboot only once so far and that is an intermittent bug. BT/WiFi/Tethering/Camera etc. etc. everything works! (hard to find that in an ICS ROM)! Its my daily ROM now.. :good:

Fallout 5.0
I got myself S-off and rooted 2 days ago.
The first custom rom Ive tried is Fallout 5.0. Only one day into my test and it's very stable and fast compared to stock gingerbread.
I'm very pleased with it so far :good:

anazhd said:
htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.
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My Gingerbread stock rom experience made me root my phone. I kept getting the white screen with the green HTC logo and no matter what I did it always came back. I have now tried out about 5 or 6 custom roms and this issue no longer appears. Of course there are other issues, some of which are serious. But there are ROMs which are in general more than good enough for day to day usage. I currently use ICE-DSv5 but for example Fallout v4.4 is stable (v5 is not stable for me but it is for a lot of people).
If you are interested you can look at my other thread here called "My First Rooted Phone" for an overview of my experiences so far.

Blindbean and Codename are great JB roms, not fully stable, but good to work with.

Yes. I flash every recent roms so I know how they are. I started this thread to get an idea of if it is possible to have a stable rom. The devs have been struggling with major bugs since early this year and we're still stuck with the same bugs we had prior to the release of the kernel sources. I do know it is a difficult process. But wanted an answer from a dev. Is it possible for us to have working front cam, proper video playback, etc. ? This isn't complaining btw just wanted an answer other than "be patient. Be thankful. It's good enough"
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if you want stable flash rooted stock. it has everything you mentioned. combine it with tweaked kernel and you have even more...

Sense 4+ with jellybean

Does anybody have a more specific eta for the update? HTC said it would be this month but it is almost over. Somebody enlighten me with anything?
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Well I unfortunately cannot enlighten you although I can say that month estimate would be for the international (Tegra). One X and for what I know it might be Christmas before AT&T or some other carrier releases jelly bean for the HTC One XL
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Thanks very much ;D still a great device
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ttinjust96 said:
Thanks very much ;D still a great device
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great device made by a joke of a company who clearly doesn't give a rats arse about keeping current customers

bloodrain954 said:
great device made by a joke of a company who clearly doesn't give a rats arse about keeping current customers
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Wow dude, you can help yourself can you?
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That's why there are developers and custom roms
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bloodrain954 said:
great device made by a joke of a company who clearly doesn't give a rats arse about keeping current customers
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You're free to switch to a different OEM, no one is stopping you... For the rest of us, we're more than happy to use custom ROMs, they're usually much better than any OEM's updates anyways.

d3v14n7 said:
You're free to switch to a different OEM, no one is stopping you... For the rest of us, we're more than happy to use custom ROMs, they're usually much better than any OEM's updates anyways.
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Just a side note, without official updates the amount of features working on custom ROMs starts to decline.

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Just a side note, without official updates the amount of features working on custom ROMs starts to decline.
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Just out of honest curiosity, why is that?

Mister J said:
Just a side note, without official updates the amount of features working on custom ROMs starts to decline.
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Not quite true, for some devices the lack of update promotes devs to produce some great unique roms. Port updated versions of android to a device that would otherwise never receive it
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Just out of honest curiosity, why is that?
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One factor is by that time most devs have probably moved onwards to more current devices.
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fungied.cheese said:
Just out of honest curiosity, why is that?
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They can use the official updates as a base and then make their ROM from there. The official updates contain all the drivers and features and its easy to build up. Making ROMs from scratch is difficult to say the least.

