http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/17/us-samsung-shin-idUKBRE95G05I20130617
Reuters) - Samsung Electronics Co plans to sell a variation of its flagship Galaxy S4 smartphone that will transmit data at nearly twice the normal speed, the head of its mobile business said on Monday.
J.K. Shin, also co-chief executive of the world's biggest technology firm by revenue, said the phone would be sold in South Korea as early as this month.
Samsung was in talks with several overseas carriers to take the phone, Shin told Reuters in an interview at Samsung's headquarters in Suwon, just south of Seoul. He declined to name the carriers.
"We'll be the first with the commercial launch of the advanced 4G version of the smartphone," Shin said.
The new S4 will use LTE-Advanced 4G technology, an upgrade from conventional 4G called LTE, or long term evolution. LTE-Advanced offers data transmission at up to twice the normal 4G speed. The phones will be powered by Qualcomm chips.
A movie download that takes 3 minutes with conventional 4G would take slightly more than 1 minute, Samsung said.
Samsung's shares have lost almost $20 billion since June 7 after analysts cut forecasts for Galaxy S4 sales by as much as 30 percent on industry data that showed the high-end smartphone market was getting saturated.
The same problem is hitting sales of the iPhone 5, made by Samsung rival Apple Inc.
Samsung's market capitalization is still a hefty $195 billion. Its shares closed down 0.2 percent on Monday.
Shin showed little concern about sales prospects for the S4, which hit stores in late April. The mobile devices division is the company's biggest profit generator.
"S4 sales remain strong. It's selling far stronger than the (Galaxy) S III ... and the new LTE-Advanced (4G) phone will be another addition to our high-end segment offerings that ensure healthy profit margins," Shin said.
Shin declined to provide forecasts for S4 sales. He said the new S4 would be slightly more expensive than the current one.
The South Korean firm hopes the addition of hardware offerings such as faster data transmission, along with its widely anticipated move to introduce models with unbreakable or flexible displays, will help it protect margin growth.
"As operators seek to provide more data-centric mobile services, I think this will become mainstream 4G technology globally in the coming years," Shin said.
Shin also said sales of Samsung's tablet products in the U.S. market jumped 3.3 times since it installed brand shops within Best Buy's stores in April, and is now considering expanding the format in Latin America and Britain. Samsung declined to name potential retailers.
EYES ON NETWORK BUSINESS
Having conquered the smartphone market that Apple virtually created with the iconic iPhone in 2007, Samsung is seeking to do the same in the network business with the booming 4G mobile equipment market, challenging bigger rivals such as Ericsson, China's Huawei and Nokia Siemens Networks.
Many countries need to upgrade mobile base stations to handle not just 3G but also 4G, or build them from scratch to support 4G connections.
Shin said the network gear market was one of Samsung's fastest growing businesses, mainly thanks to 4G equipment sales which had been rising more than 30 percent a year since 2010.
The new phone would help this part of Samsung's business, he said.
"Such technology leadership will set the pace for the competition and help us become a major player in the network gear market," Shin said.
Samsung has won some 4G network deals from all major South Korean carriers, U.S. Sprint Nextel Corp and Japan's KDDI Corp and Hutchison Whampoa's British unit, but it needs to crack China to close the gap with traditional vendors in the overall gear equipment market.
Shin said there had not been much progress in Samsung's push to penetrate China's 4G equipment market yet, but it was increasing investment in the country.
China's three mobile operators - China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom - plan to spend a combined 345 billion yuan ($56.3 billion) this year on network upgrades. That includes investment in 4G, which multiplies mobile broadband speeds by up to five times for users of iPhone and Galaxy phones compared with 3G.
Many analysts believe Huawei and ZTE Corp - already big suppliers of China Mobile since only 10-15 percent of 3G network contracts went to foreign vendors - will be winners, leaving others to fight for smaller bits of the pie.
Samsung hopes to show Chinese clients that 4G networks with new technology can be built faster and with lower operating costs.
(Editing by Dean Yates and Alex Richardson)
That's all great, but I have two concerns:
1. LTE (at least over here) goes up to 75 Mbit/s - why would anyone need more?
2. LTE options are not that expensive these days, but are capped at ridiculous limits (2 GB) - so I don't get the point. Okay, it's an investment for the future, but for now... no.
So what?
Gaming is the only thing where this extra power will be noticeable. But companies want to sell as many games as possible. So they will start supporting these extra functions when a lot of phones are shipped with them.
On the PC for example it usually takes years, until a new version of DirectX or OpenGL are actually used in games.
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another s4? damn now updates will take ages
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Samsung are really over doing the Galaxy S range to the point where soon it will mean nothing because of brand dilution.
I'm pretty happy getting over 53mb on Telstra LTE and anything more is just overkill.
I'll pass on this phone.
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now that i think about it, seems really unfair to those 10 million early adopters that a much faster version of the same phone comes like 2 months later
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now that i think about it, seems really unfair to those 10 million early adopters that a much faster version of the same phone comes like 2 months later
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Probably only launching in a few select markets. They did the same with the i9305 which had 4G and 2Gb ram.
please no. give us a break
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now that i think about it, seems really unfair to those 10 million early adopters that a much faster version of the same phone comes like 2 months later
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Why would it be unfair? The current version does not support LTE Advance, so in the only market so far that does (Korea), they are releasing a new one. It's like releasing an LTE Nexus 4 after the regular one, there's nothing unfair about it.
Now if specs will change from Exynos 5 Octo to SD800, blame the Exynos team that so messed up the 5410 chipset that they are stopping manufacturing it, so the LTE Advance gets the next best SoC. Again, nothing unfair, just the reality.
As per sammobile........ "The new galaxy s4 will support LTE-advanced and will be powered by qualcomm's Snapdragon 800 CPU that will make the already fast Galaxy S4, faster with up to twice the normal 4g speed and higher clock speed".
Samsungg has done it again just like the i9305. Dammit.... I wish this was the one that was released instead of the s600 if they really wanted to be king thats what they should of done from day Because no one yet had the s800 .. arghhhh...
But so far i think its only being released in there home country not sure about the rest if the world.
