GPS FIX FOR HTC DESIRE S
FIRST OF ALL! This is not my idea! Original thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263078
I just wanted to make a better thread with pictures so people can see it better
And i don't actually use this phone.
Just using my old nokia
Guys i want to make a clear instruction for you if you are having trouble with your gps.
The problems with the phone before i did the fix:
- GPS not locking at all!
- GPS can't find any satellites!
- Endless waiting just to find (with luck) 1 satellite!
And now after i did this fix:
- GPS finds 5/6 satellite under 1 minute. (if you are in a good area sometimes 7/8.
- GPS Locks constantly. even when it finds less satellites.
- Navigation works perfect
And WIFI is now stronger. Now i can connect to the router from a longer distance. outside the house the wifi router still gives me full great signal
did not effect the battery life
Warning!!!!
Before You Begin. Iam not responsible for broken devices. You just gotta be gentle with it! And use your brains
Instructions With pictures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry6Dj5JPcvY
Watch this Video! At 0:52 seconds The only thing you need to do is remove the camera cover.
Don't unscrew anything!
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Video for proof:
http://youtu.be/CPfRNOY2phg
THANKS To: hirsty19784 ( for his idea ) :good:
Original Thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263078
antenna on battery cover is for GSM/3G....wifi and GPS are under camera cover
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antenna on battery cover is for GSM/3G....wifi and GPS are under camera cover
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I have read in the forums that the battery cover is also cooperating with the GPS. I couldn't find anything good in google that shows where the gps and wifi antenna's are. But the good thing is that this fix works for me.
thank you soo much! Tried it today and worked!
I also put aluminium in these antenna's.
I can't watch the youtube video, it says "private".
The pictures' quality is very poor, couldn't you make better ones? Thank you
And, last question, do we have to unscrew something to open the phone in that way?
Giaki said:
I can't watch the youtube video, it says "private".
The pictures' quality is very poor, couldn't you make better ones? Thank you
And, last question, do we have to unscrew something to open the phone in that way?
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Videos is now Fixed!
Sorry for the poor photo quality. I am not able to make better pictures.
Maybe as soon as possible i will get a new camera. So i can make new ones.
And no you don't have to unscrew anything.
Watch this Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry6Dj5JPcvY
At 0:52 seconds you can see how you can remove the camera cover.
Thanks a lot for sharing. It fixed my WiFi!! It was broken after severel throw downs :victory:
It's not so easy to open the camera cover, because of the glue under the cover.
I put two little pieces of aluminium over the contacts, but the wi-fi cover doesn't seem to be changed.
I'll try later with the gps antenna signal.
Anyway thank you for the tips and the guide.
I noticed a boost on my 3G signal level when I bent a little bit those pins under the batter cover, then I added two small pieces of aluminium foil on the battery cover, over the "golden" contact pins
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Warning against this mod!!!!!
I would be seriously cautious about modding your phone in this way, you can cause damage!!!!
Anyone who knows about transmitters will tell you that a transmitter needs a tuned antenna or it will suffer poor performance at best and damage at worst!
The gps unit although not a transmitter is very close to the other antennas and sticking foil inside your phone on just that antenna could still cause reflection of RF energy from the other units.
modding the antennas in any way of the transmitters within the phone is even more likely to cause damage, adding the foil changes the electrical characteristics of the antenna and what is called "SWR" (standing wave ratio).
When an antenna and feedline do not have matching impedances, some of the electrical energy cannot be transferred from the feedline to the antenna. Energy not transferred to the antenna is reflected back towards the transmitter. It is the interaction of these reflected waves with forward waves which causes standing wave patterns. Reflected power has three main implications in radio transmitters: Radio Frequency (RF) energy losses increase, distortion on transmitter due to reflected power from load and damage to the transmitter can occur.
So, mod your antennas at your peril.
Bending or cleaning the spring contacts that connect to the antennas will do no harm and could actually improve the connection but anything else comes with potential risks.
Steve.
Thanks Man! My wifi signal is now much stronger!
But sometimes when iam in a bad area the wifi drops a little bit... and goes up again.
The gps fix worked a bit faster. And my 3g boosted up a little bit.i have no idea how that happend but it's awesome!
It didn't give me a huge boost but it kinda boosted every thing a little bit up!
Thanks, this boosted all my signals, as I didn't know yet where the antenna's were located.
Tried this fix but honestly it didn't improve any signal, it did not make it worse either. Maybe it's a aluminium foil quality thing
send from my desire s
steve_htc_wizard said:
I would be seriously cautious about modding your phone in this way, you can cause damage!!!!
