Hi everyone,
Today I was just reading about Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie, and I couldn't help but wonder if it will be ported to Sensation XE.
An upgrade from Gingerbread (2.3.4) to Ice Cream Sandwich/Jelly Bean required a corresponding firmware upgrade, which was "conveniently" released by HTC. As far as I know, nobody is invloved in firmware development for Sensation XE (for obvious reasons, I suppose), and the next K release on Android will most likely require new firmware which, let's be honest, HTC is quite unlikely to release.
So, what are your thoughts on Key Lime Pie being ported to Sensation XE?
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Well there was no firmware release for jb on the sensation. So ur using ICS firmware on jb. The same will follow, correct me if wrong.
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Well there was no firmware release for jb on the sensation. So ur using ICS firmware on jb. The same will follow, correct me if wrong.
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Well, JB could run on the same firmware as ICS. I'm guessing it was because it was in some ways similar to ics (ics (4.0) to(4.1/2/3)).
However ics cannot run on gingerbread firmware. Isn't it likely that Key Lime Pie will need need a new firmware too. I mean it's supposed to be a major upgrade.
Yeah I guess I see what u mean. But I still don't think ICS and jb are similar enough to justify the use of the same firmware. Then again I don't know that much detail about the developmental level so u could very much be right.
All we can do is wait and see I guess. Hopefully there is no extra firmware needed though.
Honeycomb and ICS look similar and are 3.0 and 4.0
Froyo and GB look similar as well and are 2.2 and 2.3
So hard to say really
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Yeah I guess I see what u mean. But I still don't think ICS and jb are similar enough to justify the use of the same firmware. Then again I don't know that much detail about the developmental level so u could very much be right.
All we can do is wait and see I guess. Hopefully there is no extra firmware needed though.
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Well I really hope Sensation gets Key Lime Pie. Fingers Crossed
Huh... tough one.
We just recently got the working JB (Sense) rom thanx to SebastianFM's kernel (Search for Revelation rom) which is great for th efirst release.
and as far as I know it was a preatty tough task to accomplish.
So, I belive, that IF we get the Key Lime Pie we'll get it firs in AOKP or CM rom's... not that sure about the Sense based roms.
But like you said... fingers crossed. :fingers-crossed:
As far as I know, it's possible, as devices which did not get official ICS upgrades were upgraded and are working well (for example, the i9000 Galaxy S, and many even older devices (My sister's old Optimus One runs JB, albeit it has it's own bugs)). The fact HTC released a new firmware for ICS certainly helped, but it was not necessary, because when you port a ROM to your device, you build it to run on a certain firmware. If we wouldn't have a new firmware, devs would probably port it to the older firmware version.
What's happening with JB and SebastianFM's kernel is that since ICS, Google began transition to ION memory management and drivers, instead of PMEM (which was used on Qualcomm devices, and each chip manufacturer had it's own tech). Since JB, ION became the preffered solution, and that's why AOSP based roms such as cyanogenmod and AOKP could run, but Sense 4+ (android 4.1) couldn't, as it requires ION drivers on the Kernel level.
So what I believe, it will be possible. newer firmware isn't necessary, as when a ROM is ported, it's made to work with the existing firmware. And for the kernel related, I wan't to believe that once we have full ION drivers, problems will be easier to solve, but that is for the future.
I'm not a dev, that's just my understanding of things.
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As far as I know, it's possible, as devices which did not get official ICS upgrades were upgraded and are working well (for example, the i9000 Galaxy S, and many even older devices (My sister's old Optimus One runs JB, albeit it has it's own bugs)). The fact HTC released a new firmware for ICS certainly helped, but it was not necessary, because when you port a ROM to your device, you build it to run on a certain firmware. If we wouldn't have a new firmware, devs would probably port it to the older firmware version.
What's happening with JB and SebastianFM's kernel is that since ICS, Google began transition to ION memory management and drivers, instead of PMEM (which was used on Qualcomm devices, and each chip manufacturer had it's own tech). Since JB, ION became the preffered solution, and that's why AOSP based roms such as cyanogenmod and AOKP could run, but Sense 4+ (android 4.1) couldn't, as it requires ION drivers on the Kernel level.
So what I believe, it will be possible. newer firmware isn't necessary, as when a ROM is ported, it's made to work with the existing firmware. And for the kernel related, I wan't to believe that once we have full ION drivers, problems will be easier to solve, but that is for the future.
