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I have an original iPhone 2G that I want to replace. I've been waiting for the new iPhone 4 to come out, and I was planning on buying one -- but the death-grip problem got me to do some research, which is how I found out about the Captivate.
Now I'm torn on which one to get. Obviously I'm very accustomed to the iPhone, but I've never used Android. So...
1. What are the major differences between iOS and Android?
2. What might I like better about Android? What might I not like about Andriod? And what might I like better about iOS?
3. What might I like better about the Captivate phone? What might I prefer about the iPhone 4 phone?
4. I've read a lot of comments about "Lag" on the Captivate, which would really bug me. Is it true?
Etc, etc...
I think you get the point of the thread.
Thanks in advance.
The hardware differences are obvious. As far as lag, yes, there's some issue's but there's work arounds.
The biggest difference, the IPhone is a great phone, right out of the box without messing with anything. But your stuck with what you got. Apps are restricted, web is restricted, your pretty much at the mercy of att and apple.
Android, requires more out of the box tinkering, but you have endless possibilities. You can customize your phone the way you want it.
You have to realize that the iPhone and ios are completely locked down. You are destined to use the apps that apple ok's you have no other hardware choices and are locked into iTunes and all things apple.
Android is a complete 180 it allows for so much customization that it is simply mind boggleing. If you are unhappy with a certain apps or feature sets you can simply build your own or find something else.
With this.freedom comes responsibility. You need to manage your Apps and memory usage. You have to babysit a bit in order to get the most out of the device.
Being able to play most movie files and tons of audio file types is very freeing
Also the screen is insanely gorgeous.
It really comes down to two things in the end.
Do you have tons of Apps already for ios that you are not willing to part with?
Do you like geeking out a bit in order to build your dream device?
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rob989_69 said:
As far as lag, yes, there's some issue's but there's work arounds.
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Got a link to these workarounds? This one's a biggee for me.
rob989_69 said:
The biggest difference, the IPhone is a great phone, right out of the box without messing with anything. But your stuck with what you got. Apps are restricted, web is restricted, your pretty much at the mercy of att and apple.
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Does this mean that if we're happy with the iPhone out of the box we're better off with iPhone 4 since there's no need to mess with anything?
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You can customize your phone the way you want it.
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How so? Can you give some examples? I only know what the iPhone gives us out of the box, so I have no way to know what I might be missing.
Thanks.
Sounds Good said:
Got a link to these workarounds? This one's a biggee for me.
Does this mean that if we're happy with the iPhone out of the box we're better off with iPhone 4 since there's no need to mess with anything?
How so? Can you give some examples? I only know what the iPhone gives us out of the box, so I have no way to know what I might be missing.
Thanks.
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Android uses widgets, which is something iOS lacks. You have the freedom to add and remove more than just app icons to your homescreen, such as weather indicators, contact rolodex, clocks, RSS feeds, facebook updates, everything. you can literally have every piece of pertinent info such as your todo list, email, weather, time, and alrams, all available on a single screen, without having to inside individual apps.
Another nifty feature of android are the live wallpapers. These animated, and often interactive, backgrounds adds a unique customization that lets people know your phone is unique.
the captivate is VERY usable right outside the box, unlike some other android phones. Despite what some people say, the Touchwiz UI (the UI that samsung has installed) is very fun to use, easy to customize, and is a natural transition for iphone users. The app dock at the bottom makes it feel slightly like an iphone, but includes the Android widgets to give you a nice feel of the phone.
On the downside, Samsung and AT&T install a lot of bloatware that slows down the phone. You will more than likely want to root the phone to be able to uninstall the AT&T Apps, the only duplicate the functionality that android has by default, and at a cost. for instance AT&T Navigate is a monthly charge app that is inferior to the free and default android navigate.
asrrin29 said:
On the downside, Samsung and AT&T install a lot of bloatware that slows down the phone. You will more than likely want to root the phone to be able to uninstall the AT&T Apps...
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Hmmm, this may be a problem. The sluggishness would drive me nuts, but if "root" is similar to Jailbraking, it's not my cup of tea. I know, I know... most of you have no problem with this... but I've never done it and I most likely never will. Which (apparently) leaves me with a sluggish phone. Not good.
I appreciate the feedback... it's the only way to truly learn.
Sounds Good said:
Hmmm, this may be a problem. The sluggishness would drive me nuts, but if "root" is similar to Jailbraking, it's not my cup of tea. I know, I know... most of you have no problem with this... but I've never done it and I most likely never will. Which (apparently) leaves me with a sluggish phone. Not good.
I appreciate the feedback... it's the only way to truly learn.
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You can disable all of the apps without root, but they will still be in your menu taking up space. I notice it's the Samsung widgets that cause lag the most (but honestly, it's still snappy even with the bloat) once you disable them the thing flies.
And rooting is only superficially similar to jail breaking. all rooting does is install the superuser app that allows you to do things an administrator is allowed to do. If you don't want it on your phone you simply uninstall the superuser app and it's back the way it was. what would be more akin to jailbreaking would be to enable sideloading, a way to install apps without using the market. This requires editing the system database, which is harder to reverse. You can enable root without also enabling sideloading, they are two different processes.
If you use a PC, you can even use Droid Explorer to uninstall apps without rooting your phone.
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If you use a PC, you can even use Droid Explorer to uninstall apps without rooting your phone.
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Dont you need to have root access to install busybox? My droid explorer wouldnt work until I downloaded and installed an updated busybox.
Rooting my phone was the first thing I did as soon as I got home, so I'm not sure if you need to have root access to install busybox or not.
derek4484 said:
Dont you need to have root access to install busybox? My droid explorer wouldnt work until I downloaded and installed an updated busybox.
Rooting my phone was the first thing I did as soon as I got home, so I'm not sure if you need to have root access to install busybox or not.
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Not sure, I rooted immediately as well, I just read about the explorer here on the forums.
Wtf is this lag you all talk about?? install laucher pro and that fixes the laggy touchwiz UI ****tiness...other than that android runs like butter on this device its unreal, i had an acer liquid and trust me android is not the same on a galaxy S its just unreal how smooth it is.
Sounds Good said:
Hmmm, this may be a problem. The sluggishness would drive me nuts, but if "root" is similar to Jailbraking, it's not my cup of tea. I know, I know... most of you have no problem with this... but I've never done it and I most likely never will. Which (apparently) leaves me with a sluggish phone. Not good.
I appreciate the feedback... it's the only way to truly learn.
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I suspect that people who have issues with sluggishness just got too enthusiastic about newly acquired freedom I solved this issue (that is if I even had it in a first place) by switching from Live Wallpaper to a regular one. No other tricks. I use TouchWiz (I like it). Here is a video comparing iPhone 4 and Captivate side by side. It uses stock Captivate and it's not any more sluggish than iPhone 4. In fact, it's faster in many tests.
rafyvitto said:
Wtf is this lag you all talk about?? install laucher pro and that fixes the laggy touchwiz UI ****tiness...other than that android runs like butter on this device its unreal, i had an acer liquid and trust me android is not the same on a galaxy S its just unreal how smooth it is.
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It's not touchwiz that is laggy. I love touchwiz and it's extremely responsive. Rather, it's the Samsung widgets that clutter 3 homscreens that are very processor intensive. Once you place them in the trash and replace them with other apps from the market the experience is far better.
lilo777 said:
Here is a video comparing iPhone 4 and Captivate side by side. It uses stock Captivate and it's not any more sluggish than iPhone 4. In fact, it's faster in many tests.
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Interesting. Thanks for the link.
I'm coming from an iPhone (from what it sounds, i'm a more power user than you but I can offer insight)
the captivate has the advantage of having in house chip manufacturing, now while I have rooted and sideloaded and removed att bloat...before I did that all I did was remove the daily briefing widget (pretty useless imo) and I never experienced any slow down. I was used to waiting a bit with the 3gs so I was pretty happy with the experience.
If you're concerned about lag, don't. there really isn't any. it's perceived from when you hear you have a 1ghz phone that is as good as jesus. Everything even the fastest home computers have the occasional lag.
as for rooting, it really just allows you to have some more control over your phone. It's a stepping stone yes, kind of like a gateway drug into android tweaking. But if you can control yourself it'll allow you to simply remove the ATT apps that suck and use a nice and zippy touchwiz (which I actually really like) and because TW is very iphoneish, you should have a good time navigating.
but man lemme tell you, the browser is much better than iPhone. Flash is pretty awesome. The Screen is much much much! better than the 4's and it is bigger which I personally like. I think it hits the sweet spot between big and medium (I wanted a streak but it took way to long to come out, and i'm glad i didn't bite on an import).