Anyone who knows about transmitters will tell you that a transmitter needs a tuned antenna or it will suffer poor performance at best and damage at worst!
The gps unit although not a transmitter is very close to the other antennas and sticking foil inside your phone on just that antenna could still cause reflection of RF energy from the other units.
modding the antennas in any way of the transmitters within the phone is even more likely to cause damage, adding the foil changes the electrical characteristics of the antenna and what is called "SWR" (standing wave ratio).
When an antenna and feedline do not have matching impedances, some of the electrical energy cannot be transferred from the feedline to the antenna. Energy not transferred to the antenna is reflected back towards the transmitter. It is the interaction of these reflected waves with forward waves which causes standing wave patterns. Reflected power has three main implications in radio transmitters: Radio Frequency (RF) energy losses increase, distortion on transmitter due to reflected power from load and damage to the transmitter can occur.
So, mod your antennas at your peril.
Bending or cleaning the spring contacts that connect to the antennas will do no harm and could actually improve the connection but anything else comes with potential risks.
Steve.
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I completely agree with the above statement this is dangerous and may also make your signal directional (so good for one direction - away from the foil side and terrible for all other possible directions) - trust me you dont wanna be the idiot standing in a room trying to "aim" your phone for good signal. Plus there is an agps fix available at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1442032 which is much safer and definitely works locks up to 13 satelites and atains lock in about 7 to 15 seconds for me. It further speed things up by eliminating SSL encryption when it gets the network time NTP to use for GPS location fixing. As for WiFi get a better router and maybe update the radio software both easy to do and explained in detail on XDA forums, and more likely to work.
Thanks for Your article. I didn't tap a foil, but i just scrached joints. It bring my gps to life
This is what i did please correct me if is wrong if alu folia can damage something?
After that tested gps, had 0 satelites before this and now
My router in room is about 2 meters far from my bed and chair and signal was like this now that signal is from outside 7 meters trough 3 thick walls
and inside is
Thanks guys
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Is this the reason why people seem to be suffering with poor signal? Not good news
HTC Sensation suffers from death grip, iPhone 4 caught snickering
But then again nobody I know carries the phone around flat in the palm of their hand, so probably just another overreaction from the HTC Haters
just saw this at gsmarena too... can anyone do a re-test if this is true? i want to get an htc phone but these things really bother me.. please confirm guys
Just about every phone I've ever had had a death grip issue, including the Vibrant and the MT4G. Since the phones had to be held in a particularly unorthodox manner to experience this, it was a non-issue.
kgbkny said:
Just about every phone I've ever had had a death grip issue, including the Vibrant and the MT4G. Since the phones had to be held in a particularly unorthodox manner to experience this, it was a non-issue.
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I agree, if you look at the video of the Bluetooth music, when holding the phone in the normal position it works perfectly.
Yep. Just people overreacting and trying to make news.
I'd love to see a video of a phone that can't be made to suffer some signal loss by holding it in a certain way.
The key question is does it suffer significant loss by holding it in a normal manner. More practically do you get wifi, call or GPS drops when using the phone normally. Show me that video and I'll care.
I don't see this as an issue since how often or why do would you need to put a death grip on your phone
Tried to replicate these issues, cannot. The initial signals must be too weak to start with, so disappear completely - or, the whole thing is a fake.....?
Bluetooth is shorter range anyway, isn't that the point, it's meant to be low power.
My Sensation wifi reception isn't the greatest but I have no issue with it, however I hold the phone
Tbh I am surprised at a site like gsmarena posting 'sensational' claims..... without knowing the whole story.
In 2 words: bull ****.
Really, I can't understand why people are searching those issues which are not issues at all O-o
I mean, every phone does suffer from signal drops and all that kind of things, but well.. it really depends in which position.
If you look in the video, the phone works perfectly when holding it normally.. just when you hold it like I dont know what ( who will hold it like this?) the signal drops.
So I think there is nothing to worry about..
I think that this is a valid issue since when you browse the internet and hold the phone horizontally for landscape viewing then this might cause the wifi signal to drop. I have read this issue also on the HTC Desire S. I went to the store to try and its really true that when you hold it horizontally, the wifi signal would drop. So i guess that this is also happening on the HTC Sensation.
Isn't GSM arenas phone missing a contact?
slash gears sensation has an extra contact thus I'm assuming equals better reception.
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Isn't GSM arenas phone missing a contact?
slash gears sensation has an extra contact thus I'm assuming equals better reception.
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It's because SlashGear has the US version while GSMArena has the UK one.
Yeah, apparently the 4G model has an extra contact point.
