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Wiping/Formatting Internal Storage. How to perform a real....(read:actual) wipe.

Even after doing a factory reset....and after wiping every time of cache i could in recovery...my internal storage is still stuffed with stuff from the stock when my i first got the device. How do i actually perform a wipe.

Jamesyboy said:
Even after doing a factory reset....and after wiping every time of cache i could in recovery...my internal storage is still stuffed with stuff from the stock when my i first got the device. How do i actually perform a wipe.
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Why don't you just go into Settings -> Storage -> Format? Or just delete everything with your computer?

Product F(RED) said:
Why don't you just go into Settings -> Storage -> Format? Or just delete everything with your computer?
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There's no option to format the internal storage.

Jamesyboy said:
Even after doing a factory reset....and after wiping every time of cache i could in recovery...my internal storage is still stuffed with stuff from the stock when my i first got the device. How do i actually perform a wipe.
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As well, wiping the internal storage may be possible through the stock ROM under settings-> storage....but i was working with codename android. I tried the "Erase Tablet" under Settings->Backup and Restore-> Factory Reset-> Wipe all personal information.
However, after restarting, nothing was deleted.
I'm going to flash the stock ROM and try to look for a format option under Settings->Storage, and i'll try doing a factory reset under settings-> Privacy.
If that doesn't work, i'll have to reflash Revolver 4 beta, and try to look in the settings there.
But as far as trying to delete everything from a computer, idk if i have to have USB debugging enabled, or some settings switched, because browsing the contents of the internal storage over USB doesn't even show all of the folders.

if you have a SBK1 devics you can use NVFlash that wipes everything and repartitions it and i believe there is a superwipe script in the arhd thread that wipes internal storage

mrevankyle said:
if you have a SBK1 devics you can use NVFlash that wipes everything and repartitions it and i believe there is a superwipe script in the arhd thread that wipes internal storage
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Will this wipe CWM as well? Was hoping this wouldn't be too complicated. This will be a joke if i have to redo EVERYTHING.
I really just wanna wipe the internal storage and then flash a ROM from my sdcard.
So if things do work out like i want them to, I can just use the ICS Nvflash and things will be wiped?
Or will this be convoluted---as in i'll have to use the script, install ARHD (which is honeycomb right?) install CWM, rewipe (at which point i'll have some crap from ARHD in my internal storage...grr), and then, finally, install my ROM?
BTW, i have a B70 transformer that was rootable via the one-click live CD. I assume that means i have a SBK1.
I can remove my MicroSD during this, amirite?

C'mon asus, this is such a basic feature.
If i recall correctly, wasn't there a feature in settings, that if you entered your pattern or password incorrectly a certain number of times, your data would be wiped? If this wipes ALL personal information, that feature would be really handy right now.

Go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1245892
Download the super wipe. Then use the recovery to run it. It will handle all things internal.

Not sure which CWM you are using but in Rogue XM Recovery, there's an option to format /sdcard under Mounts and Storage. IIRC the regular CWM has that option too. There is also an option to partition the SD card under Advanced.
You can also use the the superwipe(full version) script to delete everything on internal storage. No it doesn't remove CWM.
BTW, i have a B70 transformer that was rootable via the one-click live CD. I assume that means i have a SBK1.
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what is this one click live cd rooting? Some sort of linux live cd? Why didn't you just use ViperMod?
How did you come to the assumption that you have a SBK1? Did the author of the rooting method specifically say it only works for SBK1 devices?
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The One-Click live CD was in it's prime during intitial release. ASUS changed the bootloader encryption key during the second half of B70* production. Before the second encryption key was released, B70*+ users were in limbo.
I came to that conclusion because i had no issue rooting and installing CWM with the first batch of tools, while others, who had devices with serial numbers in the second half of the B70* spectrum did. So yes, there is a method to my madness.
And i used the Live CD One-Click method because i was rusty with a CMD prompt. To each his own. It rooted, partitioned, and installed CWM.
I might add...this was my first Android device, and it was certainly my first time lurking around root. It was perfect for someone with a limited knowledge of android and Linux (at the time).

