I'm new to AT&T and the Samsung Smart Phone world so I thought I would share this and see what the community has to say. From my experience with Sprint and HTC I noticed that receiving new Android updates was like waiting for hair to grow. Granted some grow faster than others, it is still time consuming. With my HTC Hero back in the day... I NEVER received an update. With the EVO3D I saw ONE update. With the HTC EVO LTE... I didn't have the phone long enough to care. Feel free to add your experiences and theory on how long it'll take our S4's to snatch the newest update of 5.0 or, at the very least, 4.3.
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Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie is expected to be released in October 2013 and reports say that the upcoming software version will support older and low-cost devices to prevent fragmentation between Android smartphones and tablets.
Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie and K Release Build
WallStreetJournal reported the Google's upcoming plans include a "K release" in fall as the company "wraps up development on the next version of Android." "K release" refers the famous Android 5.0 aka Key Lime Pie which will refresh the Android OS environment. Recently, Google released the source code of Android 4.3 Jelly Bean featuring major bugs fixes and some additions not found in previous Jelly Bean versions.
The Samsung Galaxy S4 Google Play Edition and Snapdragon-powered variant were found compatible with Android 4.3 and will be available soon to other flagship devices such as HTC One and Sony Xperia Z in 2013. Moreover, Nexus devices, including Nexus 7 and Nexus 4 could receive push update of Android 4.3 once Google officially releases it publicly. The iteration of Android devices are now being finalised by Google.
Older and Low-Cost Devices will be Made Compatible with Android 5.0
Included in the report released by WallStreetJournal, Android 5.0 will be made customised to suit low-cost smartphones and not exclusive anymore to high-end devices. Google has been making a lot of noise to bring affordable Internet connection to billions that currently do not support proper Web connectivity.
This may also mean that older phones released 2-3 years ago will become qualified to run Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie. It will incredibly increase popularity and market share of Android devices if the major software update has a tailor-made version for low-end smartphones and tablets.
Android 5.0 Opens Door for Expansion
Google is thinking to expand again and plans to target other electronic devices such as appliances and computers; making the Android OS limitless.
"With the next release of Android this fall, Google is also moving more aggressively to use the software in additional kinds of devices, including laptops and appliances such as refrigerators," included to the report of WallStreetJournal.
"According to Google, the majority of Android devices currently being used rely on a version of the software released in 2011 that has fewer capabilities than newer releases. Some industry experts say that the most recent versions of Android are better for higher-end devices than lower-end or older one that had, for instance, 512MB of memory."
The only way to solve this crisis about compatibility and stability among Android devices is to come up with an Android OS version optimised to all kinds, whether high-end or low-end.
The Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie major feature would be the "optimised factor" not found on earlier versions of the OS, and its release, according to Google, would be a "remedy to the issue of RAM restrictions for older devices and freedom of developers to optimise their apps for all Android devices no matter what version it runs."
Delakit said:
The Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie major feature would be the "optimised factor" not found on earlier versions of the OS, and its release, according to Google, would be a "remedy to the issue of RAM restrictions for older devices and freedom of developers to optimise their apps for all Android devices no matter what version it runs."
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This is great, I know a bunch of guys with smartphones from 2010-2011. Those phones aren't really good with RAM management given the low amount of RAM they work with. Mostly 512mb. We'll have to see what carriers will do about updating these old phones. It would be really nice if they did get the update. And as for us with the higher end devices, It'll mean a snappier, smarter and better multitasking OS. :good:
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This is great, I know a bunch of guys with smartphones from 2010-2011. Those phones aren't really good with RAM management given the low amount of RAM they work with. Mostly 512mb. We'll have to see what carriers will do about updating these old phones. It would be really nice if they did get the update. And as for us with the higher end devices, It'll mean a snappier, smarter and better multitasking OS. :good:
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this reminds me off that Google article were they promised to support device for at least 2 years(I think)to help with fragmentation and that never happened. I tend to believe the industry not really interested in keeping devices software current because so many of us buy the new phones to get the new software.
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Hi, hope this is the right thread to post this.
Anyways, with Honeycomb (and Ice Cream after that) being the next major Android release, and it being developed and focused more for tablet hardware/size, what do you think (if anything) will be next for Android phones after Gingerbread?
Given that Honeycomb, and the releases after, will probably require/utilize better hardware in terms of Android devices (ie. tablets), do you think Gingerbread is the "last" major Android release we'll see targeted specifically for phone devices?
