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Kickstarter Basics: Kickstarter 101
What's Kickstarter?
Kickstarter is a funding platform for creative projects. Everything from films, games, and music to art, design, and technology. Kickstarter is full of ambitious, innovative, and imaginative projects that are brought to life through the direct support of others.
Since our launch on April 28, 2009, over $500 million has been pledged by more than 3 million people, funding more than 35,000 creative projects. If you like stats, there's lots more here.
How does Kickstarter work?
Thousands of creative projects are funding on Kickstarter at any given moment. Each project is independently created and crafted by the person behind it. The filmmakers, musicians, artists, and designers you see on Kickstarter have complete control and responsibility over their projects. They spend weeks building their project pages, shooting their videos, and brainstorming what rewards to offer backers. When they're ready, creators launch their project and share it with their community.
Every project creator sets their project's funding goal and deadline. If people like the project, they can pledge money to make it happen. If the project succeeds in reaching its funding goal, all backers' credit cards are charged when time expires. If the project falls short, no one is charged. Funding on Kickstarter is all-or-nothing.
Why is funding all-or-nothing?
All-or-nothing funding is a core part of Kickstarter and it has a number of advantages:
It's less risk for everyone. If you need $5,000, it's tough having $1,000 and a bunch of people expecting you to complete a $5,000 project.
It motivates. If people want to see a project come to life, they're going to spread the word.
It works. Of the projects that have reached 20% of their funding goal, 82% were successfully funded. Of the projects that have reached 60% of their funding goal, 98% were successfully funded. Projects either make their goal or find little support. There's little in-between.
To date, an incredible 44% of projects have reached their funding goals.
Can Kickstarter be used to fund anything?
We allow creative projects in the worlds of Art, Comics, Dance, Design, Fashion, Film, Food, Games, Music, Photography, Publishing, Technology, and Theater.
Everything on Kickstarter must be a project. A project has a clear goal, like making an album, a book, or a work of art. A project will eventually be completed, and something will be produced by it.
Kickstarter does not allow charity, cause, or "fund my life" projects. Check out our project guidelines for details.
Does Kickstarter screen projects before they launch?
Only a quick review to make sure they meet our project guidelines. Kickstarter does not investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. Backers ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it. See the Accountability section for more.
Why do people back projects?
A lot of backers are rallying around their friends' projects. Some are supporting people they've long admired. Many are just inspired by a new idea. Others are inspired by a project's rewards — a copy of what's being made, a limited edition, or a custom experience related to the project.
Backing a project is more than just giving someone money, it's supporting their dream to create something that they want to see exist in the world.
Where do backers come from?
In most cases, the majority of funding initially comes from the fans and friends of each project. If they like it, they'll spread the word to their friends, and so on. Press, blogs, Twitter, Facebook, and Kickstarter itself are also big sources of traffic and pledges. Altogether, millions of people visit Kickstarter every week.
Do backers get ownership or equity in the projects they fund?
No. Project creators keep 100% ownership of their work. Kickstarter cannot be used to offer financial returns or equity, or to solicit loans.
Some projects that are funded on Kickstarter may go on to make money, but backers are supporting projects to help them come to life, not financially profit.
What are the fees?
If a project is successfully funded, Kickstarter applies a 5% fee to the funds collected.
In the US, pledges will be processed by Amazon Payments, while in the UK, pledges will be processed securely through a third-party payments processor. These payment processing fees work out to roughly 3-5%. View the US and UK fee breakdowns.
Who is Kickstarter?
We're 57 people based in a tenement building in New York City's Lower East Side. We spend our time making the site better, answering questions from backers and creators, and finding great new projects to share with you. Every day is an adventure — we get to experience projects as they happen! Say hello or come work with us!
Kickstarter Basics: Accountability Top ↑
Who is responsible for completing a project as promised?
It's the project creator's responsibility to complete their project. Kickstarter is not involved in the development of the projects themselves.
Kickstarter does not guarantee projects or investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. On Kickstarter, backers (you!) ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it.
How do backers know if a project will follow through?
Launching a Kickstarter is a very public act, and creators put their reputations at risk when they do.
