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[Q] How to Password Protect Android Shutdown?

Hi, I was wondering if there was any way to password protect shutting off an android phone. For example, when holding down the power button and clicking "shut down" on the popup menu, I want to have to enter a pin in order to shut off the phone. I have a Motorola Droid. I'm rooted and running CyanogenMod 7 (if it matters). Thanks!!

need the same
Hi there, have you found a way? I´m also looking for this feature..

icedusa said:
Hi there, have you found a way? I´m also looking for this feature..
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Am I missing something? What would stop someone from pulling the battery?

lownox said:
Am I missing something? What would stop someone from pulling the battery?
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lol
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lownox said:
Am I missing something? What would stop someone from pulling the battery?
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You have found the one thing Apple trumps Android with! My entire paradigm has just collapsed around my fragile psyche!!
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I guess I wasn't clear enough. I just used shut down as an example, which would be flawed by a simple battery removal. What I'm actually going for, is to make the popup menu (the one with shut down, airplane mode, silent) not pop up unless the phone is unlocked. I don't want some random person to be able to pick up my phone and put it in airplane mode or silent mode. I know that it is possible, because there is actually a toggle for it in the settings of the miui rom.

Bump bump bump!!!!
Apple trumps Android???? HaHaHa
Never has, and with regard to this thread and the desire for a password protected power button," now (2012) especially.
***HTC EVO 4G LTE***
Can't remove battery... and possibly others?
I believe this app would have to restrict access to the menu that pops up to shut down, as well as override the ten second reboot feature of the EVO LTE.
Needless to say, I have searched a little first for it in the EVO LTE forum among others, but there seems to be a reason to revive this thread now!
Hope I'm not acting like a NOOB as described in the . . *ahem* . . . "Welcome" video...

If anyone read this thread and also needs/needed an answer, please bump it and/or included a link to the thread or page or anything that has a definitive answer.... I know I'm not the only one who would greatly appreciate the help!
:good:? O.K....

The Nexus 4 doesn't have a removable battery and such a feature would be great for a stolen phone.. The only way to shut it off would be to adb into it.

Im also looking for this feature to protect my Nexus 4 if atole.

Hmm...
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Im also looking for this feature to protect my Nexus 4 if atole.
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I know I started this thread a WHILE ago...but especially since a lot of the newer phones have non-removable batteries, this seems like a must. What about some way to disable the popup that appears when longpressing the power button (with airplane mode and stuff on it) from the lockscreen. So, you would only be able to access this after unlocking the phone. This is actually been baked into the MIUI Rom, and I'm wondering why others haven't adopted it. Does anyone know if this feature could be ported? It doesn't seem like it would be that hard.

AGREE 110%
This is a HUGE flaw in the smartphone world. I'm glad my Nexus 4 has no removable battery and I feel all phones from now on should follow. Why make it easier for the thieves? I've tried to find an app or something out their with no luck. I messaged Lookout Mobile Security about this BIG issue and hopefully you guys can request it as well here https://www.lookout.com/help. Just click on Send a Request and then just sign in. Hopefully they can implement this vital feature in their security app. If theirs any smart people out their who can make this feature on their own I applaud you. Your phone will let you know where its at even if its off using Lookout online, but without out the phone screaming (a feature within Lookout that makes your phone emit a really loud sound) it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack. Either click on the link and let them know you want this feature or create one yourself. It just makes security apps on ANY phone totally useless without this feature.

Completely agree. I submitted a feature request as well. Let me know if you hear anything

tyguy829 said:
Completely agree. I submitted a feature request as well. Let me know if you hear anything
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Will do.

Been all over the web looking for an app that allows this... I have an Atrix Hd and it has a non removable battery. This is an absolute must.

marcelarr said:
Been all over the web looking for an app that allows this... I have an Atrix Hd and it has a non removable battery. This is an absolute must.
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+1

+1. It will be very useful to have this feature along with some anti-theft programs like Cerberus, Avast etc.,:good:

+1 This is a must, should be in the OS features

Not found yet
I just though about the same thing yesterday & to my surprise there is no such app. This should've been the most easiest thing to make I believe, just a pin to switch off.
Why hasn't no one thought about this??

what does power button do normally on stock?

