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I never thought I'd say this about a Samsung device, but I honestly can't wait for this phone. I'd like to think that with Google holding the reigns, the Nexus Prime will not have any of the issues that plagued the Vibrant.
Have to say stock ICS looks absolute pony. Horrid colours, crap looking launcher. Google made a BIG mistake going with Samsung for their flagship phones IMO
Coupled with the fact their putting the launch back makes it a loss in my book
Au contraire, i kinda like that user interface. It's purely the new google style and i hope that we can also have it on our sensation. My whishes are for the CM8, but i also hope the Cyanogen Team will improve the camera in their next release... The actual one is almost crap
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It's purely the new google style...
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FroYo was horrid, Stock GB is horrid, and ICS is horrid. Google need to employ some proper designers. It's one thing HTC do better than anyone else
EddyOS said:
FroYo was horrid, Stock GB is horrid, and ICS is horrid. Google need to employ some proper designers. It's one thing HTC do better than anyone else
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Probably the Sense UI is the most good looking among others but i like also the stock android style, it's minimalist and with some fancy touches here and there.. Pretty practical if i can say, where sense sometimes is too exhagerated.. Both the worlds have pro's and cons..
NB: i was talking only about the ui... all the sense apps and integrations are basically perfect. I could not live without HTC camera app and friend stream on my sensation
Google UI is suck !!
We should wait Sense 4.0
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It's alright, nothing special.
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I actually am enjoying the new UI look. It has come a long way since even Froyo.
cant say i hate it, i actually think its really decent looking and google went to something new. you guys are all hating on the ui google has come up with but how about honeycomb? thats a really nice ui i wished they put on the phones
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FroYo was horrid, Stock GB is horrid, and ICS is horrid. Google need to employ some proper designers. It's one thing HTC do better than anyone else
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I think stock Gingerbread is pretty nice. But they did hire that guy who designed webOS' GUI (it's gorgeous) but I haven't really seen that type of creativity transfer over to Android yet.
Like GingerBread and Icecream sounds yummy!
I think Sense3.5 is more better than ICS UI!!I love HTC!!
Forgive me if i am mistaken but i am new to the NS4G(as im sure a few of u know) & did not see a Q&A for us but i have a question.
No disrespect but i come from Evo 4g & was curious Y there is very limited roms available for NS4G???
I've heard many a great reviews for the Nexus S but i have not seen any reason y??? My Evo was just as good, mayb even better compared to my now owned Nexus. Roms were a plenty, speed just as fast, better camera, etc...
Like i said i am new to the Nexus S 4g & still learning. But from my understanding the Nexus S was first???
I like the Nexus for its size, not as bulky, but whats size compared to usage?
I still have my Evo & consider giving my nexus to my wife for alot of reasons. I hear of this "so called" ICS update, but im sure the Evo will be sure to get it(rom)...
If u feel my opinion is wrong, PLEASE, feel free to share your thoughts.
Again I bring no disrespect just curiousity...
Thank you for your time & patience.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA Premium App
Most phones with manufacturer skins (sense, blur, touchwiz) the ROM makers are striving to create AOSP ROMs. We as Nexus owners already have this. The ROMS you see are mainly tweaks to AOSP with the 2 main exceptions being CM7 and MIUI.
So we don't need the same amount as the other phones. Quality over quantity in these parts Hope that helped and answered your question
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Most phones with manufacturer skins (sense, blur, touchwiz) the ROM makers are striving to create AOSP ROMs. We as Nexus owners already have this. The ROMS you see are mainly tweaks to AOSP with the 2 main exceptions being CM7 and MIUI.
So we don't need the same amount as the other phones. Quality over quantity in these parts Hope that helped and answered your question
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Here's a good question, I'm sure its been asked many times and ill probably answer it myself, but I'm looking to get the ns4g soon. Can the ns4g run any roms in the ns development section or no because of the difference between the internation and us radios?
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Here's a good question, I'm sure its been asked many times and ill probably answer it myself, but I'm looking to get the ns4g soon. Can the ns4g run any roms in the ns development section or no because of the difference between the internation and us radios?
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The NS4G only runs NS4G ROMS.