The T-Mobile version needs another contact because of 1700 MHz band (not sure, I'm just guessing)
if the sensation is anything like the HD2, the GSM Antenna is in the lower part. On top are the Wifi+BT (same Antenna) and the GPS. Total of three antennas.
Also, the HD2 had the same arrangment were the back cover (plastic)had all the antennas & they were connected by similar conacts. The difference simply is that with the sensation the cover comes out when removing the battery while the HD2 had the plastic back fixed. So if there is a problem with this design we should have noticed it in the HD2 first.
Another thing, the BT streaming sample done, as per swedish source was done at 6m distance. which kinda long for purpose of bluetooth!!
Does that mean the Sensation's Wifi, Bluetooth, GPS, Radios won't work if the back cover is removed? That would be too bad coz my HD2 works fine even if the battery is exposed..
Today I found out that I am also suffering with my sensation.
It is absolutely no bull****.
This is my third HTC, I have next to my Sensation a HD2.
With my HD2 the deathgrip was only a problem when i cover the hole with my top hand, i never normaly do that so it wasn't a problem.
But with my sensation its a much bigger problem.
If i hold him in my right hand, there is no problem.
if i hold him in my left hand and touch with my right finger then you see that he is losing signal.
if i hold him in landscape mode then almost all my wifi signal is gone.
If i hold him in my right hand and tick with my right finger on the top of the sensation, the wifi wignal drops down.
And the biggest problem is that he loses the wifi signal and then he is searching again for wifi.
I have never tested Bluetooth, and i have 3 antenna points in the cover.
maybe i will make a video later.
and sorry for my bad english, google translate Helps me
luffyp said:
Does that mean the Sensation's Wifi, Bluetooth, GPS, Radios won't work if the back cover is removed? That would be too bad coz my HD2 works fine even if the battery is exposed..
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when i remove the back cover all my signal is gone, he says: No service!
because of the bad range.
Hard to belive ppl are not thinking this is a problem.
That Position is MUCH more common then the Iphone 4 death grip... Also the issue is much more prominent on the Sensation then on the Iphone 4.
EDIT: I can NOT belive how accepting ppl are of the HTC sensations faults. It REALLY saddens me.
PPl.. there is no need to Defend HTC with your life. They are one Company. We should be choosing best company not being fan boys. Every1 should be able to recognize the problems phone have.
Maedhros said:
Hard to belive ppl are not thinking this is a problem.
That Position is MUCH more common then the Iphone 4 death grip... Also the issue is much more prominent on the Sensation then on the Iphone 4.
EDIT: I can NOT belive how accepting ppl are of the HTC sensations faults. It REALLY saddens me.
PPl.. there is no need to Defend HTC with your life. They are one Company. We should be choosing best company not being fan boys. Every1 should be able to recognize the problems phone have.
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I was a littlebit a fanboy from HTC, I really like HTC's design.
But the Sensation dissapoint me.
Hi, yesterday i open my gtab and i saw the wifi antena its very small
Is there any way to change it? or amplyfi the wifi signal by changing it?
I was thinking changing for one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-New-Lap...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item5ae928d096
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-Laptop-...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item5ae6213b5f
http://www.ebay.com/itm/U-FL-Mini-P...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item4cf5ef6d82
I think this its the best:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/U-fl-Laird-...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item416946edf8
Problem solved (Antenna) i will get one OMNIDIRECTIONAL ANTENNA 9bi and try to get inside the tablet, i will post pictures by request.
anyone?
A solution for you would be this:
buy one of these (dont have to use fleabay of course, but it must be IPX to RP-SMA)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/U-fl-IPX-to...824?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4a9fb5aa28
drill a hole on top/side to fit perfectly and screw it in, the ipx end will attach (snap on) to the motherboard.
then you can buy one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7dbi-2-4GHz...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item45fbc0cf30
or you could even get one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Netgear-Pro...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item415fa80efb
this one would not be portable but you would have a great signal!!
your only requirements are the IPX connector and an RP-sma adapter if the antenna you buy does not have an Rp-sma connector
Our antenna is like the second one I linked, just way smaller, probably 2 or 3 dbi.
