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I was thinking about selling my Vibrant and buying a G2x, but the dev section seems to be pretty dead. Any reason why wasnt this CMs personal phone at one time?
I think part of it is LG's quick memory regarding it. Quick as in quick to forget it, and Nvidia won't release driver source so devs are forced to reuse the 2.3.3 release in order to get 100% functionality.
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I was thinking about selling my Vibrant and buying a G2x, but the dev section seems to be pretty dead. Any reason why wasnt this CMs personal phone at one time?
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Some devs don't post updates on xda. Some of them give updatea via twitter or other sites. But it's not dead.
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Does anyone know if they will ever release new drivers? So basically until they do which is most likely never this phone has been as updated as possible? I noticed CM7 is still updating which means 2.3.6 so is there much chance of ICS? Finally who are some good people to follow on twitter for good roms? Thanks a ton guys!
due to overall problems
I believe there were many more developers that planned on developing for the g2x and bought the device to do so as i did.
But with so may problems at the start i just didnt want to even attempt to rom for this device and be blamed when the phone self destructed. after much tampering it is running pretty well but i just dont trust the phone and im sure there are some others that didnt work on the G2X for the same reason. There are some very good options out there and talented people that are working on the G2x. so dont be afraid due to low quanity because there is some high quality work done.
Not sure it will grow much since its been obvious that tmobile and lg's fix for the phone is to shutup until it goes away. But the roms have the phone running pretty well and you wont be disapointed, But i would wait until oct 12th and get the hercules(even without the samsung chip) will be a killer phone or the HTC coming out the same day with similar specs.
This phone works fabulously with CyanogenMod, EXCEPT that bluetooth audio (to a wireless headset or whatever) doesn't work.
Other than that, EVEYRYTHING works. Love this phone.
Well that's disappointing to hear that I probably will never see ICS running on this device. It's a very capable device and the fact that LG refuses to update makes me want to put them in the same category as Viewsonic (unfortunately I also bought the g-tablet).
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barqers said:
Well that's disappointing to hear that I probably will never see ICS running on this device. It's a very capable device and the fact that LG refuses to update makes me want to put them in the same category as Viewsonic (unfortunately I also bought the g-tablet).
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will be the best hope to get icecream running. if they do so than other rommers will also follow suite. but cm leads the way on drivers and such for most roms. so if they dont do it ussually noone does. But i wouldnt expect to see anything from LG, they have not shown anything in the way of skill or care to put out updates for their devices.
Because there ate stable ROMs out there and you can only do so much. Other lively dev sections ate deceiving - 20 variations of the stock ROM with different wallpapers and start up screens does not mean a lot of development for the phone.
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I've been running cm7 for about a month now and I'm really happy with it. Every other rom I try have issues and I always come back to cm7. It makes the g2x a very good phone IMO
There are plenty of devs to follow just some took some time off to dev for other devices ... I follow fitsnugly because he does some great compiling with his roms ... Morfic has some awesome kernals and faux123 has his aosp rom and awesome kernals... doniqq has his eaglesblood roms ... whitehawkx has weapon rom... so there's plenty ... I'm a crackflasher so I'm always running something different .... I felt the same way ..Was thinking of jumping ship to a different phone but I just live this phone... Just look around the forum.. there's always somthing ...
One of the basic things I had to decide on was whether I wanted the LG camera app with an OTA based rom or all the fancy-ness of a CM7 based rom. Now I'm at the point where I just group OTA or CM7 and go from there.
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One of the basic things I had to decide on was whether I wanted the LG camera app with an OTA based rom or all the fancy-ness of a CM7 based rom. Now I'm at the point where I just group OTA or CM7 and go from there.
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I know what you mean... I use my camera often... Work and personal use and at one point was running cm7 and was comparing the different can apps from the market ... My wife thought I was going nuts , I was sitting in my living room taking pics for like an hour and a half and comparing pics... There are some pretty good free camera apps that I've used with cm7.. vignette is pretty good...
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I know what you mean... I use my camera often... Work and personal use and at one point was running cm7 and was comparing the different can apps from the market ... My wife thought I was going nuts , I was sitting in my living room taking pics for like an hour and a half and comparing pics... There are some pretty good free camera apps that I've used with cm7.. vignette is pretty good...
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Yup. Work and personal for me too. I tried a few market apps but I just couldn't find something that I was happy with. It was kind of a deal breaker for me considering I really wanted to stick to CM7 for the ridiculous theme/customization options out there.
