Moga joins the dark side... goes 100% proprietary - Android Apps and Games

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Notice anything missing? Mode B.
Moga is choosing to take total control of the market by making all their controllers require the Moga Enhanced API, which does not work with any other controller.
This is a departure from the Moga Pro which supports the Bluetooth HID standard in Mode B. The only benefit of the Moga Enhanced API is Gingerbread support, which no one who buys those controllers uses.
Let's face it, they are doing it to stamp out competition. I propose a full on boycott / blogger war on Moga.
The current alternatives are the the GameStop Red Samurai and The MadCatz C.T.R.L^r gamepad, both of which stick to the Bluetooth HID gamepad standard without any loss in functionallity.

Why is this the dark side? I think it's fair.
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neuropsychosis said:
Why is this the dark side? I think it's fair.
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That's like saying that ASUS's keyboard docks are evil and wrong because they use a proprietary connection system... What you expect it to work with all tablets?!? Your complaint holds no water.

jeffreygtab said:
That's like saying that ASUS's keyboard docks are evil and wrong because they use a proprietary connection system... What you expect it to work with all tablets?!? Your complaint holds no water.
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Thing is, moga currently makes an Open controller, the Moga Pro. No functionality is lost when you go on Standards mode. Games like ravensword and shiny are being forced to adopt moga's protocol because their cheapest controller only supports the proprietary connection. If you try an ouya controller, or a madcatz, or a gamestop controller, they wont work. killing competition.
Moga currently supports bluetooth HID mode on their moga pro... but they are phasing it out to make sure games wont work with other controllers.
Its more like Asus killing ascii support and requiring apps to support ASUS SDK, which does not work with other keyboards. Normally that would not work.... unless you have an overwhealming market share and the budget to price your controllers bellow cost. Like Moga does.
@jeffreygtab
The moga Pro does work with all tablets, in both modes. They are killing one mode, the one that competitors can use.
@neuropsychosis
So you would be perfectly fine if samsung started requiring apps to use the samsung sdk, and then cut support for apps that didn't. Eventually making most apps stop working on other phones. I just want competition to be based on how good the controller is, not which company was able to monopolize a proprietary connection first.

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Joysticks???

How is the progress with joystick app development for samsung galxy s?
Ps3 controller isn't availible on android
Wiimote Apps dont seem to work on galaxy s
Zeemote seems to work but it doesnt have enough buttons on it for ps1 are snes, etc.. emulation.
msi Bgp100 Don't know if this works on the galaxy s but still not enough buttons but the best out there for now.
Does anyone know new developments for joysticks for the galaxy s???
Check out Game Gripper.
Though none for Galaxy S yet with enough requests they may make one for it.
I think we'll never get gme gripper for the Galaxy S because of a little detail: it1s based on physical keyboards...
Keep an eye on this beauty
http://icontrolpad.com/
There is a semi-portable method I found using an app called WiFi Keyboard.
http://www.appbrain.com/app/wifi-keyboard/com.volosyukivan
http://code.google.com/p/wifikeyboard/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04rlhOeq6d4
I say semi because you need a laptop or any computer that can interpret the buttons you press on the game pads to your phone. You'll also need a copy of XPadder or some joystick software on your computer for the gamepad. Now if you combine these with say a netbook or mini-pc and a wireless controller such as the wiimote, XBox 360 or PS3 wireless remotes, you can control the games anywhere you have access to your phone and computer. It works without lag unlike in his video, probably because his phone couldn't handle the emulator too well. Of course, if you already have a computer on hand, the question becomes, why don't you just play it on your computer?
Ticiano said:
I think we'll never get gme gripper for the Galaxy S because of a little detail: it1s based on physical keyboards...
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haha yeah, game grippers are awesome though i had one for my nokia n900

so i bought one of those GameStop Transformers preloaded with games..