In terms of signal, every 3dbi is a double in gain, so a 7db would be double or triple stock antenna strength
You have the right idea, but anything less than 5db would be a waste of time, you wont notice much, and the patch antennas are directional. The external rabbit ear type will receive from any direction
to mods: I am not a vendor and I hope linking to fleabay is not against the rules. I will change if needed.
redeyedjedi said:
A solution for you would be this:
buy one of these (dont have to use fleabay of course, but it must be IPX to RP-SMA)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/U-fl-IPX-to...824?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4a9fb5aa28
drill a hole on top/side to fit perfectly and screw it in, the ipx end will attach (snap on) to the motherboard.
then you can buy one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7dbi-2-4GHz...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item45fbc0cf30
or you could even get one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Netgear-Pro...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item415fa80efb
this one would not be portable but you would have a great signal!!
your only requirements are the IPX connector and an RP-sma adapter if the antenna you buy does not have an Rp-sma connector
Our antenna is like the second one I linked, just way smaller, probably 2 or 3 dbi.
In terms of signal, every 3dbi is a double in gain, so a 7db would be double or triple stock antenna strength
You have the right idea, but anything less than 5db would be a waste of time, you wont notice much, and the patch antennas are directional. The external rabbit ear type will receive from any direction
to mods: I am not a vendor and I hope linking to fleabay is not against the rules. I will change if needed.
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you say your antenna its 2 or 3dbi (
Our antenna is like the second one I linked, just way smaller, probably 2 or 3 dbi.
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but also say
but anything less than 5db would be a waste of time
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so, what about your antenna? did you see any difference from stock antenna?
i dont want to have any external antenna, because i use it most of times with some of my clients, and having some external antenna takes the "stylish" thing to the g-tablet, i have even consider to buy some carbon fiber for the back
so you say that the last option i consider (the black internal antenna rectangle) will be useless? or worst than the stock antenna?
can you send me a picture of the work you made with your tablet?
NO, the STOCK antenna is 2 or 3 dbi. If you upgrade to a 4dbi like the one you linked to, you will not notice a difference, but if you went up to 5dbi or 6 or 7, you will notice an improvement. They make patch antennas which may fit inside our tab, but if you do not get at least 5, it is a waste of time. I have not changed mine, but I have a lot of PC experience getting people wifi from long range. I have even set up a connection two miles away using a 24dbi dish from an mmds system. I am just saying that wifi reception is based on signal level, measured in DB, and every +3DB is equal to double the reception strength. If you go from our STOCK 3DBi to the one you showed, you will be mad that your signal is the same. go to atleast 5, and you will see a difference. Some people think their wifi is crappy because they do not realize our STOCK antenna is directional, and if facing the wrong way, signal will be weak. I only suggest the external antenna for a more noticeable improvement. You will have to choose style over strength or vice-versa.
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NO, the STOCK antenna is 2 or 3 dbi. If you upgrade to a 4dbi like the one you linked to, you will not notice a difference, but if you went up to 5dbi or 6 or 7, you will notice an improvement. They make patch antennas which may fit inside our tab, but if you do not get at least 5, it is a waste of time. I have not changed mine, but I have a lot of PC experience getting people wifi from long range. I have even set up a connection two miles away using a 24dbi dish from an mmds system. I am just saying that wifi reception is based on signal level, measured in DB, and every +3DB is equal to double the reception strength. If you go from our STOCK 3DBi to the one you showed, you will be mad that your signal is the same. go to atleast 5, and you will see a difference. Some people think their wifi is crappy because they do not realize our STOCK antenna is directional, and if facing the wrong way, signal will be weak. I only suggest the external antenna for a more noticeable improvement. You will have to choose style over strength or vice-versa.
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Thats great info! i made a research
and as you say, omnidirectional will be best option
so, instead of having an EXTERNAL antenna as you suggested
why no put inside the tablet?
will work the same right? and will be omnidirectional , right?
as the space inside gtablet with the both plastic covers isnt that much
i tought this its my best option:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4GHz-7dbi...090?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f05ccd302
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/RP-SMA-fema...761?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab4023a39
I will just dismantle it, and make it happen inside the tablet (the plastic cover around antenna its useless right?its just for protection? since will be inside tablet no need protection, right?)
another options are this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Lin...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item1e677a7dd1 (this its directional only, will be that bad?) (but its ufl/ipx :good
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Band-2...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item20c639d4fb (cheapest but 1 dbi less, its that much difference?)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7dBi-Linksy...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item1e6e6818b5
As your an expert in this specific area, what do you suggest me from this options?
I know Linksys its a great company for wireless solutions, right?
but ,chinese omnidirectional 7dbi vs Linksys directional 7dbi
What you think will be better for my specific case? I know its hard, since its omni vs directional antenna, and also no-brand vs good company
Hope you can help me with this last questions
thanks
Get the cheapest one you can find. Actually, get 2 of them. All they are is a wire which is cut to the right wavelength, and they have a ball shaped ground plane towards the bottom. If you get one from a router, it will even have an IPX connector on the end of it already. I say get 2 because if you are careful, you can cut the outer rubber/plastic away and have just the wire, which will easily fit inside the gtab case, and still work even if you curl it around. They are really cheap, so if you get 2, you can mess up on 1, and still have the other.