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Just a side note, without official updates the amount of features working on custom ROMs starts to decline.
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Not quite... Having the OEM's official update makes creating custom ROMs MUCH easier, sure. But being easier doesn't make them better, in fact, its quite the opposite... The better custom ROMs come from being built off of the AOSP source, not from the OEM's source. ROMs built from the OEM's source will still have many of the official ROM's inherent flaws, which kinda defeats the purpose of custom ROMs to begin with (and the main reason why I haven't flashed anything onto my One X yet)... Then we have porting ROMs from other devices which is one of the main reasons why you see ROMs with missing features such as cameras, WiFi and so on, along with other bloat and garbage files/drivers that aren't needed for the device it's being ported onto, but may cause issues if removed completely whether its used or not.
The problem devs are facing now is that they're spread too thin throughout hundreds of devices, back in the HTC Dream/Tmobile G1 days, building ROMs from the AOSP source wasn't a problem because they were all working on the same device, and could pool their resources to turn out MUCH better, faster and stable ROMs at a MUCH faster pace... Today, that's seemingly impossible since there are so many great devices out there (and more being released every few months), not to mention the competition between devs for recognition and donations, which isn't good for the community as a whole... Devs simply cannot keep up, so instead of building off of AOSP (which takes longer), most of them build off of the official updated ROMs or ROMs ported from other devices to make things easier and have a faster turn around time. Not to mention there are many "devs" (and I use this term lightly) out there who simply copy and paste code around, add a few things here and there, add a launcher and theme, slap their name on it, call it a finished ROM and then ask for donations for all their "hard work" (again, using this term lightly), when in fact, all the hard work was already done by other devs... Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work devs do for basically nothing in return, and have donated to many who deserved it, without them, we'd be at the mercy of OEMs, which is never a good thing (see iOS), but there's only so much they can do on their own, and with so many handsets on the market, it's very difficult to stay focused on a single handset for more than 6-8 months...

I Concur...
bloodrain954 said:
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After three HTC phones and seeing this same pattern, I will not be buying another HTC phone. I know AT&T is to blame too, but HTC was committed to build quality and dedication to less devices and more support. I haven't seen it to my level of satisfaction. Maybe I'm on the wrong carrier, I don't know...

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After three HTC phones and seeing this same pattern, I will not be buying another HTC phone. I know AT&T is to blame too, but HTC was committed to build quality and dedication to less devices and more support. I haven't seen it to my level of satisfaction. Maybe I'm on the wrong carrier, I don't know...
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Unless you get a nexus device then anywhere else you go this will be normal
Not directed at you.
We are in a forum about rooting and flashing custom ROMs, not about whining when will a release for new software come out forum.
So I suggest to start flashing custom ROMs and stop talking about this.
It will get released when it gets released, and no amount of anyone bashing carriers or whining will make it come sooner.
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Not quite true, for some devices the lack of update promotes devs to produce some great unique roms. Port updated versions of android to a device that would otherwise never receive it
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Exactly this. I came from the HTC Aria, who's last official update was 2.2. Currently, there are community built ICS and JB builds that are ~99% complete in terms of functionality.

I upgraded yesterday to the HTC OneX+ and it has the updated software that OneX will probably get soon and if I knew how to root this sucker and pull the RUU off I would be more than happy to oblige. Anyone familiar with this process can chime in and help pull it from my phone because it really is nice especially the custom options in stock.

superchilpil said:
Unless you get a nexus device then anywhere else you go this will be normal
Not directed at you.
We are in a forum about rooting and flashing custom ROMs, not about whining when will a release for new software come out forum.
So I suggest to start flashing custom ROMs and stop talking about this.
It will get released when it gets released, and no amount of anyone bashing carriers or whining will make it come sooner.
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It's cool, I know what you are saying. I'm very grateful this community exists, and for brilliant developers that feed my addiction of flashing roms.
It's places like this that fill the gap between an OEM's product and our expectations.

olorolo said:
I upgraded yesterday to the HTC OneX+ and it has the updated software that OneX will probably get soon and if I knew how to root this sucker and pull the RUU off I would be more than happy to oblige. Anyone familiar with this process can chime in and help pull it from my phone because it really is nice especially the custom options in stock.
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It would be useless for you to do so, it has a completely different processor. And since we are due for an update soon our devs are just going to wait until its released to make a custom rom
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Stock vs SourcE vs Maximus

Looking for a stable daily driver for my friend whom I am giving my phone to, now that I have a nexus 5 almost here.
She needs something stable. This phone has ran Cyanogen for a while and I just wouldnt feel comfortable giving it to her with the finicky data, odd call problems from time to time, etc.
So, in terms of stability over features, which would you recommend?

SourcE is maximus with some tweaks. Nothing very special, so the stability isn't really modified. But you have some interesting tweaks in SourcE: better quality pictures, better sound, gif recording, etc.
So I think you can give to your friend your One S with SourcE 2
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Maximus.
The "better picture quality" and "gif recording" can be flashed using pirlano and TheEndHK's camera mod. Better sound quality produced by V4A is also downloadable. The only thing i wanted more from maximus are tweaks, though we can use xposed framework and sense 5 toolbox module.
But you can never go wrong with both source and maximus since both of them uses the same updated firmware..