How i transfer these games off so that i can add them to my Samsung Galaxy Tab? paid $299 for the Asus Transformer.
Root and then you can extract the apks.
yup it's rooted. how do i extract the apk's exactly? where are they located?
Get a root file explorer or even astro file explorer. Not exactly sure which folders you gotta look in. Time to snoop around your files to find them
If you use Astro, just use the Tools>Applications backup>choose the apps to backup and when done you can find it in the backup>app folder.
If using Root Explorer look in data/app for applications that is download from market or sideloaded
Astro makes ir real simple, no hunting for files... Easy peazy lemon squeezy
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dieselstation said:
How i transfer these games off so that i can add them to my Samsung Galaxy Tab? paid $299 for the Asus Transformer.
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Curious about the tablets from GameStop. I ordered a transformer prime. Are they new? Or have they been opened in order to "pre load" the free games?
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I'm really curious about their wireless gaming controllers. They said they can work with the tablets they sell. I asked if I bought a transformer new elsewhere if the controller would work with it. They told me it would work. The wireless controller is $99 if you buy it seperate. I think $40 if you buy it with the tablet. That is contract evils at it's best. I'm really jealous of the gamestop ones because they have dead space (can't find on android app store), sonic CD, and some others. But it's really the game controller support i am after. I love riptide GP but I think it would be SOOOO much better with the wireless controller. If I get a tranformer prime I might get it at gamestop.
I think gamestop is going in the right direction. I bet once they get their cloud gaming going there android tablets will have them.
Myappsharer
FYI, This app is bar far the easiest way I have come across to grab an apk from one device for installation on another:
https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS55c2NoaS5NeUFwcFNoYXJlciJd
You just open the app, search for the apk you want by name or scroll through the list of apps, and then you can email it or dropbox it to yourself. Every once in a while there is an app that can't be located in /data/app. I am always able to extract the apk for those apps with Myappsharer.
colonel187 said:
Curious about the tablets from GameStop. I ordered a transformer prime. Are they new? Or have they been opened in order to "pre load" the free games?
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Well.. if it's any indication.. mine LOOKED new. all the seals were there and not broken. They probably have a deal with Asus to have them loaded with the games from the factory.
philburkhardt said:
fyi, this app is bar far the easiest way i have come across to grab an apk from one device for installation on another:
https://market.android.com/details?...1bgwsmswyldesimnvbs55c2noas5neufwcfnoyxjlcijd
you just open the app, search for the apk you want by name or scroll through the list of apps, and then you can email it or dropbox it to yourself. Every once in a while there is an app that can't be located in /data/app. I am always able to extract the apk for those apps with myappsharer.
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thanks for this!
maxvsmith said:
But it's really the game controller support i am after.
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It is just a Bluetooth controller. Thats how all wireless controllers work. And IMO, your best off to go with a Playstation DualShock3 controller and getting it to work with your tablet.
Every other controller I've owned pails compared to the responsiveness and quality of a good console controller. Perhaps their $99 controller is high quality too, but you can pick up a PS3 DS3 controller for $29 new. I picked up a white DS3 for $29 from Gamestop not too long ago. Beware they sell new and used controllers for the same price (I bought it new).
It really works fantastic. Honeycomb 3.2 has native support for gamepads, so most of the buttons work out of the box. I mostly use it for emulators with key mappings.
Perhaps someone with a Gamestop TF can provide a NVBackup of their stock rom.
I personally use the WiiRemote; cheap, fast and pain free. Most emulation I play works JUST FINE with it (the .emu series).
I do have a question for player911 though ...
I bought the Six Axis app and went through the rather grueling process of changing the blue tooth sync ID, etc.
Are you using the PS3 controller wired, via the Extension Kit? Or are you doing the whole routine like I am with the wireless? Or wired via the dock's USB?
player911 said:
It is just a Bluetooth controller. Thats how all wireless controllers work. And IMO, your best off to go with a Playstation DualShock3 controller and getting it to work with your tablet.
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find in /system/app/ then post here your files and see whether it is locked to that rom or it is universal.
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I also asked this question and couldn't find much of a response but i do remember i went into the settings and then into accounts to see it was already pre-synced to something but i don't remember what that was but i assume it has something to do with getting the games on your device