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Get the cheapest one you can find. Actually, get 2 of them. All they are is a wire which is cut to the right wavelength, and they have a ball shaped ground plane towards the bottom. If you get one from a router, it will even have an IPX connector on the end of it already. I say get 2 because if you are careful, you can cut the outer rubber/plastic away and have just the wire, which will easily fit inside the gtab case, and still work even if you curl it around. They are really cheap, so if you get 2, you can mess up on 1, and still have the other.
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THATS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR ME!
just one last dub!
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you mean like CURVED as an L or U (like in the picture)?
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like the image above?
and will work the same?
If it does will work the same, then i can buy a higher DBI antenna, and just curve it as an L in the angle of the Gtablet
i saw 17dbi antenna that are 20-30cm something lenght
so i can curve in the angle, and will fit great inside tablet
i'm right?
yes, you're right. If it is the right wavelength it will work, as long as it will fit. a 17dbi would be longer than that though, sounds like a FAKE. ALFA makes one that is 9dbi, thats the best REAL one I have seen.
redeyedjedi said:
yes, you're right. If it is the right wavelength it will work, as long as it will fit. a 17dbi would be longer than that though, sounds like a FAKE. ALFA makes one that is 9dbi, thats the best REAL one I have seen.
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could you send me some ebay link for that one your talking (9dbi)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WiFi-Wirele...ectional_Network_Antennas&hash=item45fa984463
This is not a cheapo chinese, be careful taking the plastic off. I own one of these, it works great, look at all that have been sold already.
old thread dig up
Any updates on this, I hate my WiFi connection, anyone got any pic
timritchieblue said:
Any updates on this, I hate my WiFi connection, anyone got any pic
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i test a DIY wifi antenna, and didnt work better
but it work
so, yes, you can change with a better antenna
its just that a better antenna will be 10$+ and actually i dont want to spend that money just for an antenna
I chose the Z1 Compact as I like to run/bike with my phone; not so that I can use things like Strava/RunKeeper/Endomondo etc but becuase I
a. listen to music
b. take calls
c. take photos
d. like my loved ones to track me in case of emergency
e. make calls in case of emergency
etc
So the high spec, waterproofness and size really appealled to me
And I have to say.. it is proving a delight.
I have now finalised my run/bike setup and thought you guys might be interested in the set up.
Photos attached
Run:
Armband: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Xperia-Z1-Compact-Shocksock/dp/B00HUGVTIE
I have tried various armband cases over the decades (!!) but this one I have for the Z1 Compact is the best to date (and one of the cheapest)
It has a nice amount of stretch, a little key pocket and nice velcro closure that doesn't rub.
I would say though that it is not a tight fit in the armband case (it is NOT custom made for the phone).. but that is fine with me as I can easily slip in and out, it works with my normal case I have for the phone, and is still secure and not had issues on long runs (+20k)
If you want the smallest possible case for the phone then look elsewhere
The screen is responsive enough through the clear screen, but as with all the cases, the power button of the phone is in a bit of an awkward position
Bike:
Handlebar case: http://topeak.com/products/bags/smartphone_drybag_5in_bk2
Why bother with a waterproof case?
Well.. I suppose I didn't really need to, but I wanted something for the handlebars that would protect it in case of a fall a bit more, but wouldn't be too bulky. (also.. I could be on the bike in the rain for upwards of 6hrs.. not sure if the IP rating could handle that!)
The fit is actually perfect: I can just squeese in with the my normal case (Krussel FrostCover) still on. Without the case it is still a nice and snugg fit with no flapping around.
Screen responsive enough through the clear plastic front
The power button is okayish to press on the go
The downside I see with this is that the inbuilt clip on the back means that on bumps it can 'slap' a bit, so I might look at fixing that somehow (the case is good enough that I would want to do that rather than look for another solution)
also, if you wanna take phonts you need to take out of the waterproof case.
Run/Bike:
Headphones: http://www.jaybirdsport.com/bluebuds-x-bluetooth-headphones/
I understand people who say you should not use headphones while running/biking outdoors, but I do like to do it
These bluetooth headphones are the best out there.
Expensive but worth it: can use in the rain, no long cord, answer calls etc.