Swift Star is out, another new ROM. Several out there to try. I prefer those based on 2.3.3 OTA
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Swift Star is out, another new ROM. Several out there to try. I prefer those based on 2.3.3 OTA
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I was running this rom up until 5 minutes ago... I just reflashed fitsnuglys 9/27 kang... Dont get me wrong the 2.3.3 roms are great... There's just something about the cm7 and the kangs that I like... There's always something new added to them and for me they seem to make my phone run better ... Sure there's no LG camera but there's plenty of camera market apps..
Yeah, I see updates for ROMs pretty often, every 5-10days, that's a good release period, and if you want to use a ROM that is constantly being developed just run CM7, a lot of people say it's not good with battery but if you flash one of morfics kernels you will have great battery life. Some people run into issues with it but if you wipe everything you should be fine. Faux's AOSP Rom+Kernel run great together also.
While development might have slowed down a bit for this phone, there's still plenty of excellent devs and roms to choose from. I have always preferred faux's aosp rom/kernel combo for my daily stable/very reliable/great performing/battery life.
Now if you want to see no development look no further then the mytouch4g slide thread. That's just sad cuz even the og mt4g has tons of devs working on it and its still a great phone.
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ICS has also now been ported and boots up on the Droid 3 lol. Great work to Hashcode for getting it going!
http://hash-of-codes.blogspot.com/2011/11/you-got-your-ice-cream-on-my-droid-3-no.html
Well, it is a 3G phone, so there shouldn't be issues getting the radios working. I do find it amusing the type of the support these cheesy phones get though.
I don't want to get off topic, but I am curious what sort of CIQ and other potential spyware has been implemented in ICS. It seems a good opportunity for Google to embed CIQ deep within the framework, but alas, who knows.
The main two features of ICS that I think I would like, but don't need, is USB OTG and WiFi Direct.
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ICS has also now been ported and boots up on the Droid 3 lol. Great work to Hashcode for getting it going!
http://hash-of-codes.blogspot.com/2011/11/you-got-your-ice-cream-on-my-droid-3-no.html
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Smh we will never see it
I keep hearing we won't have ics because we have a 4g phone but the bionic just got ics port... Maybe we still have hope?
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I keep hearing we won't have ics because we have a 4g phone but the bionic just got ics port... Maybe we still have hope?
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Very good point!!!!
I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...
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I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...
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Don't do it because of us! Do what you enjoy doing and share with us because your proud of your work.
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I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...
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You already know. Yes, we are eager for ICS/CM7.1/CM7.2/CM9...and everything under the sun that a working RIL would enable us. But, having said that, I think the vast majority of us place FUNCTION in front of FEATURES.
We, Android enthusists with the skills to flash but not actually dev, are like children and will never be satisfied. We need a healthy meal, but are going to whine to have candy for dinner every night. As a dev, you're more similar to our parent in this metaphor... Don't take it personally when we metaphorically say we hate you--we don't. We love you. We need your help to eat at all, so make sure it's the best meal you can provide.
Besides, if the RIL never comes, who bought this phone for Ice Cream Sandwich anyway? I bought this phone for 4G.
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I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...
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imnuts, please don't take my post or the title the wrong way. I am in now way at all saying anything bad about what you do for this phone. Your work is very highly regarded in my book. I was just pointing out how crazy it is with all these ICS ports coming out now. I can promise you that I am grateful for all the work you do for us.
If you want an AOSP ROM, you shouldn't buy a Samsung phone.
Twice bitten for me. Neither of my Samsung phones has had an AOSP ROM.
As a self-proclaimed nube, I am generally curious what advantages we would see on AOSP anyways.
Is there some super-spiffy amazing bad-ass feature that I don't know about?
Humble 5.0 is great for me. I will try Infinity if/when its ready.
ICS in particular has WiFi Direct and USB OTG as I mentioned above, which I assume that CM7 wouldn't enable.
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As a self-proclaimed nube, I am generally curious what advantages we would see on AOSP anyways.
Is there some super-spiffy amazing bad-ass feature that I don't know about?
Humble 5.0 is great for me. I will try Infinity if/when its ready.
ICS in particular has WiFi Direct and USB OTG as I mentioned above, which I assume that CM7 wouldn't enable.
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AOSP tends to offer a faster experience, and better battery life. It does this by not having any carrier or OEM bloat anywhere. There is a lot of stuff added on to the stock ROM that cannot be removed. To give you an idea, a heavily debloated TW ROM for the Fascinate is usually ~160MB, give or take, where as a stock AOSP ROM is <100MB for the same Android version, GB in this case. That would mean that even the best debloated/cleaned up TouchWiz ROM is still going to have about 40% more useless junk in it than a stock AOSP ROM, and that junk slows down the system and drains the battery.
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I keep hearing we won't have ics because we have a 4g phone but the bionic just got ics port... Maybe we still have hope?