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Well the UK won't get it that for sure, we only have one network atm that 4G & that still patchy.
Maybe 2015 we see the the S6 with advance 4G as standard, but there still no saying we have any network by then that support it, were pretty slow on the uptake in the UK.
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Well the UK won't get it that for sure, we only have one network atm that 4G & that still patchy.
Maybe 2015 we see the the S6 with advance 4G as standard, but there still no saying we have any network by then that support it, were pretty slow on the uptake in the UK.
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If it comes out any time within the next two years I'll be annoyed two year contract :'(
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Faster is always better, people tell me having a car with 600 hp is overkill...I say I wish it had 800 .
I couldn't bring myself to go to a smaller screen from my note 2 to buy an s4....if the supercharged version comes to canada it would be hard not to buy it.
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harise100 said:
So what?
Gaming is the only thing where this extra power will be noticeable. But companies want to sell as many games as possible. So they will start supporting these extra functions when a lot of phones are shipped with them.
On the PC for example it usually takes years, until a new version of DirectX or OpenGL are actually used in games.
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The article is about network speed, not CPU power. Current LTE speeds provide WAY more bandwidth than is needed for even the most demanding online games.
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The article is about network speed, not CPU power. Current LTE speeds provide WAY more bandwidth than is needed for even the most demanding online games.
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My point still stands.
There is always newer and faster technologie as time goes on. Until they become mainstream it takes a while.
Last year they already sold SGS3 with LTE, but where I live, there is still no LTE in sight.
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Faster is always better, people tell me having a car with 600 hp is overkill...I say I wish it had 800 .
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Yes, but you see, a car with 800 hp can't do anything more or better than a car with 600 hp. Except be marginally faster.
With a 100 hp car, however... that margin becomes great as the Great Wall of China.
The only thing this new S4 is is an investment into the future. It certainly won't make the I9500/I9505 obsolete or archaic.
I think that the 4g network will be able to handle this advance 4g im guessing here but I really dont think they have to change all that much with the towers again I think 4g advance is something like 3g to 3g +..... it wont be much to have to turn it on with current 4g (assuming)... my main point is the s800 was ready month or 2 before the s4 was released they should of just used the best of the best from the start then by the time s5 comes something better will be out
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Yes, but you see, a car with 800 hp can't do anything more or better than a car with 600 hp. Except be marginally faster.
With a 100 hp car, however... that margin becomes great as the Great Wall of China.
The only thing this new S4 is is an investment into the future. It certainly won't make the I9500/I9505 obsolete or archaic.
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Actually another 200 hp would really make a diff in my quarter mile et's not to mention make the car even more fun to drive on the street....off topic but true..
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My point still stands.
There is always newer and faster technologie as time goes on. Until they become mainstream it takes a while.
Last year they already sold SGS3 with LTE, but where I live, there is still no LTE in sight.
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Both of those sentences are true statements, but I'm not sure what they have to do with the post I was responding to, or how that point still stands. Let's examine those points, which I still don't understand:
Gaming is the only thing where this extra power will be noticeable.
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What types of games (or specific games even) will benefit from bandwidths >75Mbps?
But companies want to sell as many games as possible. So they will start supporting these extra functions when a lot of phones are shipped with them.
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How does a gaming company "support" a wireless communication standard? What does that mean?
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Both of those sentences are true statements, but I'm not sure what they have to do with the post I was responding to, or how that point still stands. Let's examine those points, which I still don't understand:
What types of games (or specific games even) will benefit from bandwidths >75Mbps?
How does a gaming company "support" a wireless communication standard? What does that mean?
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i think he meant the extra CPU power not the bandwidth
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No - I have not heard a rumor, but am raising the thought.
With probably at least a year before the AT&T deal is approved or not (longer if AT&T appeals any rejection), I would anticipate that there will not be much of a market for new TMo devices (and contract extensions) - unless they do something like this. This should not be much of a challenge for major players like HTC, as if some minor league manufacturer over there like the one that makes the Pharoes 137 can do it....
If they went this route, it would be a win-win for them and us. They could avoid a possible mass migration away from TMo during the period (due to having out-of-date dead end devices), and by letting current TMo customers acquire them, we would not be left sitting by the side of the road waiting on whatever to happen (come on - fess up - how many of you would otherwise jump at a duel core with 2.4 or 3.1 on it?).
If the deal is blocked, TMo would not have to be concerned with customers migrating over to AT&T (as they can do so already - so who else would want to?). They would not have to find themselves so very far behind the others if the deal is rejected (except for Lte - which they will not be rolling out in the meantime). But they would then have the $3 billion deal-break fee from AT&T to spend to get going on it - lol!
I am not holding my breadth on this or something else creative being done by TMo however. It was the collective mismanagement of TMo US (largely by the parent company) that got them where they are today.
The only phone confirmed to have t mobile 4g and att 3g is the g2x.
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I read a big article on this about a week ago...Apparently at&t is redoing their whole network. Basically a HUGE upgrade to take on the influx of customers. Until this is complete, no matter when the deal gets finalized they will still be using T-mobiles towers and frequencies. This is supposed to take approximately 3 years. So they have quite a bit of time to figure out a hopefully smooth transition.
Good thing I won't be due an upgrade until all this has been sorted out thoroughly. Although the pyramid is one hot tempting device....It would piss so many ppl off who upgrade or buy new phones just before the deal finalizes only to find out they're phones will be incompatible within a few months time. Still a lot of questions left to be answered in this fiasco
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The only phone confirmed to have t mobile 4g and att 3g is the g2x.
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Pharos 137 does, but it is a very slow WM6.2 (upgraded to 6.5.3 but still very slow). I have one and am only hanging on to it because it has 2 sets of loaded on-device NA maps and one western Europe set, plus it tethers.
It is also worth practically nothing on eBay.
Samsung were amazing with the Galaxy S line, no complaints there. The Infuse came along and it was pretty much the Galaxy's weirdly put together and slightly upgraded step brother. And as we all know, a hold over for the S2. Then the S2 comes out and everyone's excited. Hell yeah, party! Greatest phone ever made, yeah cool, whatever.