NYYFan325 said:
Most phones with manufacturer skins (sense, blur, touchwiz) the ROM makers are striving to create AOSP ROMs. We as Nexus owners already have this. The ROMS you see are mainly tweaks to AOSP with the 2 main exceptions being CM7 and MIUI.
So we don't need the same amount as the other phones. Quality over quantity in these parts Hope that helped and answered your question
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So... no 3. 0, 3. 5,sense, rosie, 3d widgets, etc...???
I know these are mainly "looks" but isnt that what phones are for???
"Look what my phone can do??? "
Yea we got "wallet" but REALLY???
So if we are "aosp" shouldnt we be able to do this(tweaks)???
No disrespect but like i said earlier, my evo did everything...
My nexus does 60% of this... (unless i am mistaken???)
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Well I had an evo for a year and just got the nexus several months ago and I can say I would never go back. Here's my list of reasons:
1. The screen. I used to be a huge HTC fan, but after using a super amoled screen I don't think I could go back to an LCD. The blacks are so deep, contrast is great and color saturation is amazing.
2. The amount of ROM available is a huge deal for me. On a sense ROM I was lucky to have 200-300mb free for apps. The best I could do was with cyanogen @ 500mb. With my nexus I have about 1gb free space and I don't have to manage what apps I have installed (I usually have 160+ apps installed).
3. Graphics. The two phones might look the same on paper, but they are very different. The nexus is way better at playing 3d games than the evo. If you look in the market you will see the majority of gameloft games are not available for the evo, but they are all available for the nexus. Another example is my n64 emulator. On my evo games like star fox and banjo kazooie would be choppy and slow. They run very smooth on my nexus.
4. The camera is better on the nexus. Yes the evo might be 8mp, but its not about mp's its about the optics. The optics on the evo suck. My pictures were always grainy, and the colors were always washed out. Whereas the pictures on my nexus are smooth and have better contrast and color representation. Yes the camera on the nexus is not omg amazing but its way better than the evo (although I do wish the stock camera had touch to focus).
BUT there are some cons...
1. There is no HTC sense. I don't know what everyone means when they say vanilla android is better, it isn't.
The stock dialer sucks, no t9 dialing. The stock messaging app is ugly.
The stock launcher is crap (I have to load launcher pro just to make it useful)
Lack of any useful Widgets (no Facebook/friend stream, no calendar-the stock one is ugly, no useful clock)
The stock keyboard is okay, the sense one is way better.
The lock screen is useless (sense gives you a preview of your notifications)
Yeah I can, and have found apps and Widgets to fix most of my complaints dialer2, handcent, launcher pro, simple calendar, fancy Widgets, widget locker. But my point is that I shouldn't need too if stock android was so much better. Plus all those extra apps bog down the system and use up a lot of ram which leads me to my next point.
2. Lack of RAM. Yes the nexus has superior graphics performance, but that's because the GPU uses a lot of the RAM up, they should have put in a little more to compensate for it.
But despite my complaints, I'd still never switch back to my evo.
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So... no 3. 0, 3. 5,sense, rosie, 3d widgets, etc...???
I know these are mainly "looks" but isnt that what phones are for???
"Look what my phone can do??? "
Yea we got "wallet" but REALLY???
So if we are "aosp" shouldnt we be able to do this(tweaks)???
No disrespect but like i said earlier, my evo did everything...
My nexus does 60% of this... (unless i am mistaken???)
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA Premium App
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The Nexus S is guaranteed to be first (or at least in the first group) to receive an OS update with fully functioning roms like CM pretty quickly after, so all the ICS eye candy (and jellybean later and so on) will be on the NS first.
You can't compare sense to aosp. Oranges & apples. Sense roms use sense frameworks. If those phones were aosp phones, it would be exactly the same. Also the evo has 2 years of development behind it. Most of those roms are in the same boat. Pretty much you can either have an aosp rom , an aosp based rom, a sense rom or a modded sense rom, or a miui rom.
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What's this jellybean u speak of?
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What's this jellybean u speak of?
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Following the naming system J is the next letter and Jellybean is generally agreed to be a suitable code name until we have more info.
Thanks again for everyones input. I am starting to enjoy my nexus s. It gets the job done.