I'm not a dev, that's just my understanding of things.
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Yes, if the sensation does indeed get android 5.0 key like pie, then it is pretty much going to be AOSP first, no sense version. Also, I don't know anything about key lime pie, but we probably need that 3.4 kernel with ION to work on AOSP based ROMs first.
Not to be skeptical, but I think there's not really a chance that key lime pie could run on a pmem kernel. Plus, the Sensation's ram is only 768 megabytes, so some type of more advanced memory allocator is probably required.
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Yes, if the sensation does indeed get android 5.0 key like pie, then it is pretty much going to be AOSP first, no sense version. Also, I don't know anything about key lime pie, but we probably need that 3.4 kernel with ION to work on AOSP based ROMs first.
Not to be skeptical, but I think there's not really a chance that key lime pie could run on a pmem kernel. Plus, the Sensation's ram is only 768 megabytes, so some type of more advanced memory allocator is probably required.
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As things are going now, the chances of having a Sense KLP ROM on our Sensation are low, as the One S currently won't get any more updates, and ROMs are ported from a version of it (ville c2).
And for the low RAM, I don't think it's a problem yet, as devices with 512MB run JB quite well. but a better memory management is always good.
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As things are going now, the chances of having a Sense KLP ROM on our Sensation are low, as the One S currently won't get any more updates, and ROMs are ported from a version of it (ville c2).
And for the low RAM, I don't think it's a problem yet, as devices with 512MB run JB quite well. but a better memory management is always good.
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I don't think that RAM requirements are going to be a problem at all.
Google has already said that it wants android to run equally well on smartphones tablets as well as low end phones, and though Sensation XE may not be high end, it sure as hell isn't low end. So hardware wise, KLP shouldn't have any issued on Sensation.
For example read http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/486414/20130704/android-5-0-key-lime-pie-k.htm
Andoir KLP for a wider set of devices
Far_SighT said:
Hi everyone,
Today I was just reading about Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie, and I couldn't help but wonder if it will be ported to Sensation XE.
An upgrade from Gingerbread (2.3.4) to Ice Cream Sandwich/Jelly Bean required a corresponding firmware upgrade, which was "conveniently" released by HTC. As far as I know, nobody is invloved in firmware development for Sensation XE (for obvious reasons, I suppose), and the next K release on Android will most likely require new firmware which, let's be honest, HTC is quite unlikely to release.
So, what are your thoughts on Key Lime Pie being ported to Sensation XE?
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a while ago i was researching about Android KLP..it just came out of my mind..and i have read that this version will support a wider range of devices, including even low-end smartphones and those with 512MB of RAM. So it's most likely our Senny can cope up to it, as it is said that Android 5 will be optimized to be lighter and built for performance and battery efficiency. it is rumored that this version will make the device smoother, and consume less RAM to make it more quick in performance. i dunno how google will do it but i hopethat said features will materialize and our Senny can taste the new android..it will be a huge leap from 4.0.3 to 5.0. so flashaholics like me, keep a backup of your stock roms! let's just hope HTC won't deny us old phone users this major update.
ichigo_kurosaki said:
a while ago i was researching about Android KLP..it just came out of my mind..and i have read that this version will support a wider range of devices, including even low-end smartphones and those with 512MB of RAM. So it's most likely our Senny can cope up to it, as it is said that Android 5 will be optimized to be lighter and built for performance and battery efficiency. it is rumored that this version will make the device smoother, and consume less RAM to make it more quick in performance. i dunno how google will do it but i hopethat said features will materialize and our Senny can taste the new android..it will be a huge leap from 4.0.3 to 5.0. so flashaholics like me, keep a backup of your stock roms! let's just hope HTC won't deny us old phone users this major update.
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HTC isn't going to update the Sensation XE. Hell, they only agreed to update the One S after so much protest.
But it would be nice if KLP comes to Sensation XE.
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a while ago i was researching about Android KLP..it just came out of my mind..and i have read that this version will support a wider range of devices, including even low-end smartphones and those with 512MB of RAM. So it's most likely our Senny can cope up to it, as it is said that Android 5 will be optimized to be lighter and built for performance and battery efficiency. it is rumored that this version will make the device smoother, and consume less RAM to make it more quick in performance. i dunno how google will do it but i hopethat said features will materialize and our Senny can taste the new android..it will be a huge leap from 4.0.3 to 5.0. so flashaholics like me, keep a backup of your stock roms! let's just hope HTC won't deny us old phone users this major update.