And we all love our phones. And then the Skyrocket. The freakin Skyrocket... This phone comes out a month after the S2. I mean, I love Samsung, but this phone release trend is outrageous. Yes people like HTC release a ton per year, but over many carriers. Samsung has three phones for the same carrier in six months. This just irks me. Please discuss.
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and get used to it buddy. specially on AT&T. LTE is just starting up on AT&T. Meaning there is a wave of phones not far from shore. Samsung, HTC, Motorola it hasnt even started.
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and get used to it buddy. specially on AT&T. LTE is just starting up on AT&T. Meaning there is a wave of phones not far from shore. Samsung, HTC, Motorola it hasnt even started.
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Android eco-system enables this. This is how they are outpacing apple.
S2 came out several months ago didn't it? I believe it was the US carriers creating the giant delay while everyone else in the world enjoyed it for a few months.
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and get used to it buddy. specially on AT&T. LTE is just starting up on AT&T. Meaning there is a wave of phones not far from shore. Samsung, HTC, Motorola it hasnt even started.
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Yep - I think you're right. I heard at LEAST 2 more Samsungs by the EOY for Android/ATT alone. Plus a few more for TMobile, Sprint and Ver.
Guys its not like iPhones where the new phone takes an absolute dump on your phone. Samsung puts their best foot forward on most of their phones. Keyword MOST. the new phones are just incorperating the new technology such as LTE for att. Just enjoy the phone you have knowing that its not out of date yet since the new iphone only has 1/2 a gig of ram
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I meant to say the new iphone takes a dunp on your old iphone. I accidently left it open. I didn't mean your samsung phone. If we look at the galaxy s vs the 4 the sgs had a power vr sgx 540 where as the 4 only had a 535. Not trying to turn this into a iphone vs android. Just using the new iphone old iphone model.
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The moment you walk out with your phone its already obsolete because there is a new one coming. I actually perfer this "abundance" of phone. it gives us options.
I just don't like the fact that reps have no idea of up coming phones but the net does. I specifically asked about gs2 when I bought my infuse and att claimed to have no idea, 1.5 months later and its released.
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I dont think the stores actually have an idea of what they are getting, keep in mind there are different departments which handle different stuff.
im guessing the retail part, just sells the device...
or they are complete asses and just dont say anything....
They just don't say anything. I have a friend who works for verizon and they learn about what the phone is as far as features before the phones come out
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sorry to say this, but this thread is stupid.
that is like getting mad at mercedes, "i just bought this E class for 50,000$, now they come out with the new CLS!". haha
when you made your Android purchase, you have to accept that one fact that the turnover of devices are very very high... If you don't like this then you'd be better off with the iPhone.
Otherwise, think about how your phone, even though it might be like 4-5 devices behind the newest device, is still so much better than the newest iPhone in the market.
People really don't understand the point of this thread.... I just look at other companies that don't release 4 phones for one carrier in a 6 month span. I love Samsung just not this crap.
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sorry to say this, but this thread is stupid.
that is like getting mad at mercedes, "i just bought this E class for 50,000$, now they come out with the new CLS!". haha
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No, this is quite a bit different.
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While I do agree with you to an extent, I think you miss an important factor that is causing this.
The Galaxy S line was 3G HSPA. Then AT&T launched their HSPA+ network, and the Infuse is "4G" with HSPA+ and halfway between the SGS and the SGS 2 lines. So the Infuse was thrown out there so Samsung had a high end HSPA+ phone. Then the SGS 2 came out as the full upgrade from the SGS line. It also had HSPA+ as that's still the dominant "4G" network for AT&T right now. Shortly after they release the SGS2 LTE with 4G LTE so they again have a high end phone on the best network AT&T has to offer.
So while it seems like they have released 4 phones in a year and a half, 3 of them upgraded their network support. They probably could have waited on the SGS 2 and just released an SGS2 LTE, but I suspect the SGS2 will drop in price faster than the LTE version will as the LTE network grows, giving them maybe a $100 and a $200 model, or even $150/200.
I don't think you'll see them release as many now that we don't have any network upgrades for another couple of years when they upgrade to LTE Advanced (and I suspect that will roll into LTE phones sooner rather than later).
But yeah, I know what you mean. I would have been pretty annoyed if I had bought an SGS2 and then the SGS2 LTE came out, but the LTE came out soon enough after the SGS2 that you could have returned the SGS2 for the SGS2 LTE if you wanted. They were JUST over 30 days apart, but the Skyrocket was announced before 30 days was up, so you could have returned immediately and used a temporary phone for a couple of days.
This thread isn't stupid...it makes a point
Their frequency of phone releases addresses AT&T's network upgrade needs, not Samsung.
AT&T contracts the OEM's to make devices for them. AT&T is paying boatloads for each device run. Thus they have an incentive to move 'old' devices out as soon as possible to make room for the latest tier. It's about recouping cost with device/accessory sales and new contracts.
Keep in mind, that unless you have confirmed LTE service in your area, paying full price for an LTE phone wouldn't make much sense. On contract? Sure and just wait for your LTE coverage to arrive.
AT&T got caught due to VZW's strong LTE push and the 'postponed' T-Mo M&A. So they have to make an LTE push in profitable markets and have a device that can answer VZW's offerings.
The bottom line in my opinion is for you the consumer to do your own homework and not rely on the salespeople to 'educate' you. They won't. They aren't trained to.
You have this forum, Google and more web rags on mobile tech than you could possibly read. A wealth of info for free where you can research and plan your purchase.
My Infuse and wife's Cappy are expected to remain in service for another 3 yrs. At that point I'll sell them to help offset the costs of their upgrades. If there's a need to upgrade soon than that, it'll be because the new device will fulfill a need these devices couldn't possibly fill.
Both of these phones are powerful and feature rich so I feel confident in their longevity.
Although, that flexible AMOLED screen tech is sexy!!! I'd love to see device designs!
Kevinr678 said:
People really don't understand the point of this thread.... I just look at other companies that don't release 4 phones for one carrier in a 6 month span. I love Samsung just not this crap.
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then you should just be a sheep and get iphone!
choices is good! 4.5 too big? get 4.3 gs2!