does it give power options like when rooted? my power button was sticking like crazy and then when i tried to pop it up the whole thing flew out...
want to know what to say to VZW when i call for replacement...ie my power button was sticking and i couldnt do anything cuz power options kept coming up
would that be correct?
thanks

I think it shows hibernate and airplane mode and reboot. Its been so long since I've seen it I can barely remember. I've been rooted since the day I got this phone lol.
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djcyph said:
does it give power options like when rooted? my power button was sticking like crazy and then when i tried to pop it up the whole thing flew out...
want to know what to say to VZW when i call for replacement...ie my power button was sticking and i couldnt do anything cuz power options kept coming up
would that be correct?
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I would just tell them it isn't working anymore. I've actually had that happen on another phone and they replaced it. I wouldn't send it back rooted though.
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heath2805 said:
I would just tell them it isn't working anymore. I've actually had that happen on another phone and they replaced it. I wouldn't send it back rooted though.
And it's just a standard menu on stock when holding power, nothing like a rooted custom from menu.
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heath2805 said:
I would just tell them it isn't working anymore. I've actually had that happen on another phone and they replaced it. I wouldn't send it back rooted though.
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yea def wont send back rooted...yea think ill say something like that, wont turn on all the time and when does shuts down cuz power button is in

yea i was curious to what the standard menu consisted of so i sounded more like i was on stock

I sent an Eris back rooted, s off and unlocked before and heard no complaints so you may get lucky but I wouldn't do it if I could avoid it.
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disconnecktie said:
I sent an Eris back rooted, s off and unlocked before and heard no complaints so you may get lucky but I wouldn't do it if I could avoid it.
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i know not to send back rooted, ive unrooted b4....just want to know whats on the stock power menu lol

Verizon can see if you are rooted and any custom rom or modified kernel you are using. They have full access to all the information in the "about phone" screen in settings. If they wanted to deny a warranty claim due to being rooted, all they would have to do is look on their systems and see what you were running.

bastards said they will charge me 300 something if i send back without the power button
if i jam it in am i screwed either way if i send it back since i already callled??
asurion only has tblolts id rather wait till they out of stock and get rezound

djcyph said:
bastards said they will charge me 300 something if i send back without the power button
if i jam it in am i screwed either way if i send it back since i already callled??
asurion only has tblolts id rather wait till they out of stock and get rezound
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Id call back and talk to a different person, then tell them the button fell out (you did not pop it out) if that dont work get escalated (talk to their manager.

Milimbar said:
Verizon can see if you are rooted and any custom rom or modified kernel you are using. They have full access to all the information in the "about phone" screen in settings. If they wanted to deny a warranty claim due to being rooted, all they would have to do is look on their systems and see what you were running.
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that sounds like a load of crap
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androidsupra said:
that sounds like a load of crap
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I agree. I have been over my about phone with Verizon several times and even returned rooted phones to them and they never said crap. I think they ask because they want to see if you're going to slip up and tell them some wrong information.
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that sounds like a load of crap
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+1 lol Verizon has no way to tell your rooted unless they have your phone in front of them. If they knew, you would be warned as soon as you root your device. Where do these people get their info?? Lol
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disconnecktie said:
I agree. I have been over my about phone with Verizon several times and even returned rooted phones to them and they never said crap. I think they ask because they want to see if you're going to slip up and tell them some wrong information.
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Yeah most of them don't really care anyway. I had a touch pro 2 from Sprint, first phone I ever rooted. I panicked because I had to send it back, didn't know how to re-lock! Finally after searching and reading and searching I figured it out! Lol
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They can see your radio version every time you connect to their towers, They can see your software/kernel/baseband if they like through the information your phone sends to them as you use it. Also they still have stuff like Carrier IQ on phones that COULD even read you your text messages if they wanted. Dont think they cant see it because they can. They just dont let you know they can because it could be considered illegal.

