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Today I tried the Hero, and I must say that it makes the Magic just as you would expect. I think this ROM is that we should concentrate all our efforts in order to make it usable.

i think that yes, it is the best rom ive ever tried, but it is too slowly and crashes frequently. htc apps and widwegts are also incredible!
one quesetion. someone have notice that all roms do not let see youtube videos in high quality. Original youtube app from vodafome let me select high quality, in this case no.. and there are great differences!

IsAhT said:
i think that yes, it is the best rom ive ever tried, but it is too slowly and crashes frequently. htc apps and widwegts are also incredible!
one quesetion. someone have notice that all roms do not let see youtube videos in high quality. Original youtube app from vodafome let me select high quality, in this case no.. and there are great differences!
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I don't have this youtube issue. When I watch at a video, in menu pop up it ask me if I want to see it in normal res.
I'm with v2 Rogers rom.

I think that hero is the way... cool interface and widgets but it needs more machine.
IsAhT said:
i think that yes, it is the best rom ive ever tried, but it is too slowly and crashes frequently. htc apps and widwegts are also incredible!
one quesetion. someone have notice that all roms do not let see youtube videos in high quality. Original youtube app from vodafome let me select high quality, in this case no.. and there are great differences!
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If you have a high speed connection like wifi or hsdpa, youtube plays in high quality.

yukkio said:
I think that hero is the way... cool interface and widgets but it needs more machine.
If you have a high speed connection like wifi or hsdpa, youtube plays in high quality.
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are the hardware specs on the hero that much more robust than on the Magic? I should look that up I suppose....

Regardless, I would think that HTC would eventually want to supply the Rosie UI to as many devices as possible, as they did with touchflo 3d when it came out.

I reinstalled Hero yesterday evening as I wanted to give it a try.
I used nk02 version cause my sdcard is very slow for handling the Apps. It's the 8GB sdcard that came with the Magic. I learned the last days that it's class 2 and, in order to have the Apps running properly in the sdcard, we need a class 6.
My new sdcard is on the way and i will be able to double check this.
Anyway, after installing the rom i did several optimization things. I just went to the Dream forum and use what the people are doing. Basically this is what i did:
- Hero SpeedUp v2.0 script. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521421
From here I took the dexopt-wrapper and the optimize.sh script in order to create .odex files for every apk.
- Rosie/Launcher Toggle. Idea here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521877
But the procedure I use is this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3886560&postcount=23
This means that I disable the Rosie UI and use for normal daily use the standard home screen.
Someone will ask why would I want to have Hero when I disable the Rosie UI. Simple: I can switch back to Rosie whenever I want if I want to play with the new home screen.
But, If I want the phone to be responsive and not that laggy, it's better to disable Rosie. In this way the phone works quite well and I still have all the advantages that the new Hero firmware has to offer me:
- Twitter and facebook integration
- new calendar
- all the new menus in contacts, dialer, etc.
- new camera
etc, etc, etc.
I also read that if I just keep Rosie without any widget, it will still run smooth but i haven't tried it yet.
So overall I'm happy of my decision to go for Hero again (I haven't tried Rogers, I moved from Ion to Hero directly) and I will also support the idea to focus on this firmware.
It's really looking good.
P.S: I will also copy this post in the Hero forum as I think it belongs there too.

rommelin said:
- Rosie/Launcher Toggle. Idea here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521877
But the procedure I use is this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3886560&postcount=23
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This didn't work for me.
When I clicked on home (after clearing defaults) it just went back to the home screen (rosie).

flitar said:
This didn't work for me.
When I clicked on home (after clearing defaults) it just went back to the home screen (rosie).
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Can you see inside the Application Management menu both apps? Rosie and Home?
If you don't have Home, even if you clear defaults from Rosie, it will go back to Rosie as there would not be any other alternative.
So, can you confirm me that you can see both apps?
P.S: Just reminder: after you push Launcher to the phone, you need to reboot.

Doh! rebooted, works now. Thanks

video chat and music app compatibility?

