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[Q] Update Applications from Market?

This may be a dumb question, but I haven't been able to figure it out for the life of me. On the transformer, is there a way to manually search for application updates in the market? I know on my Captivate running Froyo that I just open Market, Hit Menu and choose My Apps that I get a listing of What's Installed and what updates are available. I noticed that I had an update available on my phone, but when I go into My Apps on Android I've never seen an update available for any of the apps yet. Just wanted to see if there was a way to force it. I thought about Clearing Market Data under applications which is Easy in Froyo, but Don't know how smoothly that would go on Honeycomb.

crowboy164 said:
This may be a dumb question, but I haven't been able to figure it out for the life of me. On the transformer, is there a way to manually search for application updates in the market? I know on my Captivate running Froyo that I just open Market, Hit Menu and choose My Apps that I get a listing of What's Installed and what updates are available. I noticed that I had an update available on my phone, but when I go into My Apps on Android I've never seen an update available for any of the apps yet. Just wanted to see if there was a way to force it. I thought about Clearing Market Data under applications which is Easy in Froyo, but Don't know how smoothly that would go on Honeycomb.
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when you go into the market and choose my apps, any of the apps that have an update available should show up above the "installed apps"

crowboy164 said:
I noticed that I had an update available on my phone, but when I go into My Apps on Android I've never seen an update available for any of the apps yet.
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Maybe some of the apps are not updated for the tablet. The devs can decide which OS the apps (and the updates) will support. But as the previous poster stated, all updates should be listed on top of your installed apps in "My Apps".

error while downloading apps from google play

Hi, guys, need help here.
After I updated apps from the play store, I tried to download another app. But mysteriously, an error occured. It says: ***(app name) could not be downloaded due to an error; error retrieving information from server [RPC:AEC:0]. Then I tried several other apps, and this error occured every time.
Has anyone gotten this before? Need a solution here. Many thanks!

Did everything work before? Were u stock? If u were on different ROM, which one?
What ROM is happening on? Maybe put this question in that ROMs thread since it could be something to do with DPI of that ROM.
But b4 that u should at the minimum reflash gapps.
I would start over... clean wipe and reflash.... but that's just me. It normally fixes errors that are hard to fix.
Good luck
Vs Nexus S 4G

adrianyu said:
Hi, guys, need help here.
After I updated apps from the play store, I tried to download another app. But mysteriously, an error occured. It says: ***(app name) could not be downloaded due to an error; error retrieving information from server [RPC:AEC:0]. Then I tried several other apps, and this error occured every time.
Has anyone gotten this before? Need a solution here. Many thanks!
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clear market data in settings/apps

adrianyu said:
Hi, guys, need help here.
After I updated apps from the play store, I tried to download another app. But mysteriously, an error occured. It says: ***(app name) could not be downloaded due to an error; error retrieving information from server [RPC:AEC:0]. Then I tried several other apps, and this error occured every time.
Has anyone gotten this before? Need a solution here. Many thanks!
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the same thing happened to me and what i did to solve the problem was replace the play store

Problem solved! I first cleaned up the cache of the play app, didn't work. Then I uninstalled the update, did work either. However after I deleted my google account and re-logged in, it worked perfectly. Anyway, thanks for the advices.

Thank you Adrianyu
adrianyu said:
Problem solved! I first cleaned up the cache of the play app, didn't work. Then I uninstalled the update, did work either. However after I deleted my google account and re-logged in, it worked perfectly. Anyway, thanks for the advices.
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Removing Google Account and putting it back in solved the problem. As well as clearing our the data in the Play Store app.

mixtapes08 said:
clear market data in settings/apps
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Salamat!

Yes ,did factory restore it worked.
By the way i`ma on NexusHD2-ICS-4.0.4-CM9-HWA V2.5 ,with my Leo .

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Or another way you could solve that is that you could download apps from the Play Store but from the web browser.