Milimbar said:
They can see your radio version every time you connect to their towers, They can see your software/kernel/baseband if they like through the information your phone sends to them as you use it. Also they still have stuff like Carrier IQ on phones that COULD even read you your text messages if they wanted. Dont think they cant see it because they can. They just dont let you know they can because it could be considered illegal.
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This is BS because if that's the case they would have made me pay full price on two different occasions for phones that were rooted when I sent them back.
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Milimbar said:
They can see your radio version every time you connect to their towers, They can see your software/kernel/baseband if they like through the information your phone sends to them as you use it. Also they still have stuff like Carrier IQ on phones that COULD even read you your text messages if they wanted. Dont think they cant see it because they can. They just dont let you know they can because it could be considered illegal.
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Seeing the radio version doesn't tell any carrier that someone is rooted. Being rooted is software related not radio related. Not unless custom radios are around, which is not available for the tbolt and im sure not for any other phone for that matter.
The only info phones send to the network is account information so the tower knows whether or not to provide service. That's it.
If they knew more details about a device then they would have no reason to ask us about our phone. They wouldn't waste their time as the info would pop up on their computer screens. If they saw anything other than the latest official OTA, then they would tell you that they can't do anything and that you voided your warranty so even switching back to stock won't make them change their mind.
The fact they would "waste" time to find out every detail from you pretty much sums up that this info is NOT available to them. CSRs like to help the customer as quickly as possible to get them off the line and help the next. And at this moment, asking customers about their phones is the quickest way.
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So you think that those little forum signatures that can tell you what OS you are running, what browser and even your IP know more about your phone than your carrier?
Must be nice to be that gullible.
Think what you will, I know for a fact they can see the information. They literally don't care. The warranty is through another company and has nothing to do with Verizon. It is also perfectly legal to root your phone and do what you want with it as of July 26 2010 http://www.androidguys.com/2010/07/26/rooting-android-phone-longer-crime/
The only thing it does is void any extended warranty you bought. So do restore to stock for returns to asurion and the likes.
They ask you because the lower tier CS people do not have access to your phone information, if you are escalated enough you will eventually find someone who can and will rattle off all your information to you.

If you can provide proof then I will take back what I said and apologize. I've played dumb before in the past just to see if it was possible for tier 2 and 3 (technical departments) to know this information. I simply stated that I didn't know how to access the about phone section. They tried to "help" me access this section and i pretended I was getting frustrated. I asked them to see if there was a way for them to see it on their systems and they told me no. They couldn't "help" me with my pretend issue unless I gave them this info. So all I was given was generic troubleshooting tips. They then stated to take it to the store for the CSR to look at my phone for the software version. I did this on a couple of occasions just to get a different Rep each time.
Yes, your mobile browser sends browser info to a website, and OS info. User agent strings are sent so that a website will know how to display the website on the browser. You can easily set the user agent to the stock HTC user agent. But this is irrelevant to Verizon as I can install different browsers on my phone which have unique user agents for each one. Just because my phone sends a dolphin user agent or maxathon user agent and not the stock HTC user agent, this does not imply I am rooted.
OS version is very easy to hack. You can edit this by going to the build.prop and change the OS version to the stock version and I'm sure there is a hack to fake the kernal (you might have to recompile the kernal to change the name)
All the IP address provides is the owner of the IP address (i.e. verizon) and in some cases, the general location of where the IP is being used. Verizon's LTE/EHRPD network use private IP addresses so it would be difficult to pin point a phone or information based on IP. This network uses Dynamic IPs so your IP will not be the same all the time. You have to pay extra to get a static address (business account). It is illegal to use an IP to gain access to any additional information unless a court order demands this.
The point of this is that you can pretty much make your rooted phone appear stock if it was really necessary to do so. Its a variant of Linux and Linux is very easy to work with if you know what you are doing.
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OS version is very easy to hack. You can edit this by going to the build.prob and change the OS version to the stock version and I'm sure there is a hack to fake the kernal (you might have to recompile the kernal to change the name)
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Yup, does anyone just randomly do this though?
Sorry to cause the topic to get sidetracked like this, I was just trying to point out that Verizon don't care if we root or not.