4. 3 too small? get 4.5 gs2! now everyone is happy!
that is like complaining fast food restaurants sell hamburger and chicken sandwich instead of just selling one kind!
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AT&T got caught due to VZW's strong LTE push and the 'postponed' T-Mo M&A. So they have to make an LTE push in profitable markets and have a device that can answer VZW's offerings.
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now att have another problem, Verizon give you 4gb of LTE for 30$
if att don't follow suit, I might get galaxy nexus with 4gb of LTE for 30$
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then you should just be a sheep and get iphone!
choices is good! 4.5 too big? get 4.3 gs2!
4. 3 too small? get 4.5 gs2! now everyone is happy!
that is like complaining fast food restaurants sell hamburger and chicken sandwich instead of just selling one kind!
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now att have another problem, Verizon give you 4gb of LTE for 30$
if att don't follow suit, I might get galaxy nexus with 4gb of LTE for 30$
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The reason you piss people off so much is due mainly in part to how of an ass you are. Personally I don't care for iphones. Another thing is why is everyone who has sn iphone is a sheep? Some people genuinally prefer them. I think you talk way too much without thinking, and you really need to stay out of people's topics if your main objective is to cut them down, try to make every point they make seem invalid, and in a general sense just get on people's nerves.
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While I do agree with you to an extent, I think you miss an important factor that is causing this.
The Galaxy S line was 3G HSPA. Then AT&T launched their HSPA+ network, and the Infuse is "4G" with HSPA+ and halfway between the SGS and the SGS 2 lines. So the Infuse was thrown out there so Samsung had a high end HSPA+ phone. Then the SGS 2 came out as the full upgrade from the SGS line. It also had HSPA+ as that's still the dominant "4G" network for AT&T right now. Shortly after they release the SGS2 LTE with 4G LTE so they again have a high end phone on the best network AT&T has to offer.
So while it seems like they have released 4 phones in a year and a half, 3 of them upgraded their network support. They probably could have waited on the SGS 2 and just released an SGS2 LTE, but I suspect the SGS2 will drop in price faster than the LTE version will as the LTE network grows, giving them maybe a $100 and a $200 model, or even $150/200.
I don't think you'll see them release as many now that we don't have any network upgrades for another couple of years when they upgrade to LTE Advanced (and I suspect that will roll into LTE phones sooner rather than later).
But yeah, I know what you mean. I would have been pretty annoyed if I had bought an SGS2 and then the SGS2 LTE came out, but the LTE came out soon enough after the SGS2 that you could have returned the SGS2 for the SGS2 LTE if you wanted. They were JUST over 30 days apart, but the Skyrocket was announced before 30 days was up, so you could have returned immediately and used a temporary phone for a couple of days.
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Thank you. This is exactly what I was saying. And yes, I agree that the main issue is more than likely carrier related especially since Att is the only carrier that released a Skyrocket. This is what I'm looking for, discussion. Not for someone to sit here, call me stupid, and bash my topic and opinion in every way possible.
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sns-ap-us-tec-att-t-mobile,0,1859192.story?track=rss
Its officially not happening! No AT&T/T-Mobile merger in the near future
Thank God, this is a win for us consumers.
Might want to fix the title, it was actually 39 Billion, not Million
This is sad. This merger would have been so much better for everybody. There's always hope for the future, though. Maybe AT&T will have a better chance with a better president.
Great news...been celebrating since the announcement! And it's a big win for all the users who fought big corporate brother!!
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This is sad. This merger would have been so much better for everybody. There's always hope for the future, though. Maybe AT&T will have a better chance with a better president.
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I sharted while laughing at your satire.
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I sharted while laughing at your satire.
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Shhh!...don't give me away. I like messing with the fanboys and uptight ones. I find it humorous imagining the veins in the foreheads popping out.
I'm happy.
OMG!!!...soo sad...
That was a long waste of a process. Verizon and AT&T control 75% of the market. Sprint and T-Mobile USA are too small to survive on their own. They cannot keep pace with the capital investments of the much larger Verizon and AT&T. Sprint is struggling to build a 4G LTE network, and T-Mobile does not even have any immediate plans for one. I am hoping that some big outside investors (Dish Network, Google, etc.) come in and buy out the small carriers and make the necessary cash infusions. As a consumer, I want affordable, nation-wide mobile broadband with high (or unlimited) data caps.
T mobile is fine. Sprint however is in trouble.
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Everyone keeps saying T-Mobile needs the iPhone and LTE. I'd love to have those things on T-Mobile but not at the expense of low rates. I think most T-Mobile customers will agree with me.
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Everyone keeps saying T-Mobile needs the iPhone and LTE. I'd love to have those things on T-Mobile but not at the expense of low rates. I think most T-Mobile customers will agree with me.
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Customers disagree because T-Mobile continues to bleed subscribers without the iPhone. It is why Sprint is paying so heavily to finally get the iPhone this quarter.
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Everyone keeps saying T-Mobile needs the iPhone and LTE. I'd love to have those things on T-Mobile but not at the expense of low rates. I think most T-Mobile customers will agree with me.
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Absolutely...the iPhone is not needed for T-Mobile to get customers. the HTC Amaze and Samsung Galaxy S2 are more than sufficient and considerably better phones than the iPhone 4S...maybe 2 years ago, T-mobile needed the iPhone, but not today. I highly doubt the iphone will save sprint or bolster their marketshare.
t-mo usa isnt fine, their owner want out of us market, so someone has to buy them now at an good price or at an fire sale later.
Iphone and lte. The iphone is not a network saving device. A lot of people would still buy the iphone out right and stay on t-mobile network. Most people jump to conclusions assume the deal would go through and left t-mobile.
Lets assume T-mobile starts pushing out windows 8 phones next year and they are as intuitive and intergrated with the desktops.
That will bring in more consumers since its a device that works with already most of your home products.
Lte as of right now t-mobile does not need Lte. The technology has not caught enough to have Lte reliable. Most Lte phones don't last more than 5-8 hrs. You shouldn't have to disconnect from 4g service to get decent battery life. Lte has often seen outages as well.