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SourcE is maximus with some tweaks. Nothing very special, so the stability isn't really modified. But you have some interesting tweaks in SourcE: better quality pictures, better sound, gif recording, etc.
So I think you can give to your friend your One S with SourcE 2
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Being as I have never used Maximus or SourcE, how does it compare to stock? Same issues with screen on lag as other 3.4 roms? Signal stability compared to stock?
I am in the US

phin586 said:
Being as I have never used Maximus or SourcE, how does it compare to stock? Same issues with screen on lag as other 3.4 roms? Signal stability compared to stock?
I am in the US
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It is comparable to stock, not the 3.4 roms. Meaning, no lag and signal is good.
I do find it irritating that with the new firmware you need to use the modified twrp which will cannot mount usb storage. Also the backup feature can put your backups in the wrong directory. So you have to move them for them to show up.
So for me, it is just the recovery that I don't like.

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It is comparable to stock, not the 3.4 roms. Meaning, no lag and signal is good.
I do find it irritating that with the new firmware you need to use the modified twrp which will cannot mount usb storage. Also the backup feature can put your backups in the wrong directory. So you have to move them for them to show up.
So for me, it is just the recovery that I don't like.
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Cool, thanks for the info. I will definitely give it a try for a few weeks and see if she likes it. I can always revert to stock.

phin586 said:
Cool, thanks for the info. I will definitely give it a try for a few weeks and see if she likes it. I can always revert to stock.
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If you like aosp, CM 10 is very stable, and particularly light ... which makes it quite responsive and quick. If she would prefer sense, then stock 4.1 will be absolutely trouble free. I use rom cleaner to strip out all the bloat, which makes the stock rom fly. In my experience, most women want stability over anything else ... they just want things to work.

wmdunn said:
If you like aosp, CM 10 is very stable, and particularly light ... which makes it quite responsive and quick. If she would prefer sense, then stock 4.1 will be absolutely trouble free. I use rom cleaner to strip out all the bloat, which makes the stock rom fly. In my experience, most women want stability over anything else ... they just want things to work.
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As stated in my first post, CM has not been very stable. Connection issues, each update always brings a new issue. I run CM as it is..

phin586 said:
As stated in my first post, CM has not been very stable. Connection issues, each update always brings a new issue. I run CM as it is..
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I wasn't talking about the current CM 10.2 updates (Android 4.3) ... CM 10 (Android 4.1.2) is absolutely stable, and it still has most of the functionality of the latest and greatest.

wmdunn said:
I wasn't talking about the current CM updates (Android 4.3) ... CM 10 (Android 4.1.2) is absolutely stable, and it still has most of the functionality of the latest and greatest.
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Fair enough. I think she would enjoy the features of the Sense camera and the added apps. Shes a android noob.

phin586 said:
Fair enough. I think she would enjoy the features of the Sense camera and the added apps. Shes a android noob.
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Then stock 4.1 will be the most stable of all ... it's what my wife runs on her T-Mobile One S.

wmdunn said:
Then stock 4.1 will be the most stable of all ... it's what my wife runs on her T-Mobile One S.
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Gotcha. Someone stated that Maximus and SourcE are comparable in stability. Wondering what issues are apparent, compared to stock. I wish Dev's would dedicated a 1st or 2nd post to list of known issues. :-\

phin586 said:
Gotcha. Someone stated that Maximus and SourcE are comparable in stability. Wondering what issues are apparent, compared to stock. I wish Dev's would dedicated a 1st or 2nd post to list of known issues. :-\
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Some have had pretty good success with Maximus, and for the most part stable. Others have had some glitches along the way, and they simply won't be as stable as the Stock RUU. My One S has been rooted and s-off since day one ... and I have tried all the major custom roms. It doesn't bother me when something goes wrong, because I know how to fix it. My wife, however, really gets upset when glitches occur on her phone, so we keep it simple, stable ... everything just works. I might add that the T-Mobile Stock RUU is no slouch ... it runs very well.

wmdunn said:
Some have had pretty good success with Maximus, and for the most part stable. Others have had some glitches along the way, and they simply won't be as stable as the Stock RUU. My One S has been rooted and s-off since day one ... and I have tried all the major custom roms. It doesn't bother me when something goes wrong, because I know how to fix it. My wife, however, really gets upset when glitches occur on her phone, so we keep it simple, stable ... everything just works. I might add that the T-Mobile Stock RUU is no slouch ... it runs very well.
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Ya I am thinking that is going to be the way. Who knows, maybe we will get luck with KITKAT. =S

phin586 said:
Ya I am thinking that is going to be the way. Who knows, maybe we will get luck with KITKAT. =S
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That would be wonderful if it were to happen, but unfortunately HTC has turned it's back on the One S. There will most likely be some custom 4.4 roms, but once again it will be difficult to make them completely stable. I am seriously thinking about moving on to the Moto X, and giving my One S a well deserved rest ... it's been a great phone!