Milimbar said:
Yup, does anyone just randomly do this though?
Sorry to cause the topic to get sidetracked like this, I was just trying to point out that Verizon don't care if we root or not.
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If you can root your phone, then its a start. Your typical average user doesn't know what root means or even care what possibilities exist. I am pretty much the only person at my job who is rooted and I've had people ask me how I got my phone to look a certain way and they want their phone like this. When I explain the root process, they say screw that. Most people I know who are rooted know exactly what they can do with a rooted device. And new comers to rooting eventually pick up speed. Linux may be intimidating at first, but once you play around, you see how easy it is.
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Serious Android Lock Screen Vulnerability

Not sure if this is well known or not but if you lose your android phone and think that your 4 digit lock screen password is going to cut it, you may be wrong. I realize that most people here know multiple ways to get access to a device but I haven't seen this way before and thought it was unique.
A 4 digit password can be brute force hacked in 16.5 hours, using the USB rubber duckie developed by the guys at Hak5.
They have a detailed video posted over at: http://hak5.org/episodes/hak5-1217
It works because android doesn't implement longer wait times between unsuccessful pin entries. Every 5 tried it locks you out for 30 seconds. That's it! That's all! Every 5 times, 30 seconds over and over again! It never gets longer! Thus why it takes 16.5 hours to go from 0000 to 9999 with one second between attempts, and 30 seconds between every 5 attempts.
Hopefully this gets fixed in the next version of android. For comparison, BlackBerry has a 10 password rule and the phone gets wiped and Apple makes successive longer wait times and will ultimately lock itself and need to be plugged into the original syncing computer (I believe, not really a big Apple fan, so I don't know for sure)

Thanks for this information
The difference in the time it takes to break a 5 digit pin or a 10 digit pin is cRaZy

Sure, the wait times should be "smarter" - but if you're keeping TRULY sensitive information on your phone, just use a real password to unlock it, not a PIN.
Or, perhaps a solution in the spirit of Android would be to let people decide for themselves how they want it implemented. Some people wouldn't care and wouldn't want their data to be wiped after ten wrong tries - I mean, wow - that would suck if someone knew that and wanted to be malicious and wipe your phone for the lulz or whatever. Or if you wanted to let a kid play with it - which I've read a lot of people do (beats me, but hey). Other people who need tighter security could choose that.

Any tips on how to bypass or brute force the android pattern lock?

After a certain number of tries, Android will not allow you to unlock via PIN, and force you to enter a Google account registered on the phone.
Hacker can't get past that unless they know whose Google account is on the phone, and then they have to hack a Google account
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I have never thought the android lock screen was any good if im honest. if you have a dirtyish screen you can actually see the pattern you draw.
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What gagdude said, after so many failed attempts you need to login via your associated Google account.

Ty for sharing
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Hmmmm interesting, wonder how long it would take for the pattern method of unlocking.

xillusionzx said:
Hmmmm interesting, wonder how long it would take for the pattern method of unlocking.
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Depends. A 4 digit PIN is 10*10*10*10=10000
A pattern can be from 9*8*7*6 to 9! possibilities
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Hi!
I just think PIN is unuseful. I was cheated by one of my friend because he discovered the PIN of my phone. I give my phone to nobody no more. Now I have a phone without protection: it is more comfortable!

Put any password /pin, u can just boot into recovery, do a factory reset and it's all gone! Right? (in case of theft I'm talking about)

Thanks for the heads up, my mother in lay asked this about her new Note II today.

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Put any password /pin, u can just boot into recovery, do a factory reset and it's all gone! Right? (in case of theft I'm talking about)
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As if someone who actually goes low enough to steal know what recovery is.
What I'm trying to say here us that the average person doesn't know what recovery is.
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As if someone who actually goes low enough to steal know what recovery is.
What I'm trying to say here us that the average person doesn't know what recovery is.
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Just sayin!

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Just sayin!
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I know; I used to worry about this until I asked my friend about it and he was like "what's recovery? Stop being a nerd." And then it hit me: people don't know what it even is, much less how to boot into it
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Yeah, but all but the dumbest theives have the wits to Google search If they have an issue that's in the way of turning a profit (like a lock screen). It's occupational information even if it's not known to "normal" people. You know, like lock picking, hot wiring, et cetera. Not all theives are rock-stupid - and maybe some are, and but they're stealing phones they can't sell at low costs/for meth to someone who in fact does know how to make these devices much more profitable.
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If someone steals my phone he can just flash a new rom on it.
No need to brute force the password/pin unless he's after my personal info/my messages.