The only two apps which are better on iPhone are facebook and MLB at Bat (at bat because of mlb.tv) otherwise the selection is nice on android, and the apps are very diverse.
I think you'd like it, but then again this is just my opinion. I'm more of the tinkerer anyways and I HAD to jailbreak my iPhone to enjoy it.
the captivate has some neat little tweaks that'll keep surprising you (I find new things every day)
choice is yours hope i could help
V DidDy 210 said:
I'm coming from an iPhone (from what it sounds, i'm a more power user than you but I can offer insight)
the captivate has the advantage of having in house chip manufacturing, now while I have rooted and sideloaded and removed att bloat...before I did that all I did was remove the daily briefing widget (pretty useless imo) and I never experienced any slow down. I was used to waiting a bit with the 3gs so I was pretty happy with the experience.
If you're concerned about lag, don't. there really isn't any. it's perceived from when you hear you have a 1ghz phone that is as good as jesus. Everything even the fastest home computers have the occasional lag.
as for rooting, it really just allows you to have some more control over your phone. It's a stepping stone yes, kind of like a gateway drug into android tweaking. But if you can control yourself it'll allow you to simply remove the ATT apps that suck and use a nice and zippy touchwiz (which I actually really like) and because TW is very iphoneish, you should have a good time navigating.
but man lemme tell you, the browser is much better than iPhone. Flash is pretty awesome. The Screen is much much much! better than the 4's and it is bigger which I personally like. I think it hits the sweet spot between big and medium (I wanted a streak but it took way to long to come out, and i'm glad i didn't bite on an import).
The only two apps which are better on iPhone are facebook and MLB at Bat (at bat because of mlb.tv) otherwise the selection is nice on android, and the apps are very diverse.
I think you'd like it, but then again this is just my opinion. I'm more of the tinkerer anyways and I HAD to jailbreak my iPhone to enjoy it.
the captivate has some neat little tweaks that'll keep surprising you (I find new things every day)
choice is yours hope i could help
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I also got suspicious about Daily Briefing once I saw that it was updating AP news constantly. I disabled AP News but kept the weather and the stock quotes. In my observation those are not updated automatically (or very infrequently). I think this was enough. I am still thinking about junking entire widget though
Every piece of [email protected] is different, just find the one that fits you best, if you know what I mean. Apple is great but equally the competition. Heck I had the HTC Aria before the Capt. It's was snappier and has a better UI I think, darn screen is just to small. My wife has the I4 and its cool too for what she uses it for.
Okay... thanks, guys.
I won't comment on regarding the operating system, but i'll tell you why pick Captivate.
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Let's just say, SGS currently offers nearly everything at the top of the market.
BUT, it would NOT be future proof. Technology advances regardless of any economical drawbacks, there WILL be better phones out there in the future.
Screen - debatable with iPhone4's screen
This really is a territory where personal preference will determine which the better screen will be, the differences are that minuscule.
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iPhone4 Retina Display vs. Galaxy S Super Amoled
CPU/GPU - YES YES YES. THREE times the speed of today's smartphone.
Coolermaster
Hummingbird vs. Snapdragon: The 1 GHz Smartphone Showdown
OS - Debatable so i wouldn't want to get into this. (but might i add this? the community behind android, let alone other OS, has an advantage of being futuristic-proof because of the regular tweets and mods)
Camera - 5mp, pretty darn low comparatively to other smartphones but it's adequate/satisfying after seeing the vids/pics
For me, I would certainly pick SGS. This is a bad place to ask for our opinon, it's a SGS dedicated section! (Trust me, you won't regret it. The screen is the dealbreaker)
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AT&T 16gb, No FFC, No flash, gyroscope
Tmobile 16gb, No FFC, No flash, gyroscope
Verizon 2gb, No FFC NOT SURE, flash, gyroscope, Wi-fi Hotspot supported
Sprint 1gb, Yes FFC NOT SURE, Flash, gyroscope, Keyboard, wi-fi hotspot supported
International 8/16gb, FFC, no Flash, gyroscope (not sure)
Captivate has metal battery door.
Nice sliding usb port.
Cool push down opening of the battery door.
better look, in my opinion
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Anything else you're wondering?
Seeing as how this is XDA, I'm not surprised everyone is siding with Android/SGS. I'm going to sled a little light on the iPhone since it has yet to be mentioned at all.
Did everyone forget about jailbreaking for the iPhone? The iPhone is just as customizable through jailbreaking as rooting is to Android. People are talking about how the apps are restricted but there is also Cydia and Cydia is freaking amazing.
I definitely recommend you to try and experience both. Reading up on how something is can only go so far. Having personal experience will give you A LOT of insight on how much devices are and which 1 best suits you. Go to AT&T, address the debate that you're having with them and I'm sure they'll gladly arrange something where you can try both devices for X amount of days.
Sounds Good said:
Does this mean that if we're happy with the iPhone out of the box we're better off with iPhone 4 since there's no need to mess with anything?
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Probably best to stay with iPhone if you don't have a reason to switch.
That said, jailbreaking on the iPhone isn't anywhere near the same thing as rooting the Android.
IE, iPhone users have been waiting a long time now for the iOS4 jailbreak, Captivate users had a root before it ever came out.
Captivate is as simple as putting a zip file on the device, rebooting the phone and applying it. EASY. Not near as involved as jailbreaking the iPhone.
Well, as much as I love my Tab 7 Plus I've just about had it with Samsung. I'm getting rid of it, selling it on ebay with the official book cover/case. The money I get for it will go towards the new Google Nexus tablet due out at the end of this month.
For what it's worth, I've learnt a lot about tablets and Android from some very clever people on this part of the XDA forum and I'd like to thank them for the help...
Maybe I'll bump into some of you guys on another part of this forum in the future
I can't say I blame you...
BTW, as much as I do/did like the official book cover case, mine is beginning to fall apart at the corners (of the flap that covers the screen). I haven't been very hard on it, it mostly stays at home. It just turned out lower quality/less durable than it appears.
Mine is going on EBAY today aswell - my Sony Tablet S is a much better bit of kit.
Bye bye Samsung.
Can't say I blame you. I bought the tablet with the ICS update in mind, but Samsung has really been disappointing. Thinking about selling mine too...
I've just installed AOKP on my little girls (my old) P1000. With it running ICS 4.0.4 it seems to be so responsive compared to gingerbread that was on it. It feels like a completely new device. A lot if things (UI responsiveness, task switching, etc) seem to be on par (and in some cases surpass) with my P6200 now. It's actually a joy to use again and it's also a constant reminder of what I'm missing out on.
Not that I am pro Apple or IOS, but this graphic from the recent WWDC 12 keynote tells the overall story pretty well.
I am very disappointed in Samsung and most other tablet and handset brands upgrade schedules as well. They'd rather you purchase a new product rather than support the one, in some cases, you just bought.
I am pretty certain I won't bother to purchase another Samsung product
My GT-6210 is now on Ebay, selling with root and my own personal optimisations.
Huh? what's so bad about the tab? It runs just fine with honeycomb once you get rid of default launcher
I did the same thing 7 months ago. I had a acer a100 and I sold it on Ebay because of the locked bootloader. I month later they found a workaround to the bootloader issue and now have CM9 on it.
With the money I sold the A100 I bought the p6210 and figured the Samsung would be not far behind with the ICS update. Now I am still waiting for ICS on the Samsung and Acer has released ICS on the A100 months ago. I am afraid that if I sell the Samsung that they will release the update, so I am sticking it out.
Like I did with my phone two versions ago I will only buy Nexus devices. If google releases a Nexus tablet that is Wifi only I will get it and not worry about future updates.
VitaZora said:
...this graphic from the recent WWDC 12 keynote tells the overall story pretty well.
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I'm not thrilled about the delay either, but this graphic does *not* tell the entire story. See, for example, here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/12/psa-which-ios-6-features-can-my-device-run/
Sure, almost all devices receive the new version of iOS... but none besides the newest hardware *really* get it.
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Huh? what's so bad about the tab? It runs just fine with honeycomb once you get rid of default launcher
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Who said there was anything wrong with the Tab? It's a great piece of kit.
It's Samsung themselves who are the problem.
bittersound said:
Who said there was anything wrong with the Tab? It's a great piece of kit.
It's Samsung themselves who are the problem.
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This is not the answer. Why do you want ICS so badly? Is it something essential for your tablet? Honeycomb+TZ and ICS+TZ really look the same. So no visual differences. Why do you need ICS? Because of face unlock? Because of an ability to swipe apps from multitasking menu? Why?