If so, that would be disappointing. I know some people have uses for tablets, but frankly the smartphone for me is still the most capable and versatile device to come out in years, given that you can actually fit it in your pocket. I hope Google doesn't completely abandon Android development for phone-centric devices, and to see 2.5/2.6 updates.
C'mon Google...I know you do can do better than Apple or Microsoft. Need to improve this update thing now that Android is gaining momentum to mainstream market. Things like this will lose users to go back to other OS especially where security and latest update is needed.
iOS 4 has 90 percent share amongst iOS device owners. What about Android 2.3? 0.4 percent, as of a couple weeks ago. Yes, that’s zero point four percent.
Okay, I realize it’s a little unfair to compare iOS 4 to Android 2.3 since the latter was just released and is only available on one phone (again, the Nexus S). Still, the fact that it’s still only available on one phone weeks after being made public says a lot.
But for the sake of this being slightly more fair, let’s compare iOS 4 to Android 2.2 — an OS which came out well before iOS 4. The adoption rate there? 51.8 percent. That’s still pretty pathetic.
Obviously, this isn’t the Android users’ faults. The problem is that the OEMs and carriers are holding these updates up for a wide variety of reasons, 99 percent of which are undoubtedly bull****. Here’s a perfect example. Supposedly, the Android 2.2 update is all ready to go for Samsung Android phones on T-Mobile, but Samsung doesn’t want to push it out so that they can entice people to buy the newly announced Vibrant 4G+ instead.
Lovely.
Instead, many Samsung T-mobile Android users are struck with Android 2.1. An OS that while perhaps only a year old, is now two full revisions old in Android land. A dinosaur, in other words. And they’re hardly alone. Some 35.2 percent of all Android users are stuck on this same version of the OS.
Imagine if 35 percent of all iOS users were stuck on iOS 2 (which is so old that it wasn’t even called ‘iOS” at the time), while a few of us had iOS 4 and the majority of us had iOS 3? Yeah…
Even more humorous is the fact that over 12 percent of Android users are still stuck on Android 1.5 and 1.6. I mean, Android 1.5 is nearly two years old now. And again, more importantly, it’s four major revisions ago. iOS hasn’t even gone through four major revisions yet.
So it’s sort of like if a few iPhone users had iOS 4, the majority had iOS 3, a good number had iOS 2, some had iOS 1, and then nearly 5 percent were stuck using MotoROKRs.
Google, meanwhile, keeps promising that this sad trend is going to improve. They’re sure that the carriers are eventually going to see the light and get in line any day now. Those 99.6 percent of Android users who’ve seen Android 2.3 — but can’t use it — are waiting awfully patiently.
Meanwhile, the iPhone will launch on its second U.S. carrier in less than a month. And it will launch with either iOS 4.2.5 or iOS 4.3. The same OS that every single other iOS user will have access to.
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source: http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/
From the replies on that article:
Android users on Android 2.0, 2.1, 2.2: 87%.
iOS users on iOS 4.0, 4.1, 4.2: 89.75%.
What's the percent of people upgrading to Windows 7?
Hell, I'm still on XP and like it.
Even more humorous is the fact that over 12 percent of Android users are still stuck on Android 1.5 and 1.6. I mean, Android 1.5 is nearly two years old now. And again, more importantly, it’s four major revisions ago. iOS hasn’t even gone through four major revisions yet.
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Umm.. yeah.
It's easy to update at a snail's pace.
I guess Android is updated so often that it's hard to keep up sometimes.
There's 3 kind's of lies.
Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.
That article sure has alot of statistics.
dekeijzer said:
From the replies on that article:
Android users on Android 2.0, 2.1, 2.2: 87%.
iOS users on iOS 4.0, 4.1, 4.2: 89.75%.
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I saw that. But this "the above ones are probably best to compare with Android revisions because .X updates in iOS tend to be pretty minor (bug fixes), while .X in Android are usually pretty major (new features)." He is trying to say .x in iOS is not same as .x in android and that the 89% of iOS is not the same as the 87% of Android users
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What's the percent of people upgrading to Windows 7?
Hell, I'm still on XP and like it.
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In windows world, I guess it's like 7 vs 7 with service packs. For XP, XP & SP1, XP & SP2, and XP & SP3. I guess iOS 4.x, or Android 2.x is equivalent to 7 and 7.x or XP and XP.x. XP to Windows 7 is not the same and too different. XP is not the oldest, Windows 1.01 is the oldest OS of "Windows" iOS 3.x to 4.x is not that different. Windows 1.x to 7 is drastically different...probably 99% differnt even the HAL are different already.
