I think it should be possible to get Ubuntu mobile duel booting on shield abit like the Ubuntu edge phone.
Yeah, its possible alright. Not sure if its worth attempting though, ubuntu mobile is very much touch driven which might be a bit awkward in the shield form factor. If you were to implement the full desktop mode thing from the edge, well thats very much a mouse/keyboard affair. I don't see ubuntu mobile + shield mating too well at this moment.
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Hey guys, I've been looking up on the surface and it's perfect for me. I've never liked tablets because of the keyboard issue so this is great for me.
as I've never had a tablet or anything like this before so my question may be stupid but can I download programs and use them or is it just like apps and stuff? I mean if it was a normal computer but just so thin and compact it would be great and i think that's why I'm mistaking this to be.
I thought as it's a windows 8 tablet that programs on PC that were coded for windows 8 PC would work on the surface?
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Hey guys, I've been looking up on the surface and it's perfect for me. I've never liked tablets because of the keyboard issue so this is great for me.
as I've never had a tablet or anything like this before so my question may be stupid but can I download programs and use them or is it just like apps and stuff? I mean if it was a normal computer but just so thin and compact it would be great and i think that's why I'm mistaking this to be.
I thought as it's a windows 8 tablet that programs on PC that were coded for windows 8 PC would work on the surface?
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You are right and wrong.
surface by microsoft is of two types.
-surface rt
-surface pro.
surface rt is powered by nvidia arm tegra 3 processor. this will allow it to ONLY run windows app created for ARM processor. so with this you will only be able to use apps downloaded from windows store(previously known as metro apps). this tab will be lighter, cheaper and is already available on microsoft stores.
surface pro on the other hand is powere by intel sandy bridge processors built on x86 architecture. this means it has the same architecture as old windows machines and will run older programmes made for windows 7, vista etc. also it will be able to run apps downloaded from windows store(metro apps). this tab will be bulkier, and more expensive and is expected to be available by the end of the year.
from your post i think you should stick with the surface pro. hope i ans ur question.
spaco22 provided great answers, but I think the real question is - what stuff (apps/programs) do you want to download and use?
The Surface RT comes with Office, media player, etc. It works with Netflix, Hulu, Amazon video, and has an "app store".
If you want to install and run "any" Windows program, I agree with spaco22, you'll want the Pro, or, IMO, spend another hundred or two and get an Ultrabook or convertible. You'll have a better overall "full Windows" experience than on the Surface Pro.
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spaco22 provided great answers, but I think the real question is - what stuff (apps/programs) do you want to download and use?
The Surface RT comes with Office, media player, etc. It works with Netflix, Hulu, Amazon video, and has an "app store".
If you want to install and run "any" Windows program, I agree with spaco22, you'll want the Pro, or, IMO, spend another hundred or two and get an Ultrabook or convertible. You'll have a better overall "full Windows" experience than on the Surface Pro.
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Just everyday programs that I use on my computer, I like the idea of the Surface cause of how thin it is but if the pro version is bulkier then I don't think I'd bother.
Thanks for answering guys!
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Just everyday programs that I use on my computer, I like the idea of the Surface cause of how thin it is but if the pro version is bulkier then I don't think I'd bother.
Thanks for answering guys!
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Its worth a note that surface pro isn't the only x86 windows 8 tablet. If you want skinny then you could look up atom basses tablets as they can be just as slim though you will lose power so don't expect call of duty, though the new amd chips had it running at 30fps but then your thicker again. Also note that almost all keyboards can work even with Rt let alonr pro. I have a surface but i don't use the touchpad as its a bit restrictive ie you need a flat surface, so i use a mac Bluetooth keyboard and it works a great and is almost as slim and 100x more practical est with the kickstand.
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spaco22 provided great answers, but I think the real question is - what stuff (apps/programs) do you want to download and use?
The Surface RT comes with Office, media player, etc. It works with Netflix, Hulu, Amazon video, and has an "app store".
If you want to install and run "any" Windows program, I agree with spaco22, you'll want the Pro, or, IMO, spend another hundred or two and get an Ultrabook or convertible. You'll have a better overall "full Windows" experience than on the Surface Pro.