wmdunn said:
That would be wonderful if it were to happen, but unfortunately HTC has turned it's back on the One S. There will most likely be some custom 4.4 roms, but once again it will be difficult to make them completely stable. I am seriously thinking about moving on to the Moto X, and giving my One S a well deserved rest ... it's been a great phone!
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I am picking up a N5, just waiting for it to be delivered.
After this last foray with HTC, I do not see myself leaving the Nexus ecosphere, in well... ever...

phin586 said:
I am picking up a N5, just waiting for it to be delivered.
After this last foray with HTC, I do not see myself leaving the Nexus ecosphere, in well... ever...
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Good choice ... looks like a great phone. Before my One S, I carried a Nexus device. I really prefer stock Android. I considered the Nexus 5, but it just doesn't fit my hands ... hence the Moto X. Anyway ... have fun with your new phone!

phin586 said:
Gotcha. Someone stated that Maximus and SourcE are comparable in stability. Wondering what issues are apparent, compared to stock. I wish Dev's would dedicated a 1st or 2nd post to list of known issues. :-\
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Maximus is completely a stock HTC One S 4.2.2 RUU but just you've to install it via manual RUU installation method so it is a bit trouble. SourcE is based on Maximus with little necessary and very important tweaks, they are pretty much the same, I'll strongly prefer SourcE.
You have to install this "Maximus/SourcE RUU" via command prompt and there are just too many noobs around and some probably need to go for English lessons because they fail to read the procedure every time so they never flash it successfully. But remember your One S has to be a S-OFF device to do that.
To the stability problem, there are radio bugs in Maximus/SourcE but that is HTC fault, nothing wrong to the rom developers. This is a case to case by bias, personally I don't have any problem at all. You have to try it out because we don't know if the radio compatible to your carrier network or not.
1. Some got very poor in-call volume
2. Some got mobile data slow problem
3. Some got mobile signal weak problem
Basically, that's all the problem listed but I don't meet any single one. The radio 1.20 in Maximus/SourcE does working with my Hong Kong carrier network quite well. You can flash older radio like 1.1x to fix all above problem but it will create a random data disconnection bug.

TheEndHK said:
Maximus is completely a stock HTC One S 4.2.2 RUU but just you've to install it via manual RUU installation method so it is a bit trouble. SourcE is based on Maximus with little necessary and very important tweaks, they are pretty much the same, I'll strongly prefer SourcE.
You have to install this "Maximus/SourcE RUU" via command prompt and there are just too many noobs around and some probably need to go for English lessons because they fail to read the procedure every time so they never flash it successfully. But remember your One S has to be a S-OFF device to do that.
To the stability problem, there are radio bugs in Maximus/SourcE but that is HTC fault, nothing wrong to the rom developers. This is a case to case by bias, personally I don't have any problem at all. You have to try it out because we don't know if the radio compatible to your carrier network or not.
1. Some got very poor in-call volume
2. Some got mobile data slow problem
3. Some got mobile signal weak problem
Basically, that's all the problem listed but I don't meet any single one. The radio 1.20 in Maximus/SourcE does working with my Hong Kong carrier network quite well. You can flash older radio like 1.1x to fix all above problem but it will create a random data disconnection bug.
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Appreciate you going into all the detail, but these issues are exactly what many people are trying to avoid with their One S. That is why we were talking about what our better halves were not willing to tolerate.

Same as @TheEndHK, i don't have those issues as well, in fact the in call audio volume on mine is much louder than when i was on viper. The 1.20 radio brought me much stronger wifi signal and stability on mobile data, though some places i have full network coverage became weaker but not that much. Not all of us experienced those issues, and you won't know that if you will or will not experience it either if you haven't tried it yourself. :thumbup:

Custom Oreo roms?

