Just poking through the news portal before work (I work at an electronics retailer that sells wireless) I came across a LOT of hate for the OEMs and their update schedule, even those who are very good at it (Sony, Samsung) and yet again realized the blinders of long-term XDA residency. A lot of people here complain about their updates, and with good reason sometimes (I'm looking at you, LG Thrill) but having worked with a LOT of people who are nowhere near the level of Android proficiency of the average reader of XDA, keep in mind a few things:
1. You as a high-level user make up a very low percentage of sales of mobile devices. 90% of those who buy (non-Nexus at least) smartphones, just want to make calls, text, and play games. For all intents and purposes, your opinion doesn't matter to the OEMs, because you make up a significant minority.
2. The average consumer can't deal with imperfect software. Most of us are content, or even more comfortable with, "beta status" software. We don't mind the occasional crash, having to flash a new nightly when the last one eats our bluetooth driver, etc. Unfortunately, for the average wireless user, this just gets in the way of phone calls, texts, or games.
3. Perfect software takes time. A LOT of time. Think about your favorite ROM. I'm going to take mine, AOKP. AOKP for JB-MR1 was made available in nightly form less than a month after the release of 4.2. A version considered "stable" took 6 months to release, and was available fully bug free for Nexus devices only (in my experience) and I still wouldn't have put my mother on it (actually I tried and she hated it, so we flashed her phone back to stock. She eventually traded out for an iPhone, and has loved it) Speaking of, even the iPhone takes time, and they're developing iOS 7 for 7 devices. My Nexus running AOKP nightlies has less issues than my iPhone 5 running iOS 7 Seed 4. Now take that and apply it to a company with 10-15 updatable devices, and you see where the problem lies.
I guess my point here is, the OEMs aren't developing for you. You don't care anyway, you probably didn't even run the stock software on your phone, you unboxed it, booted into fastboot, and unlocked your bootloader/flashed recovery/ROM/rooted/whatever before you even had a chance to. Just something I had to mention. I'm more than open to comments/criticism/general "stfu and go back to your iPhone fanboy"
Absolutely true; Most users don't even bother to update to begin with. They don't care that there is a new version out if the previous one does what they want it to do.
Hell, the average used doesn't even know what the android versions are called or which one their phone is running.
Indeed. Every time friends of mine get new smartphones (most of the time totally ignoring my advice and following the crowd) and I ask which android version their running they always say android 4 (or Android 2 back in the day) which obviously doesn't tell me squad. They really don't care, all they want is to fit in, so their either buying a S4 or i5.
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I was discussing the same subject with a friend couple of weeks back. One thing he suggested that was, if updates are more, then average people would consider that your software is not up to mark and that is the reason why OEM is updating it often. And before pusing out an update, the OEMs have to test the update thouroughly. Apple can do it becuase they don't have 30-40 models in the market at any given point of time.
Having said that, the way Apple updates and takes more than 90% of userbase to latest version is an achievement in itself. That's because most iPhone users don't understand what is an update. They just press update button when the notification comes.
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I was discussing the same subject with a friend couple of weeks back. One thing he suggested that was, if updates are more, then average people would consider that your software is not up to mark and that is the reason why OEM is updating it often. And before pusing out an update, the OEMs have to test the update thouroughly. Apple can do it becuase they don't have 30-40 models in the market at any given point of time.
Having said that, the way Apple updates and takes more than 90% of userbase to latest version is an achievement in itself. That's because most iPhone users don't understand what is an update. They just press update button when the notification comes.
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And because when Apple pushes an update, without fail it contains major improvements for the end user, no matter their level of skill. No one cares about 4.2/4.3 because the only real update between the two of them is the lockscreen, which takes a LOT of getting used to. I could take or leave 4.2 and 4.3, if I were on 4.1 I'd be content day-to-day. As is, I'm still on AOKP 4.2 and have no intention of ROM hopping to get the update sooner.
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I was discussing the same subject with a friend couple of weeks back. One thing he suggested that was, if updates are more, then average people would consider that your software is not up to mark and that is the reason why OEM is updating it often. And before pusing out an update, the OEMs have to test the update thouroughly. Apple can do it becuase they don't have 30-40 models in the market at any given point of time.
Having said that, the way Apple updates and takes more than 90% of userbase to latest version is an achievement in itself. That's because most iPhone users don't understand what is an update. They just press update button when the notification comes.
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It doesn't help that Apple forces the update on you. My iPad stopped working and I had to reset it, but in order to reset it I was forced to upgrade to iOS 6. There was literally no way for me to stay on iOS 5 even though I wanted to. Damn you Apple.
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It doesn't help that Apple forces the update on you. My iPad stopped working and I had to reset it, but in order to reset it I was forced to upgrade to iOS 6. There was literally no way for me to stay on iOS 5 even though I wanted to. Damn you Apple.
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unless you saved your shsh blobs on earlier devices. Too bad that's been closed
nerdfacenyan said:
unless you saved your shsh blobs on earlier devices. Too bad that's been closed
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Stop apple trolling before i report you.
nerdfacenyan said:
And because when Apple pushes an update, without fail it contains major improvements for the end user, no matter their level of skill. No one cares about 4.2/4.3 because the only real update between the two of them is the lockscreen, which takes a LOT of getting used to. I could take or leave 4.2 and 4.3, if I were on 4.1 I'd be content day-to-day. As is, I'm still on AOKP 4.2 and have no intention of ROM hopping to get the update sooner.
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Stop apple trolling before i report you.
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I can tell you're new here, so I'll spare you the lecture for the most part, but telling things like it is != apple trolling. Get a job in wireless sales and you'll start to see the benefit of both sides, especially when no matter whether the manufacturer, their commission is food in your pantry.
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Verizon and other carriers are working with Google to ban rooting phones. Data will get throttled and possibility of the phone getting banned from network coverage.
1. The way that they were able to track rooted users is based on pushing updates to phones, and then tracking which meid's did not take the update.
2. More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program.
3. In new builds the tracking would be built into the firmware and that if a person removed the tracking from the firmware then the phone would not be verified on the network (i.e. your phone could not make phone calls or access data).