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Yeah but the pro is going to be over $1000 depending on what model and you are saying spending a few hundred more for an ultrabook. The point being is the surface rt and ipads are limited but for most users will be fine for daily computing. Yes they don't run legacy apps but looking forward , future software will be designed for that platform if Win8 has a strong install base and legacy apps will not really be needed / wanted in many cases.
the atom based tablet looks good, plus it has 4G LTE which is a bonus
im not looking to play call of duty on it but i just want something that's powerful and run normal programs. there's not apps for everything I need to do.
Thanks for the heads up on RT vs PRO. Might have to reconsider buying the RT and going straight to Pro
I'm a 11th grade student and I wield the computer a lot for my light work, which includes creation of content such as Presentations (ppts), Java Programming and a casual user's use. Well, I even don't do MUCH travelling as for me, travelling is like maybe a weekend trip or a long summer vacation.
I'm already having the:
1. HP Pavilion dv6 6165tx Laptop
2. Acer Iconia W510 Windows 8 Hybrid (Tablet)
Now my question is, I'm comfortable with the Laptop, so any ideas as how to use both the Computers equally good, though my Laptop is around 2kg heavy. Laptop was also built for portability, so how can one leave the laptop "at home" to carry the tablet around? Isn't that going against the definition of a Laptop, whose main aim is 'portability'?
Please help me out with my doubts! Thanks a ton, in advance! :
I can't answer for w8, but I do have both a high-end laptop and a real hybrid tablet. (because the Transformer is the mother of tablet-laptop hybrids.)
What I do is use Splashtop. It lets me control my laptop(which sits at home) on my tablet over internet, giving me the hardware of one(laptop) , and portability & battery of the other(tablet). Since I depends on the Adobe CS5 master collection, merely a tablet is not sufficient. (I can even Game on it. Seriously.)
I do not know if it exists for w8, but if not I am sure there are alternatives.
I rarely bring my laptop with me these days. I know laptops are supposed to be portable, but that was before we had decent tablets. I do 6 hours by train every day, a laptop is anything but 'portable' compared to a tablet.
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Ooh thanks!
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I can't answer for w8, but I do have both a high-end laptop and a real hybrid tablet. (because the Transformer is the mother of tablet-laptop hybrids.)
What I do is use Splashtop. It lets me control my laptop(which sits at home) on my tablet over internet, giving me the hardware of one(laptop) , and portability & battery of the other(tablet). Since I depends on the Adobe CS5 master collection, merely a tablet is not sufficient. (I can even Game on it. Seriously.)
I do not know if it exists for w8, but if not I am sure there are alternatives.
I rarely bring my laptop with me these days. I know laptops are supposed to be portable, but that was before we had decent tablets. I do 6 hours by train every day, a laptop is anything but 'portable' compared to a tablet.
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Oh, thanks a ton ShadowLea! I thought, I was the only one who had a Laptop and a Hybrid, which sounds more like having two Laptops! Well, from what you've said, I guess this Laptop-Hybrid combinations isn't a bad one, ain't it?
Once again thanks a lot for helping me out!
First of, I don't mean to start any fanboy arguments or a flame war. I want this is be an objective discussion.
After selling my Galaxy Note 10.1 (the new one was announced and I figured I'd sell mine before it dropped in value), I found myself missing the convenience of owning a tablet. So I decided I would get myself a Nexus 7 or an Asus Transformer.
My needs involve doing research, reading PDFs and ebooks, and web browsing.
However, I recently discovered the Dell Venue 8 Pro (299) and the Asus TF100 (399) which includes a keyboard dock at no extra cost.
$300 for full blown windows (x86, not RT) compared to similar if not higher prices for Android tablets? The Dell weighs only 3 ounces more than the Nexus 7. So this isn't a bulky Surface like tablet. This is fully portable and functional Windows x86 on tablets similar in weight and size to that of Android devices.
I really would love to own a Nexus 7 but money is limited and I don't think owning 2 tablets is practical. As much as I would like one, I cannot justify the purchase.
For as long as I can remember, mobile systems (iOS, Android) have been trying to emulate the functionality of desktop computers. Now it seems fruitless.
I've purchase apps for Android that allow for some productivity (OfficeSuite, ezPDF, remote desktop, etc) but let's be real, multitasking on Android is nowhere near that of a desktop, even with floating apps.