So I'm thinking about getting this phone. I'm wondering how well video chat (Skype specifically) and either btunes or Player Pro work on it. if anyone does use bTunes, does the camera button control function work in it? a short list of apps I'd really liek to knwo about, if anyone has used them on this phone:
No Lock (I know Sense has a clever lock screen, but I hate lock screens in general)
Wave Launcher
bTunes
Player Pro
Skype
No Lock
I'd also love to know if anyone has had other compatibility problems with other apps as well that I haven't mentioned, any at all. especially games. I'll be switching to a Sense phone from a stock gingerbread phone (Samsung transform Ultra), so compatibility could be a pit fall for me.

Hey, so of all those apps the only one that I have is Skype.
I am pretty amazed by how well it works. The video quality is excellent both ways, but the front facing camera does struggle a bit more in low light versus a normal webcam. Skype is fairly reliable. The video stream is clear, sound quality is good and all in all it works well. I Skyped with my friends on both Wifi and 4G for over an hour, it did however freeze a couple of times however it was difficult to tell if it was because of my phone, or the person I was Skyping with.
Can you elaborate on compatibility issues? The only "compatibility issues" I have ran into with applications regard LCD density and not being able to download from the Android Market. I changed my phone to have an LCD density of 160 rather than 240 using PropModder, and that prevented me from downloading applications like Facebook, and pretty much everything else - a simple change and reboot fixed the issue though.

SolemnWishing said:
Hey, so of all those apps the only one that I have is Skype.
I am pretty amazed by how well it works. The video quality is excellent both ways, but the front facing camera does struggle a bit more in low light versus a normal webcam. Skype is fairly reliable. The video stream is clear, sound quality is good and all in all it works well. I Skyped with my friends on both Wifi and 4G for over an hour, it did however freeze a couple of times however it was difficult to tell if it was because of my phone, or the person I was Skyping with.
Can you elaborate on compatibility issues? The only "compatibility issues" I have ran into with applications regard LCD density and not being able to download from the Android Market. I changed my phone to have an LCD density of 160 rather than 240 using PropModder, and that prevented me from downloading applications like Facebook, and pretty much everything else - a simple change and reboot fixed the issue though.
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Well, on the sidekick for example, Samsung changed the colors of menus and the notification drop down menu background, so if an app uses dark colored text, its difficult or impossible to see on the menu background that's also dark. It gets quite annoying. Also, no lock would often fail to block the lock screen, since it was altered by samsung, and i know sense has a diff lock screen as well. (If all these OEMs insist on modding android so much, why cant they give us an option to disable the lock screen natively for those who dont like it?)

So does anyone know about the other Apps, especially No Lock and Wave Launcher? I use those two ALOT.

Sorry to go off topic...but CM7 has the option to disable the lockscreen.
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hmmm, did not know that. seems like at least those guys have some sense to them. I hope CM or a stable AOSP rom is on this thing soon, mine arrives tomorrow.

Don't have any of the apps in particular, but I've been using the phone for a few months now and haven't had any compatibility issues yet (that weren't fixed by the ROM developer).
It's been reported that changing the LCD density of this phone will cause app incompatibilites as mentioned earlier though. As long as you avoid that, I think you shouldn't have a problem.
I have plenty of games that I've played on the phone and all has worked so far. The only one not compatible so far is Asphalt.

Cm7 is pretty nice, also u can install the gapps and gapps-gtalk extra package when installing cm7, and the video call of gtalk will work well probably.I've tested it with a pc and this phone, videochat was flawless with the front camera.
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Are you getting system-wide, permant lag and have Google+? Look here.

I use auto upload when WiFi+charging, great for our phones with limited storage, So I rely a lot on Google+ auto backup photos. I delete pictures from my local album to free space, but...
When I am browsing my photos through Google+, I CANNOT swipe left or right to go previous/next picture. If I do that, when I leave the app, my phone gets extreme lag, especially in home screen and notification drawer. I even thought this was some CleanRom related bug, but I'm using stock rooted and the problem is still there. I also thought this could be a Sense Launcher bug, but even with Nova launcher it happens.
Anyone else having this issue? I bet there a lot of people experiencing this.. It took me a while to figure out what was causing it, but it's very simple: Just open a photo on Google+ and swipe left or right to go the next/previous pic. Your phone should lag like crazy until you reboot it.