Thanks! I might as well give ARHD a try while im at it! Will report back!

Oh I see. Yes you are right about having sbk1.
Not sure which version of CWM comes with it but it should have an option to format sdcard like I said earlier. I know this because I used that option to delete everything before flashing ICS.

horndroid said:
Oh I see. Yes you are right about having sbk1.
Not sure which version of CWM comes with it but it should have an option to format sdcard like I said earlier. I know this because I used that option to delete everything before flashing ICS.
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The Super-Wipe script worked perfectly for deleting the data, but the ARHD thread says that it reformats the partitions as EXT4. i installed ARHD after using the super wipe script and during the restore (Google's cloud restore), iI immediately got swamped with Google Play Store errors- Error 403 every time it tried to install an app.
Codename Android installed, restored, and ran fine...including app installation, so im not sure what was the problem, but i have a feeling it has to do with the file system change. If this is true, be aware. The script may function well, but its also possible you'll end up having to reformat anyways to change the filesystem back. Ill post this as well in the proper thread...but i thinks it's also relevant to this discussion.
I suppose XDA and Android have led me to my next topic of research--filesystem usage in Android with stock and custom ROMs.

[Q] Possible for ROM to be applied "half way"?

I'm new to flashing ROMs on the EEE Pad, but not new to flashing ROMs in general...have a Samsung Galaxy Skyrocket that I have flashed probably 50 times alrerady. That being said...I'm confused. I rooted my tab and flashed a ROM. It looks like the flash worked because checking the version in "about" shows the new rom. The strange thing is that all the apps I had installed prior to flashing are still installed. I followed the normal steps...factory wipe, format cache, data, system. Does this make sense to anyone? It feels as if some of the rom flashed and some didn't. Any help would be appreciated.
PS...I would have posted this unter the ROM's thread but since I am new to the forum I can't until I have 10 posts.
Examples of this are pandora (including my login info)...email accounts, facebook accounts, etc

are you positive you wiped your data? if you did, everything should be gone.

Well...I ran a super wipe script that was part of the rom download now that you mention it. I'll give it another go but wipe by hand and see what happens.
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jschuetz said:
Well...I ran a super wipe script that was part of the rom download now that you mention it. I'll give it another go but wipe by hand and see what happens.
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aha! I bet that is it, I have heard people saying not to use the super wipe scripts. I don't know much about it but I'm nearly positive that's the problem.

it may also depend on if you are using the full wipe which does internal memory or the light which i believe leaves your apps untouched

mvmacd said:
aha! I bet that is it, I have heard people saying not to use the super wipe scripts. I don't know much about it but I'm nearly positive that's the problem.
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You cant use superwipe if you got a recovery that only reads from internal memory (/mnt/sdcard/), as superwipe will also wipe your rom file, leaving you with nothing to flash.

Goatshocker said:
You cant use superwipe if you got a recovery that only reads from internal memory (/mnt/sdcard/), as superwipe will also wipe your rom file, leaving you with nothing to flash.
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oh so that's the only reason? not because it doesn't work right or something?
Btw does the Rogue CWM let you backup/restore from a USB External Drive? or just /Remoable/MicroSD/ ?

mvmacd said:
oh so that's the only reason? not because it doesn't work right or something?
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As far as I know, yes thats the only reason.
The version Im using only allows internal (/mnt/sdcard/) and external (/removable/microsd), there might be some version that allows USB as well, but I doubt it tbh.

Thanks for the responses...I figured I would skip the superwipe and just do it all by hand. All good, but ran into a new problem. Apparently I don't have the option for mounting an external SD card. It's installed and when booted into the OS I can see it and everything, but the mount option is missing from clockwork recovery. This is both with the touch version (5.8.1.8) and the non-touch version (5.5.0.4). Luckily the manual wiping didn't clear out the internal SD card so I was able to just restore my nandroid backup.
A - anyone have issues with the "mount sd-card" missing in CWR?
B - Apparently the tablet version of ICS installs apps to the internal SD card so doing a wipe doesn't really clear out all the apps. Does that sound right?

