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Poor video playback - solutions?

Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.

Gigs said:
Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
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Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.

P0ll0L0c0 said:
Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
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which topic is it? i have smilar issues

Untill now I have found that QTV with Medium acceleration, and dither on has the best performance, anyway less than m700. Setting the buffer to 8000 kb did not had any effect. Still want to hear from another pro owners what they think about this.

I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???

krabicka3 said:
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
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It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?

Unfortunately the HTC Touch Pro is not the mulitmedia phone you want if your looking to run your non-mobile encoded videos. However it still can be a awesome video player if you encode videos to the right dimension and specs.
I took this past Sunday to play around with finding just the right video format and encode settings to play video as close to vga as possible. Unfortunately the Touch Pro can't play videos in full-vga resolution. HOWEVER, it can perfectly play videos in 480x320 which when you compare to a 640x480 video on the touch pro's 2.5inch screen there is no difference in quality what so ever.
When you play small videos on such a small screen you wont notice the difference in the resolution, however comparing a qvga (320x240) to the half vga 480x320 resolution you can definitely see a difference.
I use two different encoders, one being pocket divx encoder and the other videora iphone converter.
I encoded a bunch of animes and movies using pocket divx set to 480x320, 2-Pass, vhq enabled, around 850 video bitrate and 128kb stereo bitrate and all my videos look crisp on the Touch Pro and plays smoothly.
I suggest others to try it out and benchmark the playback yourself and you'll see it'll run at a easy 135%+ which is perfect for 100% smooth playback.

Gigs said:
It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
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1.) I suggest check two things, one be sure you are running the latest build which I assume you are,
2) under preferences and under the Qtv page look to make sure "Tytn 2 driver mode" is enabled.
3) some builds have a issue of zoomed in pictures to a an extreme amount that only a black screen shows when first installed, set the zoom to 50% and then reset to the normal or best fit.
Hopefully those changes should help you out
UPDATE: Also there is one bug I know of with Coreplayer. When coreplayer is launched and left running in the back (or if still active on screen) should the device go into sleep mode and then come back you will not be able to see any video playing when choosing to start. You'll have to close coreplayer and reopen again, I noticed this the other day and just came into mind when experiencing just now again.

I almost agree with you puerrican but I think it's such a burden to reencode....I managed to get easy after I saw that everything encoded with h264, mkv and encoders like this can't be played in the pro. However, everything I had in my computer encoded in divx, xvid, normal things works just fine with the settings I put in some posts above. I just tried 700 MB DVDrip(around 1000 kbit/s and 640x272) and some videoclip(624x352 vbr around 2300kbits) both xvid and they worked ok. 688x400 AVC1 (h264) killed the pro.It's not just the resolution but also the encoder used.
EDIT: just saw the update and I wanted to mention that I'm also using the 1.2.5 build 4506 with tytn 2 mode enabled and qtv on medium selected. And touchflo3d is disabled and I'm using the spb shell (or something like that with icons on screen).
IDEA: I think it would be interesting playing back xvid 640x480 and h264 640x480 to test this idea of mine

Definitely it is pain to go and do that. Plus reencoding speed relies heavily on your pc specs, on a high end specs your looking at around 4-5 mins for a 2-pass encoded video of 24 min length. While a movie length of 90 mins or so your looking at at least 16-22 mins.
So expect much longer wait on a lower end thats not even dual core or lower clock rate.
Until pdas start sporting dedicated gpus from nvidia or other names windows mobile wont ever benefit on being a media playback alternative which is a nice plus for those not looking to carry 2-3 devices for music, pmp, pda, and phone. Wish HTC would look into intel processors for their next unit and possibly throw in a nvidia mobile gpu like the 5500 with a decent amount of video memory. I mean at this point in the technology chain its not even remotely impossible to do so... so whats the hold up with companies???

yeah, i have no problem with mp4 at 640x480 (640x360 widescreen). mkv at high res (above 640x480) is a little juttery. my movies are usually 24fps, 1000kbps, 640x360
got same settings as gigs
coreplayer is working on fix for v1.3

I'm at a lost, I tried playing 640x480 videos on my touch pro and it stutters way too much, how are you guys managing to have to it playback flawlessly?