Everything ICS offers is already in HC, or it's just not important.
The only thing that is reasonable to desire - more battery life and more speed. Both are already very nice in HC. My 6201 can stand for 7 hours with 3G on + GPS + Games + Movies + Internet surfing. And it's very, very fast, faster than my 3VO on ICS with overclock (2 cores @ 1.7ghz).
So can anybody tell me just one reason, besides the reason above, why would you really need ICS? I dare you.
So just calm down, stop this crap and do like me: just be happy using your gt7+ with HC, not thinking about ICS. Android 4.0 will eventually come to our device, and before it happened, let's forget about it.
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This is not the answer. Why do you want ICS so badly? Is it something essential for your tablet? Honeycomb+TZ and ICS+TZ really look the same. So no visual differences. Why do you need ICS? Because of face unlock? Because of an ability to swipe apps from multitasking menu? Why?
Everything ICS offers is already in HC, or it's just not important.
The only thing that is reasonable to desire - more battery life and more speed. Both are already very nice in HC. My 6201 can stand for 7 hours with 3G on + GPS + Games + Movies + Internet surfing. And it's very, very fast, faster than my 3VO on ICS with overclock (2 cores @ 1.7ghz).
So can anybody tell me just one reason, besides the reason above, why would you really need ICS? I dare you.
So just calm down, stop this crap and do like me: just be happy using your gt7+ with HC, not thinking about ICS. Android 4.0 will eventually come to our device, and before it happened, let's forget about it.
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You are very rude and aggressive, there is no call for it.
I didn't say I wanted ICS "so badly" either? Are you the type who just likes to get cross about things?
I'll say (for the last time) in plain English... I am frustrated with Samsung's perceived attitude and stonewalling when it comes to sharing information and basic after-sale care.
Now, I cannot speak for anyone else on this forum but for me if I get dissatisfied with a company then I take my customer elsewhere, and in this instance this manifests itself with me selling my current tablet to purchase one from another manufacturer.
That is all. If you can keep the dialog friendly I'd be grateful.
Best regards
I'm not going as far as selling my 7.0 Tab - I know Ics will come to it eventually. But once the 7 inch Nexus tab hits, I'll be using that as my daily use tab, and the Galaxy will be demoted, like the red headed stepchild it is, to a universal remote and little childs plaything until one of my kids runs over it with a bicycle or something.
Hardware is only compelling up to a certain point.
@bittersound
I couldn't agree with what you've said more.
I bought this device expecting it to be lagfree, or at least given the system spec and the price, even when the default launcher is removed, rooted and tweaks, it's still bad.
My Sony Tablet S is a better device, and for the same price it came with the IR Blaster, better gaming performance with a Tegra 2 CPU, Play Station certification, it too has the small apps bar and includes the mini browser, calculator and remote control.
It's ICS, I can swipe to close apps, force GPU rendering, the web browsing is smoother and the camera is alot sharper and a higher quality.
I bought the Samsung as I bricked my Sony - but when ICS came out I was able to un-brick it, so my Samsung is now on Ebay, I will not be buying another one tablet from them.
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This is not the answer. Why do you want ICS so badly? Is it something essential for your tablet? Honeycomb+TZ and ICS+TZ really look the same. So no visual differences. Why do you need ICS? Because of face unlock? Because of an ability to swipe apps from multitasking menu? Why?
Everything ICS offers is already in HC, or it's just not important.
The only thing that is reasonable to desire - more battery life and more speed. Both are already very nice in HC. My 6201 can stand for 7 hours with 3G on + GPS + Games + Movies + Internet surfing. And it's very, very fast, faster than my 3VO on ICS with overclock (2 cores @ 1.7ghz).
So can anybody tell me just one reason, besides the reason above, why would you really need ICS? I dare you.
So just calm down, stop this crap and do like me: just be happy using your gt7+ with HC, not thinking about ICS. Android 4.0 will eventually come to our device, and before it happened, let's forget about it.
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I want my damn lockscreen music player for Google Music.
i won't satisfy with u~~~
Adiost said:
This is not the answer. Why do you want ICS so badly? Is it something essential for your tablet? Honeycomb+TZ and ICS+TZ really look the same. So no visual differences. Why do you need ICS? Because of face unlock? Because of an ability to swipe apps from multitasking menu? Why?
Everything ICS offers is already in HC, or it's just not important.
The only thing that is reasonable to desire - more battery life and more speed. Both are already very nice in HC. My 6201 can stand for 7 hours with 3G on + GPS + Games + Movies + Internet surfing. And it's very, very fast, faster than my 3VO on ICS with overclock (2 cores @ 1.7ghz).
So can anybody tell me just one reason, besides the reason above, why would you really need ICS? I dare you.
So just calm down, stop this crap and do like me: just be happy using your gt7+ with HC, not thinking about ICS. Android 4.0 will eventually come to our device, and before it happened, let's forget about it.
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if HC compare with ICS nothing diff., why release a new ICS???
btw, sure now we hv a good tablet, but not every one will be satisfy the best
tablet now we hv, right?
when samsung update ICS for Our Tab+(but asus TF101 already hv), I THINK a new Jelly Bean 5 its time to release... (i,m fell like a donkey)
say truth, i hv no choice to choose other tablet with phone in 7", if "have" i never buy samsung again~~~
i'll stay for next tablet nexus 7" by asus.
I'm sure ICS would be somewhat better, and yes it sucks that samsung hasn't released it yet, but I'm already happy with my 7+ so I'm not exactly in a rush either.
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So can anybody tell me just one reason, besides the reason above, why would you really need ICS? I dare you.
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Because some people are never happy with what they have. In a few months after ICS drops they'll be *****ing because Jellybean isn't being developed for this tab. My philosophy has always been if you don't like it learn how to fix it yourself, its not all that difficult if you really want to learn. I'm perfectly happy with this as it is, it does everything I want it to do. If your not happy with it sell it, get something you like, and move on. I should add that HTC, Motorolla and the rest of the manufacturers aren't any better than Samsung in fact some are far worse with locked devices and not releasing code.
i sold my HTC Wildfire S last December 2011 because HTC doesnt want to unlock our bootloader.. Few days after I sold my Wildfire S and got this tab they unlocked the bootloader.. anyway I'll try to stick with this tab for the meantime.. I'm really not in the hurry to get ICS. I'm not gonna let go of this tab easily. So far it works well for me..
I was originally thinking about getting an international Galaxy Tablet, but as much as I'd like a tablet as a phone...I know it's not the ideal solution for multiple reasons (lack of warranty, primarily).
Anyway, a friend can get me one brand-new for $250, and it'd be a decent upgrade from my HTC G2. I know development for it isn't the best, and ICS probably won't arrive at least for another month (and it'll suck going back to Gingerbread after having used ICS for a bit on my G2), but I don't want my G2 to completely crap out and have to buy a new phone on a whim like that (and it'd be nice to have the G2 available as a backup).
Not interested in the Galaxy II (I get that it has better features, but it just looks/feels so cheap to me), and the Galaxy III is a nice phone, but I won't use half the features/power and it'd be an extra $100 or so. Nothing else on T-Mobile really appeals to me.
That being said, other than the previously-mentioned lack of development, are there any issues with the Blaze that I should know about? Or any major reason (other than development) that I should go with the GS3 instead?
If you've only ever used a AOSP style CM capable device (like me) you may regret going to something that only runs TouchWiz. Sure, you can change the launcher, uninstall swype and install the better version, and root it to uninstall a bunch of apps you don't want/need... but there are other things you can't change.
The lock screen, phone call screen(s) and some other things are remarkably slow and unresponsive, and is this ridiculous attempt to bring ICS looks and features to a poor gingerbread implementation. I don't understand how a company can make a phone with dual 1.5Ghz cores perform some things so slowly when my 1Ghz MT4G was responsive as hell. The phone feels "nicer" in the hand than some other samsungs I've held but that's about all it has going for it. Oh, and it supports T-Mobile's WiFi calling.
And yeah, the development is going REALLY slow and will likely remain so, even with the generous help of the guys that are making moves on this phone now.
If I had the choice again, I wouldn't. I will never again purchase a phone that isn't already supported by some AOSP style ROM. I thought root was enough and I'd get by with it, but I was wrong.
But that's just me.
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If you've only ever used a AOSP style CM capable device (like me) you may regret going to something that only runs TouchWiz. Sure, you can change the launcher, uninstall swype and install the better version, and root it to uninstall a bunch of apps you don't want/need... but there are other things you can't change.