As of now i am rockin CM7.1.0.1 Red ginger theme & minimalist red ADW theme. Looks awesome. Speeds are good, looks good, what else do i need? (wink wink) lol
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I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to
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I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to
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That's what really bothers me about the sensation, it doesn't do what I need it to do. HTC Sense is a complete mess imo, and cm7 (which is what I'm currently running) is incredibly buggy due to it still being an alpha. (the browser will crash about every tenth page you load) Thanks for the input.
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I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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lol, that's why I put downgrade in quotes, everything about the phone in terms of specs is worse than the sensation, but I think it's a better over all phone. Thanks for the heads up though, I'll definitely keep track of this this morfic guy.
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.
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I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
I'd wait till the ics OTA drops for the nexus s. Right now ics roms are pretty stable but they are no where near as smooth as gingerbread roms. No one knows how well ics will transfer to single cores, so your sensation may be better for the long run because of the duel core.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)
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For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.
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I am definitely going to hang on to it for at least a month or two, I just wanted to see how you nexus owners like your phones as I don't have any friends with them.
gonintendo said:
I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)
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Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.
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Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.
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I'm on cm7 right now. I have tried arhd, but that gave me really bad battery life, no matter which kernel I used. I tried a few others, I think insert coin was one of them, but none really felt as snappy as cm7. Some were smoother, but multitasking and opening apps is much quicker in cm7. I'll take the buggyness of cm's current state on the sensation over sense any day.
My ns4g with aosp's ics ROM is incredible. Probably going to take a break from my EVO 3d and use it as my daily driver for a while once the OTA drops
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First why in the he'll would you get an HTC phone if you didn't like sense, dumb move, should have got the g2x. It will get better for aosp, quit crying..
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gonintendo said:
I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
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OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).
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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).
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I wouldn't mind knowing who those guys are actually; so I can follow them myself on G+.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.
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It looks like some dumba** mod didn't read my post and moved it from the nexus s forums to the sensation forums. The point of the thread was not to complain about cm development on the sensation, I realize that it's a labor of love and that the team working on it is small, the point of the thread was to ask galaxy s owners whether they feel proper CM support and stock OTA updates are worth the downgrade in hardware.
And no, my phone is not defective, it has one of the auo screens which have been confirmed to have scanlines and poor pixel response times.
@the guy asking me why I bought an htc phone: htc phones have always been famous for having great cm support and their hardware is really nice.
I feel that my Sensation is a bit slow sometimes, but I'm trying to tell myself that it'll all be great when ICS comes out (either via HTC or CM9).
I have been wondering about this for awhile now and can't seem to understand why so many people are crazy about stock android on their devices. I do understand why people buy nexus devices only due to timely updates n all. I guess not just for updates but I'm pretty sure that's one of the main reasons. My main question is why do so many people prefer it even on their devices that aren't running stock? I look at Sense' UI and to me personally, I like their setup of how fast and easy it is to add apps or widgets to a home screen. Or how good the camera is, far better then any nexus device IMO. And a couple other things. Or touchwiz. I still haven't owned a device that had touchwiz but I've played around with the Note 2 and GS3 and tbh, I'm not really crazy about their UI. But the features, holy smokes they are awesome! And then there is just plain ol stock. I have a Galaxy Nexus and when I first bought it I was super happy and excited. I'm running a 4.2.2 ROM on it and its OK n all. But to me, it just feels naked and kinda boring now. Sure, I can flash all sorts of added features and what not but still I'm just like shmeh. I feel the skins over stock makes it so much better IMO. With so many more options to choose from when it comes to features. I look at all the features the Note 2 has and people buy it, root it, then bam CM10 is now running on the device with less features then what the phone comes with. Anyways that's my rant for today. And by no means am I doggin on pure stock or hate it. Just sharing my opinions about what I think is better but don't understand why so many people choose it on their devices that have a skin on top. I would love to see some feedback on this. Thanks
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I have an s3 and if you've used touchwiz for an extended period of time, you'd see how bad it is. Sure the camera features are awesome, but it's a really heavy firmware with a lot of bugs, lag, and bloatware. Your phone will easily average 1 gb of ram with touchwiz. As for why I switched to stock Android (cm 10.1), I guess it was one of the more popular and well known custom roms when I decided to flash. I wouldn't be opposed to trying an AOKP ROM because all the extra options, but I'm not sure if I need it. What I'm trying to say is less is never a bad thing. Well this is my opinion at least. Hope it helps.