Rooting with the x8 processor

Even if devs can unlock the bootloader and root this phone, how much can devs do considering how the x8 processor works? Would cm10.2 work well considering that Motorola has specific processors doing specific tasks?
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The basic 2 processors and GPU processors would probably be easy enough. The other two might be a challenge
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Does anyone have date when root will be available for the new maxx?

ilstec2 said:
Does anyone have date when root will be available for the new maxx?
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No ETAs ever.
I'm sure someone somewhere is working on it, so just just wait patiently.
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Why X8 doesn't matter...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...x8-chip-gives-us-a-lesson-in-marketing-speak/
"At any rate, the Motorola X8 is more or less a Qualcomm Snapdragon."

alee said:
Why X8 doesn't matter...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...x8-chip-gives-us-a-lesson-in-marketing-speak/
"At any rate, the Motorola X8 is more or less a Qualcomm Snapdragon."
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It may not matter but custom roms still need to make use of the contextual computing core and the voice processing core. Which I believe is what the OP is talking about if you took a second to read it.

AWD FTW said:
It may not matter but custom roms still need to make use of the contextual computing core and the voice processing core. Which I believe is what the OP is talking about if you took a second to read it.
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I read it. My response addresses the fact that people, including the OP, think that the X8 is wildly different than anything the Android community has ever seen. It's Qualcomm + 2 cores + firmware customizations.
The OP is asking people to speculate whether CM10.2 or any ROM will work fine... and it will more than likely work fine once the devs get access to it -- just without the Motorola touchless controls. Most ROMs kill vendor specific customizations. I expect any new ROM out there that isn't based on a Motorola build will kill off the use of contextual processors. But it certainly doesn't stop the pace of ROMs being released. Example: CM10.2 doesn't do eye tracking on the SGS4, and never will.
So yes, I did read what the OP wrote. I understand what the OP is asking. And I responded to it.

But isn't eye tracking just a software where as the extra cores on the phone hardware issues? The question I am wondering would you be able to control the snapdragon processor without controlling the other 2 cores. Because the way moto spoke about it was as if they were all connected working simultaneously.
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craigbailey1986 said:
But isn't eye tracking just a software where as the extra cores on the phone hardware issues? The question I am wondering would you be able to control the snapdragon processor without controlling the other 2 cores. Because the way moto spoke about it was as if they were all connected working simultaneously.
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Depends on how the extra cores are packaged.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2422513,00.asp
"Separating the custom logic from the CPU will allow Motorola to build X8s based on other CPUs, Arshad said.
"We can with with any Qualcomm processor. We can work with anybody's CPU. That's the beauty of it; all of our technology and experiences are decoupled from the legacy CPU processor," he said."
That to me says out the gate, things that are not bound to the contextual processor continue to exist as if there was none -- e.g. it runs just like any Qualcomm Snapdragon.
Where we see clues of customization where no doubt kernel work needs to be done is this:
"We've done additional optimizations on top of that such as optimizing the entire Linux user space to move it to an ARM instruction set, cache optimization, Dalvik just-in-time optimization, and we've changed the file system," Arshad said. "It's full hardware-software integration to deliver best-in-class performance."
So for it to perform as stock, it would seem that X8 optimizations must be done. But I read this as it is not required to get a custom ROM working -- it just won't have the battery life and speed of its optimized peer. But that's also pretty par for most ROMs out the gate -- lot of tweaking, tuning, etc. that has to happen before you start getting better than stock.

ilstec2 said:
Does anyone have date when root will be available for the new maxx?
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member for 6 years and 1 post to ask for a root eta... i'm so confused.

joshpersaud said:
member for 6 years and 1 post to ask for a root eta... i'm so confused.
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I have seen root on phones before they hit the market, Just thought I would ask. Don't have time to read much, just need root for tethering before I purchase the new MAXX.

ilstec2 said:
I have seen root on phones before they hit the market, Just thought I would ask. Don't have time to read much, just need root for tethering before I purchase the new MAXX.
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Are you on a grandfathered unlimited plan? I thought all of the "new" VZW plans include tethering for free? No root is the only stumbling block for me.

KWKSLVR said:
Are you on a grandfathered unlimited plan? I thought all of the "new" VZW plans include tethering for free? No root is the only stumbling block for me.
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Yes, I still have the old alltel unlimited plan.

KWKSLVR said:
Are you on a grandfathered unlimited plan? I thought all of the "new" VZW plans include tethering for free? No root is the only stumbling block for me.
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The 6bg maxx plan does not have tethering, but do not be worried. If we can gain access to root we should be fine with tether.