4. Google is working with carriers and manufacturers to secure phones, and although Google is not working to end hacking, it is working to secure the kernel so that no future applications can maliciously use exploits to steal end-user information. But in order to gain this level of security this may mean limited chances to root the device. (This item I've been told but not yet able to verify through multiple sources – so take it for what you want)
5. Verizon has successfully used its new programs to throttle data on test devices in accordance with the guidelines of the program.
6. The push is to lock down the devices as tight as can be, but also offer un-lockable devices (Think Nexus S).
NOOOOOO,
that sux and i wanted to buy a andriod soon because of the rooting.
I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
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I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
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i completely agree with your first point considering I am one of those ppl! also I rooted my EVO to get better battery life....thats another reason to rooting.
i do see the carriers point of view tho.....they dont want people using the tethering workaround they gain from rooting since that is money that they are missing out on.
i should mention, tho, i am against the carriers doing this!! im just saying that i see where they are coming from
I dont think there is any blocks coming to any of the networks in the UK
This subject has already been discussed - more than once, you'll see, from the link I posted in that thread.
If this takes place, I'll be going back to Iphone.
his was an email I got from my networking team. Just wanted to inform and at the same time get a few informed views.
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I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
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I know this is my first post, but this thread caught my eye.
the reason they don't want us rooting our phones is because if we do we can use out old phone longer and don't have to pay out he wazoo for a brand new phone. I have a Samsung Moment the last O/S that I could get was Android 2.1 Update 1 which basically rendered the Spring gps useless, and made calls and texts come in when ever they wanted, forcing me to think about a new phone, So i joined the SDX forums and rooted it installed 2.2 with the EB28 rom and so far every thing works as good as a Samsung epic just not 4 g,. which doesn't bother me since I don't video chat.
As far as I am concerned YOU paid for the, phone YOU pay the phone bill its YOURS, you should be able to do whatever you want to with it.
that realy sucks. I dont like that
I wouldn't sweat this too much.
I understand the tethering issue, and I also understand that the base is, and always will be, money. That's the whole point of any business.
Having said that, this community in itself is a market and there are people watching what we are doing and where we are going, because there's cash to be made. If we run into locked bootloaders, dead phones, crappy updates and new phones riddled with bloatware, you better believe that someone else will be ready to snatch all of us up and give us exactly what we want, if not close.
If I owned a company large enough to deliver wireless service, I'd be sitting silently with a squad of high-end 250 dollar unlocked smartphones ready for some good ol "we have your back" marketing. ...granted my wireless was on point and I got good reception.
I don't think us getting into our phones and tinkering with it's innards is ever gonna stop. It might change, yeah, but it won't stop.
damn that doesn't sound to good
even if this happens i'm pretty sure there will be workarounds..
So please explain me how that would work in the court room :
- defendent : I paid for a data plan, and now I am accused of using it
- provider : he has installed an upgraded OS on his phone, your honor !
That would be the same as switching phones (for example if I change my Hero for an unlocked Nexus S, I would be using the same OS as in my hacked Hero), while still having the contract.
I can not see how they can enforce such a thing.
I always buy SIM free phones, so they cant really get me with that as I dont ever get carrier updates.
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So please explain me how that would work in the court room :
- defendent : I paid for a data plan, and now I am accused of using it
- provider : he has installed an upgraded OS on his phone, your honor !
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Defendant: I paid for a data plan that expressly stated that tethering is not included so I fiddled with my phone so that I could do that without paying the appropriate charges.
Network: as you can see, a clear breach of contract.
Not that it would ever reach a courtroom anyway.
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I always buy SIM free phones, so they cant really get me with that as I dont ever get carrier updates.
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That's got nothing to do with it though - I have an unlocked. unbranded Motorola Defy but the bootloader is still encrypted.
Some manufacturers can and do lock down handsets that aren't tied to any one network. Motorola do it, HTC seem to be moving in that direction - only SE are taking clear steps in the opposite direction.
Let's have a go at it one more time:
Defendant :
"Your honor, android is all about innovation, and carriers are ganging up with manufacturares cuz they want more, and more, and more, but are to lazy or incapable, or lacking inspiration. I do root, but tethering might as well not even be there, as it is part of many official out of the box releases. If i root, i do it cuz some manufacturers and some carriers are incapable of offering me the google experience im locking for, and as this is a carrier dominance, i dont have a choice but get the closest device for my budget, and that delivers the closest version to that google experience, and then root it, to get the proper battery life i paid for, and get rid of bloatware, which isnt productive for my needs, as THIS DEVICE IS MINE, I OWN IT!"
Network:
We are directly against Android!!!!
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if this happend i think hes going to loose a lot of client so i don't think thats going to happend if no root no theme change no a lot of other things no liberty so if they do that i buy an iphone ^^
hey andy...why dont u guys start investing in you own hardware... apple is pretty good at it, google would be a hit. at least a research would be more then worthed.
my, how the tables would turn in such case....
The more I read and hear this, the more I don't believe it will ever happen.
I do not live in the USA and English is not my native tongue. Could someone with good English knowledge explain to me the definition of the term "soon" in Tmo announcement regarding the GB update?!?!?
Thanks everybody!
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krekabl said:
I do not live in the USA and English is not my native tongue. Could someone with good English knowledge explain to me the definition of the term "soon" in Tmo announcement regarding the GB update?!?!?
Thanks everybody!
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Soon means whenever they get around to it. Which so far has been sometime in May, "Before Summer", this summer and prior to armageddon.
There really is no way of knowing until you wake up one sunny day and find that you have a notification that you have a software update.
Hope that helps
Replies in this thread should be interesting.
Soon in this case means, whenever t-mo decides it is ready to release.
**** in one hand and wish in another, see what fills up first.
What they said...
If you have a G2x, your best bet would be to root and then flash a rom of your choice. Then wait till TMO does release the new software and it's massaged by our outstanding devs.
lindel said:
What they said...
If you have a G2x, your best bet would be to root and then flash a rom of your choice. Then wait till TMO does release the new software and it's massaged by our outstanding devs.