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Because stock android is beautiful and clean while overlays like sense clog it up and slow it down
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Personally, I like AOSP, but it's not a deciding factor for me. I prefer an S3 and especially my Note 2 over any Nexus device. Why?
1. Touchwiz adds useful features.
2. S-Pen and huge screen are more than enough to win me over.
3. In the case of the Nexus 4, I like the huge REMOVABLE battery in the Note 2 and expandable storage (yes, they're a big deal to me).
4. I can flash AOSP if I want. Yes, on a lot of devices, there are usually more bugs running CM/AOKP/PA than if you just bought a Nexus device, but it's still an option.
5. Samsung releases quick updates. Quicker than any other OEM, besides Nexus devices. Hell, there's even a leaked 4.2.2 (or .1, I forget) update floating around.
6. Alternative launchers and mods for stock ROMs can remove ugly OEM themeing. Look up Jelly Bean Domination for the Galaxy S3 i9300. It looks EXACTLY like AOSP. Here's a screenshot of JBD running on my retired Galaxy S3. This is Touchwiz. Also look up JKay mod; it's a framework mod with an app that lets you change SO many features, it's like being on a Nexus device: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o7r0xpl0zdm03x8/2013-04-01 21.11.03.png
7. For me at least, I don't like on-screen buttons unless you have a Note 2-sized device, because it takes up screen real-estate. I'm aware of PIE-menu for CyanogenMod, but I find it impractical because it requires more button presses than just hitting a button.
8. Ridiculous battery life, even with heavy usage. After 3 hours of screen-on time and data usage pretty much every time the screen is on, I still have 65% battery life after 8 hours off the charger. That's with the stock 3100 mAh battery and the 5.5 inch screen. On top of that, I have the LTE radio on at all times because you can't turn it off on the AT&T model (the modem is locked by AT&T). And at any time I can replace the battery with another one or use an extended one.
To me the hardware comes first, because it can't be changed after the fact. The software...Well that's why we're all on XDA. Because we want to and we can change it. I'm not saying that Nexus devices are inferior or vice versa; I'm saying that having tried a Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4, I wasn't completely satisfied with them. For most people they're perfect. But I demand more, and that's why I love my Galaxy Note 2.
Thanks for the responses everyone See I personally am getting sick and tired of my galaxy nexus especially the battery. I have an extended battery that's a 2100 mah. I know its not a whole lot more, but its still horrible. I don't want a bulky ext battery. I guess I'm kind of a heavy user. Kinda Lol I don't play games a whole lot other than scramble with friends words with friends. Games like that. I do calls, messages, Facebook, and YouTube but gosh the battery is just terrible on the nexus I don't care what anyone says. I want the Note 2 so bad. I want a bigger screen, a big battery that can easily last me throughout my day no matter how much I use it. SD slot is always nice too. I'm really not a huge fan of touchwiz but you're right. I can use launchers to cover it up and yet still keep the awesome features the Note 2 has to offer. My phone is starting to get a bit sluggish on me lately. I click on an app, it take 2 to 3 seconds to open it up. Drives me NUTS Lol. When I played with the note 2 it was so fast and smooth and, amazing. Again thanks for the responses guys I appreciate it
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Thanks for the responses everyone See I personally am getting sick and tired of my galaxy nexus especially the battery. I have an extended battery that's a 2100 mah. I know its not a whole lot more, but its still horrible. I don't want a bulky ext battery. I guess I'm kind of a heavy user. Kinda Lol I don't play games a whole lot other than scramble with friends words with friends. Games like that. I do calls, messages, Facebook, and YouTube but gosh the battery is just terrible on the nexus I don't care what anyone says. I want the Note 2 so bad. I want a bigger screen, a big battery that can easily last me throughout my day no matter how much I use it. SD slot is always nice too. I'm really not a huge fan of touchwiz but you're right. I can use launchers to cover it up and yet still keep the awesome features the Note 2 has to offer. My phone is starting to get a bit sluggish on me lately. I click on an app, it take 2 to 3 seconds to open it up. Drives me NUTS Lol. When I played with the note 2 it was so fast and smooth and, amazing. Again thanks for the responses guys I appreciate it
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As another ex-Galaxy Nexus user (though my last phone was the S3), get the Note 2. It's like living a dream. Touchwiz on the Note 2 adds so many features, and the launcher is the only crappy part. I'm using Nova launcher on mine. The notification bar is actually nice with the toggles on top. The S-Pen is crazy in terms of features it adds. It's not a regular stylus. The digitizer and stylus are made by Wacom; you can for example scroll with the stylus just hovering it above the screen. And in terms of battery life, this thing will get you through OVER a day. It's crazy. Get one, you won't regret it. I think this is the best phone I've EVER owned.