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I'm not sure a worst question has ever been asked on any forum, but... there are no eta's. In fact as far as I know, there is no one working on root right now.

jimmydafish said:
I'm not sure a worst question has ever been asked on any forum, but... there are no eta's. In fact as far as I know, there is no one working on root right now.
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There was also "no one" working on unlocking moto bout loaders when Dan popped the news he got it. I'm sure some one some where is, especially now that the X is out on Verizon too.
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I am not holding my breath for root but I would imagine we will get it. why? lets look at it this way these guys do what they do for free some get donations but that is like putting out a tip jar never know what you will get. They have this in their blood I ma guessing someone is looking at the maxx/moto x and the X8 processor and saying I'm going to crack this *****. It's like a game to them they have to love what they do they do it for free.

Casen said:
There was also "no one" working on unlocking moto bout loaders when Dan popped the news he got it. I'm sure some one some where is, especially now that the X is out on Verizon too.
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Many people worked on the OMAP droids to no avail, Dan did great work and I'm not saying it's not possible or that there isn't someone with the ability to do it, but it takes ability and desire to do it. What I see lacking right now is a lack of desire.
So, unless one of the few people with the ability has the desire you will all wish you had bought an unlocked device.
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bigv5150 said:
I am not holding my breath for root but I would imagine we will get it. why? lets look at it this way these guys do what they do for free some get donations but that is like putting out a tip jar never know what you will get. They have this in their blood I ma guessing someone is looking at the maxx/moto x and the X8 processor and saying I'm going to crack this *****. It's like a game to them they have to love what they do they do it for free.
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For many it's what they do for a living (Security), and many may have cracked their own device and not be sharing what they have done. So I think from information not in the public domain, that there is a lack of desire to do this. maybe someone new will rise up and become the batman for this issue.

jimmydafish said:
Many people worked on the OMAP droids to no avail, Dan did great work and I'm not saying it's not possible or that there isn't someone with the ability to do it, but it takes ability and desire to do it. What I see lacking right now is a lack of desire.
So, unless one of the few people with the ability has the desire you will all wish you had bought an unlocked device.
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For many it's what they do for a living (Security), and many may have cracked their own device and not be sharing what they have done. So I think from information not in the public domain, that there is a lack of desire to do this. maybe someone new will rise up and become the batman for this issue.
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W Batman !
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Buyer's remorse...

Okay,
Some folks have had the phone for about 24hrs.
What things do you absolutely hate about the phone?
What is disappointing about it?
What will you mod on the phone?
And what about the phone would you like to walk up to the design team and give them a great big kick in the crotch about???
• Not a big enough bump technology wise from the Note 2
• Poor Radio's
• The speaker. Wish it had dual speakers
• The back cover not feel like leather
• Small notification light
• Knox security
• Gets hot when stressing the device
• Screen Gap
• Battery Drain
• Region Locking
• Only 4 columns on home screen
• Bezel size
• Bloat ware from carrier
• Headphone jack is said to be excellent
• Rooting to mod the battery indicator
• Long press the on the soft menu button will run S –Finder not Google Now
• * Lack of Custom roms
• * Lack of custom kernels
• * Locked bootloader
• * Ease of the ability to root
* Designates TBD
There are also quite a few complaints about the polycabonate build material of this phone.
Whether this is a reasonable complaint or not is up for debate. If you purchased this phone without reading about the plastic body or without demo-ing the phone beforehand. Then I think that responsibility resides with the consumer for not doing any research about this piece of technology.

What things do you absolutely hate about the phone?
The speaker. The speaker is much better than my old galaxy s3, but i'd really liked it if they had put in dual speakers. Luckily i don't use the speakers that often, but it still bothers me, although i knew it before buying the phone obviously.
I also really dislike the very small Notification light. The light in my S3 was much bigger.
What is disappointing about it?
I thought the back of the phone would feel like actual leather, but it doesn't. It's still better than my galaxy s3, but i much preferred the metal feel of my Desire HD.
I'm also disappointed that there doesn't seem to be any place to buy the samsung accessories in my country, they don't even have the phone added to the danish version of the samsung website, but i'll have to wait for it to be released, i just usually like to get the case with the phone.
What will you mod on the phone?
I'll root it when that becomes available, and install cyanogenmod(Or something in that category) when i get tired of touchwiz.
And what about the phone would you like to walk up to the design team and give them a great big kick in the crotch about???
The small notification light & the speakers. Possible adding a metal back, but not at the cost of a removable back.