The lock screen, phone call screen(s) and some other things are remarkably slow and unresponsive, and is this ridiculous attempt to bring ICS looks and features to a poor gingerbread implementation. I don't understand how a company can make a phone with dual 1.5Ghz cores perform some things so slowly when my 1Ghz MT4G was responsive as hell. The phone feels "nicer" in the hand than some other samsungs I've held but that's about all it has going for it. Oh, and it supports T-Mobile's WiFi calling.
And yeah, the development is going REALLY slow and will likely remain so, even with the generous help of the guys that are making moves on this phone now.
If I had the choice again, I wouldn't. I will never again purchase a phone that isn't already supported by some AOSP style ROM. I thought root was enough and I'd get by with it, but I was wrong.
But that's just me.
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Well then, wasn't exactly expecting to hear that on this of all boards - it's definitely good to hear, though, as I didn't realize how serious reviews were about the device being bloated like that.
My only other choice I'd be remotely interested in would be the HTC Amaze, and not that I don't like HTC, but I've read the battery life isn't the best, and there's issues like backlight bleeding and whatnot. I guess I'll just wait to get the GS3 and hope there aren't any major issues.
Yeah, sorry
For the price, if the community were more active, I'd say it's a great deal. But if it isn't active now, the sad truth is that it won't get more active down the road. And I wouldn't wait for the likes of me to actually succeed in getting CM9 running on this thing...
As a comparison, the HTC One S has been around half as long and has like 10x the interest and activity. Just walk around their XDA Android Dev subforums and you'll see what I mean. Mind you, the 1S has the same CPU, memory, and other misc. features. The storage and battery are fixed, but that's the only downside. It's got a slimmer package and more accessories available. The blaze is dead in comparison.
TouchWiz just irritates me, but I make do with the phone, and maybe I'm being picky. Ask if you can test drive the thing... insert your sim and make/answer some calls... do some basic things and just know that's pretty much how the device will always be. If you could live with that, then so be it.
For a T-Mobile compatible phone, I'd just get a new Galaxy Nexus, or a 1S. The Galaxy Nexus will be the first to run Jelly Bean, and you'll also have support for a fairly long time from the likes of the CM team and AOKP, et al. It has some great features too. Just food for though
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For the price, if the community were more active, I'd say it's a great deal. But if it isn't active now, the sad truth is that it won't get more active down the road. And I wouldn't wait for the likes of me to actually succeed in getting CM9 running on this thing...
As a comparison, the HTC One S has been around half as long and has like 10x the interest and activity. Just walk around their XDA Android Dev subforums and you'll see what I mean. Mind you, the 1S has the same CPU, memory, and other misc. features. The storage and battery are fixed, but that's the only downside. It's got a slimmer package and more accessories available. The blaze is dead in comparison.
TouchWiz just irritates me, but I make do with the phone, and maybe I'm being picky. Ask if you can test drive the thing... insert your sim and make/answer some calls... do some basic things and just know that's pretty much how the device will always be. If you could live with that, then so be it.
For a T-Mobile compatible phone, I'd just get a new Galaxy Nexus, or a 1S. The Galaxy Nexus will be the first to run Jelly Bean, and you'll also have support for a fairly long time from the likes of the CM team and AOKP, et al. It has some great features too. Just food for though
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I guess I'll try and look into the Blaze in person more before I totally dismiss it, then. After hearing numerous issues with the 1S (between random reboots, screens failing, really hot temperatures, data/service issues, and even stuff as weird as the capacitive buttons being completely unresponsive - all reasons people have returned it, according to a friend at T-Mobile), I'm staying away from it, at least for the moment; I like everything else about the phone, however, and don't care about lack of expandable storage or removable battery. Not a fan of the lack official accessories (and accessory choice in general), however, compared to most Samsung phones.
And nothing against the Nexus but...it just doesn't appeal to me. I can understand any of the numerous reasons to go for one, but it just doesn't stand out to me in any way; I'd much sooner get the Galaxy S 3 for the better specs and camera alone.
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I guess I'll try and look into the Blaze in person more before I totally dismiss it, then. After hearing numerous issues with the 1S (between random reboots, screens failing, really hot temperatures, data/service issues, and even stuff as weird as the capacitive buttons being completely unresponsive - all reasons people have returned it, according to a friend at T-Mobile), I'm staying away from it, at least for the moment; I like everything else about the phone, however, and don't care about lack of expandable storage or removable battery. Not a fan of the lack official accessories (and accessory choice in general), however, compared to most Samsung phones.
And nothing against the Nexus but...it just doesn't appeal to me. I can understand any of the numerous reasons to go for one, but it just doesn't stand out to me in any way; I'd much sooner get the Galaxy S 3 for the better specs and camera alone.
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I believe the Nexus also has various issues. I honestly don't understand where are all the pessimism is coming from. We are getting the official ICS update, so CM9 is likely to get to us. We are also funding a developer to help him buy a Blaze and improve his ROM. I'll admit the development is slow, but that's to be expected for a carrier specific device that got no advertising. Descent due development will come in time I think.
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If you've only ever used a AOSP style CM capable device (like me) you may regret going to something that only runs TouchWiz. Sure, you can change the launcher, uninstall swype and install the better version, and root it to uninstall a bunch of apps you don't want/need... but there are other things you can't change.
The lock screen, phone call screen(s) and some other things are remarkably slow and unresponsive, and is this ridiculous attempt to bring ICS looks and features to a poor gingerbread implementation. I don't understand how a company can make a phone with dual 1.5Ghz cores perform some things so slowly when my 1Ghz MT4G was responsive as hell. The phone feels "nicer" in the hand than some other samsungs I've held but that's about all it has going for it. Oh, and it supports T-Mobile's WiFi calling.
And yeah, the development is going REALLY slow and will likely remain so, even with the generous help of the guys that are making moves on this phone now.
If I had the choice again, I wouldn't. I will never again purchase a phone that isn't already supported by some AOSP style ROM. I thought root was enough and I'd get by with it, but I was wrong.
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That's funny, but that's exactly how I feel about my Blaze. I thought rooting it to get rid of all the bloat would be enough, but I want more, and there just isn't more out there, despite the efforts of our lovable and hard working dev's. And you're right - the call screen sometimes just isn't responsive at all and I wind up being unable to answer calls, especially if it's coming from an app I'm already running, such as a game. So from now on I'm coming to XDA and doing developmental research before getting a phone. Right now I'm leaning towards a Galaxy S2 (even though the S3 is a faster phone and all - it just does not feel right IMO).
While the lack of development is discouraging to "early" adopters, I really love the form factor (can't stand the 4.3" screens or bigger) and the build quality is surprisingly nice.
Having used CM before on another device, it is weird not having it on here. The lack of customizability is a bit frustrating. But I'm patient. I really think the price point, performance potential, and friendly size will make this a winner once ICS and the appropriate sources/information are released.
So I got a chance to play with one a little bit (basically brand-new, just factory reset)...I'm not seeing the sluggishness/delay you guys are talking about, particularly with the phone calls (receiving or placing). Maybe I'm just used to the delay/sluggishness on my G2 that I don't notice it, but I'd imagine removing all that bloat (and removing stuff like built-in ringtones) would help a decent amount...
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So I got a chance to play with one a little bit (basically brand-new, just factory reset)...I'm not seeing the sluggishness/delay you guys are talking about, particularly with the phone calls (receiving or placing). Maybe I'm just used to the delay/sluggishness on my G2 that I don't notice it, but I'd imagine removing all that bloat (and removing stuff like built-in ringtones) would help a decent amount...
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Yeah, I have none of the sluggishness issues either. Stock may be bloated but its pretty damn snappy. I've used a MT4G with CM7 and my Blaze is much more responsive overall, it even handles flash without breaking a sweat.
I'm really happy with this phone despite not having much rom support. Coming from a defy there are two things that I don't miss: battery pulls and random reboots. Never happens on this device. For me that makes it worth giving up AOSP...at least for now.
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Just out of curiosity - I've heard that internally there are many similarities between a Blaze and a Galaxy S2. Has anyone ever tried throwing an S2 ROM on their Blaze and, if so, what were the results? Just curious.
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Just out of curiosity - I've heard that internally there are many similarities between a Blaze and a Galaxy S2. Has anyone ever tried throwing an S2 ROM on their Blaze and, if so, what were the results? Just curious.
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they are similars but don't recommend something like that iif you don't know what might happen. Because flashing wrong kernel/rom can brick peoples phone.
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Just out of curiosity - I've heard that internally there are many similarities between a Blaze and a Galaxy S2. Has anyone ever tried throwing an S2 ROM on their Blaze and, if so, what were the results? Just curious.