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Yes I live in Europe and I got a G2X from the USA and I pray to God everyday not to have any issue with the phone before this "soon" update arrives to fix all these bugs people complain about. I rooted it and run it on EB 1.05 for me works perfectly!, up to now at least!
I used to be up in arms about the update, but now that CM7 is basically stable, everyone should just run that. Arcee has done an incredible job with it.
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I used to be up in arms about the update, but now that CM7 is basically stable, everyone should just run that. Arcee has done an incredible job with it.
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Thanks. Does CM7 have any known issues? Does everything work? I heard that the thing with this update is not the GB itself but LG drivers which should fix the issues. And since I live in Europe I have no way in the world to send my G2X back in the States to get another one if this one freaks out.
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Thanks. Does CM7 have any known issues? Does everything work? I heard that the thing with this update is not the GB itself but LG drivers which should fix the issues. And since I live in Europe I have no way in the world to send my G2X back in the States to get another one if this one freaks out.
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The battery drivers are fixed with CM7 and the only thing that doesn't work is A2DP, so if you need that, flash EB.
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Thanks. Does CM7 have any known issues? Does everything work? I heard that the thing with this update is not the GB itself but LG drivers which should fix the issues. And since I live in Europe I have no way in the world to send my G2X back in the States to get another one if this one freaks out.
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I'm picky about bugs. That said I'm on cm7 and its very very stable. And has so many goodies.
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The battery drivers are fixed with CM7 and the only thing that doesn't work is A2DP, so if you need that, flash EB.
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Since I have NO IDEA what A2DP is, I guess it's OK to flash CM7... I mean if it REALLY is that stable
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Since I have NO IDEA what A2DP is, I guess it's OK to flash CM7... I mean if it REALLY is that stable
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LOL... yea cm7's nice bro ....
krekabl said:
I do not live in the USA and English is not my native tongue. Could someone with good English knowledge explain to me the definition of the term "soon" in Tmo announcement regarding the GB update?!?!?
Thanks everybody!
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I'm sure everyone else's reply will be far more helpful than mine. In the US, where we tend to legalize almost everything, soon means, we are working on it, but can neither confirm nor deny an actual release date. Soon means, yes, we have a release date, but will not publicize that date, because if something goes wrong and we miss the date, everyone on XDA will sue us. So, soon means, soon, the near future.
To some, soon means tomorrow, or next week. To others, soon will always mean, not soon enough. To me, I received my phone on June 13th. I still have alot of time before soon becomes worrisome to me. Others received their phones in April. Soon has a different meaning for them.
Suffice it to say, LG had a plan when they released this phone. Most likely that called for a summer release of GB. To me, it very much looks like, they are still on track for that release. Whether that meets others expectations of 'soon', hard to say. You can debate the merit of whether speaking plan truth or being vague are the proper courses of action. I will instead remind everyone of some historical events that illustrate what I am saying.
Years ago, Microsoft promised to release their Operating systems, when they are done. Eventually the big joke became, by how much they will miss their release date. Virtually every program they released, missed the estimated release date. The public outcry, was tell us when, then just release it. Microsoft eventually shifted their style of this, and announced a release date and promised to hit that date. And they did. The public outcry was, how can you release something that is not finished?
Though almost everyone agrees there are things wrong with the G2x, by industry events, its probably no worse than many other releases. There are MANY people that claim no issues other than perhaps battery life. If the truth ever was realized, problematic devices most likely range in the less that 5% range. One needs only visit forums of similar devices to realize that whats going on with this device is going on with other devices. This device is no better or worse than others...except for 1 thing...you own this device.
I suspect LG had a 90 day window for the update plans, which puts it around the mid July range. One of the forum members very nicely predicted July 17th, several weeks ago. Most of this is all industry standard.
Is 90 days soon? Is it soon enough? Or is it totally unacceptable? Soon enough, people will read this post and tell me I don't know s**t. But its too soon to tell about that. Soon I hope to be able to eat Breakfast. But no matter what, we'll soon have our answer. But, will it be soon enough?
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I'm sure everyone else's reply will be far more helpful than mine. In the US, where we tend to legalize almost everything, soon means, we are working on it, but can neither confirm nor deny an actual release date. Soon means, yes, we have a release date, but will not publicize that date, because if something goes wrong and we miss the date, everyone on XDA will sue us. So, soon means, soon, the near future.
To some, soon means tomorrow, or next week. To others, soon will always mean, not soon enough. To me, I received my phone on June 13th. I still have alot of time before soon becomes worrisome to me. Others received their phones in April. Soon has a different meaning for them.
Suffice it to say, LG had a plan when they released this phone. Most likely that called for a summer release of GB. To me, it very much looks like, they are still on track for that release. Whether that meets others expectations of 'soon', hard to say. You can debate the merit of whether speaking plan truth or being vague are the proper courses of action. I will instead remind everyone of some historical events that illustrate what I am saying.
Years ago, Microsoft promised to release their Operating systems, when they are done. Eventually the big joke became, by how much they will miss their release date. Virtually every program they released, missed the estimated release date. The public outcry, was tell us when, then just release it. Microsoft eventually shifted their style of this, and announced a release date and promised to hit that date. And they did. The public outcry was, how can you release something that is not finished?
Though almost everyone agrees there are things wrong with the G2x, by industry events, its probably no worse than many other releases. There are MANY people that claim no issues other than perhaps battery life. If the truth ever was realized, problematic devices most likely range in the less that 5% range. One needs only visit forums of similar devices to realize that whats going on with this device is going on with other devices. This device is no better or worse than others...except for 1 thing...you own this device.
I suspect LG had a 90 day window for the update plans, which puts it around the mid July range. One of the forum members very nicely predicted July 17th, several weeks ago. Most of this is all industry standard.
Is 90 days soon? Is it soon enough? Or is it totally unacceptable? Soon enough, people will read this post and tell me I don't know s**t. But its too soon to tell about that. Soon I hope to be able to eat Breakfast. But no matter what, we'll soon have our answer. But, will it be soon enough?
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Do you think couldn't they have just waited a bit and in stead of Froyo released the phone with GB right away? Is it just the urge to be first dual core on the record at all cost no matter what, or is it normal? Just to say, I am totally satisfied with my G2X and I do not regret getting this phone.