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HTC already did deny us, after stopping updates, they won't update a 2-year old device. I didn't find any official confirmation for the One S Sense 5 update, but from what I found, it was explained that only the S4 powered One S will be updated, due to lack of software support from Qualcomm to the S3 platform. It's quite hard to believe HTC would make that effort of updating such old device. After all, their interest is to sell new phones, and 2 years are about the average time for an upgrade (personally I'm probably keeping my device for at least the next year before even considering an upgrade).
Maybe as an AOSP port or CM, but I don't think we will get Sensed KLP, and I don't think we'll even get it ported.
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HTC already did deny us, after stopping updates, they won't update a 2-year old device. I didn't find any official confirmation for the One S Sense 5 update, but from what I found, it was explained that only the S4 powered One S will be updated, due to lack of software support from Qualcomm to the S3 platform. It's quite hard to believe HTC would make that effort of updating such old device. After all, their interest is to sell new phones, and 2 years are about the average time for an upgrade (personally I'm probably keeping my device for at least the next year before even considering an upgrade).
Maybe as an AOSP port or CM, but I don't think we will get Sensed KLP, and I don't think we'll even get it ported.
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Too bad that even the One S HTC release wouldn't do us any good. But I really hope that at least KLP AOSP roms can run on current firmware.
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My previous device (HTC WILDFIRE) last official relase was Froyo but it runned gb ics and jb (very slow because lack of gpu and very very bad processor) but i hope we can enjoy KLP on our sensation
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Yes, if the sensation does indeed get android 5.0 key like pie, then it is pretty much going to be AOSP first, no sense version. Also, I don't know anything about key lime pie, but we probably need that 3.4 kernel with ION to work on AOSP based ROMs first.
Not to be skeptical, but I think there's not really a chance that key lime pie could run on a pmem kernel. Plus, the Sensation's ram is only 768 megabytes, so some type of more advanced memory allocator is probably required.
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KLP Will be able to run good on devices with 512mb ram
"Officials Said, to run Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie your device must have minimum 512MB ram and 1GB for smooth running. "
( http://www.techcodez.com/android-5-0-key-lime-pie/ )
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Sensation are not supported now so... in my opinion they are not in future
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Sensation are not supported now so... in my opinion they are not in future
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Buddy, you needn't say that. (Everybody's ) Sensation XE might be old, but that doesn't mean it's useless.
If you have any doubts see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2391968.
Besides KLP requirements have been confirmed. Sensation can definately run KLP. I just have concerns if the current ics/jb firmware can support it, because firmware updates come from htc only.
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Buddy, you needn't say that. (Everybody's ) Sensation XE might be old, but that doesn't mean it's useless.
If you have any doubts see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2391968.
Besides KLP requirements have been confirmed. Sensation can definately run KLP. I just have concerns if the current ics/jb firmware can support it, because firmware updates come from htc only.
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agree :good:
Check out the specs for an upcoming phone, the htc Zara. Lots of similar specs to the sensation. It comes with jelly bean but since htc usually gives at least one os update, it's not hard to imagine that phone with key lime pie some day.
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funkymonkey_01 said:
Check out the specs for an upcoming phone, the htc Zara. Lots of similar specs to the sensation. It comes with jelly bean but since htc usually gives at least one os update, it's not hard to imagine that phone with key lime pie some day.
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but it has different emmc and gpu chip
Related
source is from engadget
DALLAS, July 25, 2011 /PRNewswire/ --
Key Facts
AT&T* confirmed that upgrades to the Android™ 2.3 (Gingerbread) platform are planned for all post-paid Android smartphones already introduced this year.
Motorola ATRIX™ 4G users will receive an update to Android 2.3 beginning today and HTC Inspire™ 4G users will receive the update in the coming weeks.
Motorola ATRIX 4G update will also provide the ability to download applications from third-party stores.
HTC Status™ arrived in stores July 17, the first AT&T smartphone running Android 2.3.
Upgrade Details
Customers who purchased an Android smartphone from AT&T introduced in 2011 can expect to receive an update to Android 2.3. All of these devices are planned to be upgraded from Android 2.2 to Android 2.3, also referred to as Gingerbread. In addition, Samsung Captivate™ owners will be able to upgrade to Gingerbread.