Backers should look for creators who share a clear plan for how their project will be completed and who have a history of doing so. Creators are encouraged to share links and as much background information as possible so backers can make informed decisions about the projects they support.
If a creator has no demonstrable experience in doing something like their project or doesn't share key information, backers should take that into consideration. Does the creator include links to any websites that show work related to the project, or past projects? Does the creator appear in the video? Have they connected via Facebook?
Don't hesitate to request information from a creator. You can always reach out before pledging via the "Contact me" button on the project page.
How do I know a project creator is who they claim they are?
Perhaps you know the project creator, or you heard about the project from a trusted source.
Maybe they have a first-person video. That would be hard to fake. "Is it really U2?!" Well, it is if Bono's talking about the project.
Still not sure? Look for the creator bio section on the project page. Are they Facebook Connected? Do they provide links for further verification? The web is an invaluable resource for learning more about a person.
At the end of the day, use your internet street smarts.
What should creators do if they're having problems completing their project?
If problems come up, creators are expected to post a project update (which is emailed to all backers) explaining the situation. Sharing the story, speed bumps and all, is crucial. Most backers support projects because they want to see something happen and they'd like to be a part of it. Creators who are honest and transparent will usually find backers to be understanding.
It's not uncommon for things to take longer than expected. Sometimes the execution of the project proves more difficult than the creator had anticipated. If a creator is making a good faith effort to complete their project and is transparent about it, backers should do their best to be patient and understanding while demanding continued accountability from the creator.
If the problems are severe enough that the creator can't fulfill their project, creators need to find a resolution. Steps could include offering refunds, detailing exactly how funds were used, and other actions to satisfy backers.
Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?
Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) We crafted these terms to create a legal requirement for creators to follow through on their projects, and to give backers a recourse if they don't. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill.
Can Kickstarter refund the money if a project is unable to fulfill?
No. Kickstarter doesn't issue refunds as transactions are between backers and creators, and creators receive all funds (after fees) soon after their campaign ends. Creators have the ability to refund backers through Amazon Payments (for US projects) and Kickstarter (for UK projects).
Why can't Kickstarter guarantee projects?
We started Kickstarter as a new way for creators and audiences to work together to make things. The traditional funding systems are risk-averse and profit-focused, and tons of great ideas never get a chance. We thought Kickstarter could open the door to a much wider variety of ideas and allow everyone to decide what they wanted to see exist in the world.
Kickstarter is full of ambitious, innovative, and imaginative ideas. Many of the projects you see on Kickstarter are in earlier stages of development and are looking for a community to bring them to life. The fact that Kickstarter allows creators to take risks and attempt to create something new is a feature, not a bug.
What is Kickstarter doing about fulfillment?
As Kickstarter has grown, we've made changes to improve accountability and fulfillment. In August 2011 we began requiring creators to list an "Estimated Delivery Date" for all rewards. This was done to make creators think hard about when they could deliver, and to underline that Kickstarter is not a traditional shopping experience.
In May 2012 we added additional guidelines and requirements for Product Design and Technology projects. These include requiring creators to provide information about their background and experience, a manufacturing plan (for hardware projects), and a functional prototype. We made this change to ensure that creators have done their research before launching and backers have sufficient information when deciding whether to back these projects.
We've also allocated more staff to trust and safety. We look into projects reported by our community for guidelines violations and suspicious activity, and we take action when necessary. These efforts are focused on fraud and acceptable uses of Kickstarter, not a creator's ability to complete a project and fulfill. On Kickstarter, backers ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it.
Kickstarter Basics: Getting involved Top ↑
How do I start a project?
Click the green "Start Your Project" button on the start page. That will take you through the process of building your project. All projects must meet Kickstarter's project guidelines and all creators must meet eligibility requirements.
Before jumping in, do some research. Read through Kickstarter School for tips on how to structure your project. Talk to your friends about your ideas to see what they think. Look at other projects on Kickstarter that are similar to yours. All of this work will pay off.
How can I find interesting projects to back?
There are a bunch of ways to find cool projects:
The Kickstarter Newsletter: Once a week we send a hand-picked email of three projects worth checking out.