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Bionic got ICS support because Kejar has a Bionic probably. I'm just glad we are on the eve of GB finally and that Imnuts and Imoseyon can get to business with some code.
Over the years around computers I've learned one thing, the next OS is always easier to use, easier to program in and what not, but it is always more complex and requires more hardware, more RAM and shortly after release the end user experience isn't all that much better than it was 6 months earlier. You should see DOS 5 run on a quad core monster processor - wow!
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Bionic got ICS support because Kejar has a Bionic probably. I'm just glad we are on the eve of GB finally and that Imnuts and Imoseyon can get to business with some code.
Over the years around computers I've learned one thing, the next OS is always easier to use, easier to program in and what not, but it is always more complex and requires more hardware, more RAM and shortly after release the end user experience isn't all that much better than it was 6 months earlier. You should see DOS 5 run on a quad core monster processor - wow!
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I agree with what you're saying mostly, but your post almost sounds like you expect Imnuts and Imoseyon to develop and post their work when they have zero obligation to develop and/or share any of their work in any way. If I wasn't so hard-pressed for cash, I would donate more to the devs. I will when I am able though.
One should also remember the short life cycle of smartphones. I am already looking forward to the Galaxy S III mostly for the display- SAMOLED III.
Also, I would like to be able to watch 480p Flash content in the browser without having to overclock, hopefully 720p Flash in the browser with the GS3.
Of course I would like my Charge to blaze along at its maximum potential, but there is a thin line between spending and wasting time on dated hardware. If you want the the best experience on a device, then it would be best to buy older hardware that it well-developed, like the Fascinate. I am willing to sacrifice for the perks of the Charge, like the SAMOLED+ display and 4G.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-announces-ice-cream-sandwich-for-galaxy-devices/
Guess which phone is missing??
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-announces-ice-cream-sandwich-for-galaxy-devices/
Guess which phone is missing??
F*ck this phone! Selling now.
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If you're too impatient for us devs to get cm7 and/or cm9 ported to this phone, then we'll be glad to see you go.
Good Luck!
Really? Was that really necessary, op?
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It hurts me a little in the inside seeing that, but I'll live. This phone has been great, don't diss it!
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My comment may have been a little harsh and I will delete it. Seriously though, this phone will always be one step behind the rest. It is a great device and it's hardware specs fall in line with those receiving ICS. Samsung just got Ginger out to us and how long has that been out?
I do appreciate all the work the Devs have done and are doing. Without you guys this phone would be completely dead. Currently though it is half dead and time to sell based on Samsung's decision.
I have the feeling this phone will get ICS through other channels, but that remains to be seen, for one, and the lack of support for this device from Samsung is really the point here, for two.
With the Android Update Alliance a clear attempt to simply stay concerns for fragmentation and lacking, irresponsible product support shining so clearly through it's remains, I am very glad to have kept this phone and to have supported developers that are on my team, and not just pretending to be. Sell? NO WAI.
What outcome does that hold? More money to Samsung for the seemingly delicious SGS2? Or better yet, complaining about the unhealthy support at the device deli I am seats at, only to cross the street and put money down to bite on another manufacturer's mis-advertised meal?
No no, my question remains.
Where's the beef? It goes unanswered.
Except here at XDA. Where support means putting my money where my mouth is. Raver, Hawk, and Co. can expect their christmas bonus. The money I won't spend on empty promises can go to those who were promised nothing, promised nothing, and delivered anyways.
May all your device purchases be used, may all your developers get their just rewards, and may all your manufacturers have their feet held close to the fire.
Merry Christmas to XDA, and to all abused consumers on Android who haven't wised up to where your dollars belong, a swift flight.
I am happy to stay right here, of new devices steer clear, and to upgrade eventually without fear - all thanks to the community found so near. Two clicks to XDA!
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ooh, that's a cheap move by Sammy. All they care about is cash. They are quite aware that this phone will run ICS almost as well as gs2, not counting the dual core thing. If not that, it will still be as fast if not faster than GB on this. Oh well, at least we will get CM7. I don't know about cm9 because we might have the same kernel source issue. Oh well, maybe ill get the next of the nexuses. Maybe with "jolly rancher" or something similar. Maybe 4.1 or 5.0.
Anyway, those who are average and don't mod their android phones who get the ICS update ota from Samsung won't even notice it is different because touchwiz would kill it anyway.
Edit: nice poem aldreth. You posted before me, so I didn't see it previously.
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Did sammy ever even promise us GB? I don't recall one being made, and with ICS on the horizon, our chances were looking less and less likely. The plans for the SGS4G may not have been announced, but there is still a slight chance. i'll get my ICS soon enough, whether it be with this device or another.
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-announces-ice-cream-sandwich-for-galaxy-devices/
Guess which phone is missing??