Delivery methods will vary by device. Whenever possible, upgrades are delivered over-the-air (OTA), however in some cases the size of the file needed to install the update will require the user to connect via Wi-Fi or connect the phone to a PC to install the update. Factors such as manufacturer-defined software and other device performance improvements result in each device requiring a separate update which will vary in timing.
Beginning today and continuing over the next few weeks, Motorola ATRIX 4G users will be prompted to install the update. To download the update, users must be connected via Wi-Fi. In August, HTC Inspire 4G users will be notified that the update is available and can be downloaded when connected to a Wi-Fi network. AT&T smartphone users can access at any one of the company's more than 26,000 Wi-Fi hotspots at no cost.
The AT&T smartphones planned for a Gingerbread update are:
HTC Inspire™ 4G
LG Phoenix™
Motorola ATRIX™ 4G
Pantech Crossover™
Samsung Captivate™ 4G
Samsung Infuse™ 4G
Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)
Gingerbread delivers a number of improvements, such as user interface refinements, refined copy/paste functionality and speed enhancements. The upgrade offers improved power management that offers a more active role in managing applications in addition to an improved on-screen keyboard with multi-touch support that makes typing faster and more accurate
Yay. It's about time.
Whadya bet it's horrid like the latest OTA for the Craptivate? Even worse would be if it's unrootable.
Captivate 4G?
As a former user, it's nice to see it still being supported .
I guess it's cool for people who are afraid to root, but I would never even consider using that ota update. I'm sure most feel the same way since most popular roms have been on gingerbread for quite some time.
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I am curious what version of sense it will have. If it has a version of 3.x I would try it.
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I am curious what version of sense it will have. If it has a version of 3.x I would try it.
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It would be nice if it had Sense 3.0 but I don't really have very much faith in AT&T. My guess is it will still use Sense 2.1(?) like it does now.
It will have Sense 2.1. Sense 3.0 was not designed to be put on phones such as the Inspire. 3.0 is only being released on the newer models coming out such as the Sensation.
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Whadya bet it's horrid like the latest OTA for the Craptivate? Even worse would be if it's unrootable.
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It looks like the latest GBs are rootable now with a tool called Fre3vo (originally made for the Evo). Hopefully HTC won't hold off on their release by trying to patch against this exploit.
Another pointless update from ATT that will most likely brick devices due to OTA being unstable at best. When they release the source for it then I will be happy but until then. Ill stick with custom roms as I know they work and we all know how well ATT roms work
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Another pointless update from ATT that will most likely brick devices due to OTA being unstable at best. When they release the source for it then I will be happy but until then. Ill stick with custom roms as I know they work and we all know how well ATT roms work
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i'm actually looking forward to the release. not so i can install the ota update, but so that the devs can harvest it for goodies (if any). In my experience, the ATT stock roms have almost always been the most stable, and roms built up from these with just a few tweaks to teh rom (ie inspired ace/saga) are golden for what i'm looking for. we'll see what happens i guess
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i'm actually looking forward to the release. not so i can install the ota update, but so that the devs can harvest it for goodies (if any). In my experience, the ATT stock roms have almost always been the most stable, and roms built up from these with just a few tweaks to teh rom (ie inspired ace/saga) are golden for what i'm looking for. we'll see what happens i guess
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i'm actually looking forward to the release. not so i can install the ota update, but so that the devs can harvest it for goodies (if any). In my experience, the ATT stock roms have almost always been the most stable, and roms built up from these with just a few tweaks to teh rom (ie inspired ace/saga) are golden for what i'm looking for. we'll see what happens i guess
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+2. Once the devs get a hold of it, they can tweak and add Sense 3.0, which will give us more stable roms than the current Euro DHD roms.
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i'm actually looking forward to the release. not so i can install the ota update, but so that the devs can harvest it for goodies (if any). In my experience, the ATT stock roms have almost always been the most stable, and roms built up from these with just a few tweaks to teh rom (ie inspired ace/saga) are golden for what i'm looking for. we'll see what happens i guess
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Yes yes and YES! Right now Im running the TPC rom. No ATT bloat, OCed, a few more tweeks, etc. and its so damn stable I dont think I'll ever flash to another ROM. Im hoping for the same thing you are...a stock, but cooked, GB rom. Absolutely cant wait for this!