I have the same problem. Ive tried to reboot, remove cache and data, uninstall the latest version of play store, logged in with another google account in play store and then with my regular account again and nothing works. really annoying to not be able to update or install apps... someone said "delete your google acc", but idk how to with JB. Im on a rooted nexus s I9023 with stock 4.1.1 and kernel. sorry for beeing a noob and i really hope someone can help me. thanks in advance
edit: nvm i solved it

same problem here, solved with delete and readd my google account. thanks to all

adrianyu said:
Problem solved! I first cleaned up the cache of the play app, didn't work. Then I uninstalled the update, did work either. However after I deleted my google account and re-logged in, it worked perfectly. Anyway, thanks for the advices.
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How do you "delete your google account"? Im sitting here in settings and just punching myself in the face because I know it's obvious, but I cannot for the LIFE of me find it! Sorry guys...

parkerdjohnson said:
How do you "delete your google account"? Im sitting here in settings and just punching myself in the face because I know it's obvious, but I cannot for the LIFE of me find it! Sorry guys...
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In settings, Google, click your account, then in the drop down menu in the top right corner remove account. That is how I did it anyway.

UslessSniper001 said:
Or another way you could solve that is that you could download apps from the Play Store but from the web browser.
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lol, that is like putting tape over the "Check Engine" light on a car, because you don't want to fix it.
It's no solution at all.
Anyway, @OP, thanks, I had this problem too and I removed my google account and re-added, and Play Store works fine now.

Same issue
Hey guys:
Follow all your recommendations at straight line, but (Samsung Skyrocket) my phone keep with the same trouble.
Stock ROM, ICS, many "acquired" apps. But bought apps before from the store without any issue, and now I can't.
Any other advice that comes to your minds? Please and thanks in advance.

I was running around in circles and getting nowhere...until I did this (you must complete the full list)
Go to settings
Tap “Apps” (in left menu)
Tap “All” (last tab on top right hand side)
Scroll until you find “Google Play Store”. Tap it.
Tap “Force Stop”, tap “OK”, tap “Clear data” and if possible (but it might be disabled) tap “Clear cache”.
Tap the back button to get the list of apps again.
Scroll until you find “Google Service Framework”. Tap it.
Tap “Force Stop”, tap “OK”, tap “Clear data” and if possible (but it might be disabled) tap “Clear cache”.
Now reboot your device.
Good luck...

koj012 said:
I was running around in circles and getting nowhere...until I did this (you must complete the full list)
Go to settings
Tap “Apps” (in left menu)
Tap “All” (last tab on top right hand side)
Scroll until you find “Google Play Store”. Tap it.
Tap “Force Stop”, tap “OK”, tap “Clear data” and if possible (but it might be disabled) tap “Clear cache”.
Tap the back button to get the list of apps again.
Scroll until you find “Google Service Framework”. Tap it.
Tap “Force Stop”, tap “OK”, tap “Clear data” and if possible (but it might be disabled) tap “Clear cache”.
Now reboot your device.
Good luck...
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just a FYI, when you "Clear data," it also clears the cache. I am 99% positive of that.
At least on ICS/JB, maybe on GB it's different.. not positive about GB.

All fine now but I have to erase all the PS data, erase phone account, clear all data a FS all Google appps and then start all over. With that, all is working for me perfectly.
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Deleting account worked
kaneelias said:
In settings, Google, click your account, then in the drop down menu in the top right corner remove account. That is how I did it anyway.
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Just loaded Jelly Bean Factory's CM10 ROM on my Inspire 4G. Had the same issue. Deleting account and then signing in again worked for me also. Be aware though, some of you may not have the drop-down menu mentioned. Go to Settings, Google, your account, then whatever menu key your device has. Mine says "Remove Account", yours should say something similar.
Thanks for all the help! I was getting a bit concerned.

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S1cK94 said:
same problem here, solved with delete and readd my google account. thanks to all
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I found that Google play simply hadn't updated, I found the latest Apk and installed that. None of your suggestions worked on my nook.