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The B4G is specifically very much like the T-Mobile GS2 (The T989). They are both based on the msm8660_surf board, with the same CPU, GPU and many of the same sensors. There are differences, specifically with the panel (display) and a few of the sensors. The differences are enough that it doesn't quite work on our device. Yeah, I've tried ;-)
What I've been doing is specifically trying to port a number of the things for our device into the ICS kernel available for the T989. My goal is to come up with a bootable ICS kernel for our device. I think that's gonna be the biggest stepping stone to a working CM9 or AOKP build for our phone.
The B4G has nothing other than specs in common with the other SGS2 phones on the market, save for maybe the AT&T SkyRocket. They all use different CPU's and GPU's on a different platform all built by Samsung... and thus different sensors.
I've had a lot of phones starting with the Nexus One (actually the Eris but I try to forget). So far the only issue I see is the ability to "crack flash". IMO sooner or later you'll have a phone that just won't have every developer swooning over it. if for no other reason than there are so many phone out there. (remember the threads when the Nexus came out?)
I bought this phone because it met all of my needs and had good specs. I had the G2x and the Sensation (sold on gave another to my son) but ths phone is better. The extra Ram is noticeable difference IMO and the size of the phone is right for me.
We could have all opted for the Galaxy SII and I'm sure everybody looked at the threads and saw what was going on so........participate........and relax a little.........the phone works very well.
Suffice to say that after being in the iOS environment for the past few years, my venture into Android with the TF700 has been lackluster at best. I've had the tablet for 24 hours and have been utterly disappointed with its performance. For being the premier android tablet on the market, it's no wonder people migrating from iOS are having such terrible experiences.
Firstly, I'd say that about 20% of the apps i've downloaded have crashed or stalled on me. These are all main stream apps, nothing from small developers, its from the googles, amazon, pandora, etc...
This tablet couldn't stream music, run the ftp client, and browse the web at the same time.... the tablet was sugglish and the music would stop playing at times.
App loading time is crazy slow.... i feel like i'm working on a 486 here..... browsing speed and rendering is terrible also.... I can't believe you guys are able to actually be productive on this thing. It's most likely going in a drawer full of other ****ty devices i've bought over the years.
While not a fan of the closed of iOS ecosystem, I have to tell you that the OS is stable and polished. The apps all look beautiful and well made, the ipad doesn't freeze, and it's overall a more intuitive system. I prefer the open source aspect of android, but wow, this tablet was a complete let down. My business partner's ipad 1 is still a better and smoother experience than this piece of junk.
My wife has both an iPad and an iPhone, they most certainly do crash. I have used both and the TF700T is not nearly as bad as you describe. It out performs the hell out of the iPad with proper maintenance. I am not sure why you have had such a bad experience, but the device is far from a piece of junk. As for app crashes, again your experience differs greatly. I rarely have crashes at all, let alone from the app devs you mentioned. I will admit that the iOS is nice and simple, but I find its more geared towards the non-technologically inclined. Perhaps the Android OS just isn't for you?
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My wife has both an iPad and an iPhone, they most certainly do crash. I have used both and the TF700T is not nearly as bad as you describe. It out performs the hell out of the iPad with proper maintenance. I am not sure why you have had such a bad experience, but the device is far from a piece of junk. As for app crashes, again your experience differs greatly. I rarely have crashes at all, let alone from the app devs you mentioned. I will admit that the iOS is nice and simple, but I find its more geared towards the non-technologically inclined. Perhaps the Android OS just isn't for you?
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Hey there... I am a programmer and web designer, grew up building custom computers and web sites and programming a lot, so I am familiar with the open source platforms and the more tech-related aspects of technology. That being said, Android itself has to far to go it's almost not even work dealing with. I don't know why I am having these issues, maybe its growing pains but that being said, I was expecting a completely different experience. So many things are absent from Android and so many things simply don't work. Overall I'm disappointed with the browsing experience most.... half of the time the pages don't finish rendering by the time I get to the bottom, and I'm on a 20Mb connection and am only running the browser on the tablet..... I'm so torn here
If one does a search of the general section here in the TF700T forum using the word "disappointed" about 20 or so threads will show up.
A lot to wade thru for sure...it's all pretty much been covered however.
Apologies for your disappointments with Infinity.
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Hey there... I am a programmer and web designer, grew up building custom computers and web sites and programming a lot, so I am familiar with the open source platforms and the more tech-related aspects of technology. That being said, Android itself has to far to go it's almost not even work dealing with. I don't know why I am having these issues, maybe its growing pains but that being said, I was expecting a completely different experience. So many things are absent from Android and so many things simply don't work. Overall I'm disappointed with the browsing experience most.... half of the time the pages don't finish rendering by the time I get to the bottom, and I'm on a 20Mb connection and am only running the browser on the tablet..... I'm so torn here
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Well, you are right about the browser, if iirc out of the box, the browser sucks. If you want to give it another chance you might look into browser2ram. You can search it here on the forum and I think its on the play store, really takes care of the browser sluggishness. Just a note most of the issues with this tablet in particular aren't Android OS related, per se, a lot of the issues come from things Asus has done/ not fixed yet. I have several other Android devices that required no tweaking at all to run well right out of the box. If your interested in getting really into increasing performance/bug fixes, the CleanRom custom rom is supposed to be the best, but be warned, unlocking your bootloader to do custom roms/recoveries voids your warranty. Given that your device is new this may not be for you. The best thing I can suggest is deciding if all the work you may need to put into the tablet to get it the way you like it worth the time to you, if not, the iPad may indeed be more useful to you. The closed enviroment of the iPad has its advantages.
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Suffice to say that after being in the iOS environment for the past few years, my venture into Android with the TF700 has been lackluster at best. I've had the tablet for 24 hours and have been utterly disappointed with its performance.
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Do you judge everything and everyone within 24 hours of getting to know it/him/her? The Hynix storage controller was a bad, bad decision by ASUS, w' all agree, but a good custom ROM fixes a lot of the problems. You should not have to void your warranty to get a well-performing device, though, so I'd say I agree.
For being the premier android tablet on the market, it's no wonder people migrating from iOS are having such terrible experiences.
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On what data do you base that statement? I do not believe there are that many disgruntled ex-iAdopters -- most are perfectly happy, I guess.
Firstly, I'd say that about 20% of the apps i've downloaded have crashed or stalled on me. These are all main stream apps, nothing from small developers, its from the googles, amazon, pandora, etc...
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No larger-developer apps have crashed on me regularly, and even the apps from smaller devs play quite nicely most of the time (even if not in a tablet-specific layout. ).
This tablet couldn't stream music, run the ftp client, and browse the web at the same time.... the tablet was sugglish and the music would stop playing at times.
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I've been running FTP clients from day 1, so still on the stock ROM, and I have never had any issues at all. Music steeaming over Bluetooth is a known issue, but that is not confined to the 700.
App loading time is crazy slow.... i feel like i'm working on a 486 here...
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Try runnign a 486 and then asking it to do whatever yo uexpect from the Infinity: pushing a FullHD screen and running a 3D game, for example. Then come back in here and share your observations as to whether the 700 is really that slow.
browsing speed and rendering is terrible also.... I can't believe you guys are able to actually be productive on this thing.
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I cannot believe how much more I am doing know as compared to, say, a year ago. I'm not only readin during the commute, but brwosing, Whatsapping, emailing, the **** -- I signed up here in 2008, I believe and had 30 posts when the Infinity came in; I've never been pestering XDA this much before.
It's most likely going in a drawer full of other ****ty devices i've bought over the years.
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Impulse buys? Early adopting poses a risk, as you should know well.
While not a fan of the closed of iOS ecosystem, I have to tell you that the OS is stable and polished.
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...and severly limited, essentially closed down. That also explains why it is far easier to support, or develop for, since you know in detail what hardware and OS to work with (or against).
The apps all look beautiful and well made,
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all of 'em?
the ipad doesn't freeze,
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I'm sure it does, actually. This blanket statement makes me doubt your veracity or uprighteousness.
and it's overall a more intuitive system.
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Although it's a matter og çolor'and terminology, I usually prefer the term "dumbed down". It's pick-up-and-use, compared to the freely tweakable and slightly more complex ANdroid ecosystem.
I prefer the open source aspect of android, but wow, this tablet was a complete let down. My business partner's ipad 1 is still a better and smoother experience than this piece of junk.
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The TF700 should outperform the iPad 1 and 2 out of the box, and should do the same to the iPad 3 when tweaked.
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Hey there... I am a programmer and web designer, grew up building custom computers and web sites and programming a lot, so I am familiar with the open source platforms and the more tech-related aspects of technology. That being said, Android itself has to far to go it's almost not even work dealing with.