Yes I'm glad because its official and the Devs might find some use for it. But I have been using the famous cyanogenmod so the update isn't a big thing for me. Glad to see att hasn't forgotten us though!
I'm most excited for any radio and ril updates it might include since it will be a true AT&T certified GB based radio/ril combo.
I look forward to what the devs do with with it and hopefully some new drivers. Like touch screen, and wut not. I assume it will be nicer for a dev to use the framework from an official release that's for the inspire then the ones they have been using?
Hopefully we'll get new radio/ril designed for gingerbread. Wish I could use the latest ATT ota radio with ARHD! Looking forward to it.
My best estimate is that it'll pretty much be the same as the GB WWE and Telus ROMs we've already seen with some ATT bloat added in that'll be the first thing to get removed. It'll be easier to use as a base for Inspire custom ROMs though as there won't need to be audio fixes and gps stuff and whatnot.
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It will have Sense 2.1. Sense 3.0 was not designed to be put on phones such as the Inspire. 3.0 is only being released on the newer models coming out such as the Sensation.
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That's the propaganda from HTC, but thanks to Capychimp it has been proven to run fine on the inspire.
So it would still be great if they shipped it with 3.0.
I'm curious, will the Sensation ever get ICS? I mean the device should be able to handle it right? It's not like its a lightweight contendor that can't hold its own with the "big boys".
I'm also not talking about ports but rather an actual release by HTC/Google?
I've read that ICS is supposed to "unite" all android phones under one OS so that it won't be staggered like it is now
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As soon as google makes the ics source public. The cm team will start working on cm8 which will definitely come out for the sensation
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It hasn't been confirmed but HTC has always been pretty good with their updates.
Well once we get ICS, HTC would probably have to make SENSE work on it ( cause we all know HTC doesn't want us using vanilla roms )
Even if the Sensation doesn't get ICS through an update someone will port the ROM to work with the phone anyway. So yes, in time we will get ICS no matter what.
Maybe stupid question, but what is the ICS?
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Maybe stupid question, but what is the ICS?
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Ice Cream Sandwich, the next version of Android.
If htc put gingerbread on the original desire, the sensation will definitely get ics. Once we are on the Cyanogenmod build tree there will be cm8
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Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.
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Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.
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Was the sensation released before or after this agreement?
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After it was made.
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Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.
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No further details nor any set in stone requirements were ever publicly released after the basic info about that agreement went public.
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If Google and/or HTC don't bring ics to sensation,someone will.
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If Google and/or HTC don't bring ics to sensation,someone will.
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That's true. But having the official one would save people a lot of trouble
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No one can really "confirm" whether or not we will ever be upgraded with an official version of the next version of android OS, but knowing HTCs track record to device support, there's a pretty good chance.
Either way though, htc loves throwing sense over everything anyway, so it's really not a big deal for me if they do. Right now we're using Gingerbread with a Sense overlay, if we get upgraded, we'll just be using ICS with a Sense overlay...not a totally huge difference in the eyes of the end user.
I would much rather see an ICS port on xda. It'll likely come out sooner, and, like pretty much everything else on xda, will run better than what HTC comes out with anyway.
To HTC's credit, their rom releases are pretty decent compared to their competitors. But yes, sense lengthens the release window and adds months to development.
The Sensation is practically guaranteed Ice Cream Sandwich, but it likely won't be updated for several months after its release.
There were very minimal visual updates between gingerbread and froyo so huge sense UI overhauls weren't needed (they basically just added functionality) if the ics updates are as huge as everyone believes and hopes I'm sure sense will also include a massive overhaul. (For example if the ics launcher includes the 'holographic' interface it would idiotic imho for HTC not include that in there updated sense launcher)
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ICS is supposed to be optimized for dual core use, as well, so I would think that would add a little more credence to the idea that the Sensation will get it.
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Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.
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I just bought a Sensation, and I hope they will port ICS, but my Tattoo is running Gingerbeard smoothly (no as smoothly as in the Sensation, but as smoothly as it runs donut) and it's not oficial, because officially "Tattoo can't handle Android 2.0".
Dont know if this is a dumb qustion but will android 4.0 be released for desire s?