They have already proven the best sports headphones I have ever bought
The only downside I would say is that the stock earbuds can fall out, so I use comply foam buds (http://www.complyfoam.com/products/S-500/)
That makes the fit perfect and secure (can run for 2hrs without needing to adjust once)
No dropouts.
Hope this is helpful.
I really am in a near perfect place now with my setup.
I first started looking for the ideal set up to run/bike with, in 2002 (using the first phone that I started to run with).. I have finally found it (until the wearable tech means I use something other than a phone in a few years)
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Milkywaye said:
I chose the Z1 Compact as I like to run/bike with my phone
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Thank you very much for your feedback :good:. Quite similar need for me: day long mountain bike and hike sessions.
I'm curious about any setup allowing charging the phone with a dynamo, but still being waterproof, or anything allowing to extend the battery life for a complete day of use as GPS track recorder and map. I have in mind a setup based on something similar to the Shimano Dynamo Generator Hubs.
Regarding the power button, I hope Tap2Wake & Wake 2 Touch, or any other similar feature, will be soon available for the Z1 Compact.
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Thank you very much for your feedback :good:. Quite similar need for me: day long mountain bike and hike sessions.
I'm curious about any setup allowing charging the phone with a dynamo, but still being waterproof, or anything allowing to extend the battery life for a complete day of use as GPS track recorder and map. I have in mind a setup based on something similar to the Shimano Dynamo Generator Hubs.
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Yeah.. the phone batteries are not quite up to the extended rides or ultras.
tbh that is why I use a Garmin Edge for my long rides (i don't need to go longer than that battery allows) and not use my phone for tracking.
in the past I have used different things for keeping the juice of my phone going (additional batteries, external batter packs etc).. but I think this is one of the weaknesses of the phone for that application
[1] the magnets on the magnetic charging socket tend to be weak so on a bike you will probably need to keep on reconnecting or use some sort of tape to tape the socket in place
[2] the normal usb charging socket is in an awkward position.. so the cable would jut out to the side.. but worse.. you lose the waterproofness and more worryingly, the flap is in a dangerously vulnerable position to breakage
[3] no removable battery
If i needed to charge on the go (on the bike) then I would defintely look at utilising the magnetic socket and tape the plug n place.
that would then leave the issue of keeping the phone out of the elements (especially on extended downpours) and for that you would need a different mount to the topeak one (not broad enough to have the charger in the bag as well)
there is also the other issue of amps.. you need to make sure that the phone is being given enough amps to actually charge. not sure a dynamo would do that,.. but those battery packs would if you choose the right one
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When you do get something sorted.. then post piccies! very interested to see what you come up with
Nice post!
I used the same Topeak case with my late SGS3, which was a very tight fit...
I have used it in different conditions over half a year and found one big nuissance with it. That clear plastic gets foggy from the inside and you have to clean that up every now and then (sealed rolled and everything). And I'm not a neat freak... also I don't have sticks for fingers, so cleaning all of it is just not pleasant...
As for the charging en route... you could still hook the dynamo output by soldering the wires (actually with some connector) to a solar battery - as complimentary powersource to the solar cell. Then charge from that, which gives a more stable output. Worst case scenario is that going downhill may fry a solar battery instead of the phone...
Anyone had any over heating or DVR issues?.
Recently after nasty traffic trip of 2 hours (longest trip so far with this unit) I noticed that the OBDII torque app wouldn’t work (not unheard of) but then the sound attenuation wasn’t snapping off after nav directions, so I tried the volume knob and guess what no response, buttons not working and within seconds the whole unit packed up totally.
Did a reset and it was still glitchy.
Then I realised it was red hot, pulled the trim away and touched under the unit and it was burning hot.
Since then it’s crashed a few times and Waze (normally rock solid) has acted up with issues around gps signal being slower than my driving and just hanging and crashing.
Ps is the uk and it’s wet and cold, also tons of space inside the dash as it’s installed in a Van.
One thing at the time was that I have the usb in the glove box and at the time I was using it to keep my phone charged. Not sure if that was a factor?.
Since the. I’ve stopped charging the phone off that as I now have the DVR and DAB(not used the dab yet). But I’ve found the dvr cottage is jerky and that when running the DVR it causes the Rev cam footage to jump a few times too (sketchy when reversing in tight areas in the van).
So any one experienced over heating?, could one overheating event have damaged the cpu?, and could the DVR issue be related this?. Or does the DVR take a lot of processing power?.
Not an expert but when Inlookednin settings the rams never been used beyond 50% since the DVR was hooked up and the DVR is digital and the Rev cam is analog so why would it affect it?, but it really does.