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Though almost everyone agrees there are things wrong with the G2x, by industry events, its probably no worse than many other releases. There are MANY people that claim no issues other than perhaps battery life. If the truth ever was realized, problematic devices most likely range in the less that 5% range. One needs only visit forums of similar devices to realize that whats going on with this device is going on with other devices.
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I like you alodar1. I usually agree with most of what you say.
But I call BS on this part of your answer.
There were two different threads that took polls. One ended at about 2 out of 3 bad before IT closed and the 2nd was at around 1 in 2 last I checked. Even accounting for the oft posited fact that most here are power users and that's why they are here complaining, that's a LOT MORE than 5% bad.
I take issue when anyone tries to say that there are not real problems with most of the G2X's.
You may think I'm a whiner or I returned my phones for no good reason (I know better), but there is no changing the fact that I got four bad. Some were way worse than others, but they all had real problems. My last one seems great and my daughter got a great one from the get go. But there are a lot more than 5% of G2Xs that are bad.... a lot more. A lot of other people beside me are on their forth or fifth one. Others like my daughter got good ones from the get go.
I'm a fan. I am not keeping my Sensation. It cannot compare with the G2X. But I believe way more than 5% are bad.
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Do you think couldn't they have just waited a bit and in stead of Froyo released the phone with GB right away? Is it just the urge to be first dual core on the record at all cost no matter what, or is it normal? Just to say, I am totally satisfied with my G2X and I do not regret getting this phone.
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Smart and business needs are usually 2 different things. Could they have waited? Maybe...but LG is a big company...they probably had this release scheduled for several months. Would it have been wise....maybe...but consider testing resources and planning to get to a release, and look at the other phones in their release lineup....you might realize that there was no room for to wait.
Years and Years ago, my wife argued against me getting a computer....wait she kept saying. One day are argued and ran out and bought a 386. She didn't say a word. But the next year, the 486's came out, cheaper than the 386 I bought the year before.....and she said to me...see, I told you.
Thing is, she's right, it was better and was cheaper. But that kind of arguement never fullfills itself...because there is something new everyday.
We take our phones to heart...they are an investment and we want to believe we make the best choices for us. When it looks like maybe we didn't, we spend time justifying why we did something. Thats where expectation gets in the way. We pulled the trigger and got what we got. After the remorse period, it was ours...most people, for 2 yrs..while the contract runs out.
But we can only expect companies to what is right and best...we know that their interests and ours are different. Should they have waited?? Why? They just released the Revolution...and the Thrill is coming out next month. waiting for the G2x would have only delayed those releases.
Remember, the bottom line is not quality and satisfaction, but rather, $$$.
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Smart and business needs are usually 2 different things. Could they have waited? Maybe...but LG is a big company...they probably had this release scheduled for several months. Would it have been wise....maybe...but consider testing resources and planning to get to a release, and look at the other phones in their release lineup....you might realize that there was no room for to wait.
Years and Years ago, my wife argued against me getting a computer....wait she kept saying. One day are argued and ran out and bought a 386. She didn't say a word. But the next year, the 486's came out, cheaper than the 386 I bought the year before.....and she said to me...see, I told you.
Thing is, she's right, it was better and was cheaper. But that kind of arguement never fullfills itself...because there is something new everyday.
We take our phones to heart...they are an investment and we want to believe we make the best choices for us. When it looks like maybe we didn't, we spend time justifying why we did something. Thats where expectation gets in the way. We pulled the trigger and got what we got. After the remorse period, it was ours...most people, for 2 yrs..while the contract runs out.
But we can only expect companies to what is right and best...we know that their interests and ours are different. Should they have waited?? Why? They just released the Revolution...and the Thrill is coming out next month. waiting for the G2x would have only delayed those releases.
Remember, the bottom line is not quality and satisfaction, but rather, $$$.
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I completely agree with you. But if it is really true that there are so many issues with the phone it seems to me quite incredible that they did not notice at least some of it before it went into stores.
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Since I have NO IDEA what A2DP is, I guess it's OK to flash CM7... I mean if it REALLY is that stable
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A2DP is Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
A Bluetooth profile (mode) for streaming audio, such as from a music phone to headphones.
Compared to profiles such as Headset and Handsfree, A2DP supports stereo audio, and is one-way instead of two-way.
ickster said:
I like you alodar1. I usually agree with most of what you say.
But I call BS on this part of your answer.
There were two different threads that took polls. One ended at about 2 out of 3 bad before IT closed and the 2nd was at around 1 in 2 last I checked. Even accounting for the oft posited fact that most here are power users and that's why they are here complaining, that's a LOT MORE than 5% bad.
I take issue when anyone tries to say that there are not real problems with most of the G2X's.
You may think I'm a whiner or I returned my phones for no good reason (I know better), but there is no changing the fact that I got four bad. Some were way worse than others, but they all had real problems. My last one seems great and my daughter got a great one from the get go. But there are a lot more than 5% of G2Xs that are bad.... a lot more. A lot of other people beside me are on their forth or fifth one. Others like my daughter got good ones from the get go.
I'm a fan. I am not keeping my Sensation. It cannot compare with the G2X. But I believe way more than 5% are bad.
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I think we're on the same page, whether you believe it or not. If we took a poll of how many power users are on XDA it would be a high %. But, LG did not only sell only to XDA members.
We will never know the actual number of G2x's sold. Nor will we ever know the actual number of bad devices. We can only go off of what we see in forums and reports around the Internet. I recognize that many or the reports are 'retweeted' or reposted from single sources, making a problem appear more prevalent than it actually is. If we were talking about Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan, the term would be sensationalism.
The bottom line is I would never indicate to you that your problem is trivial. Its your problem and its important to you. Period... But in the same aspect, don't trivialize my point that there are many people without problems. This does not make your issue less important.
I have read virtually every post and poll here in this forum. I beg to differ. From my reading, for every How many people have a problem device poll there is, there is a poll that says, how many people do not have a problem device. Its this type or realization that helped make my choice to buy this device in the face of the reported problems.
