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So, I recently cancelled AT&T but I wanted to make a couple of last remarks on a battery issue, so as to (hopefully) better inform the devs. Up front, I will say that the reception at my house is terrible (hence my cancellation). As such, I expect somewhat poor battery performance. I have run nearly every version of Cognition, tried the AOSP project, and most recently run Perception. After using these, I was left with the impression that the battery performance in all of these has been disappointing.
Having received my new phone and with my old service not yet deactivated completely, I decided to try a more formal test. I used the following test protocols in order to ensure a fair and accurate comparison was conducted:
1) The phone was positioned for the worst possible reception in my house. It was only moved to change ROMs and was returned to the approximate location it was previously in.
2) Each ROM was flashed at 100% battery, with SIM and SD Cards removed.
3) A battery recalibration was performed after each flash, as detailed in the Cognition thread (Charge to full, turn off, charge to full, turn on, use for 2 minutes, charge to full, delete battery stats). Following this I did one more complete discharge and recharge to ensure the statistics would reconfigure with the calibrated battery.
4) GPS and Bluetooth were turned off; WiFi remained on and connected through all test runs.
I loaded Cognition version 2.3b6 and then Perception build 3, both of which performed approximately the same. Leaving my phone on standby and with only very light use (0 answered calls and no internet surfing or messaging), I could get no more than 15 hours of battery power before it died. Following this, I restored my phone to the stock JH7 update and, as of now, my phone is at 54% after 2d 19h 25m of use.
I know many people have been flamed for daring to suggest that the ROM has something to do with the battery draining abnormally, but I did this test as objectively as I could so that the community of developers can use the information to improve on this issue. In my opinion, this test suggests that something in the custom ROMs is causing an excessive battery drain. While this may not be happening on everyone's phones, it is most definitely happening on two of my Captivates. Hope this helps and good luck! I am off to Droid X Land! Suppose I'll use my working GPS to get there! (Sorry, couldn't resist... too soon?)
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Poor signal is the biggest battery drain. Especially in 3g areas. I have had phones on VZW and ATT (different times and locations) where my battery would not last 8 hours.
Another test to show it is not the ROM or OS is to put the phone in airplane mode and observe almost 0% battery drain overnight.
But since these custom ROMs are built off beta releases, I am not surprised by your results.
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I noticed the same thing a while ago and am just hoping there is some issues with the fact that these roms are being developed on leaked builds without the source code.
The key thing to notice in the attached screen shot is the near constant 1-3% cpu activity when the phone is not being used. On JH7 I could leave my phone on over night and only lose ~3% battery. Currently on Perception build 4 I lose ~20-25% overnight. On Cognition 2.3b3 I lost about the same.
I get about 16 hours on my captivate with light to moderate use on the froyo leak.
on Perception and Cog (latest builds) I was getting about 9-10 hours with very light use.
I need another battery
skippyg said:
I get about 16 hours on my captivate with light to moderate use on the froyo leak.
on Perception and Cog (latest builds) I was getting about 9-10 hours with very light use.
I need another battery
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I doubt the battery is your problem. As my test suggests, I am pretty confident that if you were to restore to stock, you would find your battery risen from the dead.
I can vouch for the OP about battery life. Battery life on JH7 is WAAAAYY better than any custom 2.2 ROM. I am running stock JH7 with Atimns v1.10 Voodoo kernel. Beats the pants off of the Cognition 2.3b6 ROM I was using battery-wise. In my experience, all of the Froyo based ROMs have battery issues. :-(
I just searched up a little bit more and found that the sensor is using a lot of juice because of a bug in the picture gallery app included in all froyo roms/leaks. I checked my sensor use and sure enough it was at 6 hours non stop. uninstalled using root explorer installed the Gallery3D.apk found on this site and now the use is at 2 seconds. I hope this was the cause. Also, is the android system supposed to be using so much of the sensor? My phone has been on for 11 minutes (reboot) and the battery history in *#*#4696#*#* says its been on for exactly the same amount of time...
sorry for the thread jack!
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I just searched up a little bit more and found that the sensor is using a lot of juice because of a bug in the picture gallery app included in all froyo roms/leaks. I checked my sensor use and sure enough it was at 6 hours non stop. uninstalled using root explorer installed the Gallery3D.apk found on this site and now the use is at 2 seconds. I hope this was the cause. Also, is the android system supposed to be using so much of the sensor? My phone has been on for 11 minutes (reboot) and the battery history in *#*#4696#*#* says its been on for exactly the same amount of time...
sorry for the thread jack!
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The issue with the gallery using the sensor has been known for some time. If you our the rom dev did not change out the apk, you should.
Well I changed it and my battery has been going great! Heavy use with 5% decrease per hour since I replaced it.
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To be fair...the custom ROMs I have tried each had WiFi set to always on. The stock ROMS from had is set to only be on when the screen was on. Depending on the availability of a WiFi AP, this can make a huge difference. Looking for a WiFi AP to connect to is costly.
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To be fair...the custom ROMs I have tried each had WiFi set to always on. The stock ROMS from had is set to only be on when the screen was on. Depending on the availability of a WiFi AP, this can make a huge difference. Looking for a WiFi AP to connect to is costly.
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In my case, this was not the difference for me. I always had my WiFi always on, even with the screen off. I turned it off manually if I know I am going to be some where WiFi is not available. The battery drain is definitely somewhere else....but these are leaked Froyo ROMs for a reason.
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In my case, this was not the difference for me. I always had my WiFi always on, even with the screen off. I turned it off manually if I know I am going to be some where WiFi is not available. The battery drain is definitely somewhere else....but these are leaked Froyo ROMs for a reason.
