I have a windows 6.5 phone, it runs a legacy application that I'm not willing to part with. I cannot upgrade to Windows Phone 7 or 8. It will not run in that environment. This application will run on the real Windows XP-->7-->8. But there is no adequate app on Android or IOS.
I am looking to ditch this phone at some point in the future. What are my options?
1) Can I upgrade to Windows Phone 7-8? -- - And is there an App that employs a 'Windows Mobile 5/6' mode/emulator --- Sorta like on Windows 7 they have a Windows XP Mode (virtual machine), that allows Legacy incompatible apps to run.
2) Can I dual-boot a cool modern Android phone with Windows Mobile 5/6? - How to do it...
3) Really odd one.. Is there a phone with the real Windows 7, or the Real Windows 8 (not RT) on it. Not the phone OS's. If so, how cumbersome would it be to operate? or expensive? or big?
But I also don't want to spend $500> either.
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Hello, is there any emulator wich will alaud me to use windows xp app (like games) on mobile phones, or chance windows xp or vista or 7 to bi installed on mobile phone like htc for example?
helion222 said:
Hello, is there any emulator wich will alaud me to use windows xp app (like games) on mobile phones, or chance windows xp or vista or 7 to bi installed on mobile phone like htc for example?
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i dont think so, windows xp needs a big ammount of ram and above 2ghz cpu dual core to even run properly these days, it takes alot of HDD space too.
Its very hard to make windows xp run natively on a phone, but emulating it is out of the question.
Emulating an entire operating system will result in major slowdown, you have xbox360 with windowsxp and its running horrible, it has a 3.2ghz tricore cpu too so imagine the speed of emulating it on a 1.0ghz dual core cpu and thats the top of the line phone these days.
So, windows will be very slow and when i mean slow i mean things like taking an entire minute to send a file to recycle bin and games would be out of the question as they are in majority D3D dependant and android cellphones use OpenGL.
As the above post says, no. It is possible to emulate a Winmo device from 2003 through 6.5.3 on your PC, but not the other way round. A phone, even the powerful ones do not have enough grunt, to do the job. WinMo emulators on the PC can now run native ARM code executables directly. No mean feat, even on a 3GHz PC
If the PC program was written in native x86 code, a phone cannot run it, but if it was written in .NET and used the core basic methods and properties of the same or a previous version of the .NET CF framework, there is a very slim outside chance that it may work, but the requisites are very restrictive.
Watch for the upcoming version of Windows 8. Microsoft is determined to get onto the latest ARM powered pad devices, having already lost important ground to the iPad and 'pad' versions of Android. This should see a much closer integration of the platforms, but next year may already be too late.
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As the above post says, no. It is possible to emulate a Winmo device from 2003 through 6.5.3 on your PC, but not the other way round. A phone does not have enough grunt in it to do the job.
If the PC program was written in native x86 code, a phone cannot run it, but if it was written in .NET and used the core basic methods and properties of the same or previous version of the .NET CF framework, there is a very slim outside chance that it may work, but the requisites are very restrictive.
Watch the upcoming version of Windows 8, that Microsoft is determined to get onto the latest ARM powered pad devices, having already lost important ground to versions of Android. This should see a much closer integration of the platforms, but next year may already be too late.
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This!
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We are a small company looking to do some inhouse programming using tablets. Initially we were going to move forward on an Android Honeycomb platform because we have only Java developers here. But it looks like we can't get rugged tablets for that platform. There seem to be a lot more rugged tablets that are Windows based.
Initially I thought that we would have to use C# /.Net to code for native applications for the Windows tablets (and Windows specific API). But a colleague of mine thought we could use Java to build native applications on the Windows tablets also. Is this true? Can I use Java to build applications that can be deployed both to the Windows tablets and the Honeycombs? Our applications will also use GPS location based services. Any feedback/pointers would be sincerely appreciated. Thanks.
What devices are you talking about? Phones (running Windows Mobile 6 or Windows Phone 7) or tablets (like the iPad, currently running Windows 7 and in the future Windows 8)?
Most of Windows-based tablets are based in just normal Windows computers on x86 processor. Only very few are Windows CE-based.
On Windows XP/7 tablet PCs you can write in Java without any problem. I am not sure about GPS usage, but it can be read using JNI or just serial port. You can have some common classes/class libraries for Windows and Android, but the device logic and UI needs to be specific (and the JVM is different - Sun JVM vs. Dalvik).
On Windows 8 with "Metro", however, there is no sign yet you can develop WinRT apps using Java.
I am talking about Windows 7 tablets (and Windows 8 in future)
If you want create an app you need C# and silverlight
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I am talking about Windows 7 tablets (and Windows 8 in future)
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Well for Windows 7 you can develop using more or less whatever you prefer since there are no differences between the OS on the desktop and a tablet.
So yes, you can use Java for Windows 7.
There is some API for Location services in Windows 7 however I don't know the details about this.
I also don't know much about Android, but if you can develop for Android in Java you can at least share some code between the Windows 7 and Android version of your software.
Windows 8 will introduce a new kind of app (metro-style app) and those apps can only be written in HTML5 and Javascript or C#/VB.Net/C++/C and XAML.
However, users will still be able to use your Java Apps on Windows 8.
so it looks like Windows 7 is like a windows 7 PC. I can't find any specific books on amazon, so I do apologize if my questions are stupid.
1) Can I develop a Java application similar to that of a desktop and deploy the EAR/WAR file to the windows 7 tablet? if so, does the tablet have an inbuilt web server type application (websphere, tomcat) to serve pages? if not, will the app be loaded on a remote server and be accessed via a browser? In this case the tablet will need an internet connection all the time, correct?
