Just got the pro and have some questions about the power behavior. Does it behave like a laptop where after a certain amount of time it hibernates? What are the optimal settings to save battery say I carry it around all day and don't want the power draining while its sleeping. Sometimes I hit th epower button and it turns right on, sometimes the Surface splash screen comes on and it takes a little longer to turn on.
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It behaves exactly how you set it in the Windows power configuration tools... which by default is similar to a laptop, yes. Surface Pro is basically just a standard Windows portable computer (such as a laptop) with a touchscreen and a really nice chassis. Treat it like one.
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It behaves exactly how you set it in the Windows power configuration tools... which by default is similar to a laptop, yes. Surface Pro is basically just a standard Windows portable computer (such as a laptop) with a touchscreen and a really nice chassis. Treat it like one.
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So it is not really something to use as a tablet, where you are constantly turning it on and off as you would an ipad? If I am going to treat it like a laptop then it's more like turn it on to use, and leave it running? Because I certainly would not wake and put my laptop to sleep as I would a tablet.
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So it is not really something to use as a tablet, where you are constantly turning it on and off as you would an ipad? If I am going to treat it like a laptop then it's more like turn it on to use, and leave it running? Because I certainly would not wake and put my laptop to sleep as I would a tablet.
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If you go into the power settings you can set the power button on the surface (it is a power button btw) to hibernate or sleep instead. Windows 8 resumes from sleep near instantaneously (like a tablet) or from hibernate within a matter of a second or 2.
Plunging in and out of hibernate wont do it any harm. You can then just use the shutdown option already on the system for when you want to shut down normally.
Sleep makes more sense than hibernate for this use; even with solid-state storage resuming from hibernate does take a bit of time. Sleep, ever since Win7, has been instant for me on modern hardware. I see no notable difference in wake-from-sleep times between my phone, my (RT) tablet, my (x86 Win7) laptop, and my Win8 desktop.
The main reasons one would use hibernate instead of sleep are either if you aren't going to be using the machine for a day or two (hibernate draws no power, sleep still uses a tiny bit) or if you use BitLocker and need the device to be secure against DMA attacks (in sleep mode, it's possible to pull the storage decryption keys out of memory with the right hardware; in hibernate those keys are wiped and can't be recovered by an attacker.
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Excuse me I'm almost suicidal.
I hold the two keys down that bring up the hardware control panel, I turn off the mobile phone, bluetooth, wifi, and activesync, I open the task manager and stop any active processes, I turn my xda off (at least I think I do) and BEHOLD in just a few short minutes the stinking thing turns itself back on again, and stays on.
My PC informs me it has an activesync connection yet my hardware panel says its turned off, I try move some files around and sure enough I can gain access to my memory card, I run task manager and despite the hardware panel telling me activesync is not working the task manager knows different.
Not only has activestink decided its gonna work even though I've told it not to I HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION! , talk about a security risk.
WTF is in control of this pile of junk, me or the hardware/software.
Please tell me there is a fix for this, when I turn something off I expect it to stay turned off (completely) until I turn it back on again.
Now if you don't mind I'm going to lay down and have a nervous break down.
Dude you really need to chill.
These things do require some potions .
I do not know the exec in person but all HTC and most other WM 5 devices shut down completely when you hold the "standby" button for 10 seconds or more. (On the exec i believe it is a small round metal color button on one of the sides.)
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Dude you really need to chill.
These things do require some potions .
I do not know the exec in person but all HTC and most other WM 5 devices shut down completely when you hold the "standby" button for 10 seconds or more. (On the exec i believe it is a small round metal color button on one of the sides.)
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Hi'
Been there, pressed that, still turns itself back on, even tried a factory reset and it still does it.
Probably micro$oft being insane again.
Perhaps buying a device with a Microsoft OS was not the right choice if you think they are insane?
The Universal doesn't have the full off feature as some other devices do, and if you use pushmail solutions, it will sometimes turn itself on if you have the screen open.
It also does this on a few other devices.
Using the device lock option on the doday screen prevents the problem, there may be other fixes by now, but that, or closing the screen are the simplest.
Some other today plugins, I forget the name, will give you an auto lock option when you press the power.
That said though, I use pushmail, and mine doesn't come on that I have noticed, but my Wizard does unless I lock it.
How exactly do you power down a Universal other than removing the battery? The "power" button only dims or switches off the display. Is there a way to make it really switch off the device?
PDA's running Windows Mobile are not designed to be powered off.
You can turn off all radio (wireless, GSM, BT), you can turn off the screen, but you can't actually turn off the device itself.
This is to keep your tasks and calendar running, otherwise it wouldn't make sense, as you could forget to turn on your device to be altered to a scheduled event.
But yes, it can be a pain. In my case, I own several phones running Windows Mobile and what I do is to periodically recharge them.