I can't open things independent of the launching app. Say I'm in file explorer and open a PDF, then switch to something else, now I want to go back to the PDF...I have to switch to the file explorer because that's where it's instanced. That's a hassle. I can't launch multiple things from file explorer either. Why can't the file explorer launch my PDF app and have it load the PDF independent of the file explorer, instead of opening it via the PDF app but in some form of instance.
It's predicted that Intel based tablets will be cheaper and in more abundance next year, how does 1 justify an iOS or Android tablet? Perhaps as a couch based consumption device? Or a travel consumption device? The Dell I mentioned has 8-10 estimated battery life so personally I still don't see it.
I would love to hear the opinions of others on this. Please share your thoughts.
Edit: One last thought.
I think the new and upcoming atom windows tablets look promising except for the fact that the current ones are using eMMC as storage rather than SSD. The new atom chips support sata 2 but I'm not sure how an ssd would affect price or other factors. Maybe next year we'll see some.
Anyway, my concern is how effective can eMMC be on a desktop? What's the expected lifespan? It might work great for mobile OS's but I'm weary about its performance on Windows.
windows?no. windows are good at pc but worse at tablet than android and ioa
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windows?no. windows are good at pc but worse at tablet than android and ioa
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Care to elaborate?
Metro UI is very functional on a tablet and handles multitasking well. If you're referring to legacy x86 programs, well that may be a point of contention, but having the option for said programs is better than not having them at all. The digitizer on the Venue Pro 8 is also very functional and makes using legacy apps much easier on the smaller form factor.
I've ordered a dell venue 8, which is the android one and here's why. I have a HP touchpad that is running android OK but crash once in a while. I like the 8 inch size when I tried out the note 8.0 in store, but that's way overpriced. Second, 8 inch is too small for a full windows in my opinion. I use app to stream and control my windows 8.1 laptop on the 9.7 inch touch pad and I still not comfortable with it. Last, it's a no brainer to buy a windows tablet when I have an i7 on my actual laptop that cause me $699 3 years ago.
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android because the interface is more friendly
The windows tablet would seem to be a good choice if you use it for work and it's supposed to be a seemless transition from tablet to laptop of computer of the same os. I don't really care for the new windows 8 UI and still stick with the traditional Windows UI when using my laptop, though it has both on it. I am a big android person due to rooting and mobile phones and so on. I would be interested in knowing how your experience is switching from one to the other. I believe the side to side windows UI is supposed to compete with android and ios.
My laptop hard drive has died. I don't really want to repair since it sometimes doesn't turn on past the bios and it's bulky for traveling.
I looked at the Surface Pro 3 to replace it since I feel insecure about going ARM only. It feels too early. Yet younger people go straight with tablet and keyboard without worry.
I feel that if I don't have an x86 processor on hand there's going to be a time when I need to run something and then I can't do it. But the only examples I can think of right now are AbletonLive and RosettaStone.
So I feel I should be thinking about dropping the old architecture and moving on. The surface pro3 bypasses this but it's a lot extra compared to non x86 which means when traveling I'd be stressing about security all the time. Also the ergonomics of the keyboard are not great. Because of this I looked at carrying a pico itx desktop and plugging into whatever monitor I can find.
What times has there been for you where you needed to run that x86 program? Like rooting a phone or something like this?
Maybe I just need to hold out until the SP4 is out and the SP3 drops in price.
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My laptop hard drive has died. I don't really want to repair since it sometimes doesn't turn on past the bios and it's bulky for traveling.
I looked at the Surface Pro 3 to replace it since I feel insecure about going ARM only. It feels too early. Yet younger people go straight with tablet and keyboard without worry.
I feel that if I don't have an x86 processor on hand there's going to be a time when I need to run something and then I can't do it. But the only examples I can think of right now are AbletonLive and RosettaStone.
So I feel I should be thinking about dropping the old architecture and moving on. The surface pro3 bypasses this but it's a lot extra compared to non x86 which means when traveling I'd be stressing about security all the time. Also the ergonomics of the keyboard are not great. Because of this I looked at carrying a pico itx desktop and plugging into whatever monitor I can find.