Is there a technical reason that we have not seen any Custom Oreo roms released yet. I figured between all the RC releases of oreo leading up to the final build that the most popular roms (Pure Nexus, Resurrection Rom.. etc...) would have released 8.0 versions by now. Is it just too soon and unrealistic to expect that yet.. or an actual limitation in Oreo that is preventing builds? fyi.. im not like demanding one .. just curious on a technical level.

revdirty said:
Is there a technical reason that we have not seen any Custom Oreo roms released yet. I figured between all the RC releases of oreo leading up to the final build that the most popular roms (Pure Nexus, Resurrection Rom.. etc...) would have released 8.0 versions by now. Is it just too soon and unrealistic to expect that yet.. or an actual limitation in Oreo that is preventing builds? fyi.. im not like demanding one .. just curious on a technical level.
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From my understanding, most devs don't work on betas but wait until a final build is published and this was supposedly a significant update to Android. Perhaps there's a lot to do to handle the project treble changes. XDA published an interesting article about it just today.
The pixel doesn't seem to be the super popular development device many expected it to be but I'm sure the Oreo builds will come soon enough.

Just from my point of view, finding the various aspects for my themes was a pain in the butt from N to O. Somethings that were once png are now vector images and that is just from a themers aspect,,,rom building is a whole other thing. I am sure there will be some soon.

I was thinking the exact same thing as OP. I hope this isn't the case for the Pixel 2 XL. My Nexus 6 is running a custom Oreo ROM and it's great so far. It's like a ghost town.

Hey guys, im currently using Pure nexus, i thought of waiting for the oreo version of pure nexus. But it seems like its gonna take a while.. So, shall i switch to official oreo or to wait for any custom rom?
How is battery life and performance in Oreo?.
Thanks in advance

Oreo appears buggy...
I will wait for Pure Nexus Oreo

udahy.manna said:
Hey guys, im currently using Pure nexus, i thought of waiting for the oreo version of pure nexus. But it seems like its gonna take a while.. So, shall i switch to official oreo or to wait for any custom rom?
How is battery life and performance in Oreo?.
Thanks in advance
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I'm not going to say switch to Oreo, but for me it's been pretty stable. It's no RR or PA by a long shot. Battery life seems ok, and comparable to
other nougot roms I've ran. Performance is comparable as well. I'm no gamer, so can't report on heavy usage, but I've had no issues with
my standard apps, youtube, slack, twitter etc..
I guess the only thing I'm real annoyed at is if you want to get into TWRP, you have to reboot to bootloader, and fastboot boot twrp.img. I don't know the
status of flashing twrp, but the fastboot method works well.
Rooted with SuperSU, and substratum working nicely. I can't stand the default navbar height, so installed the mod from "[MODS] Pixel OREO Aroma Mods Installer" and lowed my navbar to 42dpi, and am now content.
Now, once a Oreo custom mod like RR/PA is released (Haven't tried Pure Nexus) I'm switching.

cntryby429 said:
From my understanding, most devs don't work on betas but wait until a final build is published and this was supposedly a significant update to Android. Perhaps there's a lot to do to handle the project treble changes. XDA published an interesting article about it just today.
The pixel doesn't seem to be the super popular development device many expected it to be but I'm sure the Oreo builds will come soon enough.
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I was just about to ask about the "State of Development" on the Pixel because I have been curious as to the lack of active development for Mods and ROMs. Hell my Wife's old Samsung Galaxy S4 still gets more development.
Could the A\B partitioning be a big factor in this?
I thought the Pixel would receive the same reaction like th Galaxy line and Google is a recognizable just like Samsung

Why is custom ROM development on Pixel is very low?

hp13 said:
Why is custom ROM development on Pixel is very low?
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Because it's an expensive device and it has this new crappy A/B partitions system

lorax70 said:
I'm not going to say switch to Oreo, but for me it's been pretty stable. It's no RR or PA by a long shot. Battery life seems ok, and comparable to
other nougot roms I've ran. Performance is comparable as well. I'm no gamer, so can't report on heavy usage, but I've had no issues with
my standard apps, youtube, slack, twitter etc..
I guess the only thing I'm real annoyed at is if you want to get into TWRP, you have to reboot to bootloader, and fastboot boot twrp.img. I don't know the
status of flashing twrp, but the fastboot method works well.
Rooted with SuperSU, and substratum working nicely. I can't stand the default navbar height, so installed the mod from "[MODS] Pixel OREO Aroma Mods Installer" and lowed my navbar to 42dpi, and am now content.
Now, once a Oreo custom mod like RR/PA is released (Haven't tried Pure Nexus) I'm switching.
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The new official flashable TWRP is out and compatible with pixel Oreo.