Failing to do so could in my opinion harm the built-in battery designed to keep essential data alive, when you swap your battery.
If you want to store your device for a long period (months or years), you should consider removing the main battery. Still you can suffer from a leaking internal battery. Don't quote me on this, though.
I prefer to recharge unused devices every month at least.
Cheers,
vma
Incorrect. PDAs running WM can be switched off
and you can turn the entire device off. There are ROMs that include the power off option that will turn the device off completely. I think the proggie is called PC Shut Off, have to find the exact name. I have the shut off function on my Elf and Wizard shuts off just fine. You get a warning that you may lose any unsaved info etc.
For longer storage options take the battery out.
Who wants to turn off their Uni!!!?
I have never turned off in 4 years, never!
If I dont want to recieve a call: Ignore
If I dont wanna hear sound: mute
If I dont want to have any comms on: I turn it off
Just my opinion...
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I have owned and still own several WM devices. The Uni remains the only one I cannot power down. When you press and hold the power button on the Touch Pro, it powers down after a prompt. The same with Advantage, and the TyTN 2, all of which I still own. Indeed, the Uni is the only WM device I have used (and still use) which uses what should be the power-down function to dim the display - a totally useless function in my view!
By the way, on many flights, you are told to completely switch off all electronic devices - not just put them on "flight" mode, during take-off and landing. With a Uni, how do you comply?
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By the way, on many flights, you are told to completely switch off all electronic devices - not just put them on "flight" mode, during take-off and landing. With a Uni, how do you comply?
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I simply turn off all comms and push the off button! that´s it
And any plane has going down doing this, and I travel a lot!
Nothing happens believe me
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@enigma1nz I think you mean psShutXP. I tested it. When I use the option "Turn off" the device is in normal "sleep-mode".
Powering down the Universal
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I simply turn off all comms and push the off button! that´s it
And any plane has going down doing this, and I travel a lot!
Nothing happens believe me
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Many of us know that these days planes do not crash because there is a mobile phone that is not switched off. But I am talking about compliance with instructions. I still believe it is a design flaw in the Universal. I have been hoping someone would cook a ROM that makes the power button to really power down, but it seems none as yet.
Earlier devices doesn't support complete power off because of the HW design. But you can do it in latest devices.
Just think about the power supply model of AT and ATX PC's...
I've searched for this one but can't find any mention of it...
I'm finally switching back to an o2 Serra / Touch Pro after they finally admitted to having some in stock again! (Not through sales channels though, and it took a five page letter complaining about their Customer Service!).
Anyway, over the last 3 months I've had to make do with an SE xPeria X1.
The one thing about the X1 (other than the WVGA screen) that I preferred with the X1 was that you could hit the power button to turn the screen off and ActiveSync (and therefore MyMobiler) would stay connected. Nice!
Is there any way to make the Touch Pro do the same?
Cheers,
FM
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I've searched for this one but can't find any mention of it...
I'm finally switching back to an o2 Serra / Touch Pro after they finally admitted to having some in stock again! (Not through sales channels though, and it took a five page letter complaining about their Customer Service!).
Anyway, over the last 3 months I've had to make do with an SE xPeria X1.
The one thing about the X1 (other than the WVGA screen) that I preferred with the X1 was that you could hit the power button to turn the screen off and ActiveSync (and therefore MyMobiler) would stay connected. Nice!
Is there any way to make the Touch Pro do the same?
Cheers,
FM
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Find a program that only shuts the screen off like HandyMenu.
The power button puts the phone in standby.
I use Pocket controller to view the phone on my PC and use Haandy Menu to turn off the screen.
Is there much difference in power consumption between standby and just screen off?
What I'm thinking is, is it a good idea to change the function of the power button (I know there are tools to do that) to only switch off the screen in normal use as well or am I going to just make the short battery life more of an issue?
Cheers,
FM
I might have missed the point here, but why would you only want to turn the screen off in normal use?
I can understand not wanting the screen on (in line of sight) if its in a cradle syncing all day, but unless you're wanting to have programs running & working all day (gps mapping something i guess) i cant see any advantage.
Finally, i'm not sure if you can unmap the power button, you can almost certainly re-map it, but that may not remove the original function (i cant test today, mine's off for repair).
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The one thing about the X1 (other than the WVGA screen) that I preferred with the X1 was that you could hit the power button to turn the screen off and ActiveSync (and therefore MyMobiler) would stay connected. Nice!
Is there any way to make the Touch Pro do the same?
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I've often wondered the same thing. My phone sits on ActiveSync all day at work with the screen un-necessarily on. There has to be a fix other than a paid application...
Essentially I'd like to replicate the power button function of the SE X1 on the Touch Pro.
The X1 seems to only power off the screen rather than going into standby - ie all apps keep running, bluetooth and wifi stay connected etc.
This means that when the phone is connected using MyMobiler or similar the screen can be off as I am displaying the screen contents on my PC screen.