[Q] New feature ? Play Store re-installed all my apps

Hi all,
I've installed custom ROMs many times, and always used Titanium Backup (Pro) to re-install all my apps and settings automatically.
I was suprised today after installing PAC-ROM 22.1.0 (Jelly Bean 4.2.2) to have the Play Store automatically re-install all my apps. I did not have to use Titanium this time...
Is that a new feature from 4.2.2 ? Or from the Play Store itself ?
Thanks for your thoughts
regards

No google store is restoring your last installed apps free not quite sure how many apps are being installed. Figure around last 60 apps. I wish they wouldn't i test lots of apps. I would say i get about 20 junk apps installed every time

aymelis said:
Hi all,
I've installed custom ROMs many times, and always used Titanium Backup (Pro) to re-install all my apps and settings automatically.
I was suprised today after installing PAC-ROM 22.1.0 (Jelly Bean 4.2.2) to have the Play Store automatically re-install all my apps. I did not have to use Titanium this time...
Is that a new feature from 4.2.2 ? Or from the Play Store itself ?
Thanks for your thoughts
regards
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It's an option that you enable or disable when setting up a Google account on a device.

shinobisoft said:
It's an option that you enable or disable when setting up a Google account on a device.
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What is quoted below is directly from Google play store! So how did you come to your conclusion?
Permanently removing uninstalled apps
At this time, there is no way to permanently delete or remove apps from the Google Play website (My Orders/My Android Apps) or from the Google Play Store app (My Apps) that you’ve previously downloaded but have since uninstalled.
Uninstalling apps using the Google Play website
To uninstall apps from play.google.com, simply visit the My Android Apps section. Click on your desired device, then click the trash can icon (to the left of the INSTALLED button) next to the app you'd like to uninstall. Click UNINSTALL to confirm.
Sent from my Nexus 4

Some apk's of the playstore in gapps packages have auto restore where, as someone stated earlier, youre most recently installed apps are reinstalled. In some cases all of them. Its usually just something the dev who created the gapps package puts together. Ive never heard of it being an option in google settings.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda premium

culaterout said:
What is quoted below is directly from Google play store! So how did you come to your conclusion?
Permanently removing uninstalled apps
At this time, there is no way to permanently delete or remove apps from the Google Play website (My Orders/My Android Apps) or from the Google Play Store app (My Apps) that you’ve previously downloaded but have since uninstalled.
Uninstalling apps using the Google Play website
To uninstall apps from play.google.com, simply visit the My Android Apps section. Click on your desired device, then click the trash can icon (to the left of the INSTALLED button) next to the app you'd like to uninstall. Click UNINSTALL to confirm.
Sent from my Nexus 4
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First of all, the OP is not asking how to uninstall apps via Play Store. My conclusion is from experience. Flashing many ROMs and having to setup my google account with every new ROM. After entering your Google username and password you are prompted by a checkbox that asks to keep this device backed up on google. Enabling it causes the behaviour the OP is reporting.
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sob372 said:
Some apk's of the playstore in gapps packages have auto restore where, as someone stated earlier, youre most recently installed apps are reinstalled. In some cases all of them. Its usually just something the dev who created the gapps package puts together. Ive never heard of it being an option in google settings.
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I never said it was an option in google settings. I said it was an option presented when setting up your google account on a device.

shinobisoft said:
First of all, the OP is not asking how to uninstall apps via Play Store. My conclusion is from experience. Flashing many ROMs and having to setup my google account with every new ROM. After entering your Google username and password you are prompted by a checkbox that asks to keep this device backed up on google. Enabling it causes the behaviour the OP is reporting.
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I never said it was an option in google settings. I said it was an option presented when setting up your google account on a device.
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Understood what you said hoping you knew of option to stop apps from reinstalling after google account was already setup!
I guess i should have asked in a question. Did not mean to get you on defensive. My Second android phone was hoping that google by now would have seen these pitfalls in reinstallion of apps and customers need to experiment.
I wish google would get its act together realize 90% of apps i dont want are free in the first place. Its annoying to see free apps being reinstalled. I could understand paid apps being reinstalled but free apps come on Google Play Store!
But thanks for the reply!