Your friends: Connect your Facebook account to Kickstarter to follow your friends and check out the projects they're backing.
Staff Picks: The Staff Picks section collects standout projects selected by the Kickstarter team.
Popular: The Kickstarter algorithms displays the projects making the most waves. The main popular page is the best view: three of the most popular projects in all 13 categories.
The Internet: Kickstarter projects are often big news on social media and in the press. This is how many projects are discovered.
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Sure Kickstarter takes 5% of the money, but it's to ensure quality. I am not promoting Kickstarter lets get that straight. But besides that %5 fee they will take, I see a lot more of pluses in kickstarter.
1. Kickstarter is more legitimate than just a bounty thread.
2. Kickstarter can join multiple threads of other forums together.
3. We can try and reach out to Androidcentral, Android authority and Androidguys to post articles on their front page to help us raise even more money because the legitimacy behind it.
4. Points 1 through 3 can generate a greater bounty which would more than make up for the 5% fee.
I am not accusing anyone of not paying a bounty, but honestly I predict about half the people might just simply forget to pay the bounty they set out to.
So what do you guys say? First we would have to find a Moderator of this forum that is trustworthy (I believe all moderators are trustworthy here that I have met) to collect the money when the project is over. Then that moderator will send the money over to the dev that figures out the unlocking of the bootloader. You don't get charged until the date we set. And if the project turns out to be false, you get your money back like paypal. Second, we would have to write our rules out. If someone simply just found a leak on a way to unlock the bootloader on samsungmobile I don't think that's real dev work for example. But if they had to actually dev then they deserve the bounty.
So what do you guys say? Should we start a kickstarter?
Might as well go all out and create a small ad campaign.
1: 1 short 1:30 min video showing why we need it and android needs it blah blah...
2: Create logos and signatures. (I'm already playing around in fireworks & photoshop)
3: Have someone write up a body for the kickstarter page. Make it very sad and seem very important that even people who have no idea what a bootloader is will still pledge like a $1 or so to help the "cause".
4: As for choosing a mod to trust... Why not just ask XDA as a whole to support / do it? (Just think that if this does so great that it get's like... $50k and a mod runs off and we get mad and sue XDA) It's the safest way and XDA can't lose anything by doing it.
Then
1: Reach out to all the tech news sites (all of them not just mainly android). This would get huge exposure and hopefully a huge big pot of money to win for the developer / leaker.
2: Create a Google+ & FB support page.
3: ???
4: Profit! (for the winner)
Also the goal would be what exactly? I'm liking $5k.
UPDATE: Just created a Kickstarter page mockup:
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"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
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Would creating such a public campaign to virtually crack/hack the AT&T bootloader on the S4 create legal issues which would void the kickstarter approach vs a honor sort of system?
mino0703 said:
Would creating such a public campaign to virtually crack/hack the AT&T bootloader on the S4 create legal issues which would void the kickstarter approach vs a honor sort of system?
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"What is not allowed?
Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.
Kickstarter cannot be used to sell equity or solicit loans.
Projects cannot resell items or offer rewards not produced by the project or its creator.
Creators cannot promise to donate a portion of funds raised or future revenue to a cause.
Projects cannot offer rewards in bulk quantities (more than 10).
Kickstarter cannot be used to fund e-commerce, business, and social networking websites or apps.
Kickstarter cannot be used to fund software projects not run by the developers themselves.
Kickstarter cannot be used to buy real estate.
Projects cannot offer alcohol as a reward.
Projects cannot offer financial, medical, or health advice.
No offensive material (hate speech, etc.); pornographic material; or projects endorsing or opposing a political candidate.
No tobacco, drugs, and drug paraphernalia; energy food and drinks; or nutritional supplements.
No contests, raffles, coupons, or lifetime memberships.
No bath, beauty, and cosmetic products; electronic surveillance equipment; eyewear (sunglasses, prescription glasses, and others); firearms, weapons, knives, weapon accessories, and replicas of weapons; medical, health, safety, and personal care products; or infomercial-type products."
Well, at least it looks like it's allowed?