Rather than having a seperate function to switch the screen off (I'm going to try EdgeWat PocketPC Utils for that), it would be nice if the power button could be mapped to just switch the screen off.
My concern is that if I swap the functionality of the power button (their do seem to be a few apps that allow you to re-assign the power button funtion) I won't just be using it this way when the phone is connected to a PC, I will ALWAYS be just switching the screen off. So, when I am out and about would doing this cause a big increase in battery drain?
-FM
And I would guess this functionality must be possible in software as it seem the Pandora client does it when you are running it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534319&page=7
-FM
Thank to lloydo in Halite thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44167211&postcount=18
As we know. Windows RT just suspend desktop program while it in sleep mode. Then we have to turn screen on all time that we running desktop program even some program favor to run when screen off (like Halite, Free Download Manager, CoolPlayer, TightVNC server or listen Youtube with desktop Internet Explorer). But Thank for lloydo help. Now we can turn screen off by a little config and flip a Surface RT cover.
I made a .bat file that done the config. What you have to do is run it and flip the cover.
This what each .bat file will do
- Always-on mode - This one turn Always-on mode on and pause. Press anykey afterthat to turn it off. Leave the window open to notice you Always-on mode is still turned on.
- start Always-on mode - This one only turn Always-on mode on and exit. If you want to turn if off you need the next file. (or manual config)
- stop Always-on mode - This one use for turn Always-on mode off.
To make sure it no risk. I will show the step in .bat file to config when turn on.
- Start Presentation mode (made device never goto sleep after a time)
- Change what closing the lid does to "Do nothing" for both AC and DC (made device not sleep when flip the cover. you can delete DC line if you want)
- Re-activate power plan (made device apply change in 2nd step)
And when turn if off
- Change what closing the lid does to "Sleep" for both AC and DC (you can delete DC line if you want)
- Re-activate power plan
- Stop Presentation mode
Currently this were only confirm on Surface RT but you can try it on other device (that can turn screen off with cover or lid) without risk. Please confirm this work if you try on other device.
Keen to try this - looks useful.
shame im at work at the mo
Hisoft -- great job! I tried making a separate power profile to do the same thing but switching between them was a pain. This works much better, thanks!
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Hisoft -- great job! I tried making a separate power profile to do the same thing but switching between them was a pain. This works much better, thanks!
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Yeah, I have a same problem on my laptop with 3 power profile (that frequently use). It not only when I have to switching between them, but also for when I have to change something I have to do it and do it again for all profile.
Hey thank you soo much for sharing this
I first was afraid of, that the Screen would be still on when closing lid, and therefore the battery drain would be horrorable, But doing this is INDEED what I needed: Playing Music with "CoolPlayer" and then Close the cover: Music is still plaýing and the Screen is off!
Wonderful!
Great job
looks useful
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Tank you Guy ! I love This Tools for my downloads...
Does this also work on Windows 8?
When my htpc screen locks all the apps go into powersafe mode. So for example the sound from IE stops playing.
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Does this also work on Windows 8?
When my htpc screen locks all the apps go into powersafe mode. So for example the sound from IE stops playing.
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Sure. This can work on Windows 8, 8.1, RT and RT 8.1. Maybe also on Windows Vista and 7 but I don't have one for test.
I have the SP 1st Gen. This is my second SP, after I returned the 1st one which was crushing all the time. The new one is working as expected, until it sleeps. Every time I let it sleep and then come back to work on it (say 2 hours later), I always have to log in and start from scratch because, alas, instead of sleeping the SP was actually off (I let the SP sleep in one of 3 ways (1) let it sit there on battery and it eventually sleeps, (2) close the Type Cover, (3) press the power button. I set my battery profile to hibernate after pressing power button or after a set number of minutes). No matter what method of sleeping, I find that all my programs have been closed, Word or Powerpoint have some "recovered" documents, etc. I have about 14GB free space at the moment and I'd assume that there is enough space to hibernate, but that apparently isn't happening. All my updates are current. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
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I have the SP 1st Gen. This is my second SP, after I returned the 1st one which was crushing all the time. The new one is working as expected, until it sleeps. Every time I let it sleep and then come back to work on it (say 2 hours later), I always have to log in and start from scratch because, alas, instead of sleeping the SP was actually off (I let the SP sleep in one of 3 ways (1) let it sit there on battery and it eventually sleeps, (2) close the Type Cover, (3) press the power button. I set my battery profile to hibernate after pressing power button or after a set number of minutes). No matter what method of sleeping, I find that all my programs have been closed, Word or Powerpoint have some "recovered" documents, etc. I have about 14GB free space at the moment and I'd assume that there is enough space to hibernate, but that apparently isn't happening. All my updates are current. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
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I had a similar problem, that went away once I just disabled hibernate completely. Just use sleep, it barely uses battery and doesn't crash all the time.