I'm entirely new to android and i'm jst an end user who like to use new roms for his phone.. i hav an htc explorer and when i looked for sense based roms i found that there are only ICS based sense roms on the net and was just wondering why aren't there any jelly bean based sense roms??
It is important to accept that porting a ROM form another device is very tedious. You have to ensure compatibility of both software and hardware. HTC devices currently having Sense 4+ (which comes with JB) are the HTC One series, Evo, Butterfly, and the Desire X. All of them have an entirely different interface when compared to our Pico.
cute_prince just ported Sense 4.1 from Desire X, so it also may be possible for Sense 4+. All we have to do is wait and let the devs do their work. As a clear XDA rule is - no ETAs! Just one word..... Soon!
tatiraju.rishabh said:
It is important to accept that porting a ROM form another device is very tedious. You have to ensure compatibility of both software and hardware. HTC devices currently having Sense 4+ (which comes with JB) are the HTC One series, Evo, Butterfly, and the Desire X. All of them have an entirely different interface when compared to our Pico.
cute_prince just ported Sense 4.1 from Desire X, so it also may be possible for Sense 4+. All we have to do is wait and let the devs do their work. As a clear XDA rule is - no ETAs! Just one word..... Soon!
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i'm sry if it felt like an accusation towards the devs.. i knw how hard it is to port an entirely different ROM to another device.. i was just surprised that there isnt any JB based sense ROM when all the sense based roms are ported from phones with ICS nd when those phones hav been updated to JB why havnt ny1 ported these roms as of yet.. i kst wanted to knw if its even possible or sense based ROMs for our beloved pico will nly be available with ICS only.. i'm sry if i came out a lil harsh bt it ws jst pure curiousity..
Your curiosity is nice. The simple answer is that our kernel does not have a few of the features that sense 4+ uses and so although developers like @cute_prince have ported it without any known problem in the code, things like display are unfixable. Thus, until developers like @sakindia123 decide to form a team to port a kernel with these features (kernel 3.4 would be suitable) like they did for kernel 3.0.16, putting an effort into porting sense 4+ will be rendered useless
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i'm sry if it felt like an accusation towards the devs.. i knw how hard it is to port an entirely different ROM to another device.. i was just surprised that there isnt any JB based sense ROM when all the sense based roms are ported from phones with ICS nd when those phones hav been updated to JB why havnt ny1 ported these roms as of yet.. i kst wanted to knw if its even possible or sense based ROMs for our beloved pico will nly be available with ICS only.. i'm sry if i came out a lil harsh bt it ws jst pure curiousity..
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Well, smileys are intended to show what our real emotions are while writing it. It was not at all offensive, didnt seem like an accusation
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Your curiosity is nice. The simple answer is that our kernel does not have a few of the features that sense 4+ uses and so although developers like @cute_prince have ported it without any known problem in the code, things like display are unfixable. Thus, until developers like @sakindia123 decide to form a team to port a kernel with these features (kernel 3.4 would be suitable) like they did for kernel 3.0.16, putting an effort into porting sense 4+ will be rendered useless
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oh.. it never came in my mind that an entirely new kernel may be required for that purpose.. well i hope that the developers u mentioned start thinking abt that becoz we all knw JBs performance are much better then ICS
i've been using CM10 for over 2 mnths now and the only reason stopping me from trying out the sense ROMs is the fact that they are based on ICS which evryone seems to say contain some lag or some other prblm.. i jst thought JB being a better base then ICS would be more suitable for porting sense ROMs to our pico
well i would really look forward to and wait expectantly towards the day when some excellent devloper would port a sense 5 JB for our phone..
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oh.. it never came in my mind that an entirely new kernel may be required for that purpose.. well i hope that the developers u mentioned start thinking abt that becoz we all knw JBs performance are much better then ICS
i've been using CM10 for over 2 mnths now and the only reason stopping me from trying out the sense ROMs is the fact that they are based on ICS which evryone seems to say contain some lag or some other prblm.. i jst thought JB being a better base then ICS would be more suitable for porting sense ROMs to our pico
well i would really look forward to and wait expectantly towards the day when some excellent devloper would port a sense 5 JB for our phone..
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You are partially wrong. JB isn't a better base at all. It is more processor heavy and only has smooth graphically. It actually lags compared to ics which is much worse for old hardware. Also the notification drawer lags in jelly bean even in fast phones like the htc one x
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One is AOSP and the other based on HTC's. But if sense is stripped from HTC's, what is the diff?
Trying to figure this out for the last two days.