Hspa+ as for now shows that Lte is not needed. Majority of users have wifi at home. Also ping on Lte networks are either low or extremely high. Compared to t-mobile network. Higher ping the longer it takes for the web page to load.
T-mobile needs a better market strategy. Most of their good devices never have a commercial or any type of advertisement. The best bet would be to sell t-mobile to a company with a lot of spectrum like dish.
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Customers disagree because T-Mobile continues to bleed subscribers without the iPhone. It is why Sprint is paying so heavily to finally get the iPhone this quarter.
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And Sprint shareholders agree that the iPhone is bad for business. I'm one of them. It's been painful.
If AT&T bought out T-mobile wouldn't that cause some kind of monopoly? At&T would control all of the market. Not to mention the prices of t-mobile would probably raise. Keep in mind AT&T was saying they'd try and keep T-mobiles price rates which i don't see happening.
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If AT&T bought out T-mobile wouldn't that cause some kind of monopoly? At&T would control all of the market. Not to mention the prices of t-mobile would probably raise. Keep in mind AT&T was saying they'd try and keep T-mobiles price rates which i don't see happening.
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If the merger did happened, AT&T and Verizon would account for 80% of the wireless in the US.
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T-mobile needs a better market strategy. Most of their good devices never have a commercial or any type of advertisement. The best bet would be to sell t-mobile to a company with a lot of spectrum like dish.
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True. Most people dont know. What a htc MT4G slide and htc amaze is.
Sad both phones are very competitve and great peices of technology
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My original galaxy s is getting long in the tooth. I'm due for an upgrade. I was thinking of going with the new S 3 when it comes out, but if its 300$, I think they'd a but much for a phone, and was thinking of getting the nexus.
Do you think that the nexus will still be a decent phone 2 years from now when I can upgrade, our should I get the S3 to keep me until june 2014?
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I'm getting a GNex soon. So it will be even older! Yes, I think the hardware will last
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I'm getting a GNex soon. So it will be even older! Yes, I think the hardware will last
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i think the nexus is better, am waiting for the the next one, dont like capacitve buttons on ics
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Do you think that the nexus will still be a decent phone 2 years from now when I can upgrade, our should I get the S3 to keep me until june 2014?
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Is 2 years a hard or soft limit? (i.e. contract or no contract?) I'm planning on keeping my Nexus for two years, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
The good news is that the nexus is cheap (off google play or expansys) hence good for buying unlocked. I would not buy it from Verizon, for instance; the updating status on the CDMA variants is questionable.
(Also, yeah, S3 hardware buttons sux.)
naaa you guys have gone soft get the s3 or wait to see the nexus 4
i have the gnex won it from a giveaway and personally i think its dog**** if you have the chance get the s3 not the nexus crap or as i said wait for the next nexus romurs are that it will have a s4 quadcore ship clocked at 1.5ghz sounds sexy also its based on a15
I have verizon, and unless the rules have changed, you can upgrade after 18 months, and get $50 off at a 24 months. Why pay so much for a phone, when your not sure for an upgrade? So I would have to wait 18 months minimum.
Have there been any releases of what the going price would be for the S3 in the US? I ready font want to spend $300 for a phone.
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id prefer the s3, because of its outstanding benchmark, and some new features in smartphones but the design nexus is better,
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I have verizon, and unless the rules have changed, you can upgrade after 18 months, and get $50 off at a 24 months. Why pay so much for a phone, when your not sure for an upgrade? So I would have to wait 18 months minimum.
Have there been any releases of what the going price would be for the S3 in the US? I ready font want to spend $300 for a phone.
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I would recommend against the verizon version of the nexus, for the reasons above. Though of course, my opinion is not the end-all.
Buying a phone outright gets you more flexibility and, if you go with prepaid, lower costs overall. As you said, you have to wait > 18 months to get a new one under your plan [and you'd have lost out, with your increased rates, if you don't]. I can get my next phone anytime [and am subject to low rates all the time]. My nexus, for example, is definitely good for this year, but I don't want to count on my prophetical powers for anything longer. If it gets broken, or just plain outclassed, I want to be able to grab the newest thing on the market right away.
(Note: Prepaid vs contract is a much more complicated issue than I might have made it sound above; you'd have to shop and probably have to use something besides Verizon, for one thing.)
Another recent thing to note: Verizon is removing unlimited upgrades (you'd be forced onto a tiered plan), though you can keep your old plan if you get your new phone on your own.
I'm not sure what the exact pricing is, but for arguments sake, lets say that the nexus is 200 with contact, and 400 without, pushy the going rate 400? How would you get out any cheaper? And I'm sure no where near $200.
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eppo12- said:
I'm not sure what the exact pricing is, but for arguments sake, lets say that the nexus is 200 with contact, and 400 without, pushy the going rate 400? How would you get out any cheaper? And I'm sure no where near $200.
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The price differential over 24 months adds up.
For example, T-mobile has a $30 100 minute 5 gig prepaid, and Straight Talk has a $45 unlimited prepaid; there are others to shop around for, but those are the most commonly cited. Assuming you even get the cheapest Verizon plan, $40 (450 minutes talk) + $10 (1000 smses) + $30 (2 gb data) = $80 (per month)
Verizon's $80/month is already $35/month more than ST. That means you save $840 over 24 months by going even the more expensive prepaid. (Compared to this, the puny $200 subsidy is nothing.)
For the t-mobile plan, the differential is a whopping $50, and you save, holy hell, $1200 over 24 months.
In other words, the subsidy is just a psychological scam make you think you've got a discount, when really, the higher prices per month make all the difference.
thebobp said it quite well.
But I'm hoping to sign a new contract and keep my grandfathered unlimited plan. I'd liked to upgrade to the S3 with unlimited grandfathered LTE, but that's hoping that the S3 is available before Verizon starts pushing the shared data plans (at which point I can't upgrade to LTE and keep unlimited data).
If the S3 isn't coming out before then, then I'm thinking I should just get a Gnex so I can start enjoying unlimited LTE data.
Wow, I've never thought about it that way. I always thought those other providers offered a lower level of service? I know t mobile has crap service around here, so you can't be using all of verizons network.
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I always thought those other providers offered a lower level of service?