Both those CWM versions does not support external SD card afaik. Only internal.

That would be why then I guess. Doh! I'll check around but I didn't see newer versions that worked with the tf 101. Thanks for the reply!
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I use cwm 5.0.2.7 [via RecoveryInstaller.apk], and I have had no problems, I can mount my MicroSD

Problem With Internal Memory And Removable

So After I Installed CM10 My Transformer Got Crazy
Somehow The mnt/sdcard Now Called mnt/sdcard1
I Cant Play Games Or Download Apps
Oh And A New Folder Created "storage" And Removable Now Contain MicroSD , SD .USBDisk1 , USBDisk2
I Got Only MicroSD And Yes I Tried To Install Backup It Wont Work
Help

eazyscript said:
So After I Installed CM10 My Transformer Got Crazy
Somehow The mnt/sdcard Now Called mnt/sdcard1
I Cant Play Games Or Download Apps
Oh And A New Folder Created "storage" And Removable Now Contain MicroSD , SD .USBDisk1 , USBDisk2
I Got Only MicroSD And Yes I Tried To Install Backup It Wont Work
Help
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Are you asking how to get CM10 working correctly? Or just how to get your TF101 working fine again? If the former, I can't really help you there, and that's just going to be difficult because CM10 is still in development, so there could be a host of problems. If you just want to get it working again, I would suggest finding a different (preferably STABLE) ROM and flashing it onto your device. That should work.
Also, if you're flashing a completely different ROM onto your device (not an upgrade or root, or whatever else,) I would go by the general rule of ALWAYS wipe your system, dalvik cache, normal cache, and if you're flashing files from an SD card, be sure to wipe your internal memory too. This will ensure that none of your previous files conflict with the new ones.

This happened to me when i ran one of the JB roms and then tried to nandroid back to revolver. By default the mounting for /data/media/ which is the internal memory is supposed to be at /sdcard/, but for some reason it got switched to /storage/sdcard0/. Nandroiding back to Revolver didn't help as the change was to something before the rom, so even twrp was acting funny because the mountings were present there also.
After some confusion i flashed superwipe lite and all was well. I ran lite since its supposed to leave /data/media/ alone, while reparitioning the rest of the system, so i thought that at some point its got to change the mountings back to the way it was supposed to be in HC and ICS.
Now if i could only remember where those mountings were originally saved i can just go in there and edit the file directly if this happens again.
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But If I Super Wip My File Will Be Gone No?
And Im Trying To Get My TF101 Back To Work In ICS Rom Too
By The Sorry For My English

eazyscript said:
But If I Super Wip My File Will Be Gone No?
And Im Trying To Get My TF101 Back To Work In ICS Rom Too
By The Sorry For My English
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What recovery manager are you using? And are you loading your flash packages on a MicroSD or the internal memory?

If you are on jb and want to restore an ics rom you cant...from jb to ics yoj couldnt... but from ics to jb yes
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I'm Using Clockwork
I Restored To My Old Mega-tron ICS Rom And Nothing Changed
I'm Loading Form Internal Memory
Help I Need To Finish School Project But I Cant Access To The Files

eazyscript said:
I'm Using Clockwork
I Restored To My Old Mega-tron ICS Rom And Nothing Changed
I'm Loading Form Internal Memory
Help I Need To Finish School Project But I Cant Access To The Files
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Here's what I would suggest (assuming you have a microSD card):
Load your ROM of choice onto a microSD card and Team Win Recovery Project (TWRP) to your internal memory. Reboot into recovery and flash the TWRP .zip to install it, and then reboot back into recovery. After that, go to "Wipe" and run Wipe Cache, Wipe Dalvik Cache, Factory Reset, and System, and DO NOT REBOOT Then go back and choose "Install" from the menu and make sure you're viewing "using external SD," and there should be your ROM .zip. Flash it and reboot.
Let me know what happens or if you have any questions.