Ya I really really want the note 2. I just wish it didn't cost so freaking much. I'm due for an upgrade on Verizon. But I really don't wanna give up my unlimited. Although I'm not to worried about it of I lose it. But I can get the phone off amazonwireless.com for 200. Which is great. I might end up doing that. I too dislike the on-screen buttons. Sometimes they don't work like they should. I love the s-pen on the note 2. I think I'm gonna get it Lol I want to right now
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Ya I really really want the note 2. I just wish it didn't cost so freaking much. I'm due for an upgrade on Verizon. But I really don't wanna give up my unlimited. Although I'm not to worried about it of I lose it. But I can get the phone off amazonwireless.com for 200. Which is great. I might end up doing that. I too dislike the on-screen buttons. Sometimes they don't work like they should. I love the s-pen on the note 2. I think I'm gonna get it Lol I want to right now
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Wait for the Galaxy S4 to come out this month or early next month, the price should go down substantially. The thing is, the Note 2 is super powerful and super smooth, so even when the S4 is out, the Note 2 is still worthwhile.
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Wait for the Galaxy S4 to come out this month or early next month, the price should go down substantially. The thing is, the Note 2 is super powerful and super smooth, so even when the S4 is out, the Note 2 is still worthwhile.
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I don't know if I can wait another month Lol. But I'm gonna have to probably. And of course the Note 3 will be out later this year and that is gonna be freakin sweet.
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I don't know if I can wait another month Lol. But I'm gonna have to probably. And of course the Note 3 will be out later this year and that is gonna be freakin sweet.
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I still have a Samsung galaxy s1 lol
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Well for me it is a matter of developement. I have had every galaxy device and currently own an s3 9300 (until I can sell it for a nexus.)
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I prefere htc sense over every UI
My very first android device was the htc g2/vision/desire z (call it what you want xD) and it still is alive, but I run CM10.1, cus the RAM there is way too little for sense 4 (and that's imo the best sense ui ever) and now I got the htc mytouch 4G slide (yeees I'm a hw keyboard lover) and here sense 4 is very smooth
Had a galaxy s between but bricked it anyway...but there the first thing I looked for was a sense port
There was one but the devs kinda stopped (guess cus of RAM or sth)
Now I'm on my mytouch 4G slide on a CM10.1 ROM again, cus the sense ROMs lag too much, and the devs are mostly gone, but I themed it with widgetlocker and CM themes as close to sense as possible
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I prefere htc sense over every UI
My very first android device was the htc g2/vision/desire z (call it what you want xD) and it still is alive, but I run CM10.1, cus the RAM there is way too little for sense 4 (and that's imo the best sense ui ever) and now I got the htc mytouch 4G slide (yeees I'm a hw keyboard lover) and here sense 4 is very smooth
Had a galaxy s between but bricked it anyway...but there the first thing I looked for was a sense port
There was one but the devs kinda stopped (guess cus of RAM or sth)
Now I'm on my mytouch 4G slide on a CM10.1 ROM again, cus the sense ROMs lag too much, and the devs are mostly gone, but I themed it with widgetlocker and CM themes as close to sense as possible
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I used to love Sense before it hit android but what HTC did to it on android is just really sad.
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I used to love Sense before it hit android but what HTC did to it on android is just really sad.