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Seriously???
May be a stupid question but what would you so need in ICS that GB cannot deliver? You realize that it's not gonna be any faster or better, right? I mean you're running on the same exact hardware and you'll see about the same level of performance out of it no matter which android os you're using.
Sorry, I just don't get this constant need to upgrade thing...
I know I'm upgrading the os when there's
1. a definite improvement in its performance
2. soft that runs on it and doesn't run on the older os
Meanwhile and probably for the next year or so everything will work fine with GB.
Slick ass movie by samsung. Them ****s want us to buy another phone.
@Airfluip1- You said we will at least get CM7, is that for sure? I mean is someone working on it now and is it official or un-official?
I do not see the point of ICS as it is basically only a cosmetic difference than what we are running now. The awesome devs here have already made Roms that outperform ICS on our phones. I would much rather see MIUI but, CM7 will be good too.
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@Airfluip1- You said we will at least get CM7, is that for sure? I mean is someone working on it now and is it official or un-official?
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There are a few devs working on it, if we could only work together... Thats another story.
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I do not see the point of ICS as it is basically only a cosmetic difference than what we are running now. The awesome devs here have already made Roms that outperform ICS on our phones. I would much rather see MIUI but, CM7 will be good too.
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I'm actually speechless... Wow.
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I'm actually speechless... Wow.
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I guess what I should have said was how much better could ICS be versus what we have now with the custom Roms? I mean my phone is seriously fast and will run anything I want, so what's the point? What could I do with ICS that I cannot do now?
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I guess what I should have said was how much better could ICS be versus what we have now with the custom Roms?
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With a newer kernel, one would only expect bugfixes, performance fixes, and new features (like host usb support, new arm hibernation support, and a ton of others...)
With a newer android, I know there are bugs that I opened with AOSP that are fixed in ICS. So that would be nice to be able to test the resolution of the bugs I opened. Lots of other android specific fixes, performance improvements, and new features.
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I mean my phone is seriously fast and will run anything I want, so what's the point? What could I do with ICS that I cannot do now?
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Sh*t, I'm not going to tell you what to do or whatever. Do what you want.
I'll bet you'll be impressed when you use it, but work will need to be done before we can get there... so...
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Seriously???
May be a stupid question but what would you so need in ICS that GB cannot deliver? You realize that it's not gonna be any faster or better, right? I mean you're running on the same exact hardware and you'll see about the same level of performance out of it no matter which android os you're using.
Sorry, I just don't get this constant need to upgrade thing...
I know I'm upgrading the os when there's
1. a definite improvement in its performance
2. soft that runs on it and doesn't run on the older os
Meanwhile and probably for the next year or so everything will work fine with GB.
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You obviously don't love android as much as us.
If you don't care about what android, then go buy a used G1 or an iPhone.
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ICS is beautiful. Not just the eye-candy but the features are greater. I mean, if we get more Bhundvens, and etc working to make our phone as fast as a galaxy nexus, then if we get ICS, we can make it faster. Like I said though. Android love = loving and cherishing the updates. Every version will be better. But we should make the best of trying to get each version.(That's just me). Also, why MIUI, i love CM7 much better.(personal preference, maybe just what you like, I hate iPhone, just like MIUI, I love AOSP android, CM7)
But I guess we will get CM7 sometime. +1 to Bhundven.
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You obviously don't love android as much as us.
If you don't care about what android, then go buy a used G1 or an iPhone.
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ICS is beautiful. Not just the eye-candy but the features are greater. I mean, if we get more Bhundvens, and etc working to make our phone as fast as a galaxy nexus, then if we get ICS, we can make it faster. Like I said though. Android love = loving and cherishing the updates. Every version will be better. But we should make the best of trying to get each version.(That's just me). Also, why MIUI, i love CM7 much better.(personal preference, maybe just what you like, I hate iPhone, just like MIUI, I love AOSP android, CM7)
But I guess we will get CM7 sometime. +1 to Bhundven.
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Agreed CM7 is my daily driver on my G2 and its amazing so i am incredibly ecstatic theres a chance i could get it on here too thanks to all devs we dont need sammy we got something a hell of alot better in our devs here
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You obviously don't love android as much as us.
If you don't care about what android, then go buy a used G1 or an iPhone.
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ICS is beautiful. Not just the eye-candy but the features are greater. I mean, if we get more Bhundvens, and etc working to make our phone as fast as a galaxy nexus, then if we get ICS, we can make it faster. Like I said though. Android love = loving and cherishing the updates. Every version will be better. But we should make the best of trying to get each version.(That's just me). Also, why MIUI, i love CM7 much better.(personal preference, maybe just what you like, I hate iPhone, just like MIUI, I love AOSP android, CM7)
But I guess we will get CM7 sometime. +1 to Bhundven.