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Again, a blanket statement which is not that valid at all. This is just your point of view -- I can work with all my Android pretty effectively and efficiently (save the LG O2x which happens to be a VERY, VERY bad device).
I don't know why I am having these issues, maybe its growing pains but that being said, I was expecting a completely different experience.
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Based on the numbers, it does sound like a golden device, and again, I agree that out of the box, the storage system should have performed much better.
So many things are absent from Android
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Examples?
and so many things simply don't work.
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Examples?
Overall I'm disappointed with the browsing experience most.... half of the time the pages don't finish rendering by the time I get to the bottom, and I'm on a 20Mb connection and am only running the browser on the tablet..... I'm so torn here
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No issues on sotck browser, but then I use Brwoser2RAM as well -- makes the browsing significantly faster and pleasurable.
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My wife has both an iPad and an iPhone, they most certainly do crash. I have used both and the TF700T is not nearly as bad as you describe. It out performs the hell out of the iPad with proper maintenance. I am not sure why you have had such a bad experience, but the device is far from a piece of junk. As for app crashes, again your experience differs greatly. I rarely have crashes at all, let alone from the app devs you mentioned. I will admit that the iOS is nice and simple, but I find its more geared towards the non-technologically inclined. Perhaps the Android OS just isn't for you?
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This woudl have been a nicer way to voice my opinion.
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Well, you are right about the browser, if iirc out of the box, the browser sucks. If you want to give it another chance you might look into browser2ram.
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This really helps -- or just install CROMI and be done.
You can search it here on the forum and I think its on the play store, really takes care of the browser sluggishness. Just a note most of the issues with this tablet in particular aren't Android OS related, per se, a lot of the issues come from things Asus has done/ not fixed yet.
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Seconded.
I have several other Android devices that required no tweaking at all to run well right out of the box.
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Samesung, for example, has a knack for making very good devices that just perform out of the box.
If your interested in getting really into increasing performance/bug fixes, the CleanRom custom rom is supposed to be the best, but be warned, unlocking your bootloader to do custom roms/recoveries voids your warranty. Given that your device is new this may not be for you.
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Especially when there's the even slightest hint of returning or selling.
The best thing I can suggest is deciding if all the work you may need to put into the tablet to get it the way you like it worth the time to you, if not, the iPad may indeed be more useful to you. The closed enviroment of the iPad has its advantages.
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Amen.
The one thing I am fed up with is the hinge build quality -- I've started a thread a few days ago; I won't threadjack.
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While not a fan of the closed of iOS ecosystem, I have to tell you that the OS is stable and polished. The apps all look beautiful and well made, the ipad doesn't freeze, and it's overall a more intuitive system. I prefer the open source aspect of android, but wow, this tablet was a complete let down. My business partner's ipad 1 is still a better and smoother experience than this piece of junk.
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The TF700, actually all Asus tablets, suffer from some unique performance and multitasking issues caused by the design (h/w) choices Asus made. Do a search on “Asus IO issues” either on XDA or Google. The "best" Android tablet in terms of performance, functions, and features available right now is the Note 10.1. Sadly, to your point about compromise, it only has a 147 PPI 720P display which makes it a non-starter for quite a few people. The Nexus 10 is a great Android tablet on paper but suffers from QC issues and a lot of folks find the phone UI Google's using on it both odd and a bit barren feature's wise. At $499 for the 32GB version with no SD slot for expansion it’s no bargain either. Samsung's releasing their own version of the N10 (P5200) which might be a true iPad competitor in performance, functions, features, and hopefully quality. It’ll have an SD card slot and most likely multiview which is a killer feature on a 10” tablet and something that will set it apart from the iPad. It’s supposed to be announced on the 19th and available in March. Maybe that's worth a look before abandoning Android all together.
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Hey there... I am a programmer and web designer, grew up building custom computers and web sites and programming a lot, so I am familiar with the open source platforms and the more tech-related aspects of technology. That being said, Android itself has to far to go it's almost not even work dealing with. I don't know why I am having these issues, maybe its growing pains but that being said, I was expecting a completely different experience. So many things are absent from Android and so many things simply don't work. Overall I'm disappointed with the browsing experience most.... half of the time the pages don't finish rendering by the time I get to the bottom, and I'm on a 20Mb connection and am only running the browser on the tablet..... I'm so torn here
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I know why you're having these issues. (I feel like that baby in those V8 commercials, *bop* you on the head)
you're doing development work with a ASUS Transformer Infinity IS your problem.
The Transformer Infinity TF700T, TF300, and TF201 / Prime tablet all have underline software (but more likely) hardware problems that are the reason they at times perform very slow. ASUS to-date still haven't resolved this with any update release, which is why I'm teetering to think this is hardware.
OP you should have gone with the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, or Galaxy Note 10.1 for your testing. SAMSUNG is quality, ASUS is just hype and they got a lot press from being the first to show off a keyboard docking tablet that can convert easily to a netbook. Fast forward nearly 2 years later and everyone copied the idea and doing it far better than ASUS.
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SAMSUNG is quality, ASUS is just hype and they got a lot press from being the first to show off a keyboard docking tablet that can convert easily to a netbook. Fast forward nearly 2 years later and everyone copied the idea and doing it far better than ASUS.
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What are these "far better than ASUS" "keyboard docking tablet that can convert easily to a netbook" you speak of? I only know of asus transformer line that can do this on android... I've been searching for higher resolution / better build quality alternative to asus transformer for a long time now and I haven't found any. (we are talking about tablets that jave keyboard docks which house extra battery, extra connections, extra storage, etc.)
I would probably stand in line for a Samsung built 10" (or bigger) tablets with nexus 10-like screen resolution that comes with detachable keyboard dock (transformer style; form tablet to notebook quick and easy) housing extra battery, storage and connections. If it came with vanilla android sans all bloatware I'd probably camp in front of the store to get one.
Something like this was rumored as part of the Samsungs Project J (now called Altius) but according to the latest leaks these rumors might not have been true :crying:
I really really really want a well built high end tablet transformer running android (I'd settle for other non-Apple && non-M$ OSes if need be), but I just can't buy one.
Commit or don't. Unlock your bootloader. Install CROMI, hell, do a dual boot with ubuntu Linux. My tf700 does almost everything my laptop can do as long as I can make the software run on an ARM cpu..
You brag about how 1337 you are, so put your mind to work and make the device work for you. I HATED the TF700 until I dumped all the stock software. the stock rom is worthless. Mine is fast and the battery lasts all damn day. I can't complain. and if Android won't do it, Linux will. The screen resolution is right, the compliment of hardware is decent and the dock with external battery is the single BEST feature it's got.
but the stock software does suck, but it's all written in C, not HTML/PHP. Be 1337 or return it and get your money back. I love mine. I personally will NEVER bite into the Apple. iOS sucks and it always will. I like being able to download the source code that runs my device and modify it the way I see fit. that's why the only mac/windows machines I use are virtual and running on my Linux box.
Buy the hardware you want and make the software you want or stfu.
and where does it say this is the "Premier Android Tablet"? It's not the Transformer Nexus... then it would be a Premier device.
sounds like yours has an ID 10 T error.
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You brag about how 1337 you are...sounds like yours has an ID 10 T error.
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hahaha... that made me laugh :highfive:
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Completely Disappointed With TF700t
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The TF700 is very disappointing in its stock state. You shouldn't have to do it to make your tablet run fast and smooth, but you should unlock the bootloader and put CleanROM on it. Further, you can go into "Developer Options" under "Settings" and disable all animations. I couldn't stand looking at the slide-show animations, so now everything pops up and opens/closes instantly and smoothly. While you're in the "Developer Options", you can also turn on "Force GPU Rendering" which helps as well.
As with some devices like the G-Tab, some phones, and the TF700, you have to unlock them and put different ROM's on them to make them run like they should've from the factory to begin with.
Once you unlock, install a ROM, and do a few tweaks (and use a different browser like Boat Browser), I think you'll be pleased at the performance of your TF700.
Uh boy...
I shouldn't be posting an opinion since the last go around thread complaining about the Infinity.
Most people that show up here on XDA are looking for an answer, guide to tweaking or perhaps even trying to help.
I get so tired of these threads touting disappointment with a device.
We all know there are bugs, deficiencies, better options, damage out of the box, on and on...
If it breaks or causes frowning return or get the frigging thing fixed.
Why the drive to whine about it here?
I wish the moderation team could gather all the booboo threads and put them in their own section so they were easier to avoid.