My 5% number is an off the wall number. What ever industry standard is for a definition of a problem device, should be used. I simply do not know what that number is. But I bet 5% might be high. I also bet that the G2x did not hit that number. I bet that LG recognized a problem with the release and took steps to fix it. I bet that is why we see Temporarily Out of Stock on the TMO site. I bet they have figured out how to solve the problems and most of the problems are software based....or, they would not have stopped most of the replacements from going out. I bet the G2x is still and will be a defining device in the lines of the Nexus one.
If my statement in any way painted you as a whiner, I apologize. Certainly not my intention. But I do realize that people get tired of others saying they have problem free devices. Just as they get tired of people saying, they are on their 4th replacement. At best it should be a wash. To me...I wonder...why did my device turn up ok...and yours did not? To me that is a mystery. There are good devices out there...why the difference.
I used to work in Mobile Device support. I used to take great joy in working with my friends and their phones. If they have a problem, I'd give them steps to fix it...and just watch them do what they were supposed to do...and 9 out of 10 did not follow the steps I gave them. Does that mean they are wrong? Or my instructions were bad?
On the Dell Venue Pro forum I worked with a guy that had HUGE problems with his device. I had him send me his device when he was in a bricked state. I had his device working in 5 minutes. After a few hard resets, I was satisfied the device was ok. I used his device for 24hrs and did NOT experience a single problem. I sent it back him. Within 24hrs he was complaining. Why?? This was a device I had in my hand and actually used as my own ....and an hour in his hands there were problems???
does that mean he did something differently than I did? Does his body chemistry short out electronic signals? Is he an undercover alien that is incompatible with Dell Mobile devices?
Who knows...but my phone works...many phones work. If the number of bad phones was much higher than what I said, I guarantee the response by LG would be different.
No way is it just 5% bad, it HAS to be more.
My wife and I both have "bad" phones, and if the chance of getting a bad phone is 5% (random distribution), there was 0.25% chance of us both getting bad ones.
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I completely agree with you. But if it is really true that there are so many issues with the phone it seems to me quite incredible that they did not notice at least some of it before it went into stores.
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Makes you wonder doesn't it. Could they have possibly ignored all the issues? Is their testing standard, not catching the issues? Or of all the devices they tested, did the issues not show up?
First time to this forum I searched for an issue list. I went down the list. After reviewing the list, I bought my device anyway. My theory was, if the reboot issue was so prevalent, why was it not caught. The answer I came up with ...it was a bad lot.
Other issues I looked at:
-Battery Life: all phones today have this issue. Truth is, there are ways to make it better. There are virtually no way to make it great. When I charge my battery I want it to last all month. I'll accept till dinner time.
-Screen bleed: No idea what this issue. If I have to change the normal settings on my phone to find it...its not a problem to me. This is a personal decision.
-Overheating: First...its dual core. Second, every phone I've ever had has overheated. Pull the battery , start again...does it stop? For me...every time.
-Dust under the display: Man, I wear glasses. Life is a blur. I like big, large letters. I don't see dust if I fall down.
-REbooting: Every phone I have ever had has rebooted...at least once. Sometimes it shuts off. If it continues, I replace it. If it still continues, I calmly get the company to exchange the device. The best way to do this, is in person. In person and able to reproduce the problem for them. Faced with proof, they will almost always do what's right.
Even looking at this list, bought the device because I know there is no way that any reliable company misses that stuff. It had to be limited and it had to be contained. If you want to be it was a conspiracy....then no forum post can help you.
I have been dealing with this in the best possible way being patient and having hope that this update would fix all problems. but was i wrong. i feel like LG just released this update just because so many were nagging about it. i feel like LG is worse in their updates compared to samsung! and i thought they couldnt get worse. all i have to say to LG is HIRE OUR DEVS or GET YOUS TOGETHER!!!
NEVER BUYING ANOTHER LG Product again! (and i have had probems with their TVs... i should have known making the same mistake twice!)
feel free to vent!
LG did not release this update. There was no announcement or comment of any kind, someone just found it this morning. Official updates are OTA from the carrier.
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We know that this version is the one that is being tested by internal users. My guess is that they decided that they would get more and better testing if they quietly made that test build available to the enthusiast public. It's clearly not finished yet -- unchanged kernel, vanilla camera, GPS driver still screwed up -- so it couldn't be offered OTA to the mass consumer, but it will be picked up very quickly by most enthusiasts and tested much more thoroughly than it would be their internal cadre of guinea pigs. A quiet release like this also has the advantage of taking the wind out of the sails of those who were alleging that LG had no intention of ever updating the software. Seems like a win-win situation all around.
from the peopel i know that got OTA as an employee... they havent noticed a difference. but its all a waiting game now.
Still got a SOD and reboots which still leads me to think it is a hardware issue not software. Hopefully tmoble releases the official GB update soon and maybe it will be better.
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#neverforgot = Samsung Vibrant issue
#awwfucknotagain = LG G2x
So far I've been "meh" with this phone. I haven't done the new GB leak yet since now I'm waiting on all these dev's to cook up some of their debloated rom's.
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We know that this version is the one that is being tested by internal users. My guess is that they decided that they would get more and better testing if they quietly made that test build available to the enthusiast public. It's clearly not finished yet -- unchanged kernel, vanilla camera, GPS driver still screwed up -- so it couldn't be offered OTA to the mass consumer, but it will be picked up very quickly by most enthusiasts and tested much more thoroughly than it would be their internal cadre of guinea pigs. A quiet release like this also has the advantage of taking the wind out of the sails of those who were alleging that LG had no intention of ever updating the software. Seems like a win-win situation all around.
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prior to this update gps would never lock satellites on google maps. its still not speedy but it does work on my phone now.
so there is something that was changed. but its still not like my droid, instant.
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LG did not release this update. There was no announcement or comment of any kind, someone just found it this morning. Official updates are OTA from the carrier.
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Did LG not release it or did T-Mobile just not sign off on it? I think that LG rushed this out in response to all of the complaints. Either that or it was an accident. Who the hell knows. It's definitely still unfinished though. Better, but not perfect.