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do you know how to switch a rom from always on to only being on when the screen is on? i'm running a custom rom and i'm not seeing this setting anywhere aside from completely toggling wifi
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do you know how to switch a rom from always on to only being on when the screen is on? i'm running a custom rom and i'm not seeing this setting anywhere aside from completely toggling wifi
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Wifi settings> menu > advanced
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Wifi settings> menu > advanced
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whoa, cant believe i never saw that menu before. so setting it to 'when screen is off' will give better battery life?
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whoa, cant believe i never saw that menu before. so setting it to 'when screen is off' will give better battery life?
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It depends. If there is a lot of data transfers going on and WiFi is off with the screen, these transfers will take place over 3G, which in more cases is not as power efficient as WiFi, all else being equal.
I'd say, WiFi always on is better, in my experience anyway. Mileage may vary.
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It depends. If there is a lot of data transfers going on and WiFi is off with the screen, these transfers will take place over 3G, which in more cases is not as power efficient as WiFi, all else being equal.
I'd say, WiFi always on is better, in my experience anyway. Mileage may vary.
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For me personally I get terrible battery life when wifi is on. Everyone on here seems to say that leaving wifi on saves battery but this has never been the case with any device I've ever owned . And I'm talking about when I'm sitting home in an area with good wifi reception too.
I can't figure my battery out at all. On the weekends if I stay home and keep wifi on my battery will be on for 20 hours and still have 65% left. Once I leave home and I'm using 3G I can only get about 5 hours. I've lost 20% or more per hour without even touching my phone.
Another weird thing is under battery usage and "cell standby", it always shows time without signal at 50%. Never more and never less, always 50% exactly. Any ideas?
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Another weird thing is under battery usage and "cell standby", it always shows time without signal at 50%. Never more and never less, always 50% exactly. Any ideas?
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Wish I had the answer for this too. Mine says the same exact thing. Always 50% yet I always have signal where I am. I'm hoping it's some sort of miscalculation and not a major bug where network connections are being dropped constantly and not being shown.
I get three+ days with my phone...
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Man, I thought I was in my own boat. Same exact symptoms across Cognition, Perception, Axura, you name it. Something weird though is that the first day is always great on battery, then after a night's charge it goes back to the 12 hr max per day (moderate usage). On stock it definitely lasts a lot longer. can't wait for an official froyo release... especially now that I have to use Good Messaging, another huge battery hog.
I've searched about a million times in 900 different threads, but I still can't find a fix to this issue.
I first noticed this when I flashed MIUI onto my phone. I would get cell standby and cell idle at about 40-50% of battery usage each. Display wouldn't even be shown on the usage! I then figured MIUI wasn't worth it to me, so I flashed CM7. I tried both morfic's and faux's many kernels, nothing seemed to fix the issue. If I would turn the airplane mode on, I'd get battery drain of only like 2%/hour.
So I figured there was something wrong with the CM7 port, so I tried g2xtreme and other GB ROMs, same thing. Finally, I just checked a froyo ROM, same thing again!
So at this point I'm clueless and thinking the phone is completely a POS, but anyways. I'm about to nandroid restore stock 2.2 firmware, and try updating through the LG Mobile Support Tool.
But I have my doubts that this will fix it. I'm curious though if maybe I'm getting this drain because I'm with WIND Mobile in Canada? And this is for the T-Mobile G2X (they're the same phone and both companies use the same radio frequencies). But maybe there's something written in these ROMs to tell the phone to look for the T-Mobile network? Which I obviously won't be able to find in Canada.
Can someone help me locate these settings, if they exist? Or can someone with a Wind phone maybe toss me the WIND stock firmware? Or let me know what ROM they're using without said issue?
Thanks guys!
Edit:: In low signal areas the phone drains like 15-20% per hour, in high signal areas the phone is still pulling like 8%-10% an hour and I'm not even using it! And the weird thing is it only shows 1% time without signal! Something is seriously wrong with this firmware.
Search for betterbatterystats on XDA, install it, enable battery monitoring in MIUI (if that's your daily rom), leave your phone alone for a few hours, then open BBS and look at the partial wakelocks under "since unplugged." There you'll see what's killing your battery.
Everyone experiences worse battery life when reception is bad, but you are still getting terrible drainage in good areas, which means there's something other than reception killing your battery.
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Search for betterbatterystats on XDA, install it, enable battery monitoring in MIUI (if that's your daily rom), leave your phone alone for a few hours, then open BBS and look at the partial wakelocks under "since unplugged." There you'll see what's killing your battery.
Everyone experiences worse battery life when reception is bad, but you are still getting terrible drainage in good areas, which means there's something other than reception killing your battery.
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I tried that before, and had a crapload of apps "frozen" with titanium backup.
I'm going to try this again, and I'll post a screenshot this time because I don't think I actually understood what betterbattery stats was trying to tell me last time.
If anyone can help me decode it later that would be great!
Just noticed that there's barely anything under partial wakelock that's noticeable.. RIJL Telephony is the highest with 1m 1s 15%.
But it's not increasing very much, only when I get a text message. However, I've dropped about 7% since my last message, and cell standby is increasing climbing up my battery usage from 33% to 42%. It went from 620uah to 657uah.
Edit:: I reset battery stats cause I was unsure if it was corrupted stats. I started at 17% 40 minutes later I'm at 12%. Phone was off 90% of the time. I made a 2.5 minute call and it used 41uah, while cell standby still dominated with 65uah.
However, I turned my phone on for 5 minutes, making total usage 45 minutes, but had the brightness set to max, and in that five minutes it only used 1uah.
Am I missing something here? At this point I don't know if my numbers are normal or not anymore... I'm going to try draining the battery, charging to full, wiping battery stats, and calibrating and see what happens but 65uah to 1uah is a huge difference, I would've thought display would use a bit more than that.
I noticed this morning that having the phone with airplane mode OFF, that my battery dropped 10% in 57 minutes, and after turning the airplane mode ON, the battery dropped 1% in the next hour and 30 minutes. I checked battery stats and nothing was waking up my phone. Anyone have any other suggestions?