Then the roving gangs of haters could hang together outside of the HELP forums.
XDA ain't what it use to be...
Totally agree @thats ok
This started life as a development site, hint is in the name. I wish I could avoid these posts as well.
I come here to read about, discover and maybe release some cool mods/developments. There are other websites you can post your dissatisfaction to Asus on. They certainly won't do anything with it here.
And the answer to the issues. Unlock and flash a custom rom. How ironic.
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Totally agree @thats ok
This started life as a development site, hint is in the name. I wish I could avoid these posts as well.
I come here to read about, discover and maybe release some cool mods/developments. There are other websites you can post your dissatisfaction to Asus on. They certainly won't do anything with it here.
And the answer to the issues. Unlock and flash a custom rom. How ironic.
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You are right, and I have nothing to add as far as substance goes.
Thats OK said:
Uh boy...
I shouldn't be posting an opinion since the last go around thread complaining about the Infinity.
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I vaguely remember taking part in a few of these threads and normally they do end up pretty badly -- especially as far as these iOS v. Android type threads are concerned.
Most people that show up here on XDA are looking for an answer, guide to tweaking or perhaps even trying to help.
I get so tired of these threads touting disappointment with a device.
We all know there are bugs, deficiencies, better options, damage out of the box, on and on...
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My first Android experience ws with an LG O2x --the worst smartphone ever the carry that designation -- and I was mainly on MoDaCo then. My next device was a Samsung SGS2 (you live, you learn), and I went over to XDA. Looking back, it strikes me how friendly and open I perceived that forum to be, and that could have to do with the overall excllence of the device itself. Nonetheless, even the SGS2 has (had) its fair share of bugs and quirkyness, but it seemed so much easier to handle for some. I still don't understand why, since every appliance known to mankind has its faults, whether that is a flintstone hammer or the Space Shuttle. Going by that example: the more technologically advanced the appliance, the more opportunity for (fatal) error.
If it breaks or causes frowning return or get the frigging thing fixed.
Why the drive to whine about it here?
I wish the moderation team could gather all the booboo threads and put them in their own section so they were easier to avoid.
Then the roving gangs of haters could hang together outside of the HELP forums.
XDA ain't what it use to be...
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You're growing old, -that -- but then I guess so am I. I'm far from retirement age (partly unfortunately ) --I'm 34-- but even online I sense that life experience makes me react differently than, say, ten years ago. It's not all good, but I guess it is a normal development. I guess pretty much anything has changed over time, but we'll have to cope with it.
Have to agree stock was not all that impressive. With clean rom it is a great machine. I have to say ipad is smooth but just seems made for the simple type person. I personally love the way I get to tinker with Android systems, I think most of us are on XDA for that reason.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
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You're growing old, -that -- but then I guess so am I. I'm far from retirement age (partly unfortunately ) --I'm 34-- but even online I sense that life experience makes me react differently than, say, ten years ago. It's not all good, but I guess it is a normal development. I guess pretty much anything has changed over time, but we'll have to cope with it.
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You're right Marty
I do get grumpy a lot...
Remember the "buttery smooth" claims from ICS to JB...man when the switch happened that's when I really started frowning.
One day I said "ok that's it" and forced myself to improve things with a custom set-up.
Thank goodness I have never had the mechanical bugs that were so often reported by others.
Whew!
h0m3b0y said:
What are these "far better than ASUS" "keyboard docking tablet that can convert easily to a netbook" you speak of? I only know of asus transformer line that can do this on android... I've been searching for higher resolution / better build quality alternative to asus transformer for a long time now and I haven't found any. (we are talking about tablets that jave keyboard docks which house extra battery, extra connections, extra storage, etc.)
I would probably stand in line for a Samsung built 10" (or bigger) tablets with nexus 10-like screen resolution that comes with detachable keyboard dock (transformer style; form tablet to notebook quick and easy) housing extra battery, storage and connections. If it came with vanilla android sans all bloatware I'd probably camp in front of the store to get one.
Something like this was rumored as part of the Samsungs Project J (now called Altius) but according to the latest leaks these rumors might not have been true :crying:
I really really really want a well built high end tablet transformer running android (I'd settle for other non-Apple && non-M$ OSes if need be), but I just can't buy one.
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I'm going to give you the same response someone told me here. Your expectations are way too high.
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Suffice to say that after being in the iOS environment for the past few years, my venture into Android with the TF700 has been lackluster at best. I've had the tablet for 24 hours and have been utterly disappointed with its performance. For being the premier android tablet on the market, it's no wonder people migrating from iOS are having such terrible experiences.
Firstly, I'd say that about 20% of the apps i've downloaded have crashed or stalled on me. These are all main stream apps, nothing from small developers, its from the googles, amazon, pandora, etc...
This tablet couldn't stream music, run the ftp client, and browse the web at the same time.... the tablet was sugglish and the music would stop playing at times.
App loading time is crazy slow.... i feel like i'm working on a 486 here..... browsing speed and rendering is terrible also.... I can't believe you guys are able to actually be productive on this thing. It's most likely going in a drawer full of other ****ty devices i've bought over the years.
While not a fan of the closed of iOS ecosystem, I have to tell you that the OS is stable and polished. The apps all look beautiful and well made, the ipad doesn't freeze, and it's overall a more intuitive system. I prefer the open source aspect of android, but wow, this tablet was a complete let down. My business partner's ipad 1 is still a better and smoother experience than this piece of junk.
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Having owned a couple of ipads (1 and 2), I can tell you that iOS does crash just like all other operating systems. I've been working with many different OSes over the years, and apps crashing is an unavoidable part of life.
The reason people think iOS doesn't crash is because Apple made the decision to not inform people when something has crashed. It's pretty clever, actually. In windows, android, Linux, and everything else, whenever something crashes there is an error message telling you an error has occurred and so-and-so. But in iOS, when something crashes, you just end up back in the home screen. Most people at this point would think that they accidentally pressed the wrong button or the home button. And also, the lack of an error message means there's no interruption of experience causing the user to not remember.
I have to agree with some others here. You bragged about being a 1337 and then you went ahead and showed us you don't really know much about the systems.
I recently sold my infinity and bought an asus vivotab rt. After having used the vivotab rt for about a week, holy cow this thing is great. Both android and iOS are slow and sluggish compared to windows rt. If you want something that flies, get a windows rt tablet.
I'm amazed how there is no lag time between swipes. It's amazing to watch the screen following your finger without delay.
Another one of these? Is it really that hard to post it in an existing thread? Or do you fear you won't get as much attention if you do? Look at meeeeeeeeee, what I have to say is more important than the other person saying the exact same thing!
Let me explain a vital difference to you. XDA is a Developers forum. Not a 'moan about how a product doesn't meet your insanely high expectations' forum. And it certainly is not a 'compare it to an iCrap' forum!
Complaining can be done here: http://vip.asus.com/VIP2/Services/complain
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You're growing old, -that -- but then I guess so am I. I'm far from retirement age (partly unfortunately ) --I'm 34-- but even online I sense that life experience makes me react differently than, say, ten years ago. It's not all good, but I guess it is a normal development. I guess pretty much anything has changed over time, but we'll have to cope with it.
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I'm 22 and already I feel the internet consists entirely of elementary school children crying to their mothers about how their classmates have a lollipop and they don't... with a staggering lack of proper grammar, at that. Maybe I'm just old for my age, but I imagine it's even worse for you guys.
I'm looking for a replacement for my daughters current tablet. She has a 2012 Nexus 7.
Would the TF300T still be a worthwhile upgrade? They're selling rather inexpensively for $100 refurbished.
I know cm has a 12.1 rom for it, how does the tablet run with Lollipop?
Thanks!
Don't. It has lollipop but the whole thing is very slow.
Chris
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Runs well on KatKiss Lollipop and Katsmallow, but don't know how it compares with Nexus 2012.
Read the comments in development section for ROMs
I have both the Nexus 7 (2012) and the TF300T. My Nexus 7 doesn't get used as much these days, since it has a lot of lag with lollipop on it. I did turn off a lot of sync options on it and that helped with some of the lag.
I mostly use my Transformer. With Katkiss lollipop on it, it is very responsive and works much better than the Nexus 7. I haven't tried katkiss marshmallow on it yet, but the fact that there is still development support going on in this forum, it has a good amount of life left to it. Katkiss seems to have better features than CM 12.1.
Thanks for the information guys. I appreciate it!
Works great w/ katkiss use it everyday. It has a tegra3 GPU and over clock's the 4-core CPU flawlessly (1.7 GHz?)
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I'm looking for a replacement for my daughters current tablet. She has a 2012 Nexus 7.