I dont really get whats good about watching movies on a 2.5 inch screen...do you do that on such a regular basis that this is so important ?
Regarding Video, i just watch some short youtube clips and stuff like that...
Ever tried to watch a full length movie on such a small screen ? I did that on holiday on my ipod and its really hurting the eyes to concetrate on such a small screen for 90+ minutes... not really anything you want to do regularly...besides not reencoded videos take up alot of space on your memorystick...
i dont have a problem with reencoding some videos and stuff, full length movies arent meant to be watched on a phone anyway

Well, a 2,5 inch screen is a bit too small, but our Touch Pros have a 2,8 inch screen

I have a zune and it has a 3 in screen and was perfect for watching tv videos or movies, and thats half the resolution then a TP. Cant wait to get my hand on the TP !!!

To each his own, some ppl like being able to watch videos whenever the call comes. Sometimes when I have to wait for something like a class to start or I'm away from my pc, or even on a airplane or public transportation I like to be able to watch few episodes easily and clearly. A full blown movie yea its gonna be a nuisance for a long time depending on the person. But some are accustomed to it, I for one can easily watch 4-6 episodes in a row without getting any kind of headahce.

yep, its quite convient. all in one device. it has tv out as well, so since it is simalar res to tv, it looks great
music + movies on phone, no ned for mp3 player. plus i can stream movies off my pc

yeah i see that there is room for this, but i dont think many people use this so regulary that converting a few movies is that much of a pain. You will save a lot of space on your memorystick as well.

I have modifying 2 regentries and the video is now much better.
Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438318
Using CorePlayer the benchmark was before 75-95%,now 145%. on same videofile - Uncompressed VGA XviD.
Edit... I am sorry. It wasn't working. I just forgot,that I set the video quality to medium before.

You have to chose Medium Quality on Video Settings (with Qtv selected), otherwise it lags so much ..
Even on medium on motion scenses some frame drops
Video used for tests: RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi (found somewhere here on this forum.. can't remember the topic name )

[Q] Poor HDMI Out Quality

I seem to be getting poor quality from the MHL to HDMI adapter...it's like the output is the same resolution as the phone's display (800x480) and it's just stretched to fit the screen...makes it look I'm watching an old DVD... Anybody else experiencing this? And is there a fix?

I'm also having this problem as well as the adapter not pushing Audio to the TV at all. Really frustrating.

bikeracer4487 said:
I seem to be getting poor quality from the MHL to HDMI adapter...it's like the output is the same resolution as the phone's display (800x480) and it's just stretched to fit the screen...makes it look I'm watching an old DVD... Anybody else experiencing this? And is there a fix?
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it will do this anytime it mirrors the screen. it seems the video player can switch to the mhl output only where i'd assume it plays the native resolution of the video. unfortunately i havent had a chance to test it on a high quality video.

Dani897 said:
it will do this anytime it mirrors the screen. it seems the video player can switch to the mhl output only where i'd assume it plays the native resolution of the video. unfortunately i havent had a chance to test it on a high quality video.
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Okay, so if video plays at a high quality, then why do still pictures still look like crap? Do I have to use a special player for these too?

Seems to be application dependant to me. I tried the HBO GO app the first time I connected my phone to the TV and the quality looked pretty bad. But when I tried some of the HD movie trailers that came preloaded they looked really nice. Not Bluray quality but I'd say they were as good as most 720p streaming services.
I think the HBO mobile app limits the streaming quality so that
a: it works better on small screens
b: you won't want to connect it to a tv
I also downloaded a 720p mvk of Dr Who and tried playing it over HDMI and it looked almost as good as when I play it on my HTPC.

pthfnder89 said:
Seems to be application dependant to me. I tried the HBO GO app the first time I connected my phone to the TV and the quality looked pretty bad. But when I tried some of the HD movie trailers that came preloaded they looked really nice. Not Bluray quality but I'd say they were as good as most 720p streaming services.
I think the HBO mobile app limits the streaming quality so that
a: it works better on small screens
b: you won't want to connect it to a tv
I also downloaded a 720p mvk of Dr Who and tried playing it over HDMI and it looked almost as good as when I play it on my HTPC.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1108641
+1 on the HBO GO app... I just wish it would transfer true HD quality to the big screen.

i think only samsung specific apps will be able to use high res. it seems that if the phone screen is on it will be in wvga resolution, the video processor wont put out 2 resolutions at the same time. with the video player specifically it will turn off the phone screen so it is not mirroing a low res picture but instead it is switching to a different video mode entirely. we can only hope that they give us a better photo gallery app that can do this as well and that 3rd party apps will be able to detect mhl and switch to mhl only mode.