In TWRP My Touch Want Work

eazyscript said:
In TWRP My Touch Want Work
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This is a TF101 we're talking about, right? You didn't just flash that onto a different model of Transformer?

Yes a TF101

eazyscript said:
Yes a TF101
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Alright, well, I'm not sure why your touch would't be working if you're using a TF101, but here's my last idea: Go here and do this. Make sure to read it carefully, as that basically just wipes your drive COMPLETELY and reinstalls the STOCK firmware. If you can't figure out how to do that, then I have no idea how else I can help you. I'm sorry.

enterflux said:
Alright, well, I'm not sure why your touch would't be working if you're using a TF101, but here's my last idea: Go here and do this. Make sure to read it carefully, as that basically just wipes your drive COMPLETELY and reinstall the STOCK firmware. If you can't figure out how to do that, then I have no idea how else I can help you. I'm sorry.
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I Got Him Working The Problem Was With My Fingers I Just Ate Potato
I Wipped And Installed ICS Rom(Megatron) From External But I Got No File Manger And My Cable Kind Of Broken How Can I See If Some Think Changed

eazyscript said:
I Got Him Working The Problem Was With My Fingers I Just Ate Potato
I Wipped And Installed ICS Rom(Megatron) From External But I Got No File Manger And My Cable Kind Of Broken How Can I See If Some Think Changed
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Can you not just download a file manager app from the Play Store? There's several out there...

How do I wipe EVERYTHING on my internal SD card?

Hi guys.
I want to start from scratch regarding my internal SD card (not using external) because I have a lot of junk that just needs to be gone.
I'm running Synergy's latest nightly and am going to flash a Jelly Bean ROM (don't know which yet) right after wiping everything.
So my question is, what do I do to make sure everything is wiped, and my phone still boots? I'm kind of lost.
I usually use CWM to flash, so what do I press in order to do this?
Thanks a lot.

You have to format the internal card with a filw explorer or in a recovery
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ikr said:
You have to format the internal card with a filw explorer or in a recovery
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Understood, but what happens when I try to reboot back into the phone; will it boot normally?

I ditto this question. I'm also curious about formatting my internal card and starting from scratch. I know factory reset from cwm recovery doesn't do it. I'm afraid to just start doing things and bricking this thing. Even though I was told by my cousin who has flashed many phone its very hard to hard brick a Samsung.
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Blutonic said:
Hi guys.
I want to start from scratch regarding my internal SD card (not using external) because I have a lot of junk that just needs to be gone.
I'm running Synergy's latest nightly and am going to flash a Jelly Bean ROM (don't know which yet) right after wiping everything.
So my question is, what do I do to make sure everything is wiped, and my phone still boots? I'm kind of lost.
I usually use CWM to flash, so what do I press in order to do this?
Thanks a lot.
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section 6 of my guide :good:

Please forgive me but where is your guide?
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Blutonic said:
Understood, but what happens when I try to reboot back into the phone; will it boot normally?
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Yes it should boot fine. The sd just holds your junk and possible some config info for some apps.

piiman said:
Yes it should boot fine. The sd just holds your junk and possible some config info for some apps.
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Ok, I'm just going to boot into CWM, Reformat, and Reboot. Hopefully everything goes well.
I'll get back to this topic to tell you how it went.

Ok, reformatting from CWM, then rebooting worked perfectly!
Going on to JB now, thanks for the help everyone.