EliWay said:
I use auto upload when WiFi+charging, great for our phones with limited storage, So I rely a lot on Google+ auto backup photos. I delete pictures from my local album to free space, but...
When I am browsing my photos through Google+, I CANNOT swipe left or right to go previous/next picture. If I do that, when I leave the app, my phone gets extreme lag, especially in home screen and notification drawer. I even thought this was some CleanRom related bug, but I'm using stock rooted and the problem is still there. I also thought this could be a Sense Launcher bug, but even with Nova launcher it happens.
Anyone else having this issue? I bet there a lot of people experiencing this.. It took me a while to figure out what was causing it, but it's very simple: Just open a photo on Google+ and swipe left or right to go the next/previous pic. Your phone should lag like crazy until you reboot it.
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I get the lag too. I usually get it after closing YouTube, I also did the photo swiping you mentioned and was affected as well. Are you using the elementalx or bulletproof kernels?

Using stock rooted rom and kernel. I used to get similar slowdowns on ElementalX kernel, but I could never find the source. In this case I was able to nail it down, and I haven't experienced lag from other apps.
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Honestly unless your a huge fan of Google plus I would recommend using drop box (which has the same feature) .
(Especially since it seems like Google plus failed to take off)
+ drop has integration to backup stuff from quite a few apps (fuelio & tibu for example)
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The_Zodiac said:
Honestly unless your a huge fan of Google plus I would recommend using drop box (which has the same feature) .
(Especially since it seems like Google plus failed to take off)
+ drop has integration to backup stuff from quite a few apps (fuelio & tibu for example)
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I have used dropbox and box extensively before trying Google+ photos. What makes Google+ more attractive to me is that uploads at standard(but still high) resolution are unlimited. It also uploads my videos in HD, also unlimited.
It's not all about storage(I have a 50gb box account). When I actually want to view or download my photos , Google+ is much, much MUCH faster to load. Dropbox and Box are super slow to load, and they also don't sort my pictures by date. Google+ even highlights what it thinks are the best pictures from any given day, enhances them to make them look better and it even creates animations out of my burst shots.
For photo storage, Google+ is so much better, there's just no contest.

Scroll lag / stutter?

Hi,
I've noticed that some apps run very smooth, but others can lag for no reason.
For example Play Store. When you open Play Store and start scrolling to the bottom of the home screen (lets say 3-4 rows of apps per swipe down) it lags a lot. It's nowhere close to being smooth. Even when you're at the bottom so everything has loaded, it still isn't smooth when scrolling up and down using normal scroll speed.
Reddit is Fun is also an app that has lots of lag / stutters for me.
Does anyone else experience this?

damanrico said:
Hi,
I've noticed that some apps run very smooth, but others can lag for no reason.
For example Play Store. When you open Play Store and start scrolling to the bottom of the home screen (lets say 3-4 rows of apps per swipe down) it lags a lot. It's nowhere close to being smooth. Even when you're at the bottom so everything has loaded, it still isn't smooth when scrolling up and down using normal scroll speed.
Reddit is Fun is also an app that has lots of lag / stutters for me.
Does anyone else experience this?
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no. i haven't yet experienced any (major) lag in any app (have Play Store obviously and Reddit is Fun installed).. currently on 1.13.401.1.. also as some apps are smooth for you and others not, i would say blame the apps, but lag and smoothness are such subjective terms that I can only say I don't see any lag.

damanrico said:
Hi,
I've noticed that some apps run very smooth, but others can lag for no reason.
For example Play Store. When you open Play Store and start scrolling to the bottom of the home screen (lets say 3-4 rows of apps per swipe down) it lags a lot. It's nowhere close to being smooth. Even when you're at the bottom so everything has loaded, it still isn't smooth when scrolling up and down using normal scroll speed.
Reddit is Fun is also an app that has lots of lag / stutters for me.
Does anyone else experience this?
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Do you have a password manager such as LastPass installed? They can cause lag issues if you have the accessability option set to fill passwords in apps.

velimirchek said:
no. i haven't yet experienced any (major) lag in any app (have Play Store obviously and Reddit is Fun installed).. currently on 1.13.401.1.. also as some apps are smooth for you and others not, i would say blame the apps, but lag and smoothness are such subjective terms that I can only say I don't see any lag.
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Well I can't really blame Play Store since it's a default app. If you don't experience such lag, it must have something to do with my device.
jsaxon2 said:
Do you have a password manager such as LastPass installed? They can cause lag issues if you have the accessability option set to fill passwords in apps.
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Nope.