Thanks again.
A Windows 7 Tablet is basically just running the desktop version of Windows 7 so you can do anything with the tablet that you could do with a Windows 7 desktop machine.
Note that Windows Phone 7 is an entirely different operating system that's barely connected.
So I'm getting a better idea of the different operating systems for mobile phones. iOs, Android, and Windows seem to be the big 3. What are the differences between windows mobile and windows phone 7?
Everything. There are no points of commonality between the two in the developer or user experiences. The Windows Phone 7 experience is more closely related to the experiences on iOS or Android than on Windows Mobile.
This is mostly because Windows Mobile is a mobile operating system which debuted on Pocket PC's (remember those?) in 2000, predating iOS by seven years. Windows Phone 7, on the other hand debuted less than 18 months ago, meant to compete directly with iOS and Android and secure Microsoft's place in the mobile market.
If you're trying to get a feel for Windows Phone 7 as a former Windows Mobile user, I suggest you go to a phone store and try the Windows Phone; there are too many differences to enumerate here.
The answer is almost everything.
Windows Phone is as similar to Windows Mobile as the iPad is to the Apple Newton
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Everything. There are no points of commonality between the two in the developer or user experiences. The Windows Phone 7 experience is more closely related to the experiences on iOS or Android than on Windows Mobile.
This is mostly because Windows Mobile is a mobile operating system which debuted on Pocket PC's (remember those?) in 2000, predating iOS by seven years. Windows Phone 7, on the other hand debuted less than 18 months ago, meant to compete directly with iOS and Android and secure Microsoft's place in the mobile market.
If you're trying to get a feel for Windows Phone 7 as a former Windows Mobile user, I suggest you go to a phone store and try the Windows Phone; there are too many differences to enumerate here.
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Windows mobile is more close to the android experience. With that i mean - battery life varies highly between each. HTC sense is found on windows mobile that are htc's which android also has. multiple hardware buttons. Applications can have root access and effect the whole phone. Multiple roms available that are custom built
Windows phone is closer to the Iphone only in terms like ease of use and smoothness. It however is very different from the Iphone. Like the iphone, things are more sand boxed. An application cannot bring the whole phone down. Security is high and malware on both iphone and windows phone is non existant. Windows phone uses live tiles that scroll vertically and flip and move to show information without actually opening the app. Iphone scrolls horizontally in grids of icons that are small and do not show extra information.
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So I'm getting a better idea of the different operating systems for mobile phones. iOs, Android, and Windows seem to be the big 3. What are the differences between windows mobile and windows phone 7?
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In one word?
Metro.
When I wanted to know more about Windows Phone 7, I watched some videos, but then went into the Verizon phone store and tired the Trophy... and loved it. Bought one the very next day.
There is no "official" backwards compatibility with WM 6.x apps... but DFT is working on a full blown WM 6.x series emulator that might allow for those apps to work.
As far as experience, I won't touch an iPhone for moral reasons... but compared to Android, Windows Phone 7's experience is much smoother and much better on batteries in general. Windows Phone 7 runs smooth as silk (especially since most phones aren't duel+ core and full of power hogging hardware).. and I just love the experience.
The only REAL downside I can find is no Swype keyboard, but I've dealt with it since voice input works very well (for me).
I think the biggest factor about seeing the demo phone in person... was figuring out all the major functions of the phone on my own in less then 10 mins. A few things aren't obvious, but now I think about how to use phones differently with Windows Phone 7 (like holding stuff and seeing if options pop-up, or pressing ... for more options on some screens).
Definatly as stated watch some videos. You won't see live tiles on the demo phones doing much because they do not have live accounts attached to them. You miss 25% of the experience when demoing in a store.
I am planning to buy a Windows Phone...so I was wondering if they can be used for debugging like how android phones can just be connected the computer and eclipse will send the application to it? So can it be used for debugging and testing of apps that are being developed by a developer.
Yes.
You need the Windows Phone Development Tools (free) and from there you can deploy your project to either a WP emulator or a real device.
If you want to deploy and debug on a real device, the device will ned to be developer-unlocked (essentially, the "allow non-Marketplace apps" checkbox from Android, but it's more restricted on WP7). However, if you just want to debug, the WP7 "emulator" is quite usable, and is free. It's actually an x86 virtual machine, so if you have hardware virtualization enabled on your PC, it will run with pretty close to native speed (far, far faster than the awful performance of the Android emulator).
Pros and cons of the new OS developed by Microsoft?
Why yes? Because it's based off of the Windows NT Hybrid kernel (though more monolithic in nature), so it utilizes a robust and secure system while maintaining speed and multitasking capabilities.
Why not? Well, you may already know. It's not compatible with legacy Windows software. Can only install apps through the Windows Market and even there you're limited. Only allows Flash on approved websites and isn't nearly adopted as either Android or iOS. It's definitely a great OS, but it's slow to be adopted by manufacturers. If it goes the way of WebOS, then you're stuck with the equivalent of a TouchPad.
Pros: none
Cons: it's microsoft
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So the only and main problem is on the Windows store? Do you think that this OS, in the future, will "level up" or will go down?
Pros: Comes with Office 2013, I've yet to see an office suite on Android that is desktop grade, but LibreOffice is coming eventually.
Cons: Can't run existing Windows programs, locked bootloader, upgrades to future versions of Windows unknown
Personally I'd pay a bit more for an Intel Windows 8 tablet if you want a windows tablet.