Uhhh....right-click + "delete" while connected to your computer. Or from settings.
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Blutonic said:
Ok, reformatting from CWM, then rebooting worked perfectly!
Going on to JB now, thanks for the help everyone.
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After reformatting, the rom was still installed right? but all your apps and clutter was gone?
Just curious cause I also did data/factory reset from cwm and all it did was delete the rom and apps but all the stuff left over from the apps and music/photos/videos were still there.

uf21 said:
After reformatting, the rom was still installed right? but all your apps and clutter was gone?
Just curious cause I also did data/factory reset from cwm and all it did was delete the rom and apps but all the stuff left over from the apps and music/photos/videos were still there.
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Hey buddy they're talking a little different then just data reset. To erase all that other stuff go into cwm under mounts and storage and click format internal SD card. The ROM will still work but it will erase everything on your internal memory so if you have pictures you want back then up
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kintwofan said:
Hey buddy they're talking a little different then just data reset. To erase all that other stuff go into cwm under mounts and storage and click format internal SD card. The ROM will still work but it will erase everything on your internal memory so if you have pictures you want back then up
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I thinks thats what I'm looking for. Last question, if I do that will my system settings stay, will I have to sign into everything again and will all my apps be gone?

uf21 said:
I thinks thats what I'm looking for. Last question, if I do that will my system settings stay, will I have to sign into everything again and will all my apps be gone?
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In all honesty I'm not sure if it will erase settings as well. I don't believe it will but some app settings are stored on the SD card so you may have to sign back into some things.
If you choose to factory reset at the same time then yes you will have to reset everything up.
One thing to keep in mind if you make your backups without selecting external SD card they will ask be erased so you will have no backups
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kintwofan said:
In all honesty I'm not sure if it will erase settings as well. I don't believe it will but some app settings are stored on the SD card so you may have to sign back into some things.
If you choose to factory reset at the same time then yes you will have to reset everything up.
One thing to keep in mind if you make your backups without selecting external SD card they will ask be erased so you will have no backups
If I helped you in some way.... pass on the favor and help the next person!
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I've been asking around since yesterday and no one could give me a straight answer until now, so thanks for your help, much appreciated.

uf21 said:
I've been asking around since yesterday and no one could give me a straight answer until now, so thanks for your help, much appreciated.
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Glad I could help out!
If I helped you in some way.... pass on the favor and help the next person!

kintwofan said:
Glad I could help out!
If I helped you in some way.... pass on the favor and help the next person!
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Quick question, I just went into cwm recover then mounts and storage and the options are
Format /cache
Format /system
Format /data
Format /preload
Format /sdcard
Would sdcard be the internal sd card?
It sounds like that wipes everything (rom and all) and not just internal sd?

uf21 said:
Quick question, I just went into cwm recover then mounts and storage and the options are
Format /cache
Format /system
Format /data
Format /preload
Format /sdcard
Would sdcard be the internal sd card?
It sounds like that wipes everything (rom and all) and not just internal sd?
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You just want to wipe internal? if you want to be safe, take out your external sdcard, then do format /sdcard . This will wipe your internal sdcard.

[Q] Can someone explain to me the Android File System

So, I'm trying to understand how and why the file system acts the way it does.
Example. I have
/sdcard
and this has a bunch of stuff under it
then i have
/sdcard/0
this has some of the same stuff under it as /sdcard, but is a different file system
Why can I not just have a simple file system that I can understand! I seem to have issues with space because sometimes wiping the phone does not wipe the /sdcard/0 so I am working out of /sdcard/0 as opposed to the base of /sdcard
Any help? I am an idiot so explain like I'm 5, if possible.
Thanks in advance.