culaterout said:
Understood what you said hoping you knew of option to stop apps from reinstalling after google account was already setup!
I guess i should have asked in a question. Did not mean to get you on defensive. My Second android phone was hoping that google by now would have seen these pitfalls in reinstallion of apps and customers need to experiment.
I wish google would get its act together realize 90% of apps i dont want are free in the first place. Its annoying to see free apps being reinstalled. I could understand paid apps being reinstalled but free apps come on Google Play Store!
But thanks for the reply!
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Unfortunately I don't know how to stop the reinstallation, sorry. I don't normally use that feature anyways. Google seems to be getting too big for their britches too. As for me being on the defensive, it's all good .

shinobisoft said:
Unfortunately I don't know how to stop the reinstallation, sorry. I don't normally use that feature anyways. Google seems to be getting too big for their britches too. As for me being on the defensive, it's all good .
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I've probably misunderstood the issue here but if you want to stop the restoration of apps on each new ROM flash then just go to settings>backup & restore and uncheck the boxes for keeping the phone backed up and restoring the phone each time. If you mean that you want it only to install the paid apps and not free apps then I have no clue, sorry.
EDIT: whoops, quoted the wrong person.

shinobisoft said:
Flashing many ROMs and having to setup my google account with every new ROM. After entering your Google username and password you are prompted by a checkbox that asks to keep this device backed up on google.
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Agreed, same experience so far... I always answer yes/ok
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Enabling it causes the behaviour the OP is reporting.
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However, as i said, it's the first time my apps get re-installed by themselves. Anyways, does this mean that Titanium Backup became obsolete ?
Btw, since play store v3.9 or so, one can remove the apps from the account (except he paid ones). One can even select as many apps as required and remove them all at once. Go to my applications>all apps.
Regards

I tell you one thing: it's never worked well. If I try to move over onto WiFi so that my battery won't be violated and it won't be downloading for half a day it always stops reloading them and it won't work again. This would be a great feature if it worked well.

Weird issue after restoring apps with TiBU

Basically I have backups for about 130 different apps, games, etc. After I setup my ROM (Mahdi latest update) I used titanium backup pro to batch restore the apps. Just the apps, no data. So I was trying out xposed framework and saw instagram downloader. I thought it sounded cool so I set it up and installed it. I tried testing it by logging into instagram and trying to save a photo. Instagram crashed (fc) right off the bat. So I went back to the module page and saw the latest update was to make it compatible with instagram v5.1.4. So I went to play store and saw the version of the latest instagram version... 5.1.4. Here's the weird part. It only had 2 options. Open and uninstall, which led me to believe it was up to date. So I went to settings/apps/ instagram and I was running version 5.0.8. Back to play store and still no option to update. I had to uninstall it and install it back again to get the correct version.
Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else? Currently going through all of my user applications and manually matching the app info version with play store version to see if any more are facing the same issue. This is my first issue using titanium on the phone so far (that I know about)

Similar to this today?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2723822
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I'd say not really. That seems to be a sync issue. Just didn't recognize the purchase on the phone. Thanks for your reply, but I'll try to explain a little better.
Normally when you have an outdated app installed that is on the play store, if you visit that apps page on the play store you will (normally) see 2 options. Update or uninstall if I'm not mistaken. Or open and update. One of the 2. My issue is that after restoring instagram from titanium backup, the play store saw it as up to date. There was no option anywhere in the play store to update the application which was on 5.0.8. Correct version being 5.1.4. So because it saw it as updated for whatever reason I couldn't update it to correct version. I had to uninstall it and install it again to get the correct version.
So essentially;
Check instagram on play store to see if update is available for it. Says there is none and that all of my apps are up to date. Go to app settings and see instagram isn't really up to date. Go back to play store to confirm there is no update. There is no option to do so (play store thinks app is fully updated). Must uninstall it and when I install again it is up to date.
So naturally if it didn't recognize an update for one of my apps I'm assuming there's more. I always leave auto sync on, but I'll see if there was a sync error. I don't think that's it, however. Probably going to take this up in the tibu thread as well.

the play store doesnt see if you need updates right away, it can time time. when apps are released, one person can get/see an update a day or two after another, even though the app is updated for everyone. plus, if you just restored, the play store would have to sync first before you saw it as new.