I'm going to flash miui and leave it without any apps installed then try this experiment again.
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I find these threads interesting because I am always looking for better battery life.
I am running EB 2.3.3
I uninstalled Set CPU and uninstalled Juice Defender. From my experience both hurt my battery life.
I never bothered to measure in airplane mode, because i use my phone to much.
My battery life improved dramatically during stand-by. 1% to 2% drop per hour with wifi on and a slightly bigger drop with wifi off.
I completely wiped the phone before installing EB and the used Titanium Backup to reinstall my apps without the data. I believe some of my previous battery life issues came from restoring data from certain apps.
I have the same phone/carrier. Do you leave 3G turned on? I feel it rapes my battery throughout the day. When I turned it off, it lasts pretty long.
Another problem I have though, is the drain when it is OFF. I went to bed with it at 90% juice and turned it off. I woke up 8 hours later, and it was at 65% when I turned it on. wtf. This only happens sometimes thou.. Other times it doesn't drop too much.
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I have the same phone/carrier. Do you leave 3G turned on? I feel it rapes my battery throughout the day. When I turned it off, it lasts pretty long.
Another problem I have though, is the drain when it is OFF. I went to bed with it at 90% juice and turned it off. I woke up 8 hours later, and it was at 65% when I turned it on. wtf. This only happens sometimes thou.. Other times it doesn't drop too much.
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I experience the exact same issue. But for some reason my battery life is more or less the same with 3g off. So I feel like my phone is constantly searching for a different signal or something? I mean if airplane mode affects my battery life that drastically reducing consumption by like 9%/hour then there must be something up
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Everyone who's been telling my phone is not sleeping is correct.
Only program is is that my phone's battery stats doesn't say which app is waking the phone? It lists Telephony as #1 with 1m 1s of awake time, and everything else is minuscule. There's gotta be something the phone isn't telling me :S Could it possibly be a hardware issue?
Or is there a better way I can narrow down this issue? I'm in the process of removing all apps.
Just curious, did you 'train' your battery?
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Just curious, did you 'train' your battery?
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Nope, but it's Li-Ion and my impression was these do not need to be trained.
I just emptied it to complete 0 yesterday, and charged it to complete 100% then calibrated it. Today though it was still horrible battery life until I completely wiped and flashed MIUI 1.9.23 then Trinity kernel brand new. I'm installing apps 1 by 1 to see which one caused me so much darn grief :S
All batteries are Li-ion nowadays, but I still feel after 'training' my battery for a week, they last substantially longer than new ones, fresh out the plastic.
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All batteries are Li-ion nowadays, but I still feel after 'training' my battery for a week, they last substantially longer than new ones, fresh out the plastic.
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I did end up conditioning it, not sure if it helped or if it was cause I flashed a new rom, but everything is finally working in order now
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Battery drain fixed?
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Battery drain fixed?
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Yes, battery drain is fixed. Also, I was on a completely different baseband for some reason, I was on the o2x baseband, fixed that JUST now, I think that was a part of the reason I was draining my battery like instantly. It was probably looking for a GSM signal!
Thank you for all your help
A simple *#*#4636#*#* can change that.
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A simple *#*#4636#*#* can change that.
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Yeah I set it to WCDMA Only. Battery life has been awesome lately.
I get horrible battery life with nearly every ROM Ive used on my Sensation, sometimes drains 10 percent an hour with the screen OFF. I have all data off, no wifi on, no apps running, juicedefender ultimate, and underclock when screen is off, and I read about people who can get a full day while using the total potential of the device. I had the same problem on my old device, so I returned it to T-Mobile and still have problems on the device I got in return. I dont expect to get two days on battery, I just find it crazy that I can barely use my device without the battery draining rapidly. I've considered undervolting but every rom ive downloaded didnt support it, so I was curious if you guys know of any efficient ROMs that save a ton of power and can be undervolted. I'm not very experienced with this kind of stuff and every ROM ive used has been poor on battery life, so help would be appreciated.
I am using InsertCoin ROM and it is running fine.
I used to have a 3% battery drop per every hour the phone was sleeping on stock rom and ARHD ics. Then I tried Virtuous Inquisition and it fixed the issue. Be sure to install the rom with its appropriate radio.
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ICS isn't fully stable yet, but seriously.. give that a try. My battery has doubled its lifespan. I have NO idea what htc/google did, but I get about 12 hours moderate usage and still around 50%. Getting 12 hours back then was what I was hoping I could hit! Now it lasts beyond my expectations
I've also read that you tried undervolting and everything. I just stayed stock and it's great, no effort! no custom kernel, OC/UC , it's amazing. If you read through the threads, I'm not the only one experiencing awesome battery
If you must know, I'm using InsertCoin but I think ARHD and all the other ICS roms will pretty much solve your problem
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I get horrible battery life with nearly every ROM Ive used on my Sensation, sometimes drains 10 percent an hour with the screen OFF. I have all data off, no wifi on, no apps running, juicedefender ultimate, and underclock when screen is off, and I read about people who can get a full day while using the total potential of the device. I had the same problem on my old device, so I returned it to T-Mobile and still have problems on the device I got in return. I dont expect to get two days on battery, I just find it crazy that I can barely use my device without the battery draining rapidly. I've considered undervolting but every rom ive downloaded didnt support it, so I was curious if you guys know of any efficient ROMs that save a ton of power and can be undervolted. I'm not very experienced with this kind of stuff and every ROM ive used has been poor on battery life, so help would be appreciated.
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im still using stock rom. it using 1% nearly 3-4 hours when its in sleeping
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Ok thanks guys ill try various ICS roms over the next week and see if there's a difference.
Background: I have had phone 11 months. I am very familiar with how the battery drain is while it is stock (WiFi ON all the time). battery lasted ~16h which is plenty for me.
