I wrote this up for people interested in seeing what they could purchase currently out there on the market without being bumped up for an AT&T plan.
This list probably doesn't concern most people on XDA on Tmobile and CDMA carriers, but for those looking for a savings this is where it's at.
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General disclaimer: I'm not responsible if you get bumped up on a smartphone plan.
Please do proper research and googling and make sure you have the right phone before putting your SIM in.
If you get bumped to a smartphone plan, be prepared to contact your AT&T CSR with the IMEI of a dumbphone and ask them to set it for you.
Ask questions here or check with the specific forums before attempting if you're not sure.
What the AT&T dumbphone / medianet/family plan is for:
Some rundown and pricing details in this post: [URL]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26201562#post26201562[/URL]
A data plan used for 'dumbphones' and IMEI of phones not stored in AT&T's IMEI database,
which is not limited to android and smartphones. Technically, any phone capable of retrieving
UMTS/3G/HSPA 850mhz/1900mhz bands is capable of accessing this service.
Whether or not the device is stored in AT&T's database is another question.
This lets you keep using the AT&T service without having to add another contract,
or continue using an existing one without upgrading.
There are 4 options:
- Grandfathered MediaNet users pay $10/month for unlimited data for one line.
- Current Regular single line users pay $15/month for unlimited data for one line.
- Current Family plan users can pay $10/month for 1 line with unlimited data with the bundled with $30 messaging unlimited for all lines.
- Current Family plan users can pay $15/month for a single line for unlimited data only.
This allows end users to:
A) Continue to get an unlimited service for cheaper (although we speculate there is a threshhold before they start watching you)
B) Pay $10-15 less a month
C) Keep your old plan, no subsidized prices for new phones
Generally, any of the following world carriers should release phones that are on their UMTS(3G) 850 and 1900 MHz bands, making it compatible in the USA for 3G: Rogers (Canada), Telus (Canada), Fido (Canada), Bell (Canada), Virgin Mobile (Canada), Sasktel (Canada), movistar (South America), Claro (South America). It's important to know that the phone you get has radios for the UMTS 850 UMTS 1900 bands, since AT&T operates on both frequency sets in the USA.
Most if not all T-mobile model/branded phones (affixed on digitizer) are likely flagged as of 2012.
AT&T have detected the following phones in their system (flagged list):
HTC
HTC Desire HD Released October 2010 - Reported flagged sometime near end of 2013 Q4.
HTC One Released March 2013 - AT&T may send message about adding an LTE plan. HTC One models (link).
Droid DNA USA Verizon Released November 2012 - Reported flagged Q1 2013.
One X International (Tegra) s720e Released May 2012 - Reported flagged Q1 2013.
One S International + USA T-mobile z520m Released April 2012 - Both versions reported flagged Q4 2012.
Amaze 4G USA T-mobile x715m Released October 2011 - the USA T-mobile version reported flagged in Q1 2013. Unknown for international x715m.
Vivid USA / Raider International x710a Released October 2011 - Reports that this is flagged Q3 2013.
Radar USA T-mobile c110e (Windows Phone) Released September 2011 - flagged with T-mobile batch of Q1 2013.
Nexus One Released January 2010 - Few reports of medianet-plan working handsets.
HD2 USA T-mobile t8585 (Windows Phone) Released October 2009 - (No 1900 band). Reported flagged Q1 2013. Unknown for international variant.
Samsung
Galaxy S IV International i9500 (Exynos) Released March 2013 - Reported flagged Q2 2013.
Galaxy S IV USA AT&T/T-mobile/Google (google edition) i9505 (Snapdragon) Released March 2013 - Reported flagged Q2 2013.
Galaxy Note 10.1 Tablet n8000 (Exynos) Released August 2012 - Reported flagged Q1 2013.
Galaxy Tab 7.7 International Tablet p6800 (Exynos) Released September 2011 - Has been flagged with AT&T, tested Q2 2013.
Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus International Tablet p6200 (Exynos) Released September 2011 - Reported flagged with T-mobile batch Q4 2012.
Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus USA T-mobile Tablet sgh-t869 (Exynos) Released November 2011 - Most likely flagged with T-mobile Q4 2012.