Thanks
Quattro:
http://www.virtuousrom.com/p/quattro.html
Inquisition:
http://www.virtuousrom.com/p/inquisition.html
From what I can tell, Quattro is based rom that has been built from source with custom modifications and tweaks. The entire ROM is brand new, taking no application or framework components from any prior releases. Whereas Inquisition, I believe is sort of like Sense Rom but with the Sense features removed.
forget the stripped and non stripped , u only need to knw wat i wrote , although technically there is no differnce if there are no htc apps n **** xD just alil wierdness in interface like u have.....
THE MAN Difference is that virtous inquestion is As Asop as it Can b , wid all the things just like originally From Google But better
While IN quattro
They added There Own Made Apps to replace the asop once added alittle extra theming , but quattro isnt to much abt 100% stablitly , while inquestion is oh so Good
Going back to Inquisition then
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Going back to Inquisition then
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since u r new to htc sensation if its okay wid u to hve alil bugs than go for sense 4.0 beta 14incertcoin , u wll strt to love ur sensation, the style the way sense 4.0 is made is amazing
since u r flashing now , try beta 14 for a while than restore back to inquestion if u cant handle few bugs
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since u r new to htc sensation if its okay wid u to hve alil bugs than go for sense 4.0 beta 14incertcoin , u wll strt to love ur sensation, the style the way sense 4.0 is made is amazing
since u r flashing now , try beta 14 for a while than restore back to inquestion if u cant handle few bugs
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Apprecaite all your help.
I tend to say NO to SENSE! I can't stand heavy software and so on. The file itself is twice as big as the pure AOSP rom
Sense 4 is better, but I would rather have the fastest, cleanest..... yeah yeah, you know what I mean...
Sense Sux's...and VI 4.0.1 Rocks!
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Sense Sux's...and VI 4.0.1 Rocks!
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Vi 4.0.1 IS sense, minus the launcher and a few apps...
(Not trying to diminish the work that rmk, the virtuous team, and others have pit into the rom)
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yeah. try virtuous rom.. its great
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geoffcorey said:
Vi 4.0.1 IS sense, minus the launcher and a few apps...
(Not trying to diminish the work that rmk, the virtuous team, and others have pit into the rom)
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Thanks for that. I guess you need to be a developer to really understand the diff between one and another. It might be safe to say, though, that the INQUISITION ROM would be a more stable rom since it "feels" at home on the sensation. It uses the known and the recognized. I wonder though, if it also means it should be faster as well, and bring other benefits such as better battery life.
I think only the developer himself (because he understands the code better..... in a sense, he is NEO where as the ROM is the Matrix) can answer this.....
oh well.... interesting stuff
I come from using a nexus one, and before that a g1, so I am used to having vanilla android on my phone or at least having the option to have it. I bought the one S when my phone broke down thinking that the htc sense UI would not be such bad thing. However after a few weeks I still can't seem to get used to it and actually have grown to hate it. I installed a rom that doesn't have most of sense but it still doesn't have the same feel. So getting to my question, why isn't there a rom that is just plain ics without sense. Will this ever be available?
Also kind of off topic, but why was sense ever created? I understand that htc wanted to put a twist on android but wouldn't it be enough to create the apps and widgets? I feel like some of the key features of android are lost and for little gain. What is going to happen when jelly bean rolls out? Will one S owners have to wait more while htc tweaks it to work with sense again? I have gotten really used to the hardware aspects of this phone but I am contemplating switching over to a galaxy nexus just for the benefit of having vanilla android and having more development support.
Have you tried CM9 or Paranoid?
kayc said:
I come from using a nexus one, and before that a g1, so I am used to having vanilla android on my phone or at least having the option to have it. I bought the one S when my phone broke down thinking that the htc sense UI would not be such bad thing. However after a few weeks I still can't seem to get used to it and actually have grown to hate it. I installed a rom that doesn't have most of sense but it still doesn't have the same feel. So getting to my question, why isn't there a rom that is just plain ics without sense. Will this ever be available?
Also kind of off topic, but why was sense ever created? I understand that htc wanted to put a twist on android but wouldn't it be enough to create the apps and widgets? I feel like some of the key features of android are lost and for little gain. What is going to happen when jelly bean rolls out? Will one S owners have to wait more while htc tweaks it to work with sense again? I have gotten really used to the hardware aspects of this phone but I am contemplating switching over to a galaxy nexus just for the benefit of having vanilla android and having more development support.
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What the hell do you think CM9, AOKP, and Paranoidandroid roms are????
You sir are a NOOB!
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What the hell do you think CM9, AOKP, and Paranoidandroid roms are????
You sir are a NOOB!
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They are not AOSP, they are based on it. And heavily modded. This dude just wants AOSP.
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They are not AOSP, they are based on it. And heavily modded. This dude just wants AOSP.