Rooted phone, Battery Life on AR14 and IceColdSandwich (and others) was around 20h with WiFi on all the time and light use.
Recent Kernels (anything IceColdSandwich 3.0.0+ or AR 23+ (haven't tested between 14 and 23) cause a base of around 50mA of drain even when phone is locked. Battery life is ~8-10hours WITH NO USE. I have tried these ROMs without installing ANYTHING on them with the same results.
Current Widget does not identify an offending program from what I can tell.
WiFi off, the phone lasted 2d9hr of pretty light use.
I first started looking into WiFi when I forgot to turn off airdroid and unplugged the phone for 3 hours. I found AirDroid still running but could not connect to it via laptop or desktop until I tinkered with the phone a bit more and the WiFi connection cycled.
However during this time, the charge lost on the battery was a reasonable rate, and after the WiFi connection cycled it dropped like the usual rock.
What I've tried:
WiFix
WiFi polling interval increase
Cleaning/checking battery cover contacts
Changing battery covers
Battery Calibration (which is a myth from other reading I've done)
A couple of different programs like Juice Defender.
On the list to do:
Try a different Kernel
Root my friend's phone and trade him hardware (he says he never uses WiFi, so it won't be an issue for him)
/wrists
Thanks for all the suggestions and help so far. I understand that the problem is pretty obscure and seems rare.
on icecoldsandwich ive seen quite a few people show an improved battery draining using lordmods newer bfs kernel. maybe give that a try and report back?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1450962
kernel: http://goo.gl/ZqBZl
btw, very good informative question. its heart warming usually we get 'my battery sucks yo, fix it!' haha
Here is some irony.
Exitz ICS AR25 has been on the phone for a couple of days and has lost essentially 10% per hour when not on the charger (been off work in my house) After the 4th day, I installed AirDroid and AngelCamera. I took it off the charger last night...
92% 6 hours later AND the phone has been awake(?) all night...
Seems I left AirDroid 'running' but couldn't connect to the phone through AirDroid until after the WiFi cycled...
I will see how the drain is today. I'll out of the house all day tomorrow (half a day in Denver), toggle off the wifi for a day at home, and then try your suggestion Darunion.
Here are a few screen shots (first two are old), and honestly, I don't know how much I trust the battery stats.
IceColdSandwich 2.0.0 pretty much shows that battery life I have been used to for a long time including before rooting. Not AMAZING, but not fail. (WTF Proximity Recaibrator 29% of Drain on a 16 hour day?) Also note this is about the same rate of drain I experienced with Existz AR14 last week. Light use and ~16-19 hours of battery life. Not amazing, but I can live with it.
IceColdSandwich 3.0.0 pretty much shows the battery life I have been getting with any ICS roms since.. well 3.0.0 was released. Oh and the voice call that is 37% of drain lasted less than 10 minutes.
Existz AR25 (someofthedrain.png) the steep drop was a 20 minute phone call...
And Finally Airdroidwtf.png is the same install three nights later (this morning) If I could get battery drain like THIS on a regular basis...
Anyway, I'll keep trying to isolate this down to the specific 'area' of the phone that is causing it....
Edit: and as for Darunion commenting about the information I've included... I'm a patient person, I don't want to be a drain on the community, and I have no issue trying to solve a ROM, APP, Radio, RIL, Or watever issue. I'm only posting because the issue isn't unique to a ROM but is unique to a time frame AND the issue is not solveable via Google or XDA search
Right now it is looking like the 'extra' drain on newer ROMs is directly related to the wireless being on*.
Right now the phone is at 1day 19 hours with 14% left and the wireless was only on for the first couple of hours this charge cycle.
I never thought there would be such a considerable difference between battery usage on any ROMs.
I'm going to continue looking around and trying to solve things, and I haven't quite made it to trying the Kernel, Darunion. It is on the list after I toggle WIFI on and off throughout a day.
*The rest of this post is just back-story I have ran the phone on stock for 11 months before rooting it and during that time, I got used to leaving the WIFI running all the time simply because the battery always lasted through my longer days and my-typical light-use. I'm near WIFI that my phone connects to about 80% of the time.
So after rooting, I had a little increase in battery life and I never changed this habbit, or more to the point, I was leaving WIFI on as to make it one less variable in drain while testing various ROMs and different build dates.
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Right now it is looking like the 'extra' drain on newer ROMs is directly related to the wireless being on*.
Right now the phone is at 1day 19 hours with 14% left and the wireless was only on for the first couple of hours this charge cycle.
I never thought there would be such a considerable difference between battery usage on any ROMs.
I'm going to continue looking around and trying to solve things, and I haven't quite made it to trying the Kernel, Darunion. It is on the list after I toggle WIFI on and off throughout a day.
*The rest of this post is just back-story I have ran the phone on stock for 11 months before rooting it and during that time, I got used to leaving the WIFI running all the time simply because the battery always lasted through my longer days and my-typical light-use. I'm near WIFI that my phone connects to about 80% of the time.
So after rooting, I had a little increase in battery life and I never changed this habbit, or more to the point, I was leaving WIFI on as to make it one less variable in drain while testing various ROMs and different build dates.
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I was on battery for around 13 hours yesterday with wifi on for at least 8 hours of that and plugged my phone in with 51% battery remaining.
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I was on battery for around 13 hours yesterday with wifi on for at least 8 hours of that and plugged my phone in with 51% battery remaining.
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Yeah, I know this isn't a typical issue for most everyone, and am not implying so.
Likely it will end up being something very specific to the two WIFI networks I am at for 80% of the time OR something else that is very specific to my circumstances.
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Yeah, I know this isn't a typical issue for most everyone, and am not implying so.
Likely it will end up being something very specific to the two WIFI networks I am at for 80% of the time OR something else that is very specific to my circumstances.
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Have you, by chance, removed and reinstalled your back covers? I know it's unlikely, but since they contain the antennae, maybe they've come a little loos, resulting in higher imepedence connections.