Galaxy Tab 7.0 Tablet p3100 (TI OMAP) Released February 2012 - Reported flagged Q4 2012.
Galaxy Note II USA Verizon sch-i605 (Exynos) Released November 2012 - Reported flagged Q3 2013.
Galaxy Note II International n7100 (Exynos) Released August 2012 - Reported flagged late 2012/early 2013.
Galaxy Note II Canada sgh-i317m (Exynos) Released November 2012 - Reported flagged Q4 2012.
Galaxy Note II USA T-mobile t889 (Exynos) Released November 2012 - Reported flagged with T-mobile batch Q4 2012.
Galaxy S III International i9300 (Exynos) Released May 2012 - Mostly flagged Q4 2012.
Galaxy S III Korea shv-e210k (Exynos) Released May 2012 - Flagged Q2 2014.
Galaxy S III Canada sgh-i747m (Snapdragon) Released July 2012 - Reported flagged Q2 2013.
Galaxy S III USA T-mobile t999 (Snapdragon) Released June 2012 - Flagged Q1 2013
Galaxy Note I International n7000 (Exynos) Released September 2011 - Some variants reported flagged 2012.
Galaxy S II International i9100 (Exynos) Released April 2011 - Int'l flagged. White i9100 IMEI is seen as blackberry. Black is now flagged Q2 2013.
Galaxy S II Canada i9100m (Exynos) Released April 2011 - Some reported flagged Q1-Q2 2013. White IMEI will be tagged as blackberry.
Galaxy S II LTE i727r (Snapdragon) Released July 2011 - Reported flagged Q1, Q3 2013.
Galaxy S II USA T-mobile t989 (Snapdragon) Released October 2011 - Mostly flagged, Q1 2013.
Galaxy Nexus International i9250 (TI OMAP) Released November 2011- Flagged Q4 2012.
Galaxy Nexus Canada i9250M (TI OMAP) Released November 2011- Authentic IMEI is and flagged in OLAM Q4 2013.
Galaxy Nexus Docomo Japan SC-04D (TI OMAP) Released November 2011- Authentic IMEI is tested and flagged in OLAM Q3 2013.
Galaxy S Blaze 4G USA T-mobile t769 Released March 2012 - Flagged with T-mobile batch.
Exhibit II 4G USA T-mobile t679 Released October 2011 - T-mobile, some reported flagged in Q4 2012.
Nexus S i9020 Released April 2011- Flagged sometime in 2011.
Vibrant t959 USA T-mobile Released June 2010 - Only gets EDGE, found to be flagged with T-mobile batch.
LG
Optimus 4X HD p880 Released June 2012 - Reported flagged late 2013, Q4.
Optimus L9 USA T-mobile p769 Released November 2012 - Reported no longer working Q3 2013.
Optimus G e971 Released November 2012 - Flagged Q2 2013.
Nexus 4 e960 Global/Google Store/T-mobile Released November 2012 - Flagged Q4 2012.
Optimus 3D p920 Released January 2011 - (No 1900 band). Reported not working Q1 2013.
Optimus T USA T-mobile p509 Released October 2010 - EDGE device. Flagged with t-mobile batch of 2012.
Sony
Xperia Z C6603/C6602 Released February 2013 - Some reported flagged Q2 2013.
Xperia U ST25a Released May 2012 - Some reported flagged Q1 2013.
Xperia S LT26i Released February 2012 - Some reported flagged Q1 2013.
Xperia acro S LT26w Released August 2012 - Some reported flagged Q3 2013.
Xperia P LT22i Released February 2012 - Some reported flagged Q1 2013.
Arc S LT18a Released September 2011 - Seen as palm treo imei.
Motorola
Droid Razr I GSM xt890 - Released October 2012 - Flagged Q2 2014.
Droid Razr M Verizon xt907 - Released September 2012 - Flagged Q2 2014.
Droid Razr HD International/GSM - xt926 Released September 2012 - Reported as Droid 4 in OLAM Q3 2013.
Verizon Droid Razr HD CDMA (GSM unlock) - xt925 Released September 2012 - Likely will be flagged as above
Motorola Defy International - MB525 / a8120 Released November 2010 - was working for years until flagged Q4 2013.
Other
Verizon iPhone 5 - Reported Flagged Q2 2013.