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I was basing what I said off of " don't fix something that's not broken ". I just don't see enough improvements ( software-wise ) to make me wanna switch from ( hopefully soon ) CM7 to ICS or even Tehgyb's Rom I am on now to ICS. I love Android and I loved having CM7 on all of my devices, I still have an Optimus V and Incredible S running CM7 and I was really disappointed when I got this phone and there was not a CM7 for it which blew me away as seeing as this is a Galaxy S phone. I'm not saying ICS is not good, I'm just saying that talking and reading about it hasn't done anything to me to make me want to use it. Of course I will try it the first day it is available for this phone and I probaly will say " Damn, this is nice! " but, until I can use it for myself and not just read about it, I'm going to stick with my point.
@Airfluip1, I will never own an iAnything.
bswann, since no one has actually answered your question about what features ICS has that GB does not, you can try reading these articles to get a better idea:
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-2-3-gingerbread-vs-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-37742/
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-1043150/review
To the user, it seems like it's mostly UI improvements, making certain tasks easier to perform and monitor. Also, I heard ICS will automatically adjust to whatever screen resolution it runs on, so you won't need a different version to run on a phone vs a tablet (like honeycomb).
It seems the backend has been restructured as well, and while this probably won't be visible to the user, we can only assume that it will make the system run smoother and faster as a whole. I hope so, anyway.
So really, in a nutshell, ICS probably won't give your phone a bunch of features it doesn't have already, but it should make things run smoother, faster, and easier.
I'm not on contract, so I might upgrade IF I feel that ICS offers some things I can't live without, and I will get to test it soon on my HP Touchpad (CM team is working on a port right now). But for now, GB serves me well on my GS4G.
ICS
All i know is that my fast phone was made faster by the dev's here. Most of us appreciate the time spent as I enjoy sampling all the rom's.
If someone can port the ICS to our phone I am sure it will be that much better.
Thanks and Happy Holidays.
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Devs are already working on CM7. Just give it some time. In the future I'll be developing for this phone as well.
After a week with this phone my general consensus is that it works terribly.
First, let me say the hardware is great and the industrial design, the look, is top notch and the only reason I still have the phone.
HTC has really made this phone bad and AT&T hasn't helped by not letting us put our own rom on it to fix the major issues.
Firstly, Gmail push email only works when it wants to work. This is a 2007 issue that's been solved for half a decade.
When I leave my house and I try to use data, the phone shows as still being connected to my WiFi and therefore no data will work. So I have to manually turn wifi off.
Multitasking? Yea right. At first I was puzzled as to why after switching back to an app it would restart. Was the phone running out of RAM? Doesn't it have 1GB? Turns out it's a software thing. Again, multitasking was an issue solved in 2007.
These are the only major issues with this device, and they are major because it affects me multiple times a day.
If this phone didn't have great hardware and look awesome I would have returned it the same day.
The fact that these issues can all be solved by flashing another rom gives me hope that this will someday be a useable device.
Just needed to rant.
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We didn't need that rant
Well. I feel better after I wrote it
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I have to admit: the multitasking thing really bothers me. I can't duplicate it on my Gnex and that alone makes me wonder about this phone. It seems to go against everything Android stands for. If I wanted a phone that saves states, I'd use my iPhone.
Love the camera on this phone and the screen is amazing. I love some of Sense's customizations such as the Facebook and Twitter integration in contacts, but they seem to have kind of ruined ICS. My GSM Gnex got just as good battery life with full blown multitasking.
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I have to admit: the multitasking thing really bothers me. I can't duplicate it on my Gnex and that alone makes me wonder about this phone. It seems to go against everything Android stands for. If I wanted a phone that saves states, I'd use my iPhone.
Love the camera on this phone and the screen is amazing. I love some of Sense's customizations such as the Facebook and Twitter integration in contacts, but they seem to have kind of ruined ICS. My GSM Gnex got just as good battery life with full blown multitasking.
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Do you know if we would use cm7 or any other custom rom that we would be able to multitask properly? That is bothering me as well. It keeps reloading everything. If the hardware wasnt so nice, it would have gone back already.
I would imagine so. I think Sense is prematurely killing apps to save memory.