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CM9 isn't aosp???? My phone says otherwise. Willing to bet aokp is too... what are you talking about? CM9 isn't a sense rom dude
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aren't they all based on Sense kernel? which beats the purpose of it all.
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aren't they all based on Sense kernel? which beats the purpose of it all.
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Idk man... I'm new to this phone, but I know my phone is now on Android 4.0.4, and there isn't a single hint of sense ANYWHERE in the ROM. I also had to flash a different kernel so I would be willing to bet its not on the stock kernel
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glacierguy said:
Idk man... I'm new to this phone, but I know my phone is now on Android 4.0.4, and there isn't a single hint of sense ANYWHERE in the ROM. I also had to flash a different kernel so I would be willing to bet its not on the stock kernel
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that differen kernel is still based on a heavy "sensed" one by HTC. easily tested by it's multitasking ability or lack thereof. i don't think anybody "de-sensed" it completely yet.
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CM9, AOKP and Parandroid are not sense Based. Ohe kernel is not sense based. a good example is MIUI, there are 2 MIUI builds, one is AOSP based (based on CM9) and the other one is sense Based.
Want proof by your own? flash CM9 or AOKP and flash a sense kernel on top of it and try to boot the phone. you will get a boot loop.
CM9 is the closest you will get to an AOSP pure vainilla rom since is based on it.
You guys on the first page must be pretty challenged... CM9, AOKP, and PARANOID are based off the the CM9 source. They have NOTHING to do with Sense. The only Sense based ROM (not stock ROMs, IE TrickDroid) is one version of MIUI as it has the stock Sense camera and such...
Sense was created because it's what HTC wanted. Why is there TouchWiz, Moto Blur, or anything else like that? It's because the device manufacturers wanted their own version. Thank the dev team for the option to switch different version of Android... We will only have AOSP ROMs and not ever stock ICS (no mods) ROMs because there is no stock ICS for our device. Only Sense or AOSP.
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What the hell do you think CM9, AOKP, and Paranoidandroid roms are????
You sir are a NOOB!
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That's really funny that you're calling him out when CM is definitely not stock vanilla ics.
So, the easiest answer to this question is because no one, including the OP, has created one yet, if its even possible with what there is to work with.
I'm actually pretty happy with all of the options devs have created for this phone.
only "nexus" phones have vanilla ics
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That's really funny that you're calling him out when CM is definitely not stock vanilla ics.
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Not as funny as you saying CM9 is not aosp. It is built from aosp and made to look look and act like aosp. Don't understand you fools?????
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Not as funny as you saying CM9 is not aosp. It is built from aosp and made to look look and act like aosp. Don't understand you fools?????
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He never said that. Relax, man. The OP is just commenting on how he's tired of Sense and would prefer a more vanilla experience.
Closed Source Project said:
We will only have AOSP ROMs and not ever stock ICS (no mods) ROMs because there is no stock ICS for our device. Only Sense or AOSP.
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What does "stock ICS" actually mean in this context? AOSP is the true Android experience as Google intended, right? So, is stock ICS something else?
So we can get:
AOSP - original;
AOSP - customized;
Sense - original (default)
Sense - customized.
Is this correct?
Wouldn't we be able to get TouchWiz ROMs, for example?
I'm new to flashing ROMs and all, but I've been following the scene for the past few months, and even though I can say I'm among the brighter people, I still have difficulties understanding - mostly - the nomenclature of the scene.
We don't have it because is EVIL. That stupid google search gadget permanently stuck to all pages is ridiculously stupid. Plus indeed a lot of the interface. HTC Sense is like a cool breeze.
well i come from HTC Sensation ROMS, and in that sections there are a lots of "Senseless ROMS" where everything related with sense is removed, except for the camera, and the roms were so smooth and as fast as AOSP ROMS, the feeling was exactly the same,
I hope someone make a senseless rom for HTC One S soon because its really awesome (like a AOSP rom without any bug becaus its based on a sense rom byt without any sense part)
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well i come from HTC Sensation ROMS, and in that sections there are a lots of "Senseless ROMS" where everything related with sense is removed, except for the camera, and the roms were so smooth and as fast as AOSP ROMS, the feeling was exactly the same,
I hope someone make a senseless rom for HTC One S soon because its really awesome (like a AOSP rom without any bug becaus its based on a sense rom byt without any sense part)
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There are AOSP roms; they are just in the alpha stage of development and rather buggy in some areas. If you want a senseless ROM (as in the actual sense launcher removed), any of the HTC-based roms (including stock, non-rooted phones) can have Sense removed and replaced by any launcher from the market. I've tried the existing AOSP roms, and aside from the bugs... the stripped down HTC-roms as just a quick.