Had a nightmare with separate dash cams (3 off amazon in a row had faults) so was hoping the dvr would be the answer.
Loath to lose it just today coming back from the woods with the family a Z4 nearly Head on’d us on a narrow lane as he swerved off the main road!!.
I’ve already agreed to return it to audio tech direct after Xmas as the green phone buttons dead but should I complain about the overheating and demand a replacement?. It’s only 2 months old
Give them a link to your post and google similar problems to find others with the same heat issue.
I installed 2 fans in my unit (not the same as yours) one directly on the cpu heatsync sucking the hot air off and another bigger pc fan that sucks the hot air out of the whole unit which is overkill but whatever lol
Hi, luckily they are replacing this one. Cooling wise I was thinking about sticking fans on the vent holes to suck hot air out and wire into the ignition so they come in with the radio, can attach on top externally and not void warranty. Won’t be able to add a heat sink though without opening up. Though I peeked into the Holes and there seem to be a corregated aluminium plate on top of the cpu, more ribbed than finned. Could that be a factory heat sink?
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I'm having exactly the same issue as you....
I have a PX5 Xtrons (GS) head unit and whenever i run Waze/Google Maps or any navigation app, after 30+ minutes , i get a "GPS lost, searching for GPS" message and the tracking starts to lag behind. Changing tracks/radio stations or volume at that time has a big delay. Today i got a "Temperature too hot" message and system shuts down.
How do i go about adding a fan/heat-sink onto these things? are there any tutorials etc?
Don’t know, there’s holes in top so I’m planning on a small 12v fan on top to suck the hot air out. Going to take a feed off the 12v power socket. Don’t want to open and stick heat sinks on as it’s under warranty but the fans can double tape externally.
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Give them a link to your post and google similar problems to find others with the same heat issue.
I installed 2 fans in my unit (not the same as yours) one directly on the cpu heatsync sucking the hot air off and another bigger pc fan that sucks the hot air out of the whole unit which is overkill but whatever lol
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Can I ask how you powered your fans? I added a few heat-sinks to my system and although now it runs much smoother, temperatures do go up to 110-115 degrees Celsius. So now instead of becoming slow after 30 minutes, it now takes over an hour. I noticed a fan shaped hole in the back of my system which i am thinking about attaching a small fan on to to suck the warm air out.
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Can I ask how you powered your fans? I added a few heat-sinks to my system and although now it runs much smoother, temperatures do go up to 110-115 degrees Celsius. So now instead of becoming slow after 30 minutes, it now takes over an hour. I noticed a fan shaped hole in the back of my system which i am thinking about attaching a small fan on to to suck the warm air out.
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I wired them to aux power in line and ground.
I plan on in the future finding a heat sensor so when the unit reaches a certain temp they'll turn on and off automatically
So my cheap fans arrived from China and I’ve temporarily taped them over the vent holes on the top, after some messing around I’ve opted to push cool air in so have placed them to blow into the top holes, can feel air coming out of the opposite top vent holes, hoping this will help till I work out how to duct the permanent cool duct my van has into the unit. Terrible radio interference when the fans are on now though and ideas how to avoid that?
It’s ok seems to have settled. Blue tooth is crapping out now so may just return.
Hi,
I have a Motorola G Play and what I desire to do is to remove the motherboard and take the components that provide the wifi, 4g, and bluetooth capabilities to the phone.
I have never done this before and I understand that the tool to use is the soldering iron. I've never used one of those before either.
I wondered if anyone had any experience with this or where I should find the diagram for the motherboard. I understand that the bluetooth and 4g run on the same current, and if you disable one then you disable the other. But I don't know if it compromises anything else dependant on the current.
If you have any experience or information, it would be appreciated.
Thank you.
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You'll destroy that mobo... guaranteed
Unless you have specialized and very expensive equipment as well as intimate knowledge of the components involved, this will be an impossible undertaking.
The communications module is integrated into the SoC, for which the design and diagrams are proprietary intellectual property.
My recommendation: Abandon this idea and get yourself a Raspberry Pi.
I like your attitude, but as @V0latyle says most of that stuff is integrated into the SoC and you're not going to get that with a soldering iron.
The Raspberry Pi is not a bad suggestion.
If you want to go low-level I suggest you pick one, WiFi or Bluetooth to start.
There are lots of modules that do this.
You can also do Bluetooth peripherals.
Why not even start with USB peripherals, there's a lot of fun there.
If your goal is to disable the transmitters you could disable all wireless then try finding the antennas and detach them. Avoid unsoldering anything from the mobo as they are easy to damage by poor technique.
I don't see the point though...