What I meant by "GPS driver still screwed up" is that it's clear that the data the driver is putting out is not what programs expect; GPS Test, for example, says that the S/N ratio of the satellites is supposed to be less than 100, and the values it's reporting are often over 200. It and GPS Status often show satellite positions that are below the horizon. It claims to be using AGPS data, but there's no way it can be doing so if it takes 1-2 minutes or more to get a fix; with the AGPS data it should be getting a "hot fix," i.e., 15 seconds or less, like you do when you use the GPS within a few minutes after its last fix. It obviously works "well enough" for Google Maps, etc., to use it, but it's clearly not "right."
Talked with a Motorola rep via support webchat who said that they "don't know" if an update for ICS will come to this phone. This is highly disappointing. Does anybody have any other information? I am considering returning it if they back out on it (as I am still within the return period). Maybe AT&T has a better answer?
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Talked with a Motorola rep via support webchat who said that they "don't know" if an update for ICS will come to this phone. This is highly disappointing. Does anybody have any other information? I am considering returning it if they back out on it (as I am still within the return period). Maybe AT&T has a better answer?
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Unfortunately no AT&T does not have a better answer, actually it is worse. I got the "We are working very hard to have ICS ready for all phones that have the capability, and we don't have any dates to reveal for any phones upgrade to ICS". I then also got the "We have 4 phones getting ready to be released in the next 60 days that will have ICS already on them".
I also asked around at corporate, and I can not get any of the people I work with there to give my any information at all on ICS one way or the other, for any phone.
Don't worry though ports are on the way, I know that both lfaber06 and I will be working to get a real port of it over ASAP. In fact he has a true pre-alpha version already posted this morning.
Jim
Major bummer, considering this phone is only about 2 months old. Either way, I love the phone and I'm keeping it for as long as its functional!
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big ach said:
Major bummer, considering this phone is only about 2 months old. Either way, I love the phone and I'm keeping it for as long as its functional!
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Same here, its a solid phone.
PeteSeiler2010 said:
Same here, its a solid phone.
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I just think it's too "plastic" (while it's still ... a kind of solid)...
If you think this phone is too plasticy...then your best bet would be an HTC phone. I think the Atrix 2 is very solid feeling.
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Talked with a Motorola rep via support webchat who said that they "don't know" if an update for ICS will come to this phone. This is highly disappointing. Does anybody have any other information? I am considering returning it if they back out on it (as I am still within the return period). Maybe AT&T has a better answer?
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Ok lets see if I have this straight
You want to return the Atrix 2 when they don't even have the ICS update for the Motorola Razor yet and it's guaranteed? Me, I'm waiting for the Atrix 2 and here is why.
Google states that phones that run 2.3 can run ICS and it's up to the manufacturer to push the upgrades out. What manufacturer is going to push the hardest to get their handsets running ICS
Motorola/Google hands down
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Ok lets see if I have this straight
You want to return the Atrix 2 when they don't even have the ICS update for the Motorola Razor yet and it's guaranteed? Me, I'm waiting for the Atrix 2 and here is why.
Google states that phones that run 2.3 can run ICS and it's up to the manufacturer to push the upgrades out. What manufacturer is going to push the hardest to get their handsets running ICS
Motorola/Google hands down
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Not so fast there.... you are forgetting AT&T is the carrier, and they HAVE to do the actual ROM build, MOTO will give them all of the needed firmware and drivers and such, but it is AT&T who actually does the final build and approval for the releases, what we get off the MOT dev sites, actually is a joint effort from both Moto and AT&T.
I have direct information that if the Atrix 2 gets an ICS build, and IF is the word here, it will not be right away.
Why? You will most likely ask. It is becuase they (Moto and AT&T) are more interested in "Selling" you another more expensive phone, with ICS already on it. Both MOTO and AT&T don't get anything by releasing a new version of the OS to your phone. Just because a Phone can run it, does not mean that they will make it happen. Don't wait for something that might or might not come. If that is the attitude then go get a phone that already has ICS on it, you will be much happier.
I have information that IF, this comes out it will be after June most likely, April or may possibly. This last sentence is unofficial information, the official info I got from my client is posted in the second post here.
Jim
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Not so fast there.... you are forgetting AT&T is the carrier, and they HAVE to do the actual ROM build, MOTO will give them all of the needed firmware and drivers and such, but it is AT&T who actually does the final build and approval for the releases, what we get off the MOT dev sites, actually is a joint effort from both Moto and AT&T.
I have direct information that if the Atrix 2 gets an ICS build, and IF is the word here, it will not be right away.
Why? You will most likely ask. It is becuase they (Moto and AT&T) are more interested in "Selling" you another more expensive phone, with ICS already on it. Both MOTO and AT&T don't get anything by releasing a new version of the OS to your phone. Just because a Phone can run it, does not mean that they will make it happen. Don't wait for something that might or might not come. If that is the attitude then go get a phone that already has ICS on it, you will be much happier.
I have information that IF, this comes out it will be after June most likely, April or may possibly. This last sentence is unofficial information, the official info I got from my client is posted in the second post here.
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I agree completely on the time frame. However unlike other releases this one is different for Google. They will press extremely hard and bend over backwards to help update every phone in the field they can. The why is extremely easy
This ICS build will allow Google to build for their tablet platform AND the phone platform. The more phones they convert the larger the base to attract developers. This is the first shot they have had to have a single operating system. If they update every phone that can run ICS in about a year most phones current in the lineup and still in the field will be running ICS. Most tablets will be running ICS. As for the carriers they will leap on board since Google is going to be doing the work for them. The more phones on one platform the easier it will be to support. It's truly a win/win
^ Grabs popcorn
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If Atrix 2 does get ICS, it will be a very long time before that happens, Motorola hasnt even released an update to 2.3 to fix all the damn bugs on the phone. Atrix 2 is the red headed step child.
Red-heads rock ... FYI ...
assuming the carpet matches the drapes
off-topic apologies... back to maintaining positive ICS thoughts...