Here's a short video with GPU Profiling on showing the spikes and stutters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUyyZc-_UGI&feature=youtu.be

damanrico said:
Here's a short video with GPU Profiling on showing the spikes and stutters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUyyZc-_UGI&feature=youtu.be
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i can experience the same "problem" you have. Everybody has it , trust me, but not everybody is sensible like we are.
i also see that the "go back" animation for example in settings is also stutter in 2 /10 times.

boby3104 said:
i can experience the same "problem" you have. Everybody has it , trust me, but not everybody is sensible like we are.
i also see that the "go back" animation for example in settings is also stutter in 2 /10 times.
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Thanks for your reply.
It's strange to me that the top of the line hardware can't even manage to make scrolling a default app like Play Store feel smooth. Even when viewing text comments within the Reddit is Fun app isn't always smooth. That's just scrolling text, not even loading images.
I guess I have to deal with it then. I expected more for this price range.

It's not the device. It's just poorly written apps. Compare for instance Facebook app and metal on older devices. They do the same thing but the experience is night and day. This a fairly new device so updates will come but playstore always stutters no matter the phone. It's been like that for years and I tried maaaaany devices

yes it has absolutely nothing to do with the hardware/device. like @mlodykaras said, it just poor coding.

Okay thanks for all your feedback guys!
Let's hope Google will learn how to write applications for Android correctly :silly:

Well to come back to this. The lag is just insane, there's no other way to put it. When I compare scrolling through the same text with my old Lenovo K3 Note, the U11 lags and stutters all the time while the Lenovo K3 Note doesn't stutter at all. That's just scrolling through text!
I've noticed that if you change the Interactive governor to Performance, the U11 doesn't lag anymore. But this isn't great for the CPU and for battery life of course.
Video 1 shows a 1080p 60fps Twitch stream. You can notice there are some spikes and overall it's close to the green line.
Video 2 shows the same 1080p 60fps Twitch stream. You can notice there are no spikes and overall it's not even close to the green line.
Video 3 shows the same comment thread in Reddit is Fun. I start by using the Performance governor and you can see me switch to the Interactive governor a little later. It's clear there are a ton of spikes using Interactive.
This really shouldn't be happening on such an expensive device.
I've even reverted back to stock using RUU, fresh install no restoring done. Same issues.

I have also noticed few apps other than play store. I am from India and some apps like BookMyShow & Inbox from Gmail stutters and there are always some frame drops. I tested BookMyShow in One plus 5, it runs very smoothly. Idk why it is like this and whether it'll be corrected or not.

My old debloated Galaxy S6 had smoother scrolling in apps in comparison with HTC10 and U11. HTC should adjust some kernel settings ot OS to fix this, it is very annoying. I really hope it will be fixed with Oreo update.

Windforce0511 said:
My old debloated Galaxy S6 had smoother scrolling in apps in comparison with HTC10 and U11. HTC should adjust some kernel settings ot OS to fix this, it is very annoying. I really hope it will be fixed with Oreo update.
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I don't think it would get fixed with oreo update as its not something that requires an overall new version of android.
Had it supposed to be changed, it would've changed by HTC in those 2-3 updates came out till now after the launch.

Problem with HTC is they do not take or even consider feedbacks unless there is some major major glitch.
For HTC this scrolling stutter and overblown of highlights and light sources in camera is just minor issues and they don't care about it.
On the other hand, there is google which takes every feedback seriously and tries to improve the Pixels on the software level as much as the software can.

Ammymike7 said:
Problem with HTC is they do not take or even consider feedbacks unless there is some major major glitch.
For HTC this scrolling stutter and overblown of highlights and light sources in camera is just minor issues and they don't care about it.
On the other hand, there is google which takes every feedback seriously and tries to improve the Pixels on the software level as much as the software can.
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Well Google does create Android so...