I do a lot of sensitive work and I use smartphones for the convenience. They run the apps I need but apps leak and apps steak and apps make a backdoor for "hackers" (i.e. cops) who want valuable intellectual property or intelligence that's digital and easy to steal-store-sell or adopt.
Instead of rooting, which I Am not opposed to, I thought maybe I could find the components for signal processing and disable them but leaving the rest of the processes intact.
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I like your attitude, but as @V0latyle says most of that stuff is integrated into the SoC and you're not going to get that with a soldering iron.
The Raspberry Pi is not a bad suggestion.
If you want to go low-level I suggest you pick one, WiFi or Bluetooth to start.
There are lots of modules that do this.
You can also do Bluetooth peripherals.
Why not even start with USB peripherals, there's a lot of fun there.
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Hi Renate,
I'm not sure I understand; I'm really new to this--by peripheral do you mean to connect other devices? Such as a keyboard? I Am looking to disconnect ALL signals to and from the phone without disrupting it's ability to run apps or store data.
I cannot take any risk of "hackers" stealing data via any radio waves of any kind.
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Hi Renate,
I'm not sure I understand; I'm really new to this--by peripheral do you mean to connect other devices? Such as a keyboard? I Am looking to disconnect ALL signals to and from the phone without disrupting it's ability to run apps or store data.
I cannot take any risk of "hackers" stealing data via any radio waves of any kind.
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Then make sure your traffic is encrypted. Bluetooth does this automatically, and most WiFi networks are encrypted too.
Better yet, go off grid and don't use a smart device at all.
I build precision microelectronics for a living. You will not be able to accomplish what you want to do with a soldering iron. Those boards are manufactured by million dollar machines in a tightly controlled process. Smartphones are not hand soldered, and any repairs involve replacement of complete assemblies.
Since the comms module is integrated into the processor, the only thing you can do is disable those functions in Android - but that won't fully disable everything.
So, you have a choice to make. Either accept the fact that the convenience of being connected comes at the cost of privacy and exposure...Or, you can completely sever yourself from the Internet. Take your money out of the bank and store hard cash in a vault. Use only cash for your transactions. Never keep anything in any digital form unless it's fully contained in a certified Faraday cage.
If you take apart your phone you'll see the antenna connections.
There are two types, tiny round ufl coax connectors and gold spring pins that go to sticky antennas.
You can pull up all the matte black sticky antennas.
If you have ufl connectors you can burn your bridges and put a solder blob in the center.
Usually the antennas go by band, so if you kill WiFi you'll also kill Bluetooth and maybe GPS.
Renate said:
If you take apart your phone you'll see the antenna connections.
There are two types, tiny round ufl coax connectors and gold spring pins that go to sticky antennas.
You can pull up all the matte black sticky antennas.
If you have ufl connectors you can burn your bridges and put a solder blob in the center.
Usually the antennas go by band, so if you kill WiFi you'll also kill Bluetooth and maybe GPS.
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The problem is, most antennas are printed on the board, there probably won't be any connectors at all.
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The problem is, most antennas are printed on the board, there probably won't be any connectors at all.
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Really? I've seen a lot of "hairpins" and "wiggles" right on the PCB on WiFi and Bluetooth modules (makes the FCC or other acceptance easier).
Most of the Androids I've gutted have black stickies or metal strips inset into the plastic.
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Really? I've seen a lot of "hairpins" and "wiggles" right on the PCB on WiFi and Bluetooth modules (makes the FCC or other acceptance easier).
Most of the Androids I've gutted have black stickies or metal strips inset into the plastic.
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There are multiple ones and in Samsung's some are in bizarre places.
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I can see a Faraday cage in the OP's future...
Renate said:
If you take apart your phone you'll see the antenna connections.
There are two types, tiny round ufl coax connectors and gold spring pins that go to sticky antennas.
You can pull up all the matte black sticky antennas.
If you have ufl connectors you can burn your bridges and put a solder blob in the center.
Usually the antennas go by band, so if you kill WiFi you'll also kill Bluetooth and maybe GPS.
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Ok, thank you. I have another cheap Android around here and I'll experiment with that one. I have a heat gun and screwdriver kit on the way. This is a priority for those of us who use electronics for intelligence or sensitive proprietary data who are not government employees or Fortune 500 employees.
It is very easy for law enforcement to get into your electronics. They have supposedly made over $200,000 on My work before I had an opportunity to earn anything at all. They even intercept emails, adjust social media accounts, etc, while getting copycats of your ideas up and running. So this is a priority for Me. Thanks for the advice.
-93Nietzsche