Even if Android did not get only a yearly update I wouldn´t go to apple
Said that it would be great to have more frequent updates indeed.
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Even if Android did not get only a yearly update I wouldn´t go to apple
Said that it would be great to have more frequent updates indeed.
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Android might lose battle to iphone in the long run to business community if they don't clean this up. Business and Enterprise mobile deployer likes me like to be up-to-date on patches and security...not behind. Android currently lacks enterprise control like mass group policy stuff. I already worked with Windows, Apple, and Blackbery, but wanted to try something new thus giving android a try, but if they don't have anything for enterprise deployment or control like group policy and stuff later, then folks like me or enterprise admin, would be force going back to BlackBerry, Windows Mobile, iphone or whatever that can be managed remotely.
Well iPhone certainly is not going to be any better in enterprise management than Android. But you are correct that if Google doesn't give up it's insistence on cloud based data the corporate managers will go back to Blackberry. (WinP7) does not seem very business friendly either but I do predict MS will one day release a pro edition that will please those needs.
Android has great potential in this area thanks to linux base but I just spent two days trying to get my partner's contacts sorted out between all the cloud based contacr contributors.
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Well iPhone certainly is not going to be any better in enterprise management than Android. But you are correct that if Google doesn't give up it's insistence on cloud based data the corporate managers will go back to Blackberry. (WinP7) does not seem very business friendly either but I do predict MS will one day release a pro edition that will please those needs.
Android has great potential in this area thanks to linux base but I just spent two days trying to get my partner's contacts sorted out between all the cloud based contacr contributors.
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Isn't cloud computing supposed to be easier? lol
I'm on Android 2.2 on my HTC Wildfire.
Its full of annoying little bugs and lags. Feels like Beta software still.
Can't imagine how horrendous 1.5 and 1.6 was if 2 years down the line the OS is still full of annoying glitches.
Been a Google fan all my life but Apple is starting to look appealing...
Google is not responsible for updating all of the Android phones out there.
Google updates a few phones themselves, the Nexus series, the g1, the g2, and the Mytouch 3g. The actual updates to phones say the Evo, the Galaxy S, the Droid/Milestone, that's up to HTC, Samsung, and Motorola. Apple makes the device, and the operating system, and is not open source like Android. They have 2 series of phones they support still, and 2 they don't. This article is full of crap.
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C'mon Google...I know you do can do better than Apple or Microsoft. Need to improve this update thing now that Android is gaining momentum to mainstream market. Things like this will lose users to go back to other OS especially where security and latest update is needed.
source: http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/
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You know maybe.. just maybe if you read this article on a website like BGR or Engadget, you might have caught the fact that only .4% are on Gingerbread is due to the fact that only the Nexus S ships with Gingerbread. So wow, I wonder why Apple's percentage is so huge and Android's is so small!!11!!!1!
Maybe we (Android users) happy with not latest OS version?
I flashed Froyo 2.2 half year ago and don't seek for newer version.
This statistic only says how developer can push newest OS.
I was reading this article about Google Music on CNN, the writer mentioned that Android is a mess, a mess that has captured half the market. So why does this writer still consider Android a mess? Is it because the way Android system is distributed or the amount of fragmentation in the Android ecosystem?
here is the link http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/17/tech/web/google-music/index.html
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Android does have a lot of growing to do, hopefully alot of it will be fixed with ICS. It can be quite painful stock, but really, who runs stock nowadays?
HTC's Android phones are pretty good but the saying you get what you pay for is definitely true with android. Each carrier customizes it differently and some are a lot better keeping it updated than others.
Android it's quite new, fragmentation is a well known problem on which BigG is working on... the fact the producers are customizing their product it's more an advantage for the market...
To sustain that Android it's a mess there should be some valid topics that the author should bring, too easy to say something without prove it.
Less a mess than it used to be
My first android, the Samsung Behold 2, was a complete mess. Immature OS, frequent FC, lack of manufacturer support for upgrades, etc. I didn't get 2 years out of that phone before I bought the HTC Sensation, which is much nicer.
I think the perceptions of Android will improve as the older pre-2.0 devices are retired to the dustbins. While I wish I had the ability to circumvent HTC and TMO for core Android OS software updates, it's just not a reality except for headsets that are sold a native/vanilla Android devices. With that said, I still prefer the innovation and variety available on the Android platform over the "one size fits all" iOS approach.