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Have you, by chance, removed and reinstalled your back covers? I know it's unlikely, but since they contain the antennae, maybe they've come a little loos, resulting in higher imepedence connections.
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I have not specifically toyed with the covers as part of trouble shooting. I will be sure that I look at them after my battery finishes charging on WIFI.
It does seem to be more a software difference, (I've casually be at this for the better part of 2 months) as I have seen expected performance when flashing back to a ROM I've used.
Thanks, I like being able to limit variables and this will be one I check before charging the phone again.
(What I'd really love to do is convince my brother or one of two friends who have the Inspire 4g to let me root their phones so I can trade them phones for a week and really isolate out hardware issues
fyi if you are still running icecoldsandwich. 6.2 just was released. Maybe give that a try?
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fyi if you are still running icecoldsandwich. 6.2 just was released. Maybe give that a try?
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Right now, I'd like to figure out WHY my WiFi is so bad on battery drain with later AOKP releases.
I'll try to rule out hardware issues (I'll look into antenna and MAYBE convince a friend to let me root their phone and trade them for a week... if not then covers at least.)
But likely this is something about newer releases and how my WIFI is setup. I don't live in a high-density area, so it's not because of too much wifi trafficz (I can barely see a 2nd wifi with any device and it's on the opposite end of the frequency choices.... by my settings)
Anyway, I am a very patient person, so I'll continue working on this slowly so that I can be thorough and find the real cause of the problem.
What I would wish is for someone to point me in the direction as to how WiFi MIGHT drain the battery so hard for later releases but not earlier. I'll be reading up more on logcat and how to read it in regards to wifi... but searching and reading is hard because 'wireless' and what not are very vague terms
Now at 1% (still) and 2d9h... is MORE than double my record on the first roms I tried after rooting OR my stock rom. and MORE than quadruple my record on any of the newer roms
I've swapped battery covers with a friend this past weekend, and the WiFi being on still drains the phone considerably (~8%/hr) when turned on. So if it's a hardware issue, it's not in the battery cover.
Wifi and blue tooth are very hard on the battery regardless. But 8% an hour seems pretty steep tho.
I would start by getting the current widget in Google market and put in on your home screen to monitor your Mili-volt ussage. If its running high like the 200+ constantly you have a lot of drain going on. When in sleep mode it should drop down to 0mv up to 8mv. If it stays high in the sleep mode you have apps waking your phone from sleeping. Which causes tremendous drain.
Next I'd try removing apps that have wifi permissions. To see if that drops your mv ussage.
Drop your notifications to less frequent times on your email and Facebook.
Remove any task managers or juice defender. They run constantly.
Google + is a massive battery drainer. Remove or limit notifications and sync as much as possible.
Also running wifi fix apk could also help. If you are knowledgeable enough you could also edit the build.prop to set the wife scan at a less frequent rate as well.
Last but not least get a toggle button widget for wifi and turn it off when not using.
I'd you follow these steps this will drasticly decrease your battery drain.
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Wifi and blue tooth are very hard on the battery regardless. But 8% an hour seems pretty steep tho.
I would start by getting the current widget in Google market and put in on your home screen to monitor your Mili-volt ussage. If its running high like the 200+ constantly you have a lot of drain going on. When in sleep mode it should drop down to 0mv up to 8mv. If it stays high in the sleep mode you have apps waking your phone from sleeping. Which causes tremendous drain.
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Thanks for taking the time for this response!
I started by running current widget for about a week and with a 3 different roms AR23(?), IceColdSandwich 2.0.0, IceColdSandwich 3.0.0.
I was stock for 11 months, and ICS2.0.0 was a little better than battery drain than stock. AR23 and ICS3.0.0 were terrible and pretty much ran a constant 50ma drain asleep or awake as a baseline.
I'd really like to figure out what the difference is with the older AOKP and the newer AOKP, but that may never happen.
Next I'd try removing apps that have wifi permissions. To see if that drops your mv ussage.
Drop your notifications to less frequent times on your email and Facebook.
Remove any task managers or juice defender. They run constantly.
Google + is a massive battery drainer. Remove or limit notifications and sync as much as possible.
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I've been testing with stock roms since a couple weeks before I posted this thread. This is because current widget didn't really show any specific program causing the issue, so I wanted to make sure that I didn't have some issue from my installed programs.
The most I've installed (out of necessity is AirDroid and AngelCamera) in the past few weeks. Both were installed when I ran without wifi on one charge for 2d9hrs.
(I don't have a google+ account, I don't have juice defender or any task managers aside from the stock rom)
Also running wifi fix apk could also help. If you are knowledgeable enough you could also edit the build.prop to set the wife scan at a less frequent rate as well.
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I'll do this and see if that helps things. Thank you
Last but not least get a toggle button widget for wifi and turn it off when not using.
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This is likely going to have to be my solution. Just run cell data all the time unless I am doing something specific like downloading files or uploading pictures.
OR
Maybe I can convince my friend to let me trade him phones (root his and nand backup and then restore all his stuff to my phone) and see if it is about the same drain. His phone was bought a couple months after mine AND from a different vendor, so it isn't going to be out of the same manufacturer's lot.
I'd you follow these steps this will drasticly decrease your battery drain.
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Thanks again. I'll definitely try the wifix along with the rest of your suggestions that apply
I'm in the same boat you are. I'm running ics aospX ar-26 and I can barely get mine to last from 8 til 4. Wifi is pretty prevelent around here and I leave it on most of time. I guess I could try turning it off til I need it. Anyway I'll be following this thread.
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You also might consider reading the threads on calibrating battery after flashing roms. I made the mistake of flashing a rom @ 40% battery. It jacked my stats all up. The new rom thought 40% battery was actually 100%. It had my stats all screwed up too. Except mine was Bluetooth. Showed running at 60% of battery ussage. So don't trust that system tool. Because the display is almost alway gonna be the biggest drain on the battery. An app called "spare parts" is a little more accurate.