From what I have read..it would seem that perhaps manufacturers and the "almighty goog" are fighting over device disk space with their proprietary interface bloatware and OS upgrades as well...hence the perpetual speak of "fragmentation" as well... too many differences and no commonality. To someone else's point, hopefully ICS can bring a closer point of unification.
shanghei said:
If Atrix 2 does get ICS, it will be a very long time before that happens, Motorola hasnt even released an update to 2.3 to fix all the damn bugs on the phone. Atrix 2 is the red headed step child.
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Interesting point well taken, but I'd have to as you this
Assuming you are the CEO of a carrier and you are presented with two paths and only have the time to pursue one course of action.
A) Put your programmers on fixing the current system and take them off upgrading as many phones as possible to ICS, even though the bugs with the phone are minor and don't impede actually using it as a phone.
B) Concentrate on moving forward with one platform so you can decrease support costs overall and get a big fat bonus
chose
shanghei said:
If Atrix 2 does get ICS, it will be a very long time before that happens, Motorola hasnt even released an update to 2.3 to fix all the damn bugs on the phone. Atrix 2 is the red headed step child.
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Long time or not, as long as it comes before my contract renewal date, I'll be happy
Considering this phone came out about two months ago, I will go ahead and assume that most of us just renewed our at&t contracts to get it... I will also assume that most of us have about two years before we can renew our phones so basically, there's no rush guys lol
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The biggest problem I see is that Google is in the process of buying Motorola. The issue is that during such buyouts, there are a lot of movement of people who work there. Usually a lot of instability, layoffs and/or management changes happen during this period. The end result will be that the Atrix 2 will be caught in the shuffle and so I don’t have know if ICS will ever come to this device. Motorola doesn’t even seem to care to address the many bugs as it is with this phone, much less care about ICS.
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Interesting point well taken, but I'd have to as you this
Assuming you are the CEO of a carrier and you are presented with two paths and only have the time to pursue one course of action.
A) Put your programmers on fixing the current system and take them off upgrading as many phones as possible to ICS, even though the bugs with the phone are minor and don't impede actually using it as a phone.
B) Concentrate on moving forward with one platform so you can decrease support costs overall and get a big fat bonus
chose
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It all depends on LOE. If the LOE is less than the cost to implement with newer handsets, then it will happen. If the LOE is more than the cost to implement ICS with all new phones, then it will not happen. Look AT&T has 4 different versions of the Iphone that all can run 5 different versions of IOS, and there is not a way to FORCE anyone on an older Iphone to upgrade, becuase there was not OTA until IOS 5.
Support is not a big issue for the carriers, because they really don't support the devices the manufactures do.
You need think way higher than just google and android in this equation and the fact that AT&T still has to support ANY handset (on their network) that has been sold through AT&T or Cingular since 3g rolled out. There are guys at corporate AT&T that still carry the first HTC Tytn phone (the first 3g phone on cingular / AT&T), because it was a beast for the time, and since it is still 3g, and works, AT&T has to provide support for it. Now are there updates from AT&T or HTC, no, but that is why this community is here. Those guys are all running some form of windows mobile 6 on it, so is it the latest, no, does it do the job, yes.
Again ICS might or might not come (at this point the LOE says no, most likely not), I can't spell it out for you any clearer than that or I will no longer have my current customer. I have way more information than I am letting on, that I can not release at this time.
Motorola has issued very few statements about devices that will be on the upgrade path to ICS and the ones that were stated are on Verizen and they havnt even been given a specific date as to when to expect the update.
AT&T has a very good record at getting updated to their devices and doing it in a timely manner compared to the other carriers. Look at the phones on Verizen and tell me how many are up to date and running Gingerbread 2.3.5 or higher, very few. Heck their famed Thunderbolt is still trying to get the Gingerbread update going. The OG Atrix recieved the Gingerbread update before 90% of all other phones had.
Im not confirming nor denying that we will get it but we have a very good chance considering AT&T's track record even though they are being tight lipped about things and I personally think we will. But hey I have been proven to be wrong also
So if Jim says May - mid summer I say that is acceptible in my books. Has anyone seen a PROVEN date as to the other devices yet? NO. We all just have to be patient and see how the events play out. Hope everyone has a good day!
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Motorola has issued very few statements about devices that will be on the upgrade path to ICS and the ones that were stated are on Verizen and they havnt even been given a specific date as to when to expect the update.
AT&T has a very good record at getting updated to their devices and doing it in a timely manner compared to the other carriers. Look at the phones on Verizen and tell me how many are up to date and running Gingerbread 2.3.5 or higher, very few. Heck their famed Thunderbolt is still trying to get the Gingerbread update going. The OG Atrix recieved the Gingerbread update before 90% of all other phones had.
Im not confirming nor denying that we will get it but we have a very good chance considering AT&T's track record even though they are being tight lipped about things and I personally think we will. But hey I have been proven to be wrong also
So if Jim says May - mid summer I say that is acceptible in my books. Has anyone seen a PROVEN date as to the other devices yet? NO. We all just have to be patient and see how the events play out. Hope everyone has a good day!
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That is exactly what I have been trying to get across, Thanks! I also want to note that the carriers are not the ones that really care about which OS a phone is on or if it is up to date, just that it does not harm their network.
AT&T is really trying to get phones updated as soon as they can, if it is a feasible LOE. And they do have a good track record of doing so.
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I just think it's too "plastic" (while it's still ... a kind of solid)...
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I want to know what everybody does with there phone's that it has to be built like a tank. The A2 seems pretty tough. The only phone I ever had that died was because my dog got it.
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I always had suspected that Samsung would infringe on my new phone, finally received evidence directly from Samsung so its undeniable now!
it's a setting you control. by design as specified by latest Android
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I always had suspected that Samsung would infringe on my new phone, finally received evidence directly from Samsung so its undeniable now!
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You should probably spend some time learning about Android 11 and up and the permissions. If you look, you will see this is an option YOU can control.
Don't blame Samsung for your lack of knowledge.
Start here:
Android 12 will automatically hibernate unused apps to free up space
Android 12 is introducing an app hibernation feature that removes temporary files of unused apps in order to free up space.
www.xda-developers.com
Since Pie and especially 11 onward Android is full of unpleasant surprises.