How to check if your device is flagged in AT&T IMEI Database: there are 2 ways, both end up on the same page.
If you just recently got flagged (text message saying smartphone plan) then you need to wait a set amount of time before it will show up in OLAM. Maybe around 1-2 days
1) Go to http://wireless.att.com
2) Log in to your account thru OLAM (On-Line Account Management)
3) Check if your phone shows up with a generic icon or actual photo (see below)
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4a) Method 1 (thanks to lovem): Go to http://www.att.com/devicehowto/
5a) On the top left where it shows your current device, see if you have a generic phone icon. To check your other lines click "Change" and you will see your list of devices.
6a) If your device shows up as "unknown unknown", your IMEI has not been detected by AT&T.
7a) If you're undetected, profit. $$$
4b) Method 2 (thanks to sucss): If you already have a phone/line identified in the database (with photo), click the phone.
5b) Click "View Tutorials for this device"
6b) Click "Change" and look for the phone/line
7b) If you're undetected, profit. $$$
(01/02/2014) - Optimus 4X HD p880, Desire HD A9191
(09/04/2013) - Motorola Defy MB525
(09/04/2013) - Galaxy Nexus Docomo
(09/01/2013) - updated VZW GN2, i727r
(07/20/2013) - Added Raider, Xperia Z
(07/20/2013) - Added xt926, xt925, p769, acro S
(07/08/2013) - Added i9500, i9505
(06/08/2013) - Added i747m
(05/28/2013) - Added P6800
(05/01/2013) - Added OLAM section
(04/08/2013) - LG Optimus G (e971)
(04/05/2013) - added Galaxy Tab 7.0, Plus
(03/05/2013) - added Galaxy Note 10.1
(02/27/2013) - revamped list to non-working phones
(10/31/2012) - added One S, t999, Meizu MX.
(10/14/2012) - updated some flagged Samsungs, added LG p880, Sony Xperia models
(05/28/2012) - Sony Xperia Neo V (thanks shsplaying), LG G2x (thanks sk337sk337)
(05/16/2012) - Added: HTC One X
(03/29/2012) - Added: T-Mobile Amaze 4G, Galaxy Note i717R, T-Mobile Radar
(03/22/2012) - Corrected Desire model 8181>8182 (thanks BodenM)
(03/11/2012) - Added Galaxy S, Droid Pro, Droid 2 Global, LG Thrill
(02/08/2012) - Added Windows Phone section (Post #2 below)
(02/08/2012) - Added 3 SGS II variants
(01/22/2012) - Added general UMTS information, carrier names, instructions for downgrading plan
(01/21/2012) - Added missing codes for HTC Magic & Hero, Amaze 4G, Galaxy Note, Xiaomi M1
(01/14/2012) - Original release
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Phones likely working or tested working with HSPA/3G data bands
If you want to contribute a phone model, post in the thread.
To find phones, you can try gsmarena.com, pdadb.net and other phone database sites.
Some listing of Pentaband phones, find a carrier with their own version of the phone: http://awslookup.com/pentaband-phones/
HTC
Evo 3D NAM/Canada - x515a - Released July 2011
Incredible S NAM/Canada - s710a - Released April 2011
Desire Z NAM/Canada (QWERTY) - a7275 - Released November 2010
Desire NAM/Canada - a8182 - Released February 2010
Samsung
Galaxy Note I LTE Rogers Canada - i717R - Released February 2012 (unknown if still working)
Exhibit II 4G - T-Mobile - t679 - Released October 2011 (some reported it is working, others say flagged)
Galaxy S I Vibrant Canada - i9000m - Released November 2010
LG
Optimus 4G LTE - NAM/Canada - p935 - Released November 2011
Motorola
Photon 4G - US/Sprint - mb855 - Released June 2011 (requires this)
Milestone 3 GSM (QWERTY) - xt860 - Released September 2011
Milestone 2 GSM (QWERTY) - a953 - Released October 2010
Milestone 1 GSM (QWERTY) - a853 - Released November 2009
Other
Blu Studio 5.0 S - Dualcore 1.2GHz, 1GB RAM - Released May 2013
Oppo Find 5 - Quadcore 1.5GHz, 2GB RAM - Released December 2012
Xiaomi MI-2S - Quadcore 1.7GHz, 2GB RAM - Released April 2013
Xiaomi MI-2 - Quadcore 1.5GHz, 2GB RAM - Released November 2012
Xiaomi MI-1S - Dualcore 1.7GHz, 1GB RAM - Released August 2012