Bjray,
I love your kickstarter mockup! I was more curious if AT&T would take legal action against the campaign and not so much if kickstarter would disallow the project.
mino0703 said:
Bjray,
I love your kickstarter mockup! I was more curious if AT&T would take legal action against the campaign and not so much if kickstarter would disallow the project.
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Even though AT&T and Samsung would have a right to sue, I highly doubt they would do that. Why? Just think of the huge negative PR they / AT&T would get... (headline: AT&T suing their own customers!) LOL
Excellent idea. This would provide a good amount of transparency and accounting of everyone thats contributed. I think it would be very successful, though i think the first step is to find out fro the admins here if xda would want their name attached to it.
Bjray said:
Might as well go all out and create a small ad campaign.
1: 1 short 1:30 min video showing why we need it and android needs it blah blah...
2: Create logos and signatures. (I'm already playing around in fireworks & photoshop)
3: Have someone write up a body for the kickstarter page. Make it very sad and seem very important that even people who have no idea what a bootloader is will still pledge like a $1 or so to help the "cause".
4: As for choosing a mod to trust... Why not just ask XDA as a whole to support / do it? (Just think that if this does so great that it get's like... $50k and a mod runs off and we get mad and sue XDA) It's the safest way and XDA can't lose anything by doing it.
Then
1: Reach out to all the tech news sites (all of them not just mainly android). This would get huge exposure and hopefully a huge big pot of money to win for the developer / leaker.
2: Create a Google+ & FB support page.
3: ???
4: Profit! (for the winner)
Also the goal would be what exactly? I'm liking $5k.
UPDATE: Just created a Kickstarter page mockup:
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
SlimJ87D said:
I think you really REALLY went out of your way to be a douche. I'd understand if I was spamming some kind of spam, but to photoshop a fake ad to make fun of me? You must have a lot of time on your hands.
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Are you KIDDING me?!? How could you read my post as making fun of you?!? I'm trying to support you here 100%... As for having time on my hands, this is one of the things I do, make website mockups and such (my real Job).
Maybe you should read my post again, I'm giving you tips / ideas. Sheesh... give a guy a hand and he'll call you a douche.
Personally I dont like kickstarter because of the fee they charge...I would rather just conteibute to the bounty...its always worked in the past with out issues
And as for suing xda if someone is dishonest?? They are not liable...the only person liable is the guy collecting the money...and with out some sort of contract you cant sue them as technically you gave them the money so its theirs, there is no legal document stating he has to follow through...I know this paragraph kind of backs up the kickstarter idea
But get a mod or some other ranking guy on xda and the chances of him running off are slim...just dont let some averge joe user be in charge of the bounty
Now you guys can do whatever you want...but as for me, as soon as the bootloader is unlocked ill just personally donate to the devs involved my self through paypal and leave them a nice congratulatory message with it...because this is going to be more of a team effort...its not just gonna be one dev...multiple devs are going to be throwing around ideas and trying to help..so why not give a little something to each dev involved?
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Bjray said:
Are you KIDDING me?!? How could you read my post as making fun of you?!? I'm trying to support you here 100%... As for having time on my hands, this is one of the things I do, make website mockups and such (my real Job).
Maybe you should read my post again, I'm giving you tips / ideas. Sheesh... give a guy a hand and he'll call you a douche.
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I had edited my post before you responded, the xda site was down so it didn't go through in time. sorry.
Bjray said:
Are you KIDDING me?!? How could you read my post as making fun of you?!? I'm trying to support you here 100%... As for having time on my hands, this is one of the things I do, make website mockups and such (my real Job).
Maybe you should read my post again, I'm giving you tips / ideas. Sheesh... give a guy a hand and he'll call you a douche.
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To be fair, I wasn't sure whether your post was sarcastic or not at first, but after seeing the mock-up I assumed you were being serious. That said, probably wise for people to clarify before resorting name-calling - or don't name call at all.