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seriously??
its obviously whatever they set as the default mem manager and how aggresive they set it, probably to do with the scheduler too
i can replicate that behaviour on my cappy by adjusting mem manager to aggresive....so..i wouldnt fault the phone. theyll either adjust it in an update due to feedback, or we can just control it ourselves once we are all on a custom rom.
you shoulda known this if youve ever run any sort of custom rom....one would think. but now you do....so fret no you must young padiwan, good things coming they are, wait you must.
ptesmoke said:
seriously??
its obviously whatever they set as the default mem manager and how aggresive they set it, probably to do with the scheduler too
i can replicate that behaviour on my cappy by adjusting mem manager to aggresive....so..i wouldnt fault the phone. theyll either adjust it in an update due to feedback, or we can just control it ourselves once we are all on a custom rom.
you shoulda known this if youve ever run any sort of custom rom....one would think. but now you do....so fret no you must young padiwan, good things coming they are, wait you must.
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I have no doubt that something like Cyanogenmod would resolve this, but I don't want to install a custom rom and shouldn't have to. The phone should work correctly without hacking it.
From the few responses I have seen from HTC reps that users have contacted, they don't seem to think this is a problem. They claim this is "how multitasking is intended to function". That tells me a fix will not be forthcoming.
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We didn't need that rant
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we really didnt. Seeing that there is a shortage of the same rants on the forum right now.
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I have no doubt that something like Cyanogenmod would resolve this, but I don't want to install a custom rom and shouldn't have to. The phone should work correctly without hacking it.
From the few responses I have seen from HTC reps that users have contacted, they don't seem to think this is a problem. They claim this is "how multitasking is intended to function". That tells me a fix will not be forthcoming.
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I'm not trying to troll, but how do so many people that want to run stock end up on xda lol? I love the hacking & experimenting aspect of Android. That being said, I don't really see any problems with the multi-tasking outside of the browser reloading so much (I've been using Firefox more anyway & it works fine). My galaxy nexus wasn't that much better either. Could htc have done a better job? Sure, probably. But the phone is pretty impressive, multi-tasking issues aside.
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I'm not trying to troll, but how do so many people that want to run stock end up on xda lol? I love the hacking & experimenting aspect of Android. That being said, I don't really see any problems with the multi-tasking outside of the browser reloading so much (I've been using Firefox more anyway & it works fine). My galaxy nexus wasn't that much better either. Could htc have done a better job? Sure, probably. But the phone is pretty impressive, multi-tasking issues aside.
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You may have noticed (or not, depending on how observant you are) that not every post on here is about hacking, modding, and rooting. Some people actually come here to talk about the phones, report bugs, compare notes, ask questions, etc.
Multitasking is much worse than a browser refresh. Start up Pandora or Slacker and let them run in the background. They will die. Start a game and then open a few other apps and come back to the game and it will completely reload and lose all progress. This is not how Android multitasking is supposed to work.
And I'm sorry, but waiting for a custom rom to make this phone work correctly is like buying a Macbook Air, getting nonstop kernel panics and hoping that someone will release a version of Linux that you can install on it to make it run correctly.
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You may have noticed (or not, depending on how observant you are) that not every post on here is about hacking, modding, and rooting. Some people actually come here to talk about the phones, report bugs, compare notes, ask questions, etc.
Multitasking is much worse than a browser refresh. Start up Pandora or Slacker and let them run in the background. They will die. Start a game and then open a few other apps and come back to the game and it will completely reload and lose all progress. This is not how Android multitasking is supposed to work.
And I'm sorry, but waiting for a custom rom to make this phone work correctly is like buying a Macbook Air, getting nonstop kernel panics and hoping that someone will release a version of Linux that you can install on it to make it run correctly.
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I do understand that there are plenty of non-development threads given that this is in "general". Nobody is making you keep the phone and wait for a fix either. But you are right, it is a vital function of the phone and you would expect it to perform as it's supposed to. Every phone I've owned has had some kind of flaw or quirk and the developers here do an awesome job fixing them as well as making the phone better in almost every aspect fairly quickly.
*Edit - So after thinking about it, I realized that I haven't really used the multi-tasking feature all that much and decided to put it through some tests. Apparently it does suck lol so I apologize ...using home to exit current app then going back to a previously used app via the launcher does work a little better, but there is definitely some work to be done
Rants are good. Gets the word out on issues that hopefully get resolved.
At least be accurate with your rant. From a little googling the Tmobile G1 was release in 2008 and Gmail push was released in 2009, not 2007.
I have never really understand why htc...spend money make their own sense android... and they know people will try anything to get aosp back...
also those people who has galaxy nexus and tries to port sense...UI....god...they must have time....
I went to a store to try this device tonight. The hardware and screen are simply awesome. Sense even looks nice and the UI was lightning quick. It is really disappointing that basic things like WiFi-3G handoff and multitasking are not working right...things I've taken for granted for awhile on CyanogenMod. I agree with others, I was hoping to not have to mess with custom ROMs at all, by now it should just work great out of the box. Now I have to monitor the software situation here and compare to the SGSIII when it's released.