This is what HTC had to say about the occasion:
"We are excited about the latest update for Android, Ice Cream Sandwich, and are currently reviewing its features and functionality to determine our upgrade plans. Our goal for Android updates is to give every customer an improved user experience, which means balancing each phone's unique hardware, HTC Sense experience and the Android kernel. While our goal is to upgrade as many of our recent devices as possible, we are committed to maintaining every phone's performance and usability first. Please stay tuned for more updates on specific device upgrade plans."
Maybe yes, maybe not!
I also want to know.....pls cm will let it come true
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If not by HTC, then you most probably will find some ports or AOSP on Dev section.
If the only criterium they use is the technical capability of the phone (as they say they will) I would definitely say yes: the cpu can easily be overclocked to 1.2 gHz, and they recently published a phone (bliss) with identical characteristics as the desire s. I don't think that they are not going to provide an update for a device of about one month old.
On the other hand: many people will consider switching to a new device if they don't update it.
We'll just have to wait for an official statement, I'm afraid...
Looking forward to this coming out on our phones! Looks fantastic.
Call me cynical, but I can't see HTC releasing ICS on older devices where they perceive a possibility that the customer may buy a new device in order to upgrade.
The profit motive usually wins over all others!
Desire S isn't that old, it deserve to have ICS.
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Desire S isn't that old, it deserve to have ICS.
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Yea,desire s is young
And anyway the sensation will have ics so we ll also have our ics
With a port.i think desire s ll have android 4,it s an hight-end devices.if htc know how to build a rom we ll have our ics.
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The challenge is that we do have physical buttons, when ICS it is part of UI. That has to be taken into consideration.
Have no idea, how that will reflect in real life. For example, I do preffer deactivating physical buttons on Desire S and using UI, since I love it on my Tab.
As with all custom ROM scene, if there is not an official release, then this community will take the best/popular parts of ICS and blend them into existing builds, or port from the Nexus S entirely. (I like the idea of native photo correction software and face recognition security, both of which I already have with 3rd party apps.)
The problem is that Sense is so deeply integrated into the vanilla Android experience that HTC will look at the cost of brining that to devices that have already been paid for. They'll make a decision on whether or not it's worth spending time (and money) on doing this, or trying to dangle a new carrot in front of you to buy.
They will be well aware that those of us on XDA who are after the bleeding edge, are also able to put custom/ported ROMs on for free. This also relieves them of warranty responsibilities, and makes them less inclined to spend money developing an official update for our "older" handsets.
My view is that if we see ICS on our Desire S, it'll be an AOSP port from the Nexus S with maybe an official Sense release way down the line. Before then I'm sure someone will do an ICS-style launcher.
Just my thoughts.
Our device is not old.our desire is 400€ yet
And it s the top of the single core devices
I don t think an old device is 400€
Htc have to built an ics for us because this phone went out in april 2011 and i bought it for a lot of money xd
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kylon said:
Our device is not old.our desire is 400€ yet
And it s the top of the single core devices
I don t think an old device is 400€
Htc have to built an ics for us because this phone went out in april 2011 and i bought it for a lot of money xd
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+1 for you man!!!
According to @HTC_NL, the sensation range of devices will receive the ICS update soon (before the 1st of March). On the 1st of March an ice white sensation will be released in Holland.
Link here (it's in Dutch of course): http://www.whizpr.nl/persberichten/8268
Article from tweakers.net (source):
HTC provides users of the Dutch Sensation, Sensation Sensation XL and XE soon an update to Android 4.0 ICS. On March 1 also appears that a white Sensation Android 4.0 already installed.
To update existing devices called HTC no period, the manufacturer has only said that "soon" will take place. The update was on the air offered to users. It is still unclear whether the devices with the update to ICS also immediately be provided with Sense 4.0.
About new features in Android 4.0 version of HTC Sense is still little known, HTC has just announced that shortcuts at the bottom can be adjusted by the user. Recently there appeared images of the new version of Sense, showed that the appearance, colors and screen animations differ from both Android 4.0 and the current versions of Sense.
HTC Sensation spent the last year in June from 2.3 with Android. Last autumn there were the Sensation XE and XL on the Sensation. The Sensation runs on a Qualcomm MSM8260 dual-core SOC running at 1.2 GHz. The GPU is an Adreno 220. The phone has a 4.3 "LCD with a resolution of 960x540 pixels. The camera has a maximum resolution of 8 megapixels and shoots video at 1080p with 30fps.