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TouchFlo 3D made WinMo 6.5 great. Sense 3.5 and below is sort of justifiable since GB wasn't exactly great but it was still slow and heavy. Sense 4 was by far the worst for me, it was very slow and added little functionality over ICS. Sense 4+ was alright but didn't add much to Android; at least it wasn't slow. The new sense seems to be very good to me, since it's light and looks good but I don't like Blinkfeed much at all.
TouchWiz - it went from ugly to uglier to unbearably ugly. I personally can live without the features because most of them are gimmicky to me and the few useful ones don't justify the ugliness.
All other UXes don't add anything to Android.
Basically from that I choose AOSP over everything else any day. I love the Holo UI, it's smooth, it's clean, it's fast and it's stable.
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TouchFlo 3D made WinMo 6.5 great. Sense 3.5 and below is sort of justifiable since GB wasn't exactly great but it was still slow and heavy. Sense 4 was by far the worst for me, it was very slow and added little functionality over ICS. Sense 4+ was alright but didn't add much to Android; at least it wasn't slow. The new sense seems to be very good to me, since it's light and looks good but I don't like Blinkfeed much at all.
TouchWiz - it went from ugly to uglier to unbearably ugly. I personally can live without the features because most of them are gimmicky to me and the few useful ones don't justify the ugliness.
All other UXes don't add anything to Android.
Basically from that I choose AOSP over everything else any day. I love the Holo UI, it's smooth, it's clean, it's fast and it's stable.
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Oh I am sure it is good if you like the sense look but the color skemes to me are just ugly as all get out. Then you get into themeing it and notice that HTC frameworks are a huge bunch of redundent images and coding that slows sense down alot. If they used the android framework for instead of having 6 of the same images for a button on top of the ones in the android framework then it gets crazy. I have not used Sense in a long time or any custom version of android like TW in a long time. I swear they could double the speed of the UI if they just stopped bloating it.
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TouchFlo 3D made WinMo 6.5 great. Sense 3.5 and below is sort of justifiable since GB wasn't exactly great but it was still slow and heavy. Sense 4 was by far the worst for me, it was very slow and added little functionality over ICS. Sense 4+ was alright but didn't add much to Android; at least it wasn't slow. The new sense seems to be very good to me, since it's light and looks good but I don't like Blinkfeed much at all.
TouchWiz - it went from ugly to uglier to unbearably ugly. I personally can live without the features because most of them are gimmicky to me and the few useful ones don't justify the ugliness.
All other UXes don't add anything to Android.
Basically from that I choose AOSP over everything else any day. I love the Holo UI, it's smooth, it's clean, it's fast and it's stable.
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I like touchwiz lol...
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The thing is that the android experience given to us by TouchWiz(Though I've never used touchwiz, but the launcher looks crap to me) and Sense UIs have been researched by expert marketing people and psychologists. These people find what an average person is comfortable with. If you're an average person, though no one is an average on xdadevelopers cuz they might never be here if they didn't want a change, then you're comfortable with what those devs over HTC and Samsung give you. They make something that is comfortable to use. Frankly, I used to be a huge fan of Sense in my HTC Desire a few months back. That stopped when I started noticing all the theming sections here on this site, and people's screen shots. That's when I found that there is huge world of change looming here. Now that people are here, including you, my friend, we have started appreciating the change, innovativeness, and uniqueness of Android. Then only we have started theming our phones with so many themes, ROMs, widgets, and what-not. A cousin of mine has a galaxy S2, and he is still using the default wallpaper on his S2, just because he's an average user. When people join xda, they are thinking of a revolution, a change.
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The thing is that the android experience given to us by TouchWiz(Though I've never used touchwiz, but the launcher looks crap to me) and Sense UIs have been researched by expert marketing people and psychologists. These people find what an average person is comfortable with. If you're an average person, though no one is an average on xdadevelopers cuz they might never be here if they didn't want a change, then you're comfortable with what those devs over HTC and Samsung give you. They make something that is comfortable to use. Frankly, I used to be a huge fan of Sense in my HTC Desire a few months back. That stopped when I started noticing all the theming sections here on this site, and people's screen shots. That's when I found that there is huge world of change looming here. Now that people are here, including you, my friend, we have started appreciating the change, innovativeness, and uniqueness of Android. Then only we have started theming our phones with so many themes, ROMs, widgets, and what-not. A cousin of mine has a galaxy S2, and he is still using the default wallpaper on his S2, just because he's an average user. When people join xda, they are thinking of a revolution, a change.