Xiaomi MI-1 - Dualcore 1.5GHz, 1GB RAM - Released ? 2011
Meizu MX 4-core - Quadcore 1.5GHz, 1GB RAM - Released August 2012
Meizu MX - Dualcore 1.4GHz, 1GB RAM - Released March 2012
Alcatel One Touch Idol - Dualcore 1.0GHz, 1GB RAM - Released May 2013
Alcatel One Touch Idol Ultra - Dualcore 1.2GHz, 1GB RAM - Released April 2013
Vertu Ti - Dualcore 1.7GHz, 1GB RAM - Released February 2013
Lenovo K900 - Dualcore 2.0GHz, 2GB RAM - Released April 2013
Xolo X1000 - Singlecore 2.0GHz, 1GB RAM - Released March 2013
Xolo X500 - Singlecore 1.2GHz, 512MB RAM - Released January 2013
UNKNOWN
TBD
What about the Galaxy Note? I know that some user's IMEI's got accidentally flagged as tablets, but that was supposedly fixed. I'm wanting to import either a Galaxy Nexus or a Galaxy Note and being able to use the MediaNet plan is a deciding factor.
GreenishApples said:
What about the Galaxy Note? I know that some user's IMEI's got accidentally flagged as tablets, but that was supposedly fixed. I'm wanting to import either a Galaxy Nexus or a Galaxy Note and being able to use the MediaNet plan is a deciding factor.
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See this thread over at the galaxy note section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1325020
Apparently all you need is an existing medianet plan registered to an existing phone/plan, then swap the sim over to your galaxy note and it should work over medianet.
If you are not on AT&T then you'll have to activate with a "dumbphone" (Moto Razr, etc) and have them register that IMEI to the account, then drop the SIM in there.
It seems suggested to stick with an International edition of the Galaxy note with 3G on 850/1900 bands (Like Telus or Bell, Rogers if they have it) that way if AT&T ever decides to flag US Notes, you should be fine with an international one.
Very useful post for those trying to take advantage of the "dumbphone" MediaNet plan. I've been looking a while for a list like this and I'm glad I spotted the link in your sig while looking at the Incredible S ICS Rom thread lol Thumbs up and thank you for the list really appreciate it!
Oh btw you might want to add the HTC HD2 T9193 from Australia.
HTC HD2 - T9193
1GHz Snapdragon Processor
Note: Originally from Australia's Telstra network. The all famous HTC HD2 capable of running Windows Mobile 6.5, Windows Mobile 7, Android, Ubuntu, and MeeGo.
Thanks for the add! I'm unfamiliar with WP devices and I do plan on adding them in here, I've seen the HD7 and HD2 before and thought if it would ever work on AT&T medianet.
I looked up the Telstra network, it seems they carry the UMTS 850/2100 bands in Australia. Technically that should work in theory in the USA, but only in 850 regions. Very interesting. Also, do you know if the HD2 support the UMTS 1900mhz band?
This might be a little important since if I understand correctly, the 1900 band is the standard while the 850 is still trying to be rolled out in smaller areas of America.
That could be equivalent along the lines to someone in metro California can get 3G/H+, but the another person in Pennsylvania would only get EDGE on it, it could be totally dependent on where you live.
As far as my knowledge goes I'm on the same track as you, it seems it depends more upon your location even in my area(California) we don't get much of a 1900 band but more of a 850 band. Seems like the 1900 bands haven't caught up quite yet.
Oh and I know this from personal experience as well as pure knowledge. I've been playing with my HTC HD2 T9193 for a couple years now and it's purely the best phone I've ever had! <3 Until... the USB Socket popped off the board itself and I'm not longer able to charge it with the traditional USB port but rather have to go by charging with an external battery charger. lol FAIL
Added WP devices in second post.
Thanks for this list of phones Kaijura!