Android 8.0 features Notification dots and Picture in picture NOT working

So this morning I noticed that 8.0 is available for my device, single SIM XZ Premium. So I immediately upgraded.
After testing things out, I found out that there is no way to get notification dots and PiP to work.
As for the dots, the dot does appear on the App icon. However long pressing the icon doesn't bring up any notifications. I only get the standard delete and app info options. And for certain apps the quick launch functions, such as New Tab for Chrome etc. I can't get notification dots to work. I made sure I didn't disable it accidentally, as it took me a couple of hours to comprehend what the hell notification channels are, and what Notification dots are called in my language (hungarian).
But no, I have it enabled on a system level, and on an app by app level as well. For the apps I've tested. Messenger, Viber, some misc. apps I use. I've read that on Pixel phones, only the stock launcher supports the dots. Is it possible somehow the Xperia stock launcher didn't get support? Would be a major oversight, but I mean it is possible.
Also PiP doesn't work either. I checked, and it is enabled for all my apps that support it. Tried it with Netflix, Chrome playing full screen video, VLC player. For VLC you have to also enable an in app setting, but it still doesn't work with any of them. I can't try with YouTube since my country still doesn't have Red. Also I heard the Google Maps app is still rolling out pip in updates, so I didn't bother with that either.
Is this an issue for anyone else too, or am I missing something?
So far I'm enjoying Oreo, my phone became super fast, which shocked me, as I didn't expect this much of a speed difference. Animations look a lot smoother. And I'm really starting to dig this new notification channel thing. Really helps me customize all my different app notifications.

I have only been able to get pip working with google maps and chrome when playing a video, but I had to try it twice for chrome to actually do it, since then it has been working without issue though. For notifications I have the same thing where the quick options show up but not the notification, to view the notifications I still have to pull down the notification bar. I tried netflix and youtube but pip refused to work, it just kept going to the homescreen, I haven't tried vlc.
I will also say that I am enjoying Oreo and how much faster the phone is, it shocked me as well because it really is significantly snappier when jumping between apps or going back to the homescreen and opening something new. I have also actually started using the google assistant and some of the features it provides.

Just install internet beta from Samsung... And you have picture in picture...

reiriop said:
I have only been able to get pip working with google maps and chrome when playing a video, but I had to try it twice for chrome to actually do it, since then it has been working without issue though. For notifications I have the same thing where the quick options show up but not the notification, to view the notifications I still have to pull down the notification bar. I tried netflix and youtube but pip refused to work, it just kept going to the homescreen, I haven't tried vlc.
I will also say that I am enjoying Oreo and how much faster the phone is, it shocked me as well because it really is significantly snappier when jumping between apps or going back to the homescreen and opening something new. I have also actually started using the google assistant and some of the features it provides.
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Interesting. I've tried out Maps just now and it indeed does work. I don't know what's the problem with the other apps then...
Notification dots still don't work though. Also I haven't been able to use the instant apps either. The option never comes up. Wish shopping app supposedly has an instant app version, but no matter what, I can't use it in instant version, Only full install.
Also adaptive icons aren't that adaptive, as the stock Xperia launcher has no option to choose which icon variation I want to use (square, round, teardrop etc)
I also haven't been able to figure out how to use the Autofill framework, which would give me the same options for autofill within the OS as I get with Chrome on web forms.
These features seem to be just straight up missing, or I don't know where to find them.

reiriop said:
I have only been able to get pip working with (...) chrome when playing a video, but I had to try it twice for chrome to actually do it, since then it has been working without issue though.
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How did you do that by the way? I'm trying, but I can't seem to do it. I almost got it once, but the PiP auto closed as soon as the transition animation finished. Tried it with Chrome and Chrome Beta.

chivu10 said:
Just install internet beta from Samsung... And you have picture in picture...
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This applies only to the browser scenario, and NoChromo is better. Also, biometric login not supported on non-samsung devices = useless.
alexaka1 said:
How did you do that by the way? I'm trying, but I can't seem to do it. I almost got it once, but the PiP auto closed as soon as the transition animation finished. Tried it with Chrome and Chrome Beta.
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I went to a gaming site that I knew had videos, once there I started playing a video in full screen and then double tapped the home button and it put the video in pip mode. Maybe it only works with certain websites or online video players? I will try a couple other sites and see if they all work or not.

reiriop said:
This applies only to the browser scenario, and NoChromo is better. Also, biometric login not supported on non-samsung devices = useless.
I went to a gaming site that I knew had videos, once there I started playing a video in full screen and then double tapped the home button and it put the video in pip mode. Maybe it only works with certain websites or online video players? I will try a couple other sites and see if they all work or not.
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Sorry... For me internet beta is very fast... And i have picture in picture... And no ads on.... And no lag when scrooling...