Would the TF300T still be a worthwhile upgrade? They're selling rather inexpensively for $100 refurbished.
I know cm has a 12.1 rom for it, how does the tablet run with Lollipop?
Thanks!
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I have been using my TF300T for 3-1/2 years now. Every so often I get the bug to shop for a new tablet. After trying a few of the "Latest technology" I have concluded that there is nothing on the market that tops this tablet. I am currently running the latest Katshmallow OS (010). If I had a need for another one I would buy it without a second thought.
I am sure this will not always be the case, and I don't do any heavy gaming or video viewing so results may vary depending on how you use it. But for now and given the price I would say, "Go for it!"
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chrmhoffmann said:
Don't. It has lollipop but the whole thing is very slow.
Chris
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Haven't found this to be the case at all. Do you even own this tablet? Just curious.
Yes, I own the tablet and I am the cyanogenmod device maintainer.
I think that this device is utter crap and there are gazillions of tablets which work much better than this one.
If keyboard is a must, then you have much less choices I agree.
This tablet (like the nexus 7 (old version), and other transformers) suffer from underperforming nand flash storage. Just try to Google it. My guess is that katkiss and other roms perform better than CM because they overclock and because they switch off the sync after writes, so the nand performance issues show a bit less frequently.
(No criticism: katkiss is very well maintained - he does a great job and its maybe the only way to keep the device usable).
Chris
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Yes, I own the tablet and I am the cyanogenmod device maintainer.
I think that this device is utter crap and there are gazillions of tablets which work much better than this one.
If keyboard is a must, then you have much less choices I agree.
This tablet (like the nexus 7 (old version), and other transformers) suffer from underperforming nand flash storage. Just try to Google it. My guess is that katkiss and other roms perform better than CM because they overclock and because they switch off the sync after writes, so the nand performance issues show a bit less frequently.
(No criticism: katkiss is very well maintained - he does a great job and its maybe the only way to keep the device usable).
Chris
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I can google any device on the market and find negative reviews about it. But, in 3 years of using this tablet, I have been very pleased with it, at least since I moved away from stock, (which I did within a month of purchasing it). And since Katshmallow came out I have been even more impressed with the performance of this "underperforming" device.
I am also aware of the common complaints against it. Whatever the reasons for my personal experience with it, I have no major complaints against it. It runs all of the apps I use quite well with no lag or crashes. I watch Netflix and Hulu videos on it without any stuttering or buffering. It syncs with my Bluetooth devices and the audio works well. I don't do any gaming with the exception of HayDay and Pyramid Solitaire, so possibly that makes a difference.
Maybe I got lucky and have an exception to the rule. I'm sure there are other newer tablets on the market that outperform it. But as it stands now, based on my personal experience, if this tablet dies today, I would do everything I could to find another of the same model.
On another note, I appreciate the development done with CyangenMod for all Android devices. Without that development, a lot of the other custom ROM's would not exist. Thank you for your contributions to that development.
All of that said, I guess we just have to agree to disagree about the TF300T.
Well I bit the bullet and purchased the Lenovo Tab2 A10-70F tablet for both kids. They won't get them until Christmas but I've been setting them up and upgraded them to Lollipop. My experience so far is that it's a nice tablet. I get the feeling this will be to the kids what the 2012 Nexus was to me when I first got it which was an amazing tablet!
Thanks for the input guys; I do appreciate it!
chrmhoffmann said:
Yes, I own the tablet and I am the cyanogenmod device maintainer.
I think that this device is utter crap and there are gazillions of tablets which work much better than this one.
If keyboard is a must, then you have much less choices I agree.
This tablet (like the nexus 7 (old version), and other transformers) suffer from underperforming nand flash storage. Just try to Google it. My guess is that katkiss and other roms perform better than CM because they overclock and because they switch off the sync after writes, so the nand performance issues show a bit less frequently.
(No criticism: katkiss is very well maintained - he does a great job and its maybe the only way to keep the device usable).
Chris
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I was about to pull the trigger on one of these that includes the keyboard on Ebay for $100 until I read this. What tablet would you recommend that fits this criteria:
1. $150 or less
2. 9-10" screen
3. 16GB+ storage
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I was about to pull the trigger on one of these that includes the keyboard on Ebay for $100 until I read this. What tablet would you recommend that fits this criteria:
1. $150 or less
2. 9-10" screen
3. 16GB+ storage
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I stand by my previous posts and say that for $100.00 you can't go wrong with this tablet. And having the keyboard as well makes it an even better buy. I would pay twice that without hesitation. It will top anything new on the market at much higher prices. The caveat is you need to use a custom ROM to see the best performance. I highly recommend KatKiss 6.0 I have been using it for a couple of months now and have no regrets whatsoever. Prior to that I used KatKiss 5.1 and was quite pleased with it too.
The bottom line is unless somebody uses a tablet regularly there is no way they can give an accurate review on it. I've used this table for 2-1/2 years REGULARLY AND DAILY and other than the short time I was on stock I have never regretted buying it.
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I stand by my previous posts and say that for $100.00 you can't go wrong with this tablet. And having the keyboard as well makes it an even better buy. I would pay twice that without hesitation. It will top anything new on the market at much higher prices. The caveat is you need to use a custom ROM to see the best performance. I highly recommend KatKiss 6.0 I have been using it for a couple of months now and have no regrets whatsoever. Prior to that I used KatKiss 5.1 and was quite pleased with it too.
The bottom line is unless somebody uses a tablet regularly there is no way they can give an accurate review on it. I've used this table for 2-1/2 years REGULARLY AND DAILY and other than the short time I was on stock I have never regretted buying it.
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Good deal thanks. Do you think it's worth paying an extra $50 for the TF-700t?
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Good deal thanks. Do you think it's worth paying an extra $50 for the TF-700t?
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Absolutely not! I bought a TF700 for my wife about a year after buying the TF300T thinking I would be getting a faster and more capable tablet. After about a month of frustration she tossed it aside and went back to her Kindle Fire HD because it was a total piece of crap, crashing constantly and locking up at every turn. . I tried several different custom ROM's with no improvement. I finally tried KatKiss 5.1 v30 and it was usable but it sits on my nightstand gathering dust. I thought I may have gotten a lemon but after I read through pages of posts and it seemed to be issues that are very common on the TF700.
It's an amazing tablet, thanks a lot to Katkiss it is running as smooth as ever but personally I must say the tablet factor for me has worn out it's welcome it's great for consuming stuff but my next "tablet" is probably going to the SP 4 but not before MS has fixed their software bugs of course.
One thing that still stands out for me is the amazing batterly life and Asus is probably one of just a few companies having done the keyboard attachment thing right. I cringe everytime when I'm looking a t Google's pixel C attempt I mean wtf 3 "slides" to position this thing? lol and at that price I'd rather pay twice as much for me the SP 4.
The screen resolution is just decent but if you buy it make sure to root it, unlock the bootloader and install Katkiss it's the best available ROM (thanks so much) and set the cpu speed to around 1600, otherwise typing won't be a good experience. Oh and make sure to let it run out of battery after the first full charge.
yeah, asus has produced fairly good products overall in the past ~20 yrs. more often than not they do a good job at introducing proper 'consumer demo' additions to products that usually lead into the next gen. cycle, preferably.
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I can google any device on the market and find negative reviews about it. But, in 3 years of using this tablet, I have been very pleased with it, at least since I moved away from stock, (which I did within a month of purchasing it). And since Katshmallow came out I have been even more impressed with the performance of this "underperforming" device.
I am also aware of the common complaints against it. Whatever the reasons for my personal experience with it, I have no major complaints against it. It runs all of the apps I use quite well with no lag or crashes. I watch Netflix and Hulu videos on it without any stuttering or buffering. It syncs with my Bluetooth devices and the audio works well. I don't do any gaming with the exception of HayDay and Pyramid Solitaire, so possibly that makes a difference.
Maybe I got lucky and have an exception to the rule. I'm sure there are other newer tablets on the market that outperform it. But as it stands now, based on my personal experience, if this tablet dies today, I would do everything I could to find another of the same model.
On another note, I appreciate the development done with CyangenMod for all Android devices. Without that development, a lot of the other custom ROM's would not exist. Thank you for your contributions to that development.
All of that said, I guess we just have to agree to disagree about the TF300T.
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I tend to agree, but as you said, without the stock ROM. Before, with the stock OS it was almost unusable. Now with
KatKiss MM 6.0 I'm happy with the table. It isn't as snappy as my wifes new Galaxy Tab 10.1, but it is good enough
till I can replace it with a better model.