I've been looking for some replacement phones for my family. We currently have the Samsung Mythic with the MediaNet plan on all the phones. It has been a painful phone to use over the past 2 years and we're all looking to replace them.
Are there any particular Phones on the list that are recommended, such as the HTC Amaze 4G or Samsung Nexus?
If they work with the MediaNet plan, this would be the preferred method to avoid purchasing terribly locked down AT&T phones
Fuzzums said:
Thanks for this list of phones Kaijura!
I've been looking for some replacement phones for my family. We currently have the Samsung Mythic with the MediaNet plan on all the phones. It has been a painful phone to use over the past 2 years and we're all looking to replace them.
Are there any particular Phones on the list that are recommended, such as the HTC Amaze 4G or Samsung Nexus?
If they work with the MediaNet plan, this would be the preferred method to avoid purchasing terribly locked down AT&T phones
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The limits are going to be your budget.
Seems as of this posting time, the best your money can get you are the Canadian Amaze 4G (x715m), the Canadian GSM Galaxy Nexus, or a GSM Samsung Galaxy Note. The should all work fine.
I'm still not sure if the T-mobile Amaze 4G works with a dumbphone plan, the 3G frequencies are supported, but the device was made to support AT&T radios in mind. Does that mean AT&T will eventually add these to their database to catch the money loopholes? This is only an answer their marketing/economics division can answer.
AT&T had the IMEI's of GSM Nexus S and Nexus Ones when they were released for the Canadian carriers, so most of those users got bumped to a smartphone plan. Part of it was I think because it is google endorsed, those IMEI sequences were not exclusive to the respective carriers.
I suppose it mainly depends on which flavor of SoC you want to try. Samsung for the Exynos, or the same old Snapdragon line. Personally, I'd wait to see what MWC this month comes out with. Those phones won't be released till some months later down the line, but at least you'll know what's new in 2012 for now instead of paying premium for the current lineup.
kaijura said:
The limits are going to be your budget.
Seems as of this posting time, the best your money can get you are the Canadian Amaze 4G (x715m), the Canadian GSM Galaxy Nexus, or a GSM Samsung Galaxy Note. The should all work fine.
I'm still not sure if the T-mobile Amaze 4G works with a dumbphone plan, the 3G frequencies are supported, but the device was made to support AT&T radios in mind. Does that mean AT&T will eventually add these to their database to catch the money loopholes? This is only an answer their marketing/economics division can answer.
AT&T had the IMEI's of GSM Nexus S and Nexus Ones when they were released for the Canadian carriers, so most of those users got bumped to a smartphone plan. Part of it was I think because it is google endorsed, those IMEI sequences were not exclusive to the respective carriers.
I suppose it mainly depends on which flavor of SoC you want to try. Samsung for the Exynos, or the same old Snapdragon line. Personally, I'd wait to see what MWC this month comes out with. Those phones won't be released till some months later down the line, but at least you'll know what's new in 2012 for now instead of paying premium for the current lineup.
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The goal is to find a phone that isn't too costly (Max $600, preferably less than 500) that will work with AT&T 3G. None of us need 4G LTE as that just means we'll reach the bandwidth cap higher and tip off AT&T. A bonus would be if the phone worked with T-Mobile 3G as well since we might switch to them to get cheaper plans if this fails.
We've been dying to get smartphones, but none of us want to pay an additional $20 per line (4 lines total) which would equate to 480+tax per line (4 lines total $1920+Tax) over 2 years plus the cost of a new phone locked down with AT&T bloatware and features. We also want to avoid the possibility of data overages because $10 per gig overage is ridiculous. So using unlocked phones is our best way to avoid all the above.
However, I think I'll take your advice and try to wait a bit longer to see what comes out in the upcoming months. Once the new phones come pouring out, the current ones will get cheaper, or at least I hope
Thanks again for this thread, it's been very helpful and informative!