simms22 said:
the play store doesnt see if you need updates right away, it can time time. when apps are released, one person can get/see an update a day or two after another, even though the app is updated for everyone. plus, if you just restored, the play store would have to sync first before you saw it as new.
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The thing is the update(instagram) was released 9 days ago. I know updates take a few hours to push to the public after a developer releases it. I just tried to replicate it again by uninstalling it and restoring from titanium. Same issue. I'd had all my apps installed since the 13th. The day the latest mahdi update came out. It should have caught it in 6 days. :/
Still stumped.

Besides if that was the case that the update hadn't been pushed to the play store yet, it would still show 5. 0. 8. Not the new 5. 1. 4

RoyJ said:
Besides if that was the case that the update hadn't been pushed to the play store yet, it would still show 5. 0. 8. Not the new 5. 1. 4
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Uninstall it then reinstall it from play store. You should have the latest then
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jd1639 said:
Uninstall it then reinstall it from play store. You should have the latest then
Sent from my Nexus 5
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If you read my OP that's exactly how I got it up to date....twice :facepalm:
I'm saying my issue is that the play store has recognized an application as up-to-date after being restored from tibu when it is indeed not up-to-date. Can't be because I didn't get the update pushed to play store yet, because the update is already on play store for me.
After trying a couple things it has become all too apparent that this is most likely an issue caused by titanium backup. I will continue to troubleshoot there from now on. Sorry,but I don't seem to be successfully getting my point across here. Thanks for all your replies, though.

RoyJ said:
Besides if that was the case that the update hadn't been pushed to the play store yet, it would still show 5. 0. 8. Not the new 5. 1. 4
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na. i have memories of many times in the past 6 years when the version showing for me was the updated version, yet i was still on the older version, and didnt show me an update(especially with google app updates). at a later point that day i got the update. if you know that an app got an update, yet you didnt at that point, i bet itll still show you the version thats updated.

It's been at least 6 days since ROM install. 9 since instagram update. I wasn't on the latest version. There should have been an update button in the play store on instagrams page.
This is the first time ever seeing this since the Droid X, X2, stratosphere, toro galaxy nexus, n5... I never keep auto update on. Back in the X2 days an app got updated automatically and was no longer compatible with the phone. Just force closed. Couldn't roll back. Since then I always updated manually and kept an eye on app versions, etc. If I didn't pay attention to that stuff or try xposed I probably would have never noticed it.

right, but you also restored a backup. id think that would change things, until your phone resyncs everything, which isnt always right away also.

What exactly do you mean by syncing? In the last 6 days I've had quite a few play store notifications telling me there's updating to the following applications. I remember specifically, multirom, Google camera, ez weather, screen filter and ecodrive just off the top of my head. Instagram wasn't there. Yet I keep auto sync in and I checked after your first reply. There was no sync errors. Everything was checked off and refreshed within 40 minutes of checking. :/

So to confirm, you wiped data in play app? Do it again
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RoyJ said:
What exactly do you mean by syncing? In the last 6 days I've had quite a few play store notifications telling me there's updating to the following applications. I remember specifically, multirom, Google camera, ez weather, screen filter and ecodrive just off the top of my head. Instagram wasn't there. Yet I keep auto sync in and I checked after your first reply. There was no sync errors. Everything was checked off and refreshed within 40 minutes of checking. :/
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lol, i cant tell you what happened. its all just speculation

simms22 said:
lol, i cant tell you what happened. its all just speculation
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rootSU said:
So to confirm, you wiped data in play app? Do it again
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Ironically, no and yes. I was messing around after I noticed that. I found an app called Recovery Tools on the play store. I figured I'd secure my data by flashing stock recovery and locking BL. Don't know why but I got the urge but I used to do it on my toro nexus. Anyways I made the mistake of locking my boot loader with boot unlocker and then flashed stock recovery. Phone went haywire. Tried a cache wipe from stock recovery but it did nothing. My phone booted, to my surprise but I was met with nonstop sysUI and gallery FC. I ended up having to scroll through my apps in between FC to open boot unlocker and unlock again. Then since I had no systemUI I had no home keys so i had to reboot again go back to the recovery tools app to flash my recovery backup I made before doing this. Long story short (too late) I had a bunch of stuff reset. Most of my system settings. Anything that had to do with systemUI. Even opened play store and was prompted to accept the terms of service again. Still showed no update for IG