Hi guys,
I tried many ICS roms some sense and other non-sense still all are laggy and no ICS rom is comparable with GB roms especially MIUI.GB .. is that true or I'm missing something here? Is it kernel source for Desire S? I don't think so as Virtuous Saga rom is laggy too
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Virtuous Saga is a leaked ROM, it isn't final and isn't fully polished/tested. Moreover, the kernel and ROM might be running in debug or partial debug mode, dumping lots of data and slowing down the system. The only other stock ICS ROM for testing is the community ROM from chinese OTA, but it doesn't have some of the functionality.
Given proper drivers or kernel adaptation, I don't think there should be any reason for slower ICS performance. One of the causes might be lack of kernel source, and adaptations for older binary drivers that are done to compensate for it. But it's only my opinion, not facts - I can't prove or disprove it.
Hi, have you tried AOKP? I just recently restored my old GB Sense ROM after having used AOKP for the last couple of months, just to see which one feels faster. After just one day I was back on AOKP. :laugh:
ahmedsalahais said:
Hi guys,
I tried many ICS roms some sense and other non-sense still all are laggy and no ICS rom is comparable with GB roms especially MIUI.GB .. is that true or I'm missing something here? Is it kernel source for Desire S? I don't think so as Virtuous Saga rom is laggy too
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My opinion: all ICS ROMs for Desire S are still laggy and baggy in some way I've tried a couple of them and I'm still disappointed We are all hard waiting for HTC to release kernel 3.0 source. After that some problems with speed and stability will be fixed. And after that we'll see is "true" ICS on Desire S faster or not Until now - yes, faster. In my opinion, of course.
I use icecoldsandwitch and like it very much.
Its based on the AOKP rom.
Still a bit laggy but as good as it gets.
just wondering when this phone came out?? my boy has it and wanted to kno... is this phone supposed to get jelly bean?? aight fellaz im rooting my boys phone soon and wanted to kno what sense roms are good for this phone?? also i want to flash that faux123 kernel for his phone cause faux123 is a beast! what roms or rom runs great with faux123 kernel? thanks guys! daymm!! u guys are lucky! u have the best kernel dev's on this phone faux123 and showp1984!!! ru kidding me.. i wish my phone had it like that.. lol doin big things over here i see
evo401 said:
just wondering when this phone came out?? my boy has it and wanted to kno... is this phone supposed to get jelly bean?? aight fellaz im rooting my boys phone soon and wanted to kno what sense roms are good for this phone?? also i want to flash that faux123 kernel for his phone cause faux123 is a beast! what roms or rom runs great with faux123 kernel? thanks guys! daymm!! u guys are lucky! u have the best kernel dev's on this phone faux123 and showp1984!!! ru kidding me.. i wish my phone had it like that.. lol doin big things over here i see
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I think it came out around June 2011. Don't expect any official Jelly Bean updates from HTC but there are some great ROM's in the development section. If you like the Sense based ones, I recommend ViperS if you want the most latest Sense version, or ARHD if you want a slightly more stable Sense 3.6 experience.
If however you like the AOSP look seen on the Nexus devices I recommend either Bruce's CM10, Frankinstine's AOKP JB. My personal favourite is HyperNonSense which is Sense based but has the AOSP look for speed. My overall opinion would be to try them out, see what you like and make your own decision.
Hope this helped!
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I think it came out around June 2011. Don't expect any official Jelly Bean updates from HTC but there are some great ROM's in the development section. If you like the Sense based ones, I recommend ViperS if you want the most latest Sense version, or ARHD if you want a slightly more stable Sense 3.6 experience.
If however you like the AOSP look seen on the Nexus devices I recommend either Bruce's CM10, Frankinstine's AOKP JB. My personal favourite is HyperNonSense which is Sense based but has the AOSP look for speed. My overall opinion would be to try them out, see what you like and make your own decision.
Hope this helped!
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does any kernel run good with vipers rom?
evo401 said:
does any kernel run good with vipers rom?
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theres an app called Venom HUB in the rom, from there you can find and flash compatible kernels (Faux is my fav btw)
HTC Sensation
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HTC Sensation XE
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I love the developers work. enjoying it alot... is there any rom having sense 5.0 for htc sensation... it will be great fun...
Hats off to you developers..
Once again, love your work..
thesalmanster said:
I love the developers work. enjoying it alot... is there any rom having sense 5.0 for htc sensation... it will be great fun...
Hats off to you developers..
Once again, love your work..
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Sense 5 is based on JB, which is NOT available for the sensation YET, haven't you seen the CAMERA bug under TeamVenom's ViperS JB with Sense 4+? Well that's due to lack of ION for our kernel, and TeamVenom is currently working on it. So whenever Sense 4+ is ready, it'll be much easier to work on Sense 5.