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I have never really understand why htc...spend money make their own sense android... and they know people will try anything to get aosp back...
also those people who has galaxy nexus and tries to port sense...UI....god...they must have time....
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the grass is always greener...
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Firstly, Gmail push email only works when it wants to work. This is a 2007 issue that's been solved for half a decade.
-> gmail works fine for me. i get notifications as soon as i get an email sent.
When I leave my house and I try to use data, the phone shows as still being connected to my WiFi and therefore no data will work. So I have to manually turn wifi off.
->have you tried using the newer version of stock, it has wifi fixes, ive had this issue one time, but not again.
Multitasking? Yea right. At first I was puzzled as to why after switching back to an app it would restart. Was the phone running out of RAM? Doesn't it have 1GB? Turns out it's a software thing. Again, multitasking was an issue solved in 2007.
-> never had any multitasking problem but people complain about it a lot.
on the other side....hehe
Multitasking is the only system/device problem that everyone has. I have zero wifi issues and zero push issues. Not everyone got stuck with a buggy One X. Just sayin.
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Reasons Why
1- Battery Life, your phone drain the battery very quickly, i tried many ICS and Jelly Bean roms and all of them the same thing with battery.
2- Phone perfomances, theses rom slowdown your systems.
3- Wifi signal is really poor, i did everything to get my signal strong as GingerBread was, but nothing works.
4- Unstable system, sometimes you have randoms reboots. No Matter what rom you use.
The best rom for this phone is GingerBread(Custom or Stock) until now, cause all those custom of Jelly Bean and Ice Cream, have many bugs.
So think about it before you flash ICS OR Jelly Bean. i have to use [Heimdall][One-Click] to go back, since i go back to GingerBread everything is back to normal.
My phone now is rooted, custom recovery and Stock GingerBread 2.3.6 the perfect combination for me now.
REMEMBER THIS JUST ON T959V..
1) Depends on your settings mostly. Some people have gotten >6 days battery out of ICS.
2) Mine is WAY faster than GB. This is in line with most people's results as well.
3) The wifi is actually the same strength. Bars show lower, because GB lied. Change it to dB and you'll see.
4) Your battery is dying. Not ICS/JB fault that you have faulty hardware.
Good that you like GB though. Have fun.
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It seems like u have just wake up from a long sleep from the cave my friend.. you cannot justify that some of the ICS and JB roms we have all of the bad
things you have mentioned. i am currently on ICS AOKP which for me the close to stock and stable ICS. i can agree with you about JB which just arrive
in this phone not so long ago on which our great dev's are still looking for solution for some major problem exist..
Its your choice to stay on what you think its good for you and what you think the best choice. Not all of us here may agree with your statement right now
because some of the people here already jumping into JB.. I hope you can search a little more to find out on how to provide a good and stable rom for your
phone rather that whining the bad things you have experience..
I'm on ICS and haven't experienced 1 random reboot in a year, while I had many on GB. Memory management and availability is far superior compares to GB and Wifi strength seems the same. Battery is the same unless you have a dying battery which is possible.
P.S what's your point?
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LOL, i never got any on ICS, but I did on GB and JB, but on JB, I only get one once every month or two, so I don't mind.
Everyone who says they get crappy battery life needs to spend a week with a rom not installing anything else that didn't come with the phone. It'll be a good experiment. You'll get to see how much random apps drain your phone's battery with so many wakelocks, etc.
Again, if you wanna see your phone get great battery life on ICS/JB, DON'T INSTALL ANY APPS for a week.
I wonder if people with bad battery life use GPS. I noticed on ICS that once I use GPS no matter with what program the phone goes unstable and sometimes starts to discharge rapidly. The GPS is flaky at best anyway, once it would start, next time it wouldn't, no real pattern to it and nothing interesting in the logs. I found that after using it it's better to reboot right away to avoid troubles.
I don't experience any of the problems you seem to address on Cyanogenmod 9.
way-to-go on the discouragement... so sad, then next week you'll be asking why development is slow.
the energy used to create this thread would have been better spent discussing what makes android great (freedom, freedom to choose the rom off your choice) without being biased by disgruntled users.
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QUIETLYloud said:
way-to-go on the discouragement... so sad, then next week you'll be asking why development is slow.
the energy used to create this thread would have been better spent discussing what makes android great (freedom, freedom to choose the rom off your choice) without being biased by disgruntled users.
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I just saying that thoses ics and jellybean customs rom most of them have the problem i wrote before but on T959V cause this is a lowend phone it is just 512mb of ram thats too low for ICS and JellyBean.
Im not saying anything bad about android, because android is and will be the best os for smartphones, all my devices are android.