I ran the gambit on this one finnally got my battery back to normal for me anyway. I've never seen a full days use with out charging. Get about 14 hours Max now. But the calibration steps is the way to go.
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dj sampson said:
You also might consider reading the threads on calibrating battery after flashing roms. I made the mistake of flashing a rom @ 40% battery. It jacked my stats all up. The new rom thought 40% battery was actually 100%. It had my stats all screwed up too. Except mine was Bluetooth. Showed running at 60% of battery ussage. So don't trust that system tool. Because the display is almost alway gonna be the biggest drain on the battery. An app called "spare parts" is a little more accurate.
I ran the gambit on this one finnally got my battery back to normal for me anyway. I've never seen a full days use with out charging. Get about 14 hours Max now. But the calibration steps is the way to go.
Sent from Soundwave aboard Nemesis.
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I actually have read quite a bit about battery calibration... and before I flashed a new ROM, I've made sure that current widget has been tracking 0ma for a while. (Only reliable way to be sure you have a full battery from what I can tell)
The batterystats.bin file and calibration has been ... contended in a number of places, mostly stating that when taken off the charger 'full' the battery stats file is overwritten... which makes calibration a non-issue (assuming that you occasionally charge your phone for a while after it hits 100% from time to time)
The problem is that the WiFi mA draw is HUGE compared to what it should be (in theory from reading other people's logs), and it's not because of the battery cover. AND It's not as bad in older AOKP ROMs than it is in newer ones. SO it could be a hardware issue exacerbated by a change in how WiFi is handled, but the hardware issue was never noticed because the battery life Stock was sufficient for my needs.
I've been busy working so I haven't been able to continue troubleshooting the phone (damn my patience), but Mondayish, I'll likely have traded my phone with a friend and root it and flash a new rom and see how the drain is with completely different hardware from a different vendor from a different lot of phones.
I had a similar issue with wifi. I changed the build.props wifi supliment scan from every 15 seconds to 180 and used the wifi fix manager apk. That seemed to help. Coupled with a proper battery calibration and I'm back to my display being the major battery draw.
So don't know if that helps but it seemed to work out my bugs.
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This I can do right now.. and given I'm on the same, unmodified AR24 release, I can observe it for the weekend before I annoy my friend about his phone.
Seems the WiFi scan interval was already set to 100... moved it to 180 anyway.
I used to have this issue. I could literally see my battery draining while I was using it. I keep wifi on most of the time. I recently purchased an anker battery online. It is AMAZING! My old battery wouldn't last more than 6 hours or so. Right now I'm at about 14 hours on this charge, and I'm at 47 percent. Try swapping his battery for yours for a day or two. Another thing to try is different radios if you're losing power to cell standby.
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DynamiteRave said:
I used to have this issue. I could literally see my battery draining while I was using it. I keep wifi on most of the time. I recently purchased an anker battery online. It is AMAZING! My old battery wouldn't last more than 6 hours or so. Right now I'm at about 14 hours on this charge, and I'm at 47 percent. Try swapping his battery for yours for a day or two. Another thing to try is different radios if you're losing power to cell standby.
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The phone ran for 2days 9hours with WiFi off and lasts for 8-10 hours with WiFi on. I am pretty sure that it's not a Radio/RIL or a Battery capacity issue. ;(
Hi guys,
I am hoping someone may notice what's going on with my device... I am at a loss. Attaching all screenshots and dump file from BetterBatteryStats (may need to open in Wordpad for the spacing work).
To summarize, my battery drain is very inconsistent. Some days it lasts a long time, 2-3 hrs of screen time, can stay in standby for over 2 days. And then some days it drains very quickly, like right now - it drops by 3% every time I basically turn on the screen to check e-mail/messages. I think we can all agree that 4 hrs of standby and 15 mins of screen usage should not use 50% of the battery.
I have tried two different units (swapped thinking my battery was faulty), and the issue persists - so I think it has to be something related to my software setup. I am running the AT&T LTE stock phone, 1.85 firmware. I have tried doing the full factory reset (clearing all settings/apps/storage), and cycling the battery.
Some folks have mentioned that my drain seems to begin when I hit an area with low/no signal (I take the subway to work in the morning), and then persists - as if something is trying to sync/connect somewhere, but can't... so it keeps looping and draining the battery.
My autosync is only on for Gmail, Google calendar (not contacts), and Weather (every 2 hrs only). Phone is not overly hot, battery is at 86 degrees right now. My brightness is at 40%.
If someone has any ideas, please share - I am at a loss, I don't know what to do... but battery life has got to be better than this, at least in terms of consistency.
Thanks so much.
Little to no signal is a battery killer.
Right, but the phone drains like crazy after the signal is regained. It doesn't drain much while there is no signal. Besides, what are people supposed to do when they lose signal? Restart the phone afterwards or lose all battery?
Also, some days it works just fine (and I still take subway to work on those days and lose signal) - so not consistent. I don't think it's simply the fact that no signal kills my battery in this case.
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Little to no signal is a battery killer.
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But OP is getting huge drops in the battery level when network signal is green (full signal strength); and also screen mostly off. Which is very odd . . .
Sounds like there are other folks experiencing this issue, related to signal drop in LTE (riding a subway, etc.):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1719227
neocryte said:
Hi guys,
I am hoping someone may notice what's going on with my device... I am at a loss. Attaching all screenshots and dump file from BetterBatteryStats (may need to open in Wordpad for the spacing work).
To summarize, my battery drain is very inconsistent. Some days it lasts a long time, 2-3 hrs of screen time, can stay in standby for over 2 days. And then some days it drains very quickly, like right now - it drops by 3% every time I basically turn on the screen to check e-mail/messages. I think we can all agree that 4 hrs of standby and 15 mins of screen usage should not use 50% of the battery.