Dani897 said:
i think only samsung specific apps will be able to use high res. it seems that if the phone screen is on it will be in wvga resolution, the video processor wont put out 2 resolutions at the same time. with the video player specifically it will turn off the phone screen so it is not mirroing a low res picture but instead it is switching to a different video mode entirely. we can only hope that they give us a better photo gallery app that can do this as well and that 3rd party apps will be able to detect mhl and switch to mhl only mode.
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Ugh...any known mhl apps for viewing still pictures? Tried googling but I just seem to be getting a lot of Nhl hits...

[Q] Optimus 3D HDMI output resolution?

Anyone here used HDMI to output to a 1080p screen via HDMI? What is the resolution of the image seen on the TV? Just 480p or actually genuine 1080p.
1) eg a photo seen on the phone screen will only ever be 480p, so mirroring thet same photo displayed on the TV will see much more detail? or just the same 480p resolution only on a bigger TV?
2) Even if you did have USB charging during use, would the drain-rate of playing video via HDMI out strip the charge-rate?
Thanks in advance for your feedback

Here's my side of the story
2old4toys said:
Anyone here used HDMI to output to a 1080p screen via HDMI? What is the resolution of the image seen on the TV? Just 480p or actually genuine 1080p.
1) eg a photo seen on the phone screen will only ever be 480p, so mirroring thet same photo displayed on the TV will see much more detail? or just the same 480p resolution only on a bigger TV?
2) Even if you did have USB charging during use, would the drain-rate of playing video via HDMI out strip the charge-rate?
Thanks in advance for your feedback
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I start by saying that I use a 1.4 HDMI cable made for Sony Ericsson phones that I found at 10 euros. My settings for HDMi output are 1080p at 50Hz - I must say that leaving it in automatic is bad cause it does like 480p as output resolution.
For photos the output fine, the 1080p and looks great, even the 3D photos. But when I'm using the camera while the phone is connected to TV the output is not 1080p but, IMO, a poor 480p. Same story with videos - while playing them give you the resolution on which they were recorded, on "live show" you got only the 480
The home screen is seen on TV at its native resolution not HDMI. The games are on the same boat, at screen resolution and not HD. Not even with the games that declares themselves HD is not working.
On the second issue: yes - the HDMI playback while charging DOES strip off the charge rate, finding yourself that after a 20 minutes of video playback while charging you have no juice left in your battery.
In my opinion the HDMI out is useful only in few situations: dual boot on the phone, letting you to use it as a computer (but this implies the USB Host active on our P920 - which still is missing), playback of files on the phone which would be impossible to play on TV - here you might get variations based on the TV set that you might own and the final use I foundshould be to use it as a game console but this also implies to have a bluetooth activated controller because playing with the phone while connected to the TV is just... a big NOOOO - only in some games that implies only the use of accelerator sensor, like racing games.
I hope that this is useful to you. I voted the second option - I use it but I'm not addicted.

Excellent response! Can you tell me how
To set 1080 output output on
the o3d because I have HDMI link but cant find the android setting page. My current setup must be in auto because photo gallery looks like worse than 480p on my TV right now.
Thanks
Sent from my LG-SU870 using xda app-developers app

Aint it possible to hack in order to acheive higher resolutions? Managed to run ubuntu, but it looks everything but good on my tv. :banghead:
Sent from my LG-P920 using xda premium

2old4toys said:
Excellent response! Can you tell me how
To set 1080 output output on
the o3d because I have HDMI link but cant find the android setting page. My current setup must be in auto because photo gallery looks like worse than 480p on my TV right now.
Thanks
Sent from my LG-SU870 using xda app-developers app
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for setting HDMI go to settings => HDMI => Resolution and select from the options available (1080P at 60Hz or 1080P at 50Hz)
schubeir

One idea...maybe stupid
vitorcruzbr said:
Aint it possible to hack in order to acheive higher resolutions? Managed to run ubuntu, but it looks everything but good on my tv. :banghead:
Sent from my LG-P920 using xda premium
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Have you tried to set higher resolution within Ubuntu? Like setting screen resolution. I might think it would work because will force the phone to give the application's resolution (still running Ubuntu is like running an application, because Ubuntu is not set in dual boot with Android on the phone but is working through a Virtual Machine, if I'm not wrong)
Can you tell me how you've managed to run Ubuntu on O3D? Thanks

i got another problem that is way worse. i got sound failing during videos are playing. in the movie player or in youtube, all the same, it keeps failing. the sound stops and then starts again but the image has no problem.