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xtreme2020 said:
I just saying that thoses ics and jellybean customs rom most of them have the problem i wrote before but on T959V cause this is a lowend phone it is just 512mb of ram thats too low for ICS and JellyBean.
Im not saying anything bad about android, because android is and will be the best os for smartphones, all my devices are android.
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Slim JB is like 85MB. the 512MB is no problem for that. And it's fast. Faster than GB ever was.
xtreme2020 said:
I just saying that thoses ics and jellybean customs rom most of them have the problem i wrote before but on T959V cause this is a lowend phone it is just 512mb of ram thats too low for ICS and JellyBean.
Im not saying anything bad about android, because android is and will be the best os for smartphones, all my devices are android.
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Except that the issues you listed are just plain wrong. They either aren't true, or are due to something else. As I broke down your reasons points by point earlier, they're either due to bad hardware (your battery, 2 of the reasons you gave), bad software (your programs sucking down the battery and making the hardware worse), GB/Samsung lying (showing more Wifi bars to make you think it has a better signal strength even when the dB is the same), or bad scheduler/governor choices.
And then you present this as truth... note the title you gave it. Reasons why Stay away From.... not Reasons why I Stay away From. Your presentation is either useless... we don't really care why you don't like it for yourself; we're not judging you if you go back to GB... or worse, demotivational for the developers doing the actual work. If you have something useful to share with the class, do it. This doesn't qualify. And if you don't want to get judged, you'll do much better if you aren't blaming the developers for your dying battery.
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Slim JB is like 85MB. the 512MB is no problem for that. And it's fast. Faster than GB ever was.
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I used slim and it was very buggy, battery drain and poor wifi was the main problem.
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I used slim and it was very buggy, battery drain and poor wifi was the main problem.
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Wifi isn't officially working on the latest Slim, so not sure what one you tried. I only managed to get wifi working for 4.2.2 last night, so it wasn't that one, and a lot of the JB rom's released are early stages. My point was that JB runs fine on our phone CPU and limited space.
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Except that the issues you listed are just plain wrong. They either aren't true, or are due to something else. As I broke down your reasons points by point earlier, they're either due to bad hardware (your battery, 2 of the reasons you gave), bad software (your programs sucking down the battery and making the hardware worse), GB/Samsung lying (showing more Wifi bars to make you think it has a better signal strength even when the dB is the same), or bad scheduler/governor choices.
And then you present this as truth... note the title you gave it. Reasons why Stay away From.... not Reasons why I Stay away From. Your presentation is either useless... we don't really care why you don't like it for yourself; we're not judging you if you go back to GB... or worse, demotivational for the developers doing the actual work. If you have something useful to share with the class, do it. This doesn't qualify. And if you don't want to get judged, you'll do much better if you aren't blaming the developers for your dying battery.
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You are so wrong , cause since i go back to GB , i dont have none of the problem i write before....... Thats my opinion if you want to use it i dont care.. i just alerting new users....
If im lying why some developers said that still has no found an answer for the poor wifi or simply look most of the ics and jellybean custom rom post and you will find thousand of users describing what i saying...... I also opened a post describing my problems and no one could answered...
I'm not discouraging developers, I am encouraging them to do a better job.
I thanks to all them for the great job that they made...
I have no problems with you presenting your anecdotal experiences.
I have MAJOR issues with you presenting your impressions of what's happening as truth for new users who don't understand that you're causing your own issues. This is XDA developers, not XDA noobs. If you don't understand why you're causing your own issues, at a certain point there's nothing we can do to help you understand.
I also have issues with you implying that the unpaid developers suck and should just do better work. But hey, I'll try to leave you with your opinions.
Just please... in the future... try to make it VERY clear that you're presenting your opinions, not anything that other people should actually use to make their decisions.
Your experiences? Not in synch with the people who don't install broken programs or who read OPs and the like. Why? Who knows. But people will hopefully make their own decisions based on their phone and how they use it, not based on a "This is why you, the newbie, should avoid JB/ICS" post.
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Wifi isn't officially working on the latest Slim, so not sure what one you tried. I only managed to get wifi working for 4.2.2 last night, so it wasn't that one, and a lot of the JB rom's released are early stages. My point was that JB runs fine on our phone CPU and limited space.
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i tried slim 4.1.2 , was a bad experience......
xtreme you like gingerbread? You should try Froyo. Who knows you might start a movement. Lol
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xtreme you like gingerbread? You should try Froyo. Who knows you might start a movement. Lol
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No i like most Jelly bean, it s a shame my phone is slow with jellybean....
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No i like most Jelly bean, it s a shame my phone is slow with jellybean....
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You're obviously doing something wrong if gingerbread is smoother than jellybean. Come back when you learn how to flash a rom correctly