The manufacturer will this spring, next to the white Sensation, presumably releasing new models. These will most likely at the Mobile World Congress telecommunication fair, which takes place later this month in Barcelona, are presented
Nevermind, HTC has clarified that the phone will be coming with 2.3 and will be upgradeable to 4.0 ... lame.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/2/27...nching-in-white-with-android-4-0-on-march-1st
aNYthing24 said:
Nevermind, HTC has clarified that the phone will be coming with 2.3 and will be upgradeable to 4.0 ... lame.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/2/27...nching-in-white-with-android-4-0-on-march-1st
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Thank you! This'll help tell me what rumors are fake sooner!(assuming the site isn't providing us with false information!) It'll be a long wait However, ty devs for sharing the leaks. They work pretty damn good so far!
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According to @HTC_NL, the sensation range of devices will receive the ICS update soon (before the 1st of March). On the 1st of March an ice white sensation will be released in Holland.
Link here (it's in Dutch of course): http://www.whizpr.nl/persberichten/8268
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This would be awesome, as they would release kernel sources with this phone which might be compatible with the original Sensation/Sensation XE... which would allow better custom kernels for ICS which is the only thing wrong with [email protected] at the moment! (apart from the *few* minor bugs )
I wont hold my breath that it will be soon
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There will be not ICS on 1 March, on XE White. R u blind all? Read!
Update: HTC just wrote us to say that its original press release was incorrect — it'll actually ship with Android 2.3 and be upgradeable to 4.0 down the road, just as its other Sensation versions will be. In other words, don't expect an ICS-equipped Sensation on March 1st... but you can expect a white one with Gingerbread. Furthermore, the white Sensation is already available in select markets, so the PR is simply announcing its upcoming availability in Benelux. Now, the question becomes: how much longer is the wait for the upgrade?
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C'mon...when it goes live, it will...
Counting will make you nervous and nothing else...root it and have it right now...
And, be careful what you wish for cause you just might get it...
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There will be not ICS on 1 March, on XE White. R u blind all? Read!
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Yes how retarded of people not pre-emptively predicting an updated article.
Take a chill pill.
Im seriously not impressed with the way HTC are masking ICS, AOSP ICS is a beautiful thing, so can sense be, but htc have gone about it all wrong with sense 3.6 and 4, I think im steering away from HTC slowly but surely, and can almost guarantee that I will be going AOSP ICS when it is stable!
Oh man, there is 3 threads about "1 march ics", and one opened after 1st etc... noone sees that article is updated? Or even that some thrads r arleady open with updated information? Please...
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Im seriously not impressed with the way HTC are masking ICS, AOSP ICS is a beautiful thing, so can sense be, but htc have gone about it all wrong with sense 3.6 and 4, I think im steering away from HTC slowly but surely, and can almost guarantee that I will be going AOSP ICS when it is stable!
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You can say that again...
I like sense functionality, unlike its skining...it would be nice if they keep sense with AOSP design...
I like the ROM's that are already out there, and as posted above as soon as AOSP is stable I'll be going to that.
On the other hand I wonder what's taking HTC so long, we have devs that do this for fun and they're releasing great ROMs and here you got a major company that you would think have lots of professional devs that do this for a living and they take forever.
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On the other hand I wonder what's taking HTC so long, we have devs that do this for fun and they're releasing great ROMs and here you got a major company that you would think have lots of professional devs that do this for a living and they take forever.
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A chef here has to make a rom which is pre made and stable and tweaks it. If it works for 99% of the users it's good. Htc has to release a rom which work for 100% of the users.
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On the other hand I wonder what's taking HTC so long, we have devs that do this for fun and they're releasing great ROMs and here you got a major company that you would think have lots of professional devs that do this for a living and they take forever.
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You forget that it isn not just a phone software that they need to update and polish, they need to sort out all cloud services that their ecosystem is all about (eg facebook for HTC, watch, hub, likes etc).
I would rather wait a few weeks to get a finished product, than have unpolished system that has memory leaks or whatever...
You forget that average user doesn't want to mess with rooting and flashing and they even don't know about that alternative (and/or care) so they cannot and will not flash new "xda" software when official rom "breaks"...
Very true, didn't think about that.
well, you can press thanks button so i can open new thread sooner
hope they release it soon..