Nope... non. On my stock phone. Simply
No sign of HDMI settings
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[Q] HDMI Connection only 720P. Any idea how to change it to 1080P?

Hi,
I am owner of a Sony Xperia Tablet S with a docking station(using to connect to a TV through HDMI cabel). When I connect the tablet to my TV(Samsung 1080P) It is only recognized as 720P device. That's probably OK, but when I play 1080P movie It should change to 1080P video resolution but it doesn't happen. I tried to search for a HDMI output setting in the tablet but there is no such thing, I also tried several video players, even to play exact resolution size video - 1920x1080 no change... still only 720P. And to be honest 720P doesn't look very brilliant from this tablet. I hoped to use the tablet as some kind of "all round video player".
Is there any way that I can convince the tablet to play videos in 1080P/Full HD? Any idea how to resize HDMI output resolution?
I know that it is mirroring my device, but even though it should automatically resize when playing full HD movies. (Saw it on couple of videos, where it does really work. The TV shows 1080P videos and the devices screen stays black, I guess because of their lower resolution, but that's OK.)

Rider008 said:
Hi,
I am owner of a Sony Xperia Tablet S with a docking station(using to connect to a TV through HDMI cabel). When I connect the tablet to my TV(Samsung 1080P) It is only recognized as 720P device. That's probably OK, but when I play 1080P movie It should change to 1080P video resolution but it doesn't happen. I tried to search for a HDMI output setting in the tablet but there is no such thing, I also tried several video players, even to play exact resolution size video - 1920x1080 no change... still only 720P. And to be honest 720P doesn't look very brilliant from this tablet. I hoped to use the tablet as some kind of "all round video player".
Is there any way that I can convince the tablet to play videos in 1080P/Full HD? Any idea how to resize HDMI output resolution?
I know that it is mirroring my device, but even though it should automatically resize when playing full HD movies. (Saw it on couple of videos, where it does really work. The TV shows 1080P videos and the devices screen stays black, I guess because of their lower resolution, but that's OK.)
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I guess, your tablet only supports 720p output via HDMI.. It may be your TV only allowing 720p for HDMI output. Check your TV settings...
Hope this helps!

TheUnknownThing said:
I guess, your tablet only supports 720p output via HDMI.. It may be your TV only allowing 720p for HDMI output. Check your TV settings...
Hope this helps!
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My TV is 1080P I am 100% sure . The TV finds by itself that it is 720P and I cannot change it anywhere in the TV menu(or in tablet). It seems that the tablet sends only 720P - which is OK, but when playing movies it should change to 1080P. The tablet itself should also support 1080P. If I could only get to service menu - there are the settings and I could change the output resolution.
Even though it doesn't seem all newer sony smartphones/tablets should support 1080P. In the service menu it is just matter of few clicks to change the resolution. I don't have permission to send links here, so type on youtube: Sony Xperia S - HDMI - Playstation 3 Controller

Rider008 said:
My TV is 1080P I am 100% sure . The TV finds by itself that it is 720P and I cannot change it anywhere in the TV menu(or in tablet). It seems that the tablet sends only 720P - which is OK, but when playing movies it should change to 1080P. The tablet itself should also support 1080P. If I could only get to service menu - there are the settings and I could change the output resolution.
Even though it doesn't seem all newer sony smartphones/tablets should support 1080P. In the service menu it is just matter of few clicks to change the resolution. I don't have permission to send links here, so type on youtube: Sony Xperia S - HDMI - Playstation 3 Controller
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Well, nearly all TV's support 1080p (4k is next ) So I guess its the Sony software limiting it. Your specs can easily output 1080p. Although the software may be limiting it, try converting the video files to 1080p resolution and give that a shot. Also I have watched a demo of the xperia s tablet in HDMI mode and some parts on the TV screen are cut, so I'm guessing it ONLY supports 720p (unfourtanatly)