I would have it left on 10... I'm deliberately still running Pie on my 10+
i like getting home from work or using weekends spending the evening ticking boxes windows 10 style has always been a favorite of mine, phew windows xp was so boring, nothing to always fix, and thanks android 11 now I get to have all kinds of fun reading through litigation style setting the power that be keep implementing on MY device, kinda like buying a car and regularly functions change, causing annoying problems, (oh wait maybe updates never cause problems? )
so should we start updating automobiles for all that fun downtime and relaxing manual reading goodness?
nah window xp and note 10 is the way for me see
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I always had suspected that Samsung would infringe on my new phone, finally received evidence directly from Samsung so its undeniable now!
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yup.... I wont go on a rant (which means I will...) but this, along with other compromises like this have convinced me there needs to be a minor Revolution in handsets. I mean a device created remind you of the device next to it. Unfortunately I smashed my phone a few months ago and at an inopportune time was forced to choose a new one. I left the whole table open (barring how ridiculous). I chose a pixel 4XL. There were many factors ( mostly personal preferences), but in the end I saw the writing on the wall. Nothing impressed me. A brand new phone would be painful proper rooting. This left only the devices worked over by better individuals (xda members).
And when it came down to it if the bootloader couldn't be unlocked, it was a deal-breaker.
I think the last genuine phone for the average nerd was the Nexus 6.
.... Okay I vented .
I had the same issue in Android 12 with my new handset except only Google didn't tell me like Samsung told you. They just did it.
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yup.... I wont go on a rant (which means I will...) but this, along with other compromises like this have convinced me there needs to be a minor Revolution in handsets. I mean a device created remind you of the device next to it. Unfortunately I smashed my phone a few months ago and at an inopportune time was forced to choose a new one. I left the whole table open (barring how ridiculous). I chose a pixel 4XL. There were many factors ( mostly personal preferences), but in the end I saw the writing on the wall. Nothing impressed me. A brand new phone would be painful proper rooting. This left only the devices worked over by better individuals (xda members).
And when it came down to it if the bootloader couldn't be unlocked, it was a deal-breaker.
I think the last genuine phone for the average nerd was the Nexus 6.
.... Okay I vented .
I had the same issue in Android 12 are my new handset only Google tell me like Samsung told you. They just did it.
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Android and Samsung are a mess now. I got my 2nd new N10+ less a year ago. Both are stock running on 9 and 10. Even though I disable firmware updates/upgrades I still fight with Samsung apps like Wearables for the Buds+.
It's updates and performance zenithed about a year ago, everything since just degrades it, including the audio. I roll it back but it wants to force update. Fighting with it now, again*.
Samsung hasn't released anything near as good since the N10+, they've lost their minds. Fk em.
Android reached their zenith at 9, scoped storage sucks and isn't needed. This N10+ running on 9 has no issues other than what Samsung continues to screw with
I use whatever works and comes in handy even if it's 3 years old. That goes for hardware and firmware... I don't give a rat's arse about having the newest if it isn't a well balanced, clean running improvement.
* edit, fixed. Uninstalled all Buds and Wearables updates, reinstalled older saved versions, after firewall blocking specific update UIDs. Old UI and the sound volume/Q restored.
Agreed, both companies have lost their minds, I will probably be sane someday with a flip phone and leave all the powers that be behind soon.
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You should probably spend some time learning about Android 11 and up and the permissions. If you look, you will see this is an option YOU can control.
Don't blame Samsung for your lack of knowledge.
Start here:
Android 12 will automatically hibernate unused apps to free up space
Android 12 is introducing an app hibernation feature that removes temporary files of unused apps in order to free up space.
www.xda-developers.com
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I completely understand what your saying, I just think phone owners can spend free time if they chose to just use the phone and be cool, not need to get a huge secrets and tips book like for windows 7 and now 1 of those books for each new phones because of all the absurd changes that went along with scraping the world best os xp and note 3 in my option. Companies lost it to long ago, can't do a make over on a UI without all kinda of restrictions oh I meant goodness. So long gone are the super chill days, it's time to become a mini tech support technician when you get home from work
This is nothing malicious, it's simply an Android feature to protect you.
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This is nothing malicious, it's simply an Android feature to protect you.
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Lol, recent history is showing that for some things being unprotected is safer
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Android and Samsung are a mess now. I got my 2nd new N10+ less a year ago. Both are stock running on 9 and 10. Even though I disable firmware updates/upgrades I still fight with Samsung apps like Wearables for the Buds+.
It's updates and performance zenithed about a year ago, everything since just degrades it, including the audio. I roll it back but it wants to force update. Fighting with it now, again*.
Samsung hasn't released anything near as good since the N10+, they've lost their minds. Fk em.
Android reached their zenith at 9, scoped storage sucks and isn't needed. This N10+ running on 9 has no issues other than what Samsung continues to screw with
I use whatever works and comes in handy even if it's 3 years old. That goes for hardware and firmware... I don't give a rat's arse about having the newest if it isn't a well balanced, clean running improvement.
* edit, fixed. Uninstalled all Buds and Wearables updates, reinstalled older saved versions, after firewall blocking specific update UIDs. Old UI and the sound volume/Q restored.
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One of the few features of Samsung that I like is that of you keep your Samsung account and Google account sperated (not sure if this is actually necessary) and your phone is compromised you may have a 2nd chance at redemption... Samsung seems to give more hardware for the $ tho.....
But that makes you that much more of their product in my opinion....
I do miss my note pen sometimes tho
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One of the few features of Samsung that I like is that of you keep your Samsung account and Google account sperated (not sure if this is actually necessary) and your phone is compromised you may have a 2nd chance at redemption... Samsung seems to give more hardware for the $ tho.....
But that makes you that much more of their product in my opinion....
I do miss my note pen sometimes tho
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I never set a lock on the phone and make sure I have the Google account password impossibly long, complex and etched in stone.
Find my Device is always disabled.
No social media apps on the phone, wifi always disabled.
Lol, being a Google product sucks. Zero trust in the ruling elites; they've weaponized our devices along with most everything else.
The spen is very useful when you need it. In the N10+ it just nests, protected, until it's needed. Some things can't be done easily or at all without it. Smart select rocks.