player911 said:
It is just a Bluetooth controller. Thats how all wireless controllers work. And IMO, your best off to go with a Playstation DualShock3 controller and getting it to work with your tablet.
Every other controller I've owned pails compared to the responsiveness and quality of a good console controller. Perhaps their $99 controller is high quality too, but you can pick up a PS3 DS3 controller for $29 new. I picked up a white DS3 for $29 from Gamestop not too long ago. Beware they sell new and used controllers for the same price (I bought it new).
It really works fantastic. Honeycomb 3.2 has native support for gamepads, so most of the buttons work out of the box. I mostly use it for emulators with key mappings.
Perhaps someone with a Gamestop TF can provide a NVBackup of their stock rom.
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Thank you I actually did realize this after posting. I thought, "Why not?" and I plugged my PS3 controller into the dock. It wasn't working even on as I was in Cordy. I figured, "Oh well I guess I need custom kernels or some kind of root app". I randomly decided to push and hold the home button a few times and I was making cordy jump and move. The first thing that came to my mind was "HOLY CRAP!". Well the edited word that came to my mind anyways...
I went to Riptide GP and found it wasn't working. I went to the dual control settings and I was able to control it with my PS3 controller. IT WAS AMAZING. Riptide GP is amazing by itself but with the controller holy crapy. I raised the graphics to maximum level and it looked like a Xbox (not 360) game. The graphics and effects are incredible and the precise control is unrivaled. I tried some other games though and they did not really work. I think that the Tegra 2 or Tablet Games work best. Any games that were just stretched on screen had almost no control support at all. I am not sure what other games support controllers but I want to find out. If they ever get Dead Space on Android (without buying it from gamestop) I hope that supports it as well.
...Well the controller is one thing. But I also really want Sonic CD. I love Sonic and I am still coming off of the high from Sonic Generations. Sonic CD is a game I never beat either but enjoyed playing it on a friends computer when I was younger. I think there are a few other games that the gamestop tablet comes with that are not on the android market. It actually seems like google removed ALOT of games and apps on the android market for the tablets and some it seems off the market in general. There is only two gameloft games on there for the tablet as well...
I wasn't really ever for gaming on android but now that I see how amazing it can work I am all for it. I'm all for a UMVC3 port on Android Tegra 3! I think there is a PS3 wireless app too that works on rooted androids. I am going to look into that soon. I was excited about the Wii-mote way but I am not crazy about the classic controller nunchuck wired shell. Love the design but not the wired aspect to the wii-mote. Yeah I agree I would love for someone to upload the apps that came on the gamestop tablet. I've already started looking but haven't found any online yet.
VinnyCh4se said:
I also asked this question and couldn't find much of a response but i do remember i went into the settings and then into accounts to see it was already pre-synced to something but i don't remember what that was but i assume it has something to do with getting the games on your device
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I recommend to anyone who has the tablet to back up the games using asus back up or whatever back up you use and putting it on your computer. I've already read a few stories of how some flashes caused the apps to disappear and they haven't found a way to recover them. I am not sure if google will back them up. The Asus Backup might. If all else fails try that app that someone posted the link to and put it on your computer for safe keeping. Using CMW and backing up the device might help as well.
dieselstation said:
Well.. if it's any indication.. mine LOOKED new. all the seals were there and not broken. They probably have a deal with Asus to have them loaded with the games from the factory.
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This strikes me as interesting... If the games were preloaded, then presumably Asus would also need to supply customized versions of FOTA updates for GameStop customers. I'd be surprised if that were the case for a sunsetted, heavily-discounted product, though.
using the honeycomb launcher click on the downloaded apps taband see if the games are there , if they are that means it is in data partition
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Just use mybackup or mybackup root. Backup all your apps, or just the ones you want to copy, then use the normal file explorer to go to rerware/backups/allappbackups/(todaysdate)/apps then copy the apks.
This is how I transferred deadspace to my non-gamestop transformer
i bought 2 asus pads from gamestop here in san diego and neither of them had any of the games preloaded
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Idea, xbox 360 controller emulator