I'm over it for now. Tonight I'll check my app info versions and match them with play store. Luckily xposed has a module to put a play store link in app info so it should be quicker!! Hahahaha
Anyways I'll bring it to the attention of the tibu dev in their thread if I find any more apps that aren't up to date on my phone, despite play store telling me they are

Does TB still have the break market link feature in settings? It's possible that got activated somehow. If it happens again go to menu. Then Market Docter. Market Update helper will also get you the update. Just some thoughts.

[Q] Google play store not working

Hey everyone,
Title says it all really over the past few days over several devices and different users in my household we have noticed that Google play store isn't working properly, we are receiving errors, connections issues and general problems overall.
I contacted Google who didn't do much in all honesty and they advised me to clear the cache for the app on my phone and clear data on both app and googleplay services, which I have done but since doing so my okay store loads but I get the error message check you connection and try again.
I have reinstalled the app using the apk on here and still the same problem.
I'm not to worried about it as I'm pretty sure the problem lies with Google especially since its happening in several device (using different accounts and same accounts)
Is there a fix for this or is it Google causing the fault as I have searched the net and found people with similar issues. (isitdownrightnow.com)
Many thanks
Azel

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azeluk said:
Hey everyone,
Title says it all really over the past few days over several devices and different users in my household we have noticed that Google play store isn't working properly, we are receiving errors, connections issues and general problems overall.
I contacted Google who didn't do much in all honesty and they advised me to clear the cache for the app on my phone and clear data on both app and googleplay services, which I have done but since doing so my okay store loads but I get the error message check you connection and try again.
I have reinstalled the app using the apk on here and still the same problem.
I'm not to worried about it as I'm pretty sure the problem lies with Google especially since its happening in several device (using different accounts and same accounts)
Is there a fix for this or is it Google causing the fault as I have searched the net and found people with similar issues. (isitdownrightnow.com)
Many thanks
Azel
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Got this one solved for you mate, had the same problem.......... All to do with automatic time and date being out of sync with the play store. Go to time and date settings disable the automatic time zone and automatic time and date. change the date manually to say....the same date but 2013. go back to home, then go back to date and time settings, enable both time zone and time & date auto's, and hey presto........play store's back to normal.
happy days

What do you mean when you say "not working"? Do you get an error message? Does it simply crash/force close?
Did you do something to the devices between the Play Store working and not working? Did you change your internet setup somehow? Did you move to a different country? Did you start worshiping Lord Xenu?
Play Store needs to be a system app. You say you reinstalled it, so I'll assume your devices have root. When you sideload an app it installs as a "user" app. Play Store needs to be a system app. Use whatever app you used to uninstall it to change it to a system app (most root apps that can uninstall system apps have this feature...if what you used doesn't, you can find ones that will, some free). If this isn't the cause of your problem, we'll need more info to help you.

Planterz said:
What do you mean when you say "not working"? Do you get an error message? Does it simply crash/force close?
Did you do something to the devices between the Play Store working and not working? Did you change your internet setup somehow? Did you move to a different country? Did you start worshiping Lord Xenu?
Play Store needs to be a system app. You say you reinstalled it, so I'll assume your devices have root. When you sideload an app it installs as a "user" app. Play Store needs to be a system app. Use whatever app you used to uninstall it to change it to a system app (most root apps that can uninstall system apps have this feature...if what you used doesn't, you can find ones that will, some free). If this isn't the cause of your problem, we'll need more info to help you.
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See comment above man........it's related to date & time sync. Easily sorted

Thanks
Hey guys thanks for the replies you were right all to do with the flipping date and time, all working now many thanks.
Azel.
(high fives all round)