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Well I'm no average user in fact I even build aokp and I'm running CyanogenMod 10.1 but touchwi just seems fluid to me idk why
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I think it all comes down to what people prefer personally. That's why I love android and all the options to choose from. But honestly, hardly any main consumers out there that don't know about rooting n all that, don't really care or know perhaps, about theming ect ect. They just want what either everyone else has, (IPhone) and now the s3 or Note 2 or big screen and oh awesome it can do this and that. Not much do people wonder about processors this 1080ppi that Lol. There is a lot more people that don't care about that stuff then there are people who are here on XDA. I wish I was sorta like them cuz I wouldn't be so crazy about flashing ROMS and/or wanting the latest and greatest phone Lol. But I'm proud to be a bit of a nerd and knowing what I have and how good(or bad) my device is.
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I think it all comes down to what people prefer personally. That's why I love android and all the options to choose from. But honestly, hardly any main consumers out there that don't know about rooting n all that, don't really care or know perhaps, about theming ect ect. They just want what either everyone else has, (IPhone) and now the s3 or Note 2 or big screen and oh awesome it can do this and that. Not much do people wonder about processors this 1080ppi that Lol. There is a lot more people that don't care about that stuff then there are people who are here on XDA. I wish I was sorta like them cuz I wouldn't be so crazy about flashing ROMS and/or wanting the latest and greatest phone Lol. But I'm proud to be a bit of a nerd and knowing what I have and how good(or bad) my device is.
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You are right. We here make up less then 1% of the people that use android. Just have to wait for the hype to die down and then people will go back to their iphones soon enough.
Quick back story: I'm an Android lover for many years who recently finally went Nexus 4 on T-Mobile and I'm very, very happy. To the point where, for the first time ever, I'm running my phone WITHOUT root. Insane, right? But it just works well enough for me that I don't need it. My last phone, a Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch, was utterly awful on custom ROMs, and at least at the point where I gave up on it, CM builds were still buggy and, most importantly, had horrible battery life.
Current situation: My girlfriend has an iPhone 3GS that she had on AT&T, but just switched to Straight Talk with (using the AT&T SIM that came in my starter pack; I just left them for T-Mobile directly, but she can't do that until she gets a phone compatible with their 3G). She's sick of it and ready to go Android. But she hates, hates, hates the trend of large-screen phones, and isn't interested in spending money on something just to try to get used to it. She's played with my 4.7" screen and finds it absurdly large. Yes, yes, I know, if she uses it for a while she'll surely get used to it, right? She claims no, and I'm not about to be a patronizing ass by trying to tell her she's wrong about her own opinions. So whatever the case, it looks like probably the smallest screen that exists on any phones that aren't crap is 4.3". And it looks like the last good 4.3" phone to hit the US with T-Mobile compatibility is the HTC One S. The Mini currently looks as though it's headed only to AT&T, so that's out.
Now I know the One S is locked forever in 4.1 as far as HTC is concerned. And I know 4.1 really isn't that bad, all said and done. And I know some people like Sense. But I also know I never truly LOVED an Android phone until I got the real stock experience. And I'd love her to have that pure Android experience as well. Or an augmented, improved version of it in CM or AOKP or whatever. But point is, I'd like to make sure that if we get her this phone, it might be possible to switch her to an AOSP experience that's going to be at least as solid as the phone's own stock build.
So here's the question: How, honestly, is the HTC One S fairing in this regard? How good are the AOSP-based ROMs for it as far as stability and especially battery life? My girlfriend really derided the battery life of my SGSII, but has been impressed with my Nexus 4. And while she's not a technophobe by any means, I don't want her to have to constantly tinker and monkey with it like we do. I just want it to work for her. Are any AOSP-based, or AOSP-equivalent ROMs going to provide that on this phone?