In a bit over a month, Google is set to announce the next version of Android: "Key Lime Pie" 5.0
There are no confirmed features and very few rumors such as updates Linux kernel, UI change, a "Line" like program called "Babel" (Google Talk, what was that).........but these are not confirmed.
What do you think we will see in KLM? What would you like to see in KLM?
Personally, Id like for Google to implement a theme system. This would make it easier for OEMs (Samsung, HTC, to incorperate their branding) and would also make it avaliable to the community. Related to this, Google I think should take over the updates. Everything goes from Sansung to Google and Google to carriers/clients (if unlocked). Not how it currently is which is Google to Samsung and Samsung to carriers and carriers to customers.
Key Lime Pie will be delayed by 2-4 months, according to sources, and Nexus 4's successor is also delayed.
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Key Lime Pie will be delayed by 2-4 months, according to sources, and Nexus 4's successor is also delayed.
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Source for this?
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Key-Lime-Pice-Google-I-O-Nexus-7-Nexus-5-Qualcomm,22207.html
http://pocketnow.com/2013/04/23/android-5-0-key-lime-pie-delay
http://www.intomobile.com/2013/04/2...google-io-google-may-delay-android-50-launch/
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/ne...roid-50-key-lime-pie-faces-delays-report.html
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/04/android-5-0-key-lime-pie-release-at-google-io-reportedly-delayed/
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just rumors but I wont be surprised, the development of Android is so rapid, it has to slow down a bit, else, older phones, tablets and tv boxes will suffer because OEMs will not be able to catch up, and may be forced to abandon some mid-range, low-end, and some old but high-end phones.
This has always puzzled me since I switched over to Android 5 months ago. I noticed that most carriers don't push the latest update for months to come, if ever in some cases. For example, my SGS4 ATT hasn't been officially updated to 4.3 yet, but 4.4 is being released soon. Its not like as soon as 4.4 is released, everyone can update to it, like iOS. My question is, why is this? What's the point in Android releasing another major update when the majority of non-rooted phones aren't even running their latest update?
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It's not googles fault the oems can't keep up. Google even gave them the tools they needed to port software to newer versions of Android. If google took longer to release, that's longer oems would take
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I think a big part of it is that Google knows that the people with the know-how will go get 4.4 themselves and start testing/coming up with fixes for bugs and such. Yes, we all do it for advanced features/rooting, but at the same time Google can go look at bug fixes online just like the rest of us can
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This has always puzzled me since I switched over to Android 5 months ago. I noticed that most carriers don't push the latest update for months to come, if ever in some cases. For example, my SGS4 ATT hasn't been officially updated to 4.3 yet, but 4.4 is being released soon. Its not like as soon as 4.4 is released, everyone can update to it, like iOS. My question is, why is this? What's the point in Android releasing another major update when the majority of non-rooted phones aren't even running their latest update?
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Simple, most updates are minor and bit by bit remove the "Open" source features of AOSP.
Next android version will include the ability to have custom Messenger app that can recieve SMS. Google will probably replace it with a propietary version that integrates with g+ and other services and end up not support AOSP version. Its only natural because propietary software earns alot more money and google can earn money both from ads and its services.
Yes, android as we know it is being left to die by google.
Also, the thing others said here are correct, OEMs do not have the interest to update or support a device for more than one year, thats their cycle. This adds to android version fragmentation.
Its the same reason there are over 30% of devices still using gingerbread 2.3
Android devices are usually advertised heavily, distributed, supported for 1 year, and abandoned. This goes mostly for midrange devices. Flagships might get special treatment-
Low end devices are never updated to rarely if never updated to new versions. Of course, this policy might differ based on OEM.
LG uisually releases 1 update and thats it. Samsung does 2-3 updates for higher end devices. Dunno about HTC or Sony, but they should be the same.
it may be availble for all device
as far as i know google is planing to bring all android phones under one roof with same os.. they had worked on pusing updates through playstore .. so we may see soon that we are getting our os upgrades directly from playstore
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Keep an close eye on official release& waiting!
Thank goodness for developers who take the updates and then make far better roms than the carriers could ever do.. These updates are more for the artists that make the art that is the rom, or am I wrong?
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I think for the moment the answer is you simply don't need 4.4.
If you have 4.1 and up your phone will support all the new apps coming with 4.4, in fact they're already available...
We won't see universal Play Store upgrading for the foreseeable future, because remember, Google wouldn't want the hassle of handling hardware support for every single phone out there, they have enough on their plate with their Nexus line.
The road taken, if you will, probably is for the best, where Google develop their services independently of the platform as much as possible.
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