I and my wife have an rooted firmware now.
but somethimes the phone reboots...
i don't care, but the wife don't like it hehehe.
kloenie said:
hope they release it soon..
I and my wife have an rooted firmware now.
but somethimes the phone reboots...
i don't care, but the wife don't like it hehehe.
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U can always change your wife. Maybe developers from XDA can make some new RomWIFE. But... how to do wipe then?
No point in this...
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Hey everyone. So I would like to bring you some discussion here about on what the future holds for our HTC Desire S when it respects to the official HTC support.
The main question here is, what do you think that HTC will do with the Desire S? Will they bring ICS to it? Will they try to be soft and bring just Sense 3.5? Or is our Desire S done and no more updates will come? It would be quite interesting to see what everyone thinks that may happen in the next few months
i doubt very much we will see anymore major official updates ,just maye a few revisions.htc support there phones pretty badly tbh,and as much as i love my desire s and this community i doubt very much i would purchase another one of the htc phones as it will carry on the same legacy i expect .
I think HTC will do nothing. They can't support all the phones they released which is why they've decided to take it slow
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I hope that HTC is still going to release an ICS update for Desire S, but that's probably false hope. HTC has released too many phones (about 5 different versions of the Sensation?) to provide support for every phone. They will just concentrate on the higher-end models, which unfortunately the Desire S isn't. Luckily there is a great community working hard to provide us with future updates
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
wnp_79 said:
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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what he said..... hit the nail on the head with that one
Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
The only reason i recommended the xperia ray was because he HAS to have a Vodafone upgrade. Vodafone's stock ROM on the desire s has that ludicrous 'pocket mode' forced on, and you can't turn it off. 8 hours battery life max. My dad ended up sending his back for that reason. He wouldn't let me root it!
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Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
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No mate, I wasn't ranting at you
I was criticizing HTC for their poor decision. If the XL is getting ICS, we should get it. We have the same specs.
Heck, even the 2010 phone, Desire HD has near identical specs as the XL. Even that, should get ICS..
Silly move by HTC.
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Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.
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HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.
Dont know about you guys but HTC has always been keep-the-customer-in-dark with Desire S. IMHO I dont know why they do it... I mean it came with sense 2.1 and 2.3 when I bought. After a while some patches and fotas were there but when we got sense 3.0 it was some guys phone which got updated made the news not a disclosure or say news by HTC that its been updated and which makes my geeky mind cheer in the doubt of my mind that we may recieve ICS officially
Now about the thing that here are devs that are doing a hard job to get ICS on ours and imo they have been succesful as in there-was-no-way-but-they-did-it successful. But think if theres an official update what might happen then? I am no dev or **** but as I understand that would made works on other roms ports a heck lot easier...
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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.
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Good explanation, but keep in mind, the Desire Z did not receive the official Sense 3.0 update.
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Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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This is pretty sad, if HTC won't upgrade our Desire S to ICS. I mean, Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup--and those have the same chipsets as our Desire S! SE's flagship for last year, the Xperia Arc, was launched around the same time frame as our Desire S, with virtually the same Qualcomm chipset. No way HTC can use that excuse, and they know it.
18 months is not yet up for this phone, so if Google is right, we should expect support/updates till around September or so of 2012. As much as I dislike Sense, HTC ought to be ashamed of itself if they won't give us ICS. I can imagine they're in a bind, because they are compelled to give us ICS, but don't want us playing around with the ICS'ed Sense 4.0 and would rather have us get newer, more expensive 4 inch slabs
Come on, HTC. Gain some goodwill among us. Roll out ICS and the latest Sense. You know it makes Sense
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Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup
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That's the way to go, but just as always magic will not happen and HTC Desire S probably will not get ICS update because of that politic, meanwhile Sony Ericsson goes more democratical way and releases updates for customers, not only "top list'' customers as HTC do. I respect HTC, but the point how they sorts updates by devices is to drastic, just too painful for user like us, who knows what their device is able to do, but they simply do not feed it. To be honest, if HTC Desire S will get official ICS update, then it will mean that HTC is changing their political statement and magic is happening.
You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?
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You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?
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dude, our posts are from days before the leak came out
But thanks for the effort I guess there will hopefully be a strong future for us!
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The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"
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He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"
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Well good news anyway:
HTC announced ICS officially for us!
YIPPEE!!!