Internet drama aside, this seems like a great idea - but exactly who would operate the Kickstarter to see this goes the way it's supposed to?
mg2195 said:
Personally I dont like kickstarter because of the fee they charge...I would rather just conteibute to the bounty...its always worked in the past with out issues
And as for suing xda if someone is dishonest?? They are not liable...the only person liable is the guy collecting the money...and with out some sort of contract you cant sue them as technically you gave them the money so its theirs, there is no legal document stating he has to follow through...I know this paragraph kind of backs up the kickstarter idea
But get a mod or some other ranking guy on xda and the chances of him running off are slim...just dont let some averge joe user be in charge of the bounty
Now you guys can do whatever you want...but as for me, as soon as the bootloader is unlocked ill just personally donate to the devs involved my self through paypal and leave them a nice congratulatory message with it...because this is going to be more of a team effort...its not just gonna be one dev...multiple devs are going to be throwing around ideas and trying to help..so why not give a little something to each dev involved?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk 2
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It's up to the mod or the head dev to divide the money and distribute it.
The bounty is nice, but it won't reach out to other forums I don't think. Not as well as a kickstarter. A kickstarter is nice because it collects a pot from multiple different communities and joins them together instead of segregating. Android Central, XDA, Androidguys, Android Authority, and various other sites could all discuss one bounty instead of collecting and hoping to get the money from dozens of separate pools.
The other nice thing about kickstarter is that it's like paypal. if something doesn't follow through we could get our money back easily, or at least easier.
I think the kickstarter is a great idea because it makes it more legitimate. It might interest other devs that don't even have a i337. We could reach out to editors to post on their front pages to help us get more revenue.
SlimJ87D said:
I had edited my post before you responded, the xda site was down so it didn't go through in time. sorry.
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TwistedMexi said:
To be fair, I wasn't sure whether your post was sarcastic or not at first, but after seeing the mock-up I assumed you were being serious. That said, probably wise for people to clarify before resorting name-calling - or don't name call at all.
Internet drama aside, this seems like a great idea - but exactly who would operate the Kickstarter to see this goes the way it's supposed to?
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After rereading my own post I could see how that could seem sarcastic or being negative haha... I guess I was just in my project manager / let's get this project started mood, always talking to coworkers like that haha.
Anyways it's all good.
SlimJ87D said:
The other nice thing about kickstarter is that it's like paypal. if something doesn't follow through we could get our money back easily, or at least easier.
I think the kickstarter is a great idea because it makes it more legitimate. It might interest other devs that don't even have a i337. We could reach out to editors to post on their front pages to help us get more revenue.
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This is exactly why we should at least push for Kickstarter first, and give the money to all the participating dev's.
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I know that some members of the Viewsonic Dev team check in here on a regular basis. I would like to solicit your assistance in securing the needed files for the serious Devs on this site to port Honeycomb and future OS to the Gtablet. It is obvious from the recent Woot day that Viewsonic is benefiting from the hard work of a few Devs on this site. Some members even spent the day answering questions on Woot to promote the device. You have already invested in this product and with a little support for the Dev team on XDA you can reap additional rewards for that investment.
Certainly sounds good to me.
Couple of thoughts:
OfficialViewsonic has requested info for developing a dev site. It is likely they will make drivers/patches other things available and in a central location.
Not sure they even have/can get the source. They are not part of the OHA. Also, they are just reselling/rebranding this tablet. I don't think they are actually that involved in the software side of the development. Matala tablet. Tap-n-Tap software.
If they could/did get the source, I doubt they could give access to non-employee's. Since google isn't releasing the source directly, my guess is that any access to it, is guarded by NDA's etc.
They may not be invested in the way of making the parts but they are invested where it counts. Money and reputation. One of the deciding factors for me was viewsonics involvement, I know they re-brand but they stick by their products. I trust their brand and they know that their name has kept them in business. That said, I know that they want this product to succeed and will go out of their way make sure it does.
I don't think they will "gives us ours honeycreams" any time soon (or ever, as mentioned they are not a part of the OHA ) but open communication with devs about next step tnt updates is a start. I trust they are doing everything they can while securing their company's interests.
it' s possible, with some modifications, install free apps that are not free?
Yes or Not?
Warez???
Let me see if I can't answer your question & help you out here.