reiriop said:
I went to a gaming site that I knew had videos, once there I started playing a video in full screen and then double tapped the home button and it put the video in pip mode. Maybe it only works with certain websites or online video players? I will try a couple other sites and see if they all work or not.
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Okay I managed to make it work with IGN videos in Chrome. So it does work after all... sort of. I think we can still agree this isn't working as intended, the fact we have to pry to make it work.

chivu10 said:
Sorry... For me internet beta is very fast... And i have picture in picture... And no ads on.... And no lag when scrooling...
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Do you not know what NoChromo is? I have no problem with speed,pip,ads, or scrolling.
alexaka1 said:
Okay I managed to make it work with IGN videos in Chrome. So it does work after all... sort of. I think we can still agree this isn't working as intended, the fact we have to pry to make it work.
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Ya there seems to be something missing here, hopefully they will fix this within the next couple of weeks. I was really looking forward to using pip with video streaming apps.

Is there any way to use YouTube in PIP mode?
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I can't move apps in menu wtf? When I press and hold app and move its go to home...

PRO>KOMP.< said:
Is there any way to use YouTube in PIP mode?
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I can't move apps in menu wtf? When I press and hold app and move its go to home...
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That's what we're saying, we can't get pip to work with youtube, netflix, or vlc. I really want to use pip mostly for youtube and netflix, so until I am able to do that I really don't care that much about this feature.
You can still move or delete apps in the menu, but you can now decide what press + hold on an app does when going to the settings of the app folder/launcher.

Update
I have downloaded Nova launcher and Lawnchair launchers, and neither seems to support the Oreo features, but instead it seems they have their own implementation of app shortcuts and badges.
So the problem has to be with the Xperia Home launcher.

PRO>KOMP.< said:
Is there any way to use YouTube in PIP mode?
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Youtube currently blocked the workaround with the 'window' keycode. however there's OG Youtube - it's a modded youtube which has a recent youtube version as base. It has PiP, background playback and an option to download the video. Although the PiP is what i'm looking for. So far there are no downsides. You need to get XDA labs which has a pretty cool repo.
Try it here https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/com.google.android.ogyoutube

reiriop said:
That's what we're saying, we can't get pip to work with youtube, netflix, or vlc. I really want to use pip mostly for youtube and netflix, so until I am able to do that I really don't care that much about this feature.
You can still move or delete apps in the menu, but you can now decide what press + hold on an app does when going to the settings of the app folder/launcher.
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PIP works with VLC. Enable background playback in VLC settings . Only thing is it doesn't work like chrome where you just have to press the home button. In this case you have to select PIP mode(bottom left option in the attached screen shot) before you switch to any other app.

You need youtube red subscription for pip.

1. PiP works fine. Though you need a red subscription for Youtube in order for it to work with Youtube.
2. Instant apps work fine for me. There was this tetris game I was able to play without installing.
3. Autofill works fine too.
4. Long tapping the app icon doesn't seem to bring up notifications. Disappointing, since I was really looking forward to that feature.

iArvee said:
1. PiP works fine. Though you need a red subscription for Youtube in order for it to work with Youtube.
2. Instant apps work fine for me. There was this tetris game I was able to play without installing.
3. Autofill works fine too.
4. Long tapping the app icon doesn't seem to bring up notifications. Disappointing, since I was really looking forward to that feature.
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There are plenty of features that are not here..... Another obvious example is the xperia dialer app. which is on the same 3.0.0 version as it was in August and looks nothing like it's advert.
It's more of a marketing thing. Look here! Look here! Shiny!Yet I believe most of those presented features will arrive at some point in time under Oreo and that's why they were presented - not as a done thing but more of a 'soon to arrive'. FYI notification dots are still not available on the beta release. Hopefully more updates will come.... sometime.... maybe spring next year? :laugh:

Didn't know PiP required YouTube red, useless, it's like YouTube is trying to destroy itself with everything they do recently.

It seems like we are in a full beta test, and would go on until oreo 8.1 would be released.... It's astonishing Google Pixel and Pixel 2 have a lot of problems and bugs with oreo update XD