I have tried two different units (swapped thinking my battery was faulty), and the issue persists - so I think it has to be something related to my software setup. I am running the AT&T LTE stock phone, 1.85 firmware. I have tried doing the full factory reset (clearing all settings/apps/storage), and cycling the battery.
Some folks have mentioned that my drain seems to begin when I hit an area with low/no signal (I take the subway to work in the morning), and then persists - as if something is trying to sync/connect somewhere, but can't... so it keeps looping and draining the battery.
My autosync is only on for Gmail, Google calendar (not contacts), and Weather (every 2 hrs only). Phone is not overly hot, battery is at 86 degrees right now. My brightness is at 40%.
If someone has any ideas, please share - I am at a loss, I don't know what to do... but battery life has got to be better than this, at least in terms of consistency.
Thanks so much.
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Step 1: Remove sense.
Step 2: Proceed to experience the best battery life I have ever seen on an Android device.
If you do not want to remove sense then you need to take a very close look at your apps because something in the apps is responsible. I personally think its HTC sync or some other rediculous service that comes preinstalled on the phone. Something is trying to sync or communicate and is hanging.
Like I said, get rid of sense and save yourself the hassle. Nova Prime + AOKP = the best mobile operating system known to man.
I am a bit new when it comes to Android and all the various ROMs out there. To remove Sense, do I need to unlock the bootloader and install a custom ROM? Or can I install an alternate launcher (like Nova Prime)?
Thanks!
neocryte said:
I am a bit new when it comes to Android and all the various ROMs out there. To remove Sense, do I need to unlock the bootloader and install a custom ROM? Or can I install an alternate launcher (like Nova Prime)?
Thanks!
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To remove sense you'll need to install a custom ROM such as AOKP or cm9. Those will remove sense. You can find AOKP in the general section under the title "AOKP lives!!" and cm9 under developement. They both have flaws such as the camcorder not working, but considering the flaws that sense has out of the box, you're much better off in my opinion. cm9 and AOKP will get infinitely better in the coming weeks as they iron out the bugs. Sense is disgusting bloatware that is piled on top of stock android. It takes a ton of resources and makes even the simplest tasks a chore. Once you go to an AOSP ROM I don't think you'll ever go back. I can multi task away for hours and come back to another app that wasn't closed out of memory. Try that with sense.
To install a ROM you'll need to:
Root
unlock bootloader
Install a custom recovery
Backup your entire ROM with that recovery
Flash whatever you want
All of the directions of how to do this are in the dev section. Let me know if you have any questions.
Installing a AOSP ROM (such as CM9 and AOKP) will completely "desense" your phone.
Installing a ROM based on stock (like all of the CleanROMs) will get rid of most of the HTC stuff but Sense will still be there.
Thank you seh and rohan, I will give that a try. Will read up on it and let you know if I have questions.
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Thank you seh and rohan, I will give that a try. Will read up on it and let you know if I have questions.
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Seriously just go check it out in the dev section. If you are unsure or have any questions at all come back here and let me know. I can walk you through all of it. Don't be afraid of ruining your device or anything like that. This stuff is all one click these days and isn't bad at all. I can literally walk you through every step if needed. Just check it out yourself though, I bet you'll be fine
Thanks again. Reading through the dev section now. Seems relatively straight-forward... just need to get home to get this stuff going.
neocryte said:
Thanks again. Reading through the dev section now. Seems relatively straight-forward... just need to get home to get this stuff going.
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FYI, the root process failed for me 2 times before it took. Just keep trying and it will go. Once you are rooted, you'll never have to plug your phone into a computer again. You can do anything from the device, no questions asked.
neocryte said:
Hi guys,
I am hoping someone may notice what's going on with my device... I am at a loss. Attaching all screenshots and dump file from BetterBatteryStats (may need to open in Wordpad for the spacing work).
To summarize, my battery drain is very inconsistent. Some days it lasts a long time, 2-3 hrs of screen time, can stay in standby for over 2 days. And then some days it drains very quickly, like right now - it drops by 3% every time I basically turn on the screen to check e-mail/messages. I think we can all agree that 4 hrs of standby and 15 mins of screen usage should not use 50% of the battery.
I have tried two different units (swapped thinking my battery was faulty), and the issue persists - so I think it has to be something related to my software setup. I am running the AT&T LTE stock phone, 1.85 firmware. I have tried doing the full factory reset (clearing all settings/apps/storage), and cycling the battery.
Some folks have mentioned that my drain seems to begin when I hit an area with low/no signal (I take the subway to work in the morning), and then persists - as if something is trying to sync/connect somewhere, but can't... so it keeps looping and draining the battery.
My autosync is only on for Gmail, Google calendar (not contacts), and Weather (every 2 hrs only). Phone is not overly hot, battery is at 86 degrees right now. My brightness is at 40%.
If someone has any ideas, please share - I am at a loss, I don't know what to do... but battery life has got to be better than this, at least in terms of consistency.
Thanks so much.
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Here is what I'd do before installing custom ROMs etc. (Not that I am discouraging you against that but, if your device is indeed faulty then unlocking the bootloader will void your warranty and HTC may not replace/fix it.) And, you'd have wasted countless hours trying to fix the issue with software that was hardware to begin with.
1. Run the battery test *#*#3424#*#*, press 'Accept', Go to More and run 'Battery Test'. Follow instructions in there. If the battery isn't faulty i.e. after one hour the battery level is still greater than 85% (The function test shows a different number) your battery is fine. Else, ask HTC to fix it.
2. If your phone passes the battery test; turn on 'Airplane mode' when you get into an area with spotty signal. This should address your suspicion regarding that.
3. Display: display seems to be draining the most battery - doesn't mean it actual does but, at least the phone seems to think it is. Try reducing brightness to around 20% for a day - I know it is too dim but, it will eliminate that possibility.