n0xide said:
So, I'm trying to understand how and why the file system acts the way it does.
Example. I have
/sdcard
and this has a bunch of stuff under it
then i have
/sdcard/0
this has some of the same stuff under it as /sdcard, but is a different file system
Why can I not just have a simple file system that I can understand! I seem to have issues with space because sometimes wiping the phone does not wipe the /sdcard/0 so I am working out of /sdcard/0 as opposed to the base of /sdcard
Any help? I am an idiot so explain like I'm 5, if possible.
Thanks in advance.
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5 year old explanation.
4.3 and above Android systems implement a multi user file setup similar to what Windows and OSx uses. The 0 folder is your account, your significant other could be 1, your dog could be 2, this keeps going depending how many users are registered to the device. It's actual intent is to use multi user on a tablet interface, not a phone, but because jellybean is used on both phones and tablets the file structure is the same.
Normally you don't have to worry about much of this, but if you came from 4.1 jellybean then multiuser wasn't implemented yet. This would double up your data in both places.
To me it sounds like you're OK, it's going to show double files because it's essentially reading the exact same folder, the format isn't going to understand what you're trying to do because it doesn't really know where to look for your data files. Basically, leave your 0 folder alone because that's where your data is supposed to be stored.
Was that 5 year old enough?
Edit: if you format your internal SD card in your recovery, then you'll erase the doubled data, and your folder structure will be repopulated under the 0 folder system. If you're running out of internal storage that's what you should do. Then clean flash the rom of your choice following the format.
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BadUsername said:
5 year old explanation.
4.3 and above Android systems implement a multi user file setup similar to what Windows and OSx uses. The 0 folder is your account, your significant other could be 1, your dog could be 2, this keeps going depending how many users are registered to the device. It's actual intent is to use multi user on a tablet interface, not a phone, but because jellybean is used on both phones and tablets the file structure is the same.
Normally you don't have to worry about much of this, but if you came from 4.1 jellybean then multiuser wasn't implemented yet. This would double up your data in both places.
To me it sounds like you're OK, it's going to show double files because it's essentially reading the exact same folder, the format isn't going to understand what you're trying to do because it doesn't really know where to look for your data files. Basically, leave your 0 folder alone because that's where your data is supposed to be stored.
Was that 5 year old enough?
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Yeah! That's a pretty solid explanation! I couldn't seem to find anywhere that broke it down that way.
So let me ask one more 5 year old question.
I seem to have TONS of space used up on my SD card, that I cannot free up.
I have a 16Gig GSIII, when I attach my phone to windows, I have 7gb free of 12gb. I just wiped system, cache, and dalvik, and have a clean version of Beanstalk 4.4.2.
How am I using 5gb when the OS itself is only, ~199Mb.
Is there anyway to have a completely clean install? Even when I soft bricked, and then revived w/odin and an old kernal, I don't think it was totally clean.

n0xide said:
Yeah! That's a pretty solid explanation! I couldn't seem to find anywhere that broke it down that way.
So let me ask one more 5 year old question.
I seem to have TONS of space used up on my SD card, that I cannot free up.
I have a 16Gig GSIII, when I attach my phone to windows, I have 7gb free of 12gb. I just wiped system, cache, and dalvik, and have a clean version of Beanstalk 4.4.2.
How am I using 5gb when the OS itself is only, ~199Mb.
Is there anyway to have a completely clean install? Even when I soft bricked, and then revived w/odin and an old kernal, I don't think it was totally clean.
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Yup! I just told you in my post edit, left that out by accident.
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BadUsername said:
Yup! I just told you in my post edit, left that out by accident.
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Thanks again! Great answers, and just the info I need!
So, to format it in CWM. I would go to
Mounts and Storage
format /data
or
format /data and /data/media (/sdcard)
i assume I don't touch
format /cache or format /system
and.. last thing I promise, how do I make sure I keep a copy of gaaps and a rom on the sdcard, if I format it?

n0xide said:
Thanks again! Great answers, and just the info I need!
So, to format it in CWM. I would go to
Mounts and Storage
format /data
or
format /data and /data/media (/sdcard)
i assume I don't touch
format /cache or format /system
and.. last thing I promise, how do I make sure I keep a copy of gaaps and a rom on the sdcard, if I format it?
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You can't keep anything on the SD card after formatting, it'll be completely wiped clean, but you should do the second option. Also you should always format system when you clean flash a rom anyway.
I'd use an external SD card to flash the rom from. Alternatively, you could sideload the rom (if you know how). I don't know how.
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