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"Lower level of service" is just company propaganda. The only relevant question is which one offers good enough service for you, for the cheapest price. And unfortunately, there's no easy way to answer that except to try them out, preferably cheapest to most expensive. Even reviews aren't all that relevant, simply because service can vary so wildly depending on location. Thankfully, prepaid is a natural platform for "just trying a service out", but it does require a compatible phone.
I don't know what you mean by "tmobile using all of verizon's network"; they're completely distinct. Straight talk (and many others) are carried over AT&T and t-mobile's networks, though.
Thanks a lot for all your replies.
As far as the network goes, I thought tmobile used verizons network, because when 4g came out, they were the only other ones saying they used 4g lte. So I just assumed they used verizons network.
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I'm in a similar situation, right now I'm waiting to see what the S3 looks like in the US. If its not to my liking I'll probably get the Nexus, and a + for the Nexus is it will be getting Android 5.0 aka Jellybean. I would also buy it from the Google Play Store so it doesnt have any bloatware, however that is $299.
If you've made it this long with the Galaxy S, I say wait for the next Nexus. Especially with the rumors of several different manufacturers being able to build their own Nexus device.
I would take the samsung nexus. The S3 doesn't offer enough power difference in my opinion to spend the extra money on. Most of its software features aren't that good imho. And if they are you can find a similar app on the market for it.
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I would take the samsung nexus. The S3 doesn't offer enough power difference in my opinion to spend the extra money on. Most of its software features aren't that good imho. And if they are you can find a similar app on the market for it.
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Have you heard anything about the S3 US version being dual core? because i would think that the Nexus being Dual Core, vs the S3 being quad core would be a big difference.
I'm going to have to look around to see when the next nexus is getting released.
my S1 annoys me a bit, but maybe i'm just getting the itch to get a new phone. every once and a while it stops responding to touch, if you hit the power button, and then unlock the phone again, its been coming back. also, playback skips when i first start playing something in dog catcher, and some games... yeah, I know.. i guess its more of an itch than anything else, but at least this way, i can make an informed decision if/when my phone completely dies.
i am running gingerbread rom, i recently reinstalled it from scratch, and then reinstalled my apps, but its still the same.
I guess i'll try and hold onto this phone as long as i can. I do like the service with verizon, and get a hefty discount from my job, so i'm a bit weary to switch carriers.
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Have you heard anything about the S3 US version being dual core? because i would think that the Nexus being Dual Core, vs the S3 being quad core would be a big difference.
I'm going to have to look around to see when the next nexus is getting released.
my S1 annoys me a bit, but maybe i'm just getting the itch to get a new phone. every once and a while it stops responding to touch, if you hit the power button, and then unlock the phone again, its been coming back. also, playback skips when i first start playing something in dog catcher, and some games... yeah, I know.. i guess its more of an itch than anything else, but at least this way, i can make an informed decision if/when my phone completely dies.
i am running gingerbread rom, i recently reinstalled it from scratch, and then reinstalled my apps, but its still the same.
I guess i'll try and hold onto this phone as long as i can. I do like the service with verizon, and get a hefty discount from my job, so i'm a bit weary to switch carriers.
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Have you seen the difference between the Quad core One X and the dual core version? No? Neither has anyone else.
eppo12- said:
Have you heard anything about the S3 US version being dual core? because i would think that the Nexus being Dual Core, vs the S3 being quad core would be a big difference.
I'm going to have to look around to see when the next nexus is getting released.
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S3 LTE will most definitely be a dual core, because no quad core supports LTE.
Rumors about Nexus launch date say thanksgiving.
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As far as the network goes, I thought tmobile used verizons network, because when 4g came out, they were the only other ones saying they used 4g lte. So I just assumed they used verizons network.
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There is no 4g; it hasn't come out yet. The 4g standard requires 1Gbps data, while LTE is capable of max 300Mbps data and, in practice, can get as low as a single-digit Mbps. See this article for more information. Basically, the marketing departments here in the US realized they could get away with calling crap 4G, and that's what we have now.
The much more relevant question is how fast a particular service is in your area (because it can vary so wildly), and that can't be answered by anything except trial and error.
Apparently Samsung can't supply enough of their Octa Core prcessors and are reserving them for non LTE countries in Asia and Africa.
70% of the first 10 million handsets will have the Qualcomm quad core.
UK, Europe, US and Australia will not recieve the Octa Core!
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...tedly-use-quadcore-not-octacore-chips-1140469
So meaning no development on octa core thats sad i guess...
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That's pretty sweet for me. Now I'll most likely get Omega on the USA one.
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So meaning no development on octa core thats sad i guess...
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But is there really going to be that much development for the Exynos S4? I've been hearing horror stories about devs dropping support for the Exynos right and left.
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I have a feeling the octa will be in the note 3,
With the launch event, they have essentially marketed the wrong phone.
Im still torn, because all I usually do is root the phone and remove the bloatware.
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Apparently Samsung can't supply enough of their Octa Core prcessors and are reserving them for non LTE countries in Asia and Africa.
70% of the first 10 million handsets will have the Qualcomm quad core.
UK, Europe, US and Australia will not recieve the Octa Core!
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...tedly-use-quadcore-not-octacore-chips-1140469
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This is fantastic news.
S 4 Development will be thriving for most of the versions!
And if you guys were expecting newer versions with Exynos, don't put your hopes up too high, it'll likely be in the Note 3 as standard.
But it will be incredibly sad news to anyone who wants a thriving Exynos S 4 development,
this includes future Note 3 development if Exynos comes as standard.
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This is fantastic news.
S 4 Development will be thriving for most of the versions!
And if you guys were expecting newer versions with Exynos, don't put your hopes up too high, it'll likely be in the Note 3 as standard.
But it will be incredibly sad news to anyone who wants a thriving Exynos S 4 development,
this includes future Note 3 development if Exynos comes as standard.
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I agree with you. I'm quite happy that the majority will have the Quad core, the dev scene will be great!
Most devs have sworn not to develop for Exynos devices as Samsung won't release sources.
And now that the same SOC will be used in US, Europe and Australia it can only be a good thing!