If I have this straight, you are wondering if there is a way to take "Paid" apps & install & use them for free?
You want to reverse engineer a program that was written by a developer that maybe learned what he knows here or contributes by helping others here & then create a key generator or a crack type patch to avoid spending 0.49 to $5.00, half the price it would cost an iPhone user for the same app thanks to developer collaboration & the Open Source Framework & SDK, effectively stealing from the app creator & taking away from him or her their livelihood & the means by which they support their family.
Furthermore, you are asking for this information at a website that was founded by developers, made for developers & run by developers, many of whom make a living by writting paid versions of the software you are inquiring about pirating.
Am I summing it up pretty well so far?
So, If you are a baker & I came into your bakery & stole your cookies, but not just your cookies, your award winning cookie recipe as well, just because I didn't want to bake the cookies myself or take the time to learn how to bake a really good cookie or because I was too lazy or conceited enough to believe that I, like everyone else, should have to work to pay for the things that other people create as a part of their work, you would be okay with that, right? With me robbing you, not just once, but everyday, for the rest of your life, because I am gonna post your cookie recipe at a site for naughty baker's that like to steal, I am the Cookie Pirate after all, so what does me stealing your program, errrrr, Cookie & recipe really harm.? It's just a few dollars, right?
But wait, what about all the time you spent perfecting your recipe? Or all the baking equipment you bought to bake the cookies? The money you have paid for advertisement or other marketing? The employees you may have to pay, whom also rely on the sale of your cookies? Any licensing fees you may have had to pay for use of portions of your cookie recipe or it's name? The store front you rent to sell your cookies out of? So, does stealing the few cookies & a recipe (code that is reversed or cracked) really just cost you a few dollars?
Think about what you are asking & have some decency. You are asking developers on a developer site, how to steal from developers. And worse, you think it's alright? Just like a bakery, a developer has to buy software to develop with & licensing fees for distribution, websites cost money just like a store front, development is often done by individuals, companies or developer groups & they all are working to support themselves, their families & have further spent the time &/or money learning to do what they do. Time is not cheap, neither is a college degree in computer sciences.
Do you know why the software companies pay up to a Million Dollars in reward money to those that report software piracy? Because it costs economies tens of millions in losses.
I am gonna have a look at your previous posts & activities online & if I find a hint of other similar posts, I will have no choice but to ban you.
You should be ashamed of what you are asking.
... Personal Opinion ... (I do not represent XDA's position on this ...this is Just my Personal Opinion the this issue)
For Those who may not Remember... a good Friend of mine Callip Hall (s15274n in XDA) Started a #NeverAgainSamsung Campaign. The point was to get Samsung's attention and let them know unless they kept their promises to keep the Android updates more current and keep their bootloader unlocked..... we vowed never to buy any Samsung product again.
The Protest took off like wildfire........ after passing 1,000,000 tweets, Facebook and other media notification methods..... Samsung changed their policy Because of the Huge pressure put on them by Us the buyer. And......This all started 1st here on XDA....
Callip...... is at it again....... This Time with a #NeverAgainApple..... The Protest is centered around the stupid frivolous lawsuits Apple has been bringing against basically everyone in an attempt to slow the progress of open source platforms and innovation. Android specifically has been a huge target, since it is now taking over the world cell phone market now at 52% of all phones are Android and growing fast.
Are you too Not happy with using litigation to block innovation? Think Apple is doing a lot more than just protecting IP? Or, you just don't like Apple business tactics...well then... read on.
So.....How does this work? Simple.
We spread the word - a unified word - everyone must use the hashtag #NeverAgainApple - on G+, on Twitter, on blogs, Facebook.... EVERYWHERE. It starts with YOU spreading the word.
THEN it is up to blogs and sites to help carry the load and start reporting of the uprising. THIS is what will help Apple notice WE are tired of their legal battles all over the world.
Please do your part and spread #NeverAgainApple - trust me, I have seen it work before, and it was amazing. I was in awe of how quickly and powerfully the Internet grouped before - and this is a much bigger issue.
You can follow me on Twitter @oka_xda or Callip @calliph and watch our protest grow.