4. If you have facebook installed - turn off all syncing. Especially the HTC sense social plugin always tries to update it from facebook.
Based on the screenshots, it seems that the battery drains very quickly when you have the screen on, even with good signal strength.
Lastly, as an alternative to point 2 above, turn on airplane mode for 1 hour and turn off sync, remove all widgets from home screen(s) and just use the phone on wifi with stock browser - see if it drops as quickly or not.
Having gone through it, I understand how frustrating this is. In the end, I rooted and completely desensed my phone (only keeping essentials - basically recreating clean rom). I do not use Auto Sync but manually engage it every few hours to update everything. And, keep the brightness to 30% most of the time.
Hope this helps, good luck.
john_tillman, thanks for the suggestions as well!
1. I did the battery test, finished at 92%. So I think I'm OK there.
2. I will try doing airplane mode before subway rides going forward, will see if that helps.
3. Something is funky with the way the battery meter app is measuring this. Basically the battery doesn't move - and then when I unlock the phone, it drops like 3%. So my suspicion is that I'm losing battery, it just doesn't get updated until I fire up the screen.
4. Yep, all syncing is turned off. I only have Gmail/Gcalendar syncing now.
I've been playing around with the phone(s) earlier as well - keeping it in airplane mode and just watching movies/etc. makes it last forever. It really does seem to be something with the signal and perhaps something in Sense.
Have you tried CleanRom? I do like the visuals in Sense, would be sad to go to bone-stock ICS... but battery is more important.
neocryte said:
john_tillman, thanks for the suggestions as well!
1. I did the battery test, finished at 92%. So I think I'm OK there.
2. I will try doing airplane mode before subway rides going forward, will see if that helps.
3. Something is funky with the way the battery meter app is measuring this. Basically the battery doesn't move - and then when I unlock the phone, it drops like 3%. So my suspicion is that I'm losing battery, it just doesn't get updated until I fire up the screen.
4. Yep, all syncing is turned off. I only have Gmail/Gcalendar syncing now.
I've been playing around with the phone(s) earlier as well - keeping it in airplane mode and just watching movies/etc. makes it last forever. It really does seem to be something with the signal and perhaps something in Sense.
Have you tried CleanRom? I do like the visuals in Sense, would be sad to go to bone-stock ICS... but battery is more important.
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I experience the same thing. After my subway commute and after I regain signal, battery doesn't drop until a couple of seconds after o turn on my screen, but it drops like 3%.
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Rooting, and unlocking the bootloader
I was able to go from stock 1.85, to sick-sense ROM in a matter of minutes yesterday. I was nervous at first even though I know what I was doing, although all was good after following the instructions given on each step of the process. I haven't really bricked a phone before because this was my first smartphone ever, But I believe that the worse thing that can happen is soft bricking your phone, which can be resolved by RUU. I hope this helps you out.
Regarding OP, I had MUCH MUCH more battery life compared to bone stock. I used to get 3 hrs screen on time with 20% brightness, now Im at 4-5 on 50% under similar usage. One last thing to note; LTE, Auto sync, GPS, and low reception, are the most battery eating thing on the phone assuming you don't have rouge apps (wakelocks).
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I was able to go from stock 1.85, to sick-sense ROM in a matter of minutes yesterday. I was nervous at first even though I know what I was doing, although all was good after following the instructions given on each step of the process. I haven't really bricked a phone before because this was my first smartphone ever, But I believe that the worse thing that can happen is soft bricking your phone, which can be resolved by RUU. I hope this helps you out.
Regarding OP, I had MUCH MUCH more battery life compared to bone stock. I used to get 3 hrs screen on time with 20% brightness, now Im at 4-5 on 50% under similar usage. One last thing to note; LTE, Auto sync, GPS, and low reception, are the most battery eating thing on the phone assuming you don't have rouge apps (wakelocks).
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GPS has no affect on battery life unless it is being actually used. Its not going to drain battery just by being enabled. Auto sync has minimal impact on battery as well, unless you are getting 5 emails every 1 minute. Push is always more battery friendly than pull. (unless there is heavy traffic)
About the low reception thing. While it does indeed affect battery life when the phone is constantly looking for service, it is not as bad as you would think. I sit in an area at my work that has about 1 bar of service. The phone will go from 1-0 bars to searching, about every 5 minutes or so ALL day long for 8 hours. To see the impact this had on my battery life, I did some experimenting. I basically ran my phone in airplane mode for 3 days and then compared and averaged the results over 3 days of normal use with the phone having bad service.
I lost 8% more over an 8 hour work day.
neocryte said:
john_tillman, thanks for the suggestions as well!
1. I did the battery test, finished at 92%. So I think I'm OK there.
2. I will try doing airplane mode before subway rides going forward, will see if that helps.
3. Something is funky with the way the battery meter app is measuring this. Basically the battery doesn't move - and then when I unlock the phone, it drops like 3%. So my suspicion is that I'm losing battery, it just doesn't get updated until I fire up the screen.
4. Yep, all syncing is turned off. I only have Gmail/Gcalendar syncing now.
I've been playing around with the phone(s) earlier as well - keeping it in airplane mode and just watching movies/etc. makes it last forever. It really does seem to be something with the signal and perhaps something in Sense.
Have you tried CleanRom? I do like the visuals in Sense, would be sad to go to bone-stock ICS... but battery is more important.
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No, I didn't try clean ROM. But, I took the change log from one of the clean ROMs and deleted most of the apps that can be safely deleted. So, I do sort of have a clean rom and it works fine so far - in terms of battery life. When I used to boot with stock rom, I used to have 150 - 170 mb free ram. With the clean up that I performed - now, free RAM is 270 - 300 mb after a reboot.
Try disabling LTE and see how your battery does.
Click on mobile network settings, and choose gsm/hspa auto.