Let's deconstruct the story...
according to a report out of South Korea today.
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Link? Reports "out of South Korea" come in all degrees of accuracy.
said the report picked up by Unwired News.
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Follow the link and it's to a story about Qualcomm officially announcing the S-600 will be used in the SGS4. At the bottom of the story it says Octa's on track for the SGS4's April 26th launch data. Not a single mention of where S-600 or Octa will be used.
In fact, the U.S., U.K., and Australia won't see any Galaxy S4s with Samsung's Exynos 5 Octa system on a chip, which is being reserved for Asian and African nations that lack LTE.
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Huh? We already knew LTE heavy countries would be receiving S-600. But 2/3 of the world aren't LTE- capable yet. So it's probably safe to assume the 1/3 of LTE counties have lots of wireless subscribers so they probably will make up half of the SGS4's sold. I'd find it hard to believe that 2/3 of the non-LTE world (Africa? Seriously?) make up 30% of smartphone purchasers as the story claims.
The report indicates that not enough of these chips will be available for the launch of Samsung's new flagship smartphone.
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What report?
Samsung's much-talked-about processor is said to be scheduled for mass production in Q2 2013, whereas the Korean manufacturer's Galaxy S4 release date is at the end of April.
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The link to Unwired they provided says the opposite and their coverage is less than a week old.
So, until the credibility of the "report" that's repeatedly quoted can be verified I'm taking this one with a grain of salt. I don't consider SamMobile a terribly reliable source but at least their S-600 vs. Octa deployment schedule had some detail attached.
P.S. - A gazillion sites quoting TechRadar's claim of "70%" doesn't make it any more credible unless the missing "report" itself turns up and is in fact credible. If there's any mobile device out there people are interested in right now it's the SGS4. How many clicks throughs do you think TechRadar's gotten off that story?
BarryH_GEG said:
Let's deconstruct the story...
Link? Reports "out of South Korea" come in all degrees of accuracy.
Follow the link and it's to a story about Qualcomm officially announcing the S-600 will be used in the SGS4. At the bottom of the story it says Octa's on track for the SGS4's April 26th launch data. Not a single mention of where S-600 or Octa will be used.
Huh? We already knew LTE heavy countries would be receiving S-600. But 2/3 of the world aren't LTE- capable yet. So it's probably safe to assume the 1/3 of LTE counties have lots of wireless subscribers so they probably will make up half of the SGS4's sold. I'd find it hard to believe that 2/3 of the non-LTE world (Africa? Seriously?) make up 30% of smartphone purchasers as the story claims.
What report?
The link to Unwired they provided says the opposite and their coverage is less than a week old.
So, until the credibility of the "report" that's repeatedly quoted can be verified I'm taking this one with a grain of salt. I don't consider SamMobile a terribly reliable source but at least their S-600 vs. Octa deployment schedule had some detail attached.
P.S. - A gazillion sites quoting TechRadar's claim of "70%" doesn't make it any more credible unless the missing "report" itself turns up and is in fact credible. If there's any mobile device out there people are interested in right now it's the SGS4. How many clicks throughs do you think TechRadar's gotten off that story?
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Very valid points!
I need to stop believing everything I read on the internet, it's going to get me into trouble haha
That said, I still believe there is "some" truth to this.
And we all know that the majority of countries will get the Quad Core over the Octa Core, simply due to LTE.
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Let's deconstruct the story...
Link? Reports "out of South Korea" come in all degrees of accuracy.
Follow the link and it's to a story about Qualcomm officially announcing the S-600 will be used in the SGS4. At the bottom of the story it says Octa's on track for the SGS4's April 26th launch data. Not a single mention of where S-600 or Octa will be used.
Huh? We already knew LTE heavy countries would be receiving S-600. But 2/3 of the world aren't LTE- capable yet. So it's probably safe to assume the 1/3 of LTE counties have lots of wireless subscribers so they probably will make up half of the SGS4's sold. I'd find it hard to believe that 2/3 of the non-LTE world (Africa? Seriously?) make up 30% of smartphone purchasers as the story claims.
What report?
The link to Unwired they provided says the opposite and their coverage is less than a week old.
So, until the credibility of the "report" that's repeatedly quoted can be verified I'm taking this one with a grain of salt. I don't consider SamMobile a terribly reliable source but at least their S-600 vs. Octa deployment schedule had some detail attached.
P.S. - A gazillion sites quoting TechRadar's claim of "70%" doesn't make it any more credible unless the missing "report" itself turns up and is in fact credible. If there's any mobile device out there people are interested in right now it's the SGS4. How many clicks throughs do you think TechRadar's gotten off that story?
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Well what's the percentage when we do our own numbers? I think we know a good amount that will be using the Snapdragon confirmed. What if we assumed that all the other versions are using Octa, what would the percentage be there?
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Sometimes I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, and have some real contextual interpretation issues. Here's the original article to help out: http://www.etnews.com/news/device/device/2739089_1479.html#ystfuv It contains much more information than the English counterparts.
Huh? We already knew LTE heavy countries would be receiving S-600. But 2/3 of the world aren't LTE- capable yet. So it's probably safe to assume the 1/3 of LTE counties have lots of wireless subscribers so they probably will make up half of the SGS4's sold. I'd find it hard to believe that 2/3 of the non-LTE world (Africa? Seriously?) make up 30% of smartphone purchasers as the story claims.
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Is it really that hard to believe that a $650+ high end phone might not have a very high market-demand outside of first world countries?
North America, Japan, Korea, Australia, and basically every relevant European country is getting the LTE variant. In terms of market size that only leaves out China, India, SE Asia, and maybe South America, and as I stated, even if they outnumber the first-class countries 3:1 in population, that doesn't even nearly make up for the income inequality and the simple fact that a high-end smartphone is a luxury item there.
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Sometimes I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, and have some real contextual interpretation issues. Here's the original article to help out: http://www.etnews.com/news/device/device/2739089_1479.html#ystfuv It contains much more information than the English counterparts.
Is it really that hard to believe that a $650+ high end phone might not have a very high market-demand outside of first world countries?