What times has there been for you where you needed to run that x86 program? Like rooting a phone or something like this?
Maybe I just need to hold out until the SP4 is out and the SP3 drops in price.
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Like you say, rooting is the main issue. I like ARM but it just doesn't have the same apps such as genuinely good office suites or OTG rooting so I wouldn't be able to permanently switch. Plus I like PC gaming too much
I stuck with x86. A celeron n2820 though for 200 euros. Zoostorm Plex 2in1.
Thanks for the opinion... swung it for me
I ran across this little article and I was thinking that when this option becomes available it may be applicable to the Surface. I was able to get a surface for free from a friend of mine who was having trouble charging it. I was there doing work on a laptop for her dad and she just told me I could have the tablet. I offered to try and repair it, and she just said to keep it. So, got the surface rt, blue keyboard, and a case. Come to find out that all that was bad was the charger. Some loose wires. I wasn't able to fix the charger, but I have a new one coming tomorrow. Now I have to come up something to do with this little tablet. Minecraft for the kids would be preferred. Everything else is fine on the tablet. So, a little curious to see how this Windows 10 ARM works and if it will work to put on the Surface RT. Especially, with the emulation built in.
https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-arm-not-windows-rt
lol x86 emulation isn't going to work on a Tegra 3. There has been work on porting Windows 10 IoT to the tablet but there is a lot to do like porting drivers and applications
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lol x86 emulation isn't going to work on a Tegra 3. There has been work on porting Windows 10 IoT to the tablet but there is a lot to do like porting drivers and applications
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Lol what. The old tegra hardware is perfectly capable from a hardware standpoint.
We already had working emulation on the surface RT... I played though all of fallout 1 on my surface RT.
https://hackaday.com/2013/02/18/running-x86-apps-on-windows-rt-devices/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934
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Lol what. The old tegra hardware is perfectly capable from a hardware standpoint.
We already had working emulation on the surface RT... I played though all of fallout 1 on my surface RT.
https://hackaday.com/2013/02/18/running-x86-apps-on-windows-rt-devices/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934
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The project is abandoned. Sorry.
There is this group working on Linux for the rt model surface units. https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_151267220466917&key=f0a7f91912ae2b52e0700f73990eb321&libId=jawsy41u01000n4o000DAwb2n09zf9zol&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.xda-developers.com%2Fsitesearch.php%3Fq%3Dwindows%2520surface%2520rt&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fq%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fforum.xda-developers.com%2Fwindows-8-rt%2Frt-development%2Fwip-secure-boot-linux-surface-rt-t3653848%26sa%3DU%26ved%3D0ahUKEwiEsrbTwPjXAhWD2YMKHQPXA48QFggMMAQ%26client%3Dinternal-uds-cse%26cx%3Dpartner-pub-2900107662879704%3A4763122713%26usg%3DAOvVaw09iZfaks4BIXZgVRFCfAIG&title=General%20Search&txt=%5BWIP%5D%20Secure%20Boot%20and%20Linux%20for%20%3Cb%3ESurface%20RT%3C%2Fb%3E%20%7C%20%3Cb%3EWindows%3C%2Fb%3E%208%2C%20RT%20...
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There is this group working on Linux for the rt model surface units. https://redirect.viglink.com/?forma... <b>Surface RT</b> | <b>Windows</b> 8, RT ...
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phoenixbennu said:
I ran across this little article and I was thinking that when this option becomes available it may be applicable to the Surface. I was able to get a surface for free from a friend of mine who was having trouble charging it. I was there doing work on a laptop for her dad and she just told me I could have the tablet. I offered to try and repair it, and she just said to keep it. So, got the surface rt, blue keyboard, and a case. Come to find out that all that was bad was the charger. Some loose wires. I wasn't able to fix the charger, but I have a new one coming tomorrow. Now I have to come up something to do with this little tablet. Minecraft for the kids would be preferred. Everything else is fine on the tablet. So, a little curious to see how this Windows 10 ARM works and if it will work to put on the Surface RT. Especially, with the emulation built in.
https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-arm-not-windows-rt
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Windows 10 for Surface RT has been leaked.
Here is a link (follow the steps carefully)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/wi...face-rt-2-windows-10-arm32-step-step-t4107273