This is only my opinion (oka1) and I do not represent the opinion of this website or any other of its members (other than s15274n-Callip's-)...
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It seems to me there are a raising number of bounty threads appearing in different forums. A bounty thread is when one or many persons state a problem and offer a reward to the one finding a solution. The goal is of course to motivate other to work an the case
In the short run may this seems lika a good idea to get a solution for a problem. One or many persons want the problem solved and are willing to pay for it and the one succeeding gets awarded.
In the long run, on the other hand, I see it as the beginning of the end for the open source community and the fundamental ideas upon which irt rests.
The idea of Open source and the reason for it's success the last 40 years is that transperancy of the code and progress makes it possible for anyone to contribute. Ideas are communicated, technichal progress are shared and the community brings the "product" forward. Someone may contriibute with one piece, another person gets an idea and brings it forward a little forward a little more and so one. The progress are monitorred by the community which both contributes to its progress and to its testing and verification.
The bounty thread kills much of this. The persons motivated by the bounty don't want to share their progress because it is more important that it is THEY who solve the problem than that the problem actually is solved at all. The first acceptable solution gets rewarded as long as the quallity is "good enough" and the rest, the loosers, drop their work since the bounty is fulfilled. Further development in not encouraged and evolution comes to a stop.....until the next bounty....
Normally, in the good ol´days, people of honour within the community may have paid a little tribute to members who have provided valueable work of which the have gained. This "honour"-culture, which is more or less the same way shareware works, is something I think we as a community should honor and praise. It's way much better than the bounty system in every aspect.
Of course there are a lot of honourable persons who work on and solve bounty threads who is not there because of the bounty itself but rather to contribute. I think most of the contributers are genuine community members with good morale and values. I just think the bounty system sends the wrong signals and the phenomenon is a serious threat to the community idea in the long run
To be honest I don't agree with bounty threads anyway and I see where your coming from. I've never pledged in a bounty thread I remember a time when as you said developers got together to work on things.
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I agree complettly, a bounty thread is not the right way.
If you look at the invested time, the money hourly earnings are quite low. If you are a high skilled developer I think you wouldn't do it anyway. During time, some withdraw the money, for some it is not the right solution.
We should focus on sharing knowledge. Unfortunately right now, I can't contribute knowledge (there is not any, at least in regard to Android ) I think it is fair to support the developers. I don't care if there is a bounty, since I donate anyway (e.g. to get a phone for testing).
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I agree complettly, a bounty thread is not the right way.
If you look at the invested time, the money hourly earnings are quite low. If you are a high skilled developer I think you wouldn't do it anyway. During time, some withdraw the money, for some it is not the right solution.
We should focus on sharing knowledge. Unfortunately right now, I can't contribute knowledge (there is not any, at least in regard to Android ) I think it is fair to support the developers. I don't care if there is a bounty, since I donate anyway (e.g. to get a phone for testing).
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We are not all developers and have all different skills and interests, but most of us can contribute anyway in some way. We can test, verify, discuss, encurrage, contribute and inform. There are many ways which all matters. You surely contribute in your way and are without a doubt a true community member. You contribute with your writings, you express your gratitude to other contributers and you do not demand or press other members.
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Hello everyone, I really hate to have to come to XDA and express this type of situation, but I've basically hit rock bottom in the last couple of years. If there was ever anything called bad luck, well I must have been the one who invented it. Basically all the volunteer contributions I've provided to the mobile community, linux-kernel mainline, Slackware, Suse/OpenSuse, and all my independent projects have been solely on my own time and with my passion for working with Open Source. Some of you may remember me mostly for my infamous kernels I designed for the Iconia Tabs, others may know me from IRC, or just follow me on github. Lately I've desperately been seeking employment to use my education/skills/experience in the IT field specifically Linux System Administration and/or DevOps, but living in rural Kentucky seems to put a liability on most jobs I seek.
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I'm really sorry about your situation, but need to say that as per forum rules any kind of fundraising is forbidden.
You can put a PayPal donation link in your signature so anyone who liked your work can donate to you and that's the only allowed way on XDA.