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Well, nearly all TV's support 1080p (4k is next ) So I guess its the Sony software limiting it. Your specs can easily output 1080p. Although the software may be limiting it, try converting the video files to 1080p resolution and give that a shot. Also I have watched a demo of the xperia s tablet in HDMI mode and some parts on the TV screen are cut, so I'm guessing it ONLY supports 720p (unfourtanatly)
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I already tried to play 1080P movie with exact resolution no luck... The TV/Tablet hardware are capable of it, even android as software, but sony gave no option to change the resolution anually, which most manufactures don't, but they change to 1080P when playing 1080P stuff.
Only thing that is cut is the bottom navigation bar(I'm not sure how you call it.), but that's ok because the tablet is 16:10 and the TV is 16:9 so It just cuts off the black bar with navigation buttons from bottom. Otherwise it shows 100% from the screen.
As far as I know service menu would help to change it(easiest way), or some kind of app that can change HDMI output resolution? Or app that can change the resolution of the tablet itself, than I guess would the TV recognize the device as 1080P. Any idea?

Rider008 said:
I already tried to play 1080P movie with exact resolution no luck... The TV/Tablet hardware are capable of it, even android as software, but sony gave no option to change the resolution anually, which most manufactures don't, but they change to 1080P when playing 1080P stuff.
Only thing that is cut is the bottom navigation bar(I'm not sure how you call it.), but that's ok because the tablet is 16:10 and the TV is 16:9 so It just cuts off the black bar with navigation buttons from bottom. Otherwise it shows 100% from the screen.
As far as I know service menu would help to change it(easiest way), or some kind of app that can change HDMI output resolution? Or app that can change the resolution of the tablet itself, than I guess would the TV recognize the device as 1080P. Any idea?
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Well, if you want to mimic the 1080p output, then a program that uses root may be required. However, Im not sure if there is such app..

Your tablet doesnt probably have 1080p stream output capacity. Maybe you could plug it to a device with an upscaler

gilarthon said:
Your tablet doesnt probably have 1080p stream output capacity. Maybe you could plug it to a device with an upscaler
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I don't want just upscale the resolution. It won't make image any beter. As I know Tegra 3 does support 1080P, android as software too... so I can't see why it doesn't want to work? My girlfriend has also a Tegra 3 tablet(ASUS) and far as I know when she is playing 1080P it is a real 1080P on the TV and the screen(on the tablet is 720P) just stays black, I mean control buttons and everything is there, just the area where should the movie play on the tablet is black.
It seems I will have to root the tablet omg... Does anybody have an idea if there actually is an app like that? That can send it as 1080P output resolution? I tried to find service menu...no luck... if I could get there, like on the phone it would be just matter of few clicks and 30seconds of work...

Avegant Glyph 3D usage

Hi,
As the users of this device know, Avegant supplied frame packed 3D for this device. I'm trying to use this option effectively in Windows but I have some problems.
I have a GTX 1080 Ti graphics card and a Dell 27" monitor attached via display port.
I'm using HDMI port to connect to Glyph.
I watched HSBS content with this device successfully before the update. But the quality was not very good ( because of SBS resolution is cut in half )..
For example with 1280x720 HSBS, there is 640x720 image per eye and the resulting image is not very good.. Even if the original video is 1920x1080 HSBS, because display resolution is 1280x720, it's first downscaled to 1280x720 and displayed same as the 1280x720 HSBS.
So, now I'm trying to use Stereoscopic Player to display HSBS video as frame packed with no success.. As you may guess, with frame packed it's possible to play 1920x1080 HSBS as 1280x720, upscaled from 960x1080 ( yeah there's a small ratio problem but I could fix it ).
First of all I'm using Nvidia 3d play as output, and set it to display on glyph when played full screen when stereo option is enabled.
I ran the setup wizard on Nvidia control panel and enabled 3D successfully. Something occurred though... Before when I set the desktop resolution to 1280x720 with 3D enabled, Windows displayed flipping menu items in 3D, now it's not. I also ran Trine game from Steam, and the Stereoscopic settings are disabled there also. I could also see that the image is not in 3D. So it actually works while setting up, but after that there are no effects in anywhere. It doesn't kick in.
What could be wrong and how could I fix this?