The US, Japan, Korea, Australia, and basically every relevant European country is getting the LTE variant. In terms of market size that only leaves out China, India, SE Asia, and maybe South America, and as I stated, even if they outnumber the first-class countries 3:1 in population, that doesn't even nearly make up for the income inequality and the simple fact that a high-end smartphone is a luxury item there.
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The only countries that matter in Asia are Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan & Japan.
Others are still emerging markets which means high-end smartphones like the S 4 has little relevance there.
Deal with it people, Qualcomm versions are definitely going to be the majority of the S 4's.
One year later, you won't regret it.
Mark my words.
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The only countries that matter in Asia are Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan & Japan.
Others are still emerging markets which means high-end smartphones like the S 4 has little relevance there.
Deal with it people, Qualcomm versions are definitely going to be the majority of the S 4's.
One year later, you won't regret it.
Mark my words.
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Correct, and those markets combined are still only half the size of the US market.
To have a bit of scale:
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And that's only what fits the smart-phone definition, high-end expensive smart-phones like the S4 is again drastically skewed.
I can't find the quote anymore but I remember that Europe alone consisted for like 50% of the last S series sales, worldwide. Now count the fact that Europe is getting the LTE version in the biggest markets...
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Deal with it people, Qualcomm versions are definitely going to be the majority of the S 4's.
One year later, you won't regret it.
Mark my words.
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Don't be so sure about that. The only reason this situation even came to be is because of Samsung's manufacturing problems. Once they have sorted that out do you still think they'll willing to pay $30 per phone in components to Qualcomm when they could have sourced it cheaper or have that money returned back internally into the company? You might very well see the numbers going belly up in favor of the Exynos later in the year.
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One year later, you won't regret it.
Mark my words.
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Kinda true, you'll be worrying about what's in the S5 in 2014
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Correct, and those markets combined are still only half the size of the US market.
To have a bit of scale:
And that's only what fits the smart-phone definition, high-end expensive smart-phones like the S4 is again drastically skewed.
I can't find the quote anymore but I remember that Europe alone consisted for like 50% of the last S series sales, worldwide. Now count the fact that Europe is getting the LTE version in the biggest markets...
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Hah. Try to find someone here in Singapore that doesn't own an high-end smartphone, I'll give you a dollar for that.
If you don't have one, you'll basically be an outcast here.
Don't be so sure about that. The only reason this situation even came to be is because of Samsung's manufacturing problems. Once they have sorted that out do you still think they'll willing to pay $30 per phone in components to Qualcomm when they could have sourced it cheaper or have that money returned back internally into the company? You might very well see the numbers going belly up in favor of the Exynos later in the year.
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I'm still hanging in the middle about that.
It could either go both ways.
I'm hoping it will stick cause it will hinder development for sure.
But one thing I'm sure, if they have sorted all of this out, Exynos will definitely be standardized across all versions of the Note 3.
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Well what's the percentage when we do our own numbers? I think we know a good amount that will be using the Snapdragon confirmed. What if we assumed that all the other versions are using Octa, what would the percentage be there?
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It's almost impossible really. Some Asian countries have large numbers of mobile users but low percentages of them can afford high-end smartphones. Some have tons of high-end smartphone users but their populations aren't all that large. For example, VZW in the U.S. has almost as many subscribers as all of Japan.
Unless something's gone horribly wrong, Octa would be the SoC Samsung would push wherever they could. It should cost them no more than S-600 to produce (if it does, they screwed up) and rather than giving the mark-up to Qualcomm they'd keep it in the Samsung empire. So the rumors could be true and Octa's going to late, there are heat and power consumption issues, it's only meant to be used in Africa, and it's useless because 70% of end-users are on LTE. Or they might not.
With launch (theoretically) a month away and very little coming out about Octa itself or where it's being used I'd guess something's up. On the bright side maybe performance and battery life is so much better than S-600 their struggling with how to position two such different devices as "the same."
I guess we'll know soon from the horse's mouth.
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Correct, and those markets combined are still only half the size of the US market.
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Samsung sold 60MM "smartphones" in Q4 2012. Of those, only 15MM were SGS3-class or higher. The closest you'll come to markets rich in high-end smartphone users is to use Apple as a comparative as they only sell high-end devices and are who Samsung's aiming for on the high-end. Here's a sobering stat. 60% of devices sold in 2012 were "dumb phones."
So, there is still no proof about which processors supports lte (however I'm pretty sure it's actually separate to the cpu these days?). Initially the thought was snapdragon for the us lte bands and exynos for other lte bands. The htc one snapdragon supports main lte bands (800/1800/2600. Missing 1700/2100/2300), so in that basis could be sold all over, but then wether the exynos supports lte or not, what's stopping it from being sold all over as a 3g phone?
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So, there is still no proof about which processors supports lte (however I'm pretty sure it's actually separate to the cpu these days?). Initially the thought was snapdragon for the us lte bands and exynos for other lte bands. The htc one snapdragon supports main lte bands (800/1800/2600. Missing 1700/2100/2300), so in that basis could be sold all over, but then wether the exynos supports lte or not, what's stopping it from being sold all over as a 3g phone?
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Both processors in this case don't have integrated LTE and both in support LTE via a separate modem. The whole story basically has nothing to do with LTE itself. It's just Samsung keeping two designs instead of three out in the market (for the moment).
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I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, and have some real contextual interpretation issues.
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And I think you're pissed off at me because you weren't happy with my reply to someone asking about black crush in another thread. And my contextual interpretation abilities are fine. If you'd like to chat further about either of our contextual interpretation abilities PM me and we can spare the rest of the forum while not violating XDA's rule about attacking others personally.
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Both processors in this case don't have integrated LTE and both in support LTE via a separate modem. The whole story basically has nothing to do with LTE itself. It's just Samsung keeping two designs instead of three out in the market (for the moment).
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I didn't think it would be down to LTE 100% afterall the i9305 has a Exynos SOC and LTE.
I think I might just wait a few months and see if Samsung release the Exynos version with a Qualcomm LTE modem like they did on the S3
@AndreiLux, as a long time Perseus user and huge fan of your work I was wondering if you will be getting the S4 and developing a Kernel for it?
If so which one, Exynos or Qualcomm?