Thanks.
AOSP is plenty. Team Cyanogen are also working on Jelly Bean v3 as well for it. There is well over ten different AOSP ROMs, most of them made by $droyd$. I recommend Illusions over all other ROMs on here, or if she fancies Sense 5, she should try my ROM it's called CharmanDroid, it really takes advantage of the deep contracts and rich colours on this screen.
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AOSP is plenty. Team Cyanogen are also working on Jelly Bean v3 as well for it. There is well over ten different AOSP ROMs, most of them made by $droyd$. I recommend Illusions over all other ROMs on here, or if she fancies Sense 5, she should try my ROM it's called CharmanDroid, it really takes advantage of the deep contracts and rich colours on this screen.
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Really love that last sentence :
really takes advantage of the deep contracts and rich colours on this screen.
Our screen is so crap lol! It's something like 960*540 no such thing as rich colours on this display lol... Terrible pentile blue tint
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The camera in aosp is just not usable. Tried 4.3 cam. Its just rediculously Bad. Just try it. Makes my daily a sense Rom..... Sadly
If you don't need the camera, aosp is okay, very clean, fast, smooth and with 4.3 nightlys somewhat stable.
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Really love that last sentence :
really takes advantage of the deep contracts and rich colours on this screen.
Our screen is so crap lol! It's something like 960*540 no such thing as rich colours on this display lol... Terrible pentile blue tint
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The greens are good on it, but you know, all salesmen will make their product sound better than it actually is. Despite the fact this is HTC's fault and not mine. :silly:
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I am very happy with the phone hardware & form factor. I am also very happy with the usability and stability of CM 10.2. Currently using a stripped down/modified version of it called Codename Lungo. I would recommend CM 10.2 as a daily driver.
as a music lover, i can tell you: the earphone-audio performance on every aosp based rom is crap, not even close to the performance on sense-based roms.
I've always liked aosp better on every phone I've had, but on this one the camera and music sound quality on headphones is so much worse on aosp that I'm probably staying on sense.
Not only that I can't stand the lock screen delay on all the aosp roms since the 3.4 kernel.
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This is good feedback overall. I really appreciate it, guys. The last two, in particular, tell me AOSP likely won't be for her, as she does want to use it for music a lot.
So how tolerable, really, is stock? And I'm asking this especially of anyone who prefers AOSP/CM10. I'm not in the mood to put her through all the aches and pains of custom ROMs, so for me it was pretty much going to be stock Sense (stuck at 4.1, although at least it's Jelly Bean) or a really solid AOSP ROM. We're all a different breed; we enjoy tinkering, and get a thrill from updated ROM versions, bug testing, and tweaking. But most people who don't build their own computers and watch Google's press conferences livestreamed over their phones and surreptitiously patched through their Bluetooth headsets so people can't see they're not working, just want something that works. And especially since this'll be her first Android phone, I want the experience to be one that doesn't have her bringing me the phone to troubleshoot every few days.
AOSP audio is greatly improved using CM DSP Manager. Stock camera is much better than AOSP. Sense is quite tolerable and a must if you want essentially zero issues. With stock you just may want to disable a lot of the bloatware that is installed by default.
Dsp manager still didn't give me audio quality that was good enough for me.
Stock for me would have been fine except that I wanted to change the looks. Now I use Source which is a stock based rom with audio quality tweaks and apps and no bloatware. I have an inverted theme so now it looks the way I want and is stable and fast enough.
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Dsp manager still didn't give me audio quality that was good enough for me.
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even with dsp manager or "ultimate one sound" the performance was not even close to stock.
Well personally I would point out another perspective. I am a person always after best price/performance devices either on mobile side and computer side. And I was also looking for a device which can be usable with one hand. HTC One S was the device that struck me with price/performance (S4 variant of course) build quality etc. it really worth every single franks I paid for it. But there is an issue. If your girlfriend wants a mobil which she can use with one hand, although HOS seems best bet you can get it's fairly hard to use with only one hand. most of the time you need the help of other hand. And if you already had to use two hands why to narrow your selection? Another thing: It's really hard to use it without a case which provides a firm grip. otherwise our phone is as slippery as a fish.