So my idea is a touch based xbox 360 controller. Somewhat like gamekeyboard but with the xbox 360 layout and analog sticks. This would be great for apps like Onlive, since not all games have touch support.
I am not in anyway near capable of making this so i am hoping i am giving someone an idea
So what do you guys think?
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johrie said:
So my idea is a touch based xbox 360 controller. Somewhat like gamekeyboard but with the xbox 360 layout and analog sticks. This would be great for apps like Onlive, since not all games have touch support.
I am not in anyway near capable of making this so i am hoping i am giving someone an idea
So what do you guys think?
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The specific implementation that you describe would probably be quite difficult to do.
However, there is something similar, except you need a separate phone to use as the controller. See this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsJ_DGSPTXs&feature=player_embedded.
Or you could just get an Xperia Play
Would it be possible then to have something like gamekeyboard, wich maps the buttons on onlive correctly ( a.b.x.y,lb,rb and d-pad) to have an analogue stick?
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[Q] Bluetooth Ps3 controller help (sixaxis or similar)

I have the Samsung galaxy note 10.1 (4.1.2 GT-N8013) I want to purchase a ps3 controller to play games on because some of the controls are not friendly for hours of play. I have seen that rooting the device would, potentially, make the sixaxis app work but, If there is a simpler way to do it with a PS3 controller i would like to know.
Could you run a wired connection without a root? highly inconvenient but would get the job done. I would rather bluetooth tho
If all fails and i need to root the device please post links to the best rooting guides you have.
P.S. i have searched for the solution and there isn't on that i found. I did see the compatible games thread but i figured it was dead.
i think it wont work without root and bluetooth connection. since samsung didn't build in the ability to use high performance device on the connector port the tablet just says that it cant use the device.
i already tried it out with the xbox360 controller and an external hdd. both give me the error i stated before.
we need a kernel that supports high performance devices but i dont know if there is already one. would be nice if someone could tell if there is such kernel at the moment!
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwCatFYPM_E
seems like it works but your controller has to be fully charged
You should be able to use the PS3 controller as plug and play. I do so on my asus TF101 with games such as dead trigger and SG: deadzone, but it will only work with apps that are compatible with android conrollers. I dont this the same functionality is available for 360 controllers.
If you want to use the PS3 controller as a bluetooth controller, then you will need to root. you will also need a seperate app on your laptop so that you can load the correct address in to the controller.
It really is about time that Google added support for game controllers into the android os, considering the amount of games available and touch screen controls just don't cut it for alot of games imo.
Yes it's great that some games have built in support for pads like the 360 controller etc but the amount of games with that kind of controller support is very limited.
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Ps3 controller plug and play does work but it's touchy, it connects fine sometime other times it resisters as a high power device why I don't know I have been trying to work it out for ages
So root and it will work if the games are compatible ? Whats the best root ?
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Sadfacedbunny said:
So root and it will work if the games are compatible ? Whats the best root ?
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Its working for me even with bluetooth. I think as long as you root, have the 30pin to usb extension from samsung, sixaxis will recognize the controller and set its bluetooth.
I have the NA verizon note 10.1 n8020 and used adamoutler Take Note jailbreak.

Nyko pro pad triger buttons

Ok so by now we all know the Nyko pad is garbage. If I didn't have my galaxy s3 still floating around, I wouldn't have been able to downgrade to jb 4.1 in order to use the Nyko app to update the pro pads firmware which in itself is a ridiculous process. So even with the firmware update, the L and R triggers still don't work. I was playing Dead Trigger 2 and before the update the R trigger wouldn't work, now after the update the L trigger doesn't work. I was playing Doom GLES (awesome btw) and the triggers don't work at all. So can anyone offer any insight? Would this be the same with a diffferent controller? Is it just a matter of the apps not supporting controllers with triggers? Is there a better controller option for console mode besides the Nyko? The Nvidia Shield is an incredible device, though I bet we all wish it was a little more plug and play without all these issues. Hopefully Shield 2 will nail it.
mta1981 said:
Ok so by now we all know the Nyko pad is garbage. If I didn't have my galaxy s3 still floating around, I wouldn't have been able to downgrade to jb 4.1 in order to use the Nyko app to update the pro pads firmware which in itself is a ridiculous process. So even with the firmware update, the L and R triggers still don't work. I was playing Dead Trigger 2 and before the update the R trigger wouldn't work, now after the update the L trigger doesn't work. I was playing Doom GLES (awesome btw) and the triggers don't work at all. So can anyone offer any insight? Would this be the same with a diffferent controller? Is it just a matter of the apps not supporting controllers with triggers? Is there a better controller option for console mode besides the Nyko? The Nvidia Shield is an incredible device, though I bet we all wish it was a little more plug and play without all these issues. Hopefully Shield 2 will nail it.
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I havent had any problems with the shield and controls. Between games supporting the shield and using the gamepad mapper, i havent had any issues. I havent played a plethora of games either.
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I havent had any problems with the shield and controls. Between games supporting the shield and using the gamepad mapper, i havent had any issues. I havent played a plethora of games either.
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Are you using the Nyko pro pad in console mode and the triggers work?
mta1981 said:
Are you using the Nyko pro pad in console mode and the triggers work?
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No i should have clarified that in my OP. i have a pretty long mini hdmi cable so i just use the shield itself for a controller. If u have a ps3 controller check out six axis, i think its one of the better options when it comes to using a secondary bluetooth controller
hexitnow said:
No i should have clarified that in my OP. i have a pretty long mini hdmi cable so i just use the shield itself for a controller. If u have a ps3 controller check out six axis, i think its one of the better options when it comes to using a secondary bluetooth controller
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Yeah that was actually going to be my next thread, asking opinions about using ps3 controller and sixaxis. I'm going to try that. How long is that HDMI cable you have lol.
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mta1981 said:
Yeah that was actually going to be my next thread, asking opinions about using ps3 controller and sixaxis. I'm going to try that. How long is that HDMI cable you have lol.
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I wanna say its 20 feet long but it might be shorter and the one in my gaming room i have a 6 footer. I use my 42 inch tv as a monitor
Quick update. I returned the nyko and just for kicks I tried the Red Samurai Bluetooth controller that Gamestop sells and the triggers work without a hitch!!!!! None of the hiccups that the Nyko had and its only $25 bucks. It doesn't have a home button or the mouse mode that the Nyko has but its truly not that big of a deal to exit out of any app the long way. The right analog stick still functions as a mouse like on the shield itself so console mode is good. Played Dead Trigger 2 no problem.

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