What is the point of this thread in a newly released phone's forum? people just bought their phone and you are trying to get them to remember buyer's remorse. There really isn't any point in it
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Jamal Ahmed said:
What is the point of this thread in a newly released phone's forum? people just bought their phone and you are trying to get them to remember buyer's remorse. There really isn't any point in it
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The point of this thread is to catalog any problems people are having with their phones, so others contemplating a purchase can have more information. Personally, I appreciate it.

I'm very much interested in this thread and it's a very good question.
There a ton of love for the N3, but I also want to know what people don't like. Starfigher's issues would not be my issues, but it's good to know what bothers people and see if it is a global issue or just someone's personal preferences.

Jamal Ahmed said:
What is the point of this thread in a newly released phone's forum? people just bought their phone and you are trying to get them to remember buyer's remorse. There really isn't any point in it
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Back off. This is a useful thread

clninja said:
Back off. This is a useful thread
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Agreed. Good thread, I am also very interested in what people dislike about the Device.

We already have threads covering all this, visit them so owners don't have to type it down again.

BoneXDA said:
We already have threads covering all this, visit them so owners don't have to type it down again.
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We already have threads devoted specifically to problems with the device?

bigmout said:
The point of this thread is to catalog any problems people are having with their phones, so others contemplating a purchase can have more information. Personally, I appreciate it.
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I appreciate it to...what I really want to know is how the dev support is going to be for the exynos version...and how well it works especially the octa core system and it's switching ability

I also like this thread. Problems can be a separate issue than likes/dislikes. Although I won't get my phone for a few days, I appreciate the feedback others are giving, both positive and negative.

I just got my N9000 today.
What things do you absolutely hate about the phone?
Knowing that this phone might be hard to customize because of Knox.
What is disappointing about it?
Long press on the soft menu button will run S-Finder not Google Now like in my Note II.
S-View Cover Wireless not available yet!
What will you mod on the phone?
Root it and mod the battery indicator. Basically, I will mod the touch wiz to make it look like in my Note II
And what about the phone would you like to walk up to the design team and give them a great big kick in the crotch about???
Wish it has dual speaker on the bottom

The reason why I made the thread is to have a single thread where early adopter could voice their pleasure or displeasure with particular aspects of the phone. As a Hobbyist/Prosumer you have to remember not all consumers are as phone or forum savvy as many of "YOU" are, when it comes to searching or finding out things about any phone.
So the idea behind this was to give a rundown of what people disliked and from there if they so choose to research it even more, they would have a few search terms to use in order to the using the "SEARCH" feature on the forum much easier. I will periodically update my original post with bullet points as it warrants with new found dislikes etc..

belutz said:
Long press on the soft menu button will run S-Finder not Google Now like in my Note II.
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Ugh. No way to disable that without rooting?

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We already have threads covering all this, visit them so owners don't have to type it down again.
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I will visit them and update my original post with I can find or understand as a gripe that isn't telecom or user error related.

physicsguymatt said:
I'm very much interested in this thread and it's a very good question.
There a ton of love for the N3, but I also want to know what people don't like. Starfigher's issues would not be my issues, but it's good to know what bothers people and see if it is a global issue or just someone's personal preferences.
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And there are many good reviews and information available so most buyers should know what they are buying and in most countries you can return the device. Pointless thread.
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Nah. Wouldn't say so. Generally speaking, I trust members of xda more than random reviewers whose agenda I don't know.
Just as a starter: if I had known about this Knox - thingy, I might not have bought the N3. I read many reviews - but when I made the decision to buy the device, none of those were talking about Knox at all.

I hate the plastic build.
I dislike amoled.

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Ugh. No way to disable that without rooting?
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Install Apex (or a similar launcher), which lets you customize what long-pressing the menu button does. For example, I have mine set to open up Contacts.

Love everything, but the speaker! Its crap!!!
I'm working on a volume boost though..just as I found for the Note 2. Phone is now rooted..so should be able to edit settings!
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