yeah, I would give "O" a little time. It appears that some are starting to have a few issues with phones being bricked. It's possible that one of the 3 is not related, but certainly my advice would be to wait folks. This could be related directly to branded phones, but not exactly sure and would only be speculation at this point. It's possible the DEV's are waiting on a few areas...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/help/pixel-bricked-overnight-t3681377
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/help/google-pixel-bricked-oreo-twice-ideas-t3671302

dantexaiver said:
I was just about to ask about the "State of Development" on the Pixel because I have been curious as to the lack of active development for Mods and ROMs. Hell my Wife's old Samsung Galaxy S4 still gets more development.
Could the A\B partitioning be a big factor in this?
I thought the Pixel would receive the same reaction like th Galaxy line and Google is a recognizable just like Samsung
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The dual partition s is the reason. It makes developing roms a real pain. Developers have now added a dual partition setup to the list of things to avoid when getting devices.

I am usually a real patient guy, but I have to tell you, I am so over stock. I would never be rude enough to ask for an ETA, but cmon gentleman, I'm dieing here. Lol

Golf c said:
I am usually a real patient guy, but I have to tell you, I am so over stock. I would never be rude enough to ask for an ETA, but cmon gentleman, I'm dieing here. Lol
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Flash back to a nougat custom rom. Problem solved.

mitchdickson said:
Flash back to a nougat custom rom. Problem solved.
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Haha, not quite.

Recently got a pixel after years of sony phones and am awaiting some Oreo custom roms. It's great I'm getting the latest OS updates straight away but the downside I guess is the newness means custom roms take longer. Now there's a working TWRP I'm hopeful we'll start to see custom Oreo roms appearing.

zelendel said:
The dual partition s is the reason. It makes developing roms a real pain. Developers have now added a dual partition setup to the list of things to avoid when getting devices.
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citation, please?
that seems a bit silly, because A/B partitions are the new standard. it won't just be Google phones using it... plus, there are non stock ROMs that have made the jump to A/B.... lots of app devs have too....
Frankly, while it may add some complexity, it is far better for upgrades over OTA and makes total sense that it would be the next iteration for rolling out upgrades.

nine7nine said:
citation, please?
that seems a bit silly, because A/B partitions are the new standard. it won't just be Google phones using it... plus, there are non stock ROMs that have made the jump to A/B.... lots of app devs have too....
Frankly, while it may add some complexity, it is far better for upgrades over OTA and makes total sense that it would be the next iteration for rolling out upgrades.
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It is the standard for Google device. Notice how only Google devices use it?
They are great if you stay stock. But not for rom development. As for your citation, you would have to talk to developers about it.
It is coming to the point that people will have to choice. Ota updates from Google or custom roms. Not gonna get both
A/b partition will be like many things gs that Google added that oem remove. Like adaptable storage.

zelendel said:
It is the standard for Google device. Notice how only Google devices use it?
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Motorola has been testing it, including a device that utilizes it now. Same goes with Xaoimi... Furthermore, a/b partition is a part of AOSP... Oreo devices going forward will be making use of Project Treble and I suspect in the next year, you are going to see more vendors adopting the new partition scheme.
On top of that, all new mediatek and Qualcomm SOCs will support A/b partition schemes.
https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-mi-a1-android-ab-partition/
https://www.xda-developers.com/moto-z2-force-ab-seamless-updates/
https://review.lineageos.org/#/c/156378/
https://source.android.com/devices/tech/ota/ab_updates
zelendel said:
They are great if you stay stock. But not for rom development. As for your citation, you would have to talk to developers about it.
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Um, no. it's perfectly reasonable for an end use running a custom ROM to want/expect OTA upgrades that uses seamless updating, where supported.... I've been involved in ROM development, in the past. thanks.... for someone developing a ROM; ya, you will be flashing your custom builds, but for an end user not building from AOSP, lineageOS repositories; OTA is far bore reasonable...
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It is coming to the point that people will have to choice. Ota updates from Google or custom roms. Not gonna get both
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lol. that comment makes zero sense, given the context... It's always been the case (for stock vs. custom roms) that you will be getting updates from one or the other, not both...
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IA/b partition will be like many things gs that Google added that oem remove. Like adaptable storage.
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We will see, but given that Qualcomm and mediatek will be supporting it going forward and the revelations and direction of Project treble && VTS; I suspect that a/b partitions will become the norm...
the only question is what will Samsung do for future devices, since they unlike most vendors produce their own SOCs/Exynos boards.... I guess we will see when the next galaxy line is released.