Something i think should be kept in mind is that i think getting the medianet plan on AT&T will limit you to at best "3g" speeds. What do I mean?? well, when i went from a Sony X10 to the LG thrill that I picked up cheap locally, the LG didn't work data wise, even though i had the $25 data plan already. When I called AT&T, the rep told me it did not work because they had to sign me to the "4G" plan, same price, $25, but he said that he just had to subscribe me to the "4G" plan, and viola!! it worked after a reboot. Now i know that the HSPA+ 4G is not all its cracked up to be, especially here where I live, New York City. And in actuality, i did not see any inprovement in speed compared to my Sony X10, which has the same HSPA spec as the Xperia Play, 7.2 mbps, but AT&T never adertized the Sony Xperia X10 as a "4G" phone, even though it can theoretically reach "4G" speeds. With the speedtest app from the market from Ookla, on my Xperia X10, i would on a good day get around 2-3Mbps. Doing the same test on a downtown heavily populated area where i know there are many thousands iphone loser users lurking around soaking up bandwidth on their crummy iOS's, i would get 1-1.5Mbps. I am seeing the exact same results on my "4G" capable LG Thrill.
Just though it would be interesting to bring this point out and invite other users to try out the same and see if they get actual different results upon changing their plan so we AT&T users can make a more informed decision
I also would like to ask where would be a good source where we can get these phones? Ebay isn't much of a great choice as they will not show you international auctions unless they say they ship worldwide, anybody know of any other sites we can check? (craigslist does not count oufcourse)
kaijura said:
The limits are going to be your budget.
Seems as of this posting time, the best your money can get you are the Canadian Amaze 4G (x715m), the Canadian GSM Galaxy Nexus, or a GSM Samsung Galaxy Note. The should all work fine.
I'm still not sure if the T-mobile Amaze 4G works with a dumbphone plan, the 3G frequencies are supported, but the device was made to support AT&T radios in mind. Does that mean AT&T will eventually add these to their database to catch the money loopholes? This is only an answer their marketing/economics division can answer.
AT&T had the IMEI's of GSM Nexus S and Nexus Ones when they were released for the Canadian carriers, so most of those users got bumped to a smartphone plan. Part of it was I think because it is google endorsed, those IMEI sequences were not exclusive to the respective carriers.
I suppose it mainly depends on which flavor of SoC you want to try. Samsung for the Exynos, or the same old Snapdragon line. Personally, I'd wait to see what MWC this month comes out with. Those phones won't be released till some months later down the line, but at least you'll know what's new in 2012 for now instead of paying premium for the current lineup.
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Hi all, I'm trying to install this ROM, vegacomb_hc3.2 build9n pov tegra 3g wifi internal gos I have a question, works internal 3g?
thanks.
kevace1 said:
Something i think should be kept in mind is that i think getting the medianet plan on AT&T will limit you to at best "3g" speeds. What do I mean?? well, when i went from a Sony X10 to the LG thrill that I picked up cheap locally, the LG didn't work data wise, even though i had the $25 data plan already. When I called AT&T, the rep told me it did not work because they had to sign me to the "4G" plan, same price, $25, but he said that he just had to subscribe me to the "4G" plan, and viola!! it worked after a reboot. Now i know that the HSPA+ 4G is not all its cracked up to be, especially here where I live, New York City. And in actuality, i did not see any inprovement in speed compared to my Sony X10, which has the same HSPA spec as the Xperia Play, 7.2 mbps, but AT&T never adertized the Sony Xperia X10 as a "4G" phone, even though it can theoretically reach "4G" speeds. With the speedtest app from the market from Ookla, on my Xperia X10, i would on a good day get around 2-3Mbps. Doing the same test on a downtown heavily populated area where i know there are many thousands iphone loser users lurking around soaking up bandwidth on their crummy iOS's, i would get 1-1.5Mbps. I am seeing the exact same results on my "4G" capable LG Thrill.
Just though it would be interesting to bring this point out and invite other users to try out the same and see if they get actual different results upon changing their plan so we AT&T users can make a more informed decision
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I think over the issue may have been a bad/old/inactivated SIM card, or you forgot to put APN settings, or it may have to do with the radio towers in your area. Some kind of temporary issue that shouldn't apply to most people. The main thing to keep in mind about all that is AT&T has literally no control over the 3G broadcast, whatever device puts in their 3G SIM, will pick up the signal if it can. They can't exclude devices from the broadcast unless the SIM is inactive.
I prefer to call UMTS 3G, HSPA+ 3.5G, and LTE 4G, but this is just a personal name preference.
In regards to HSPA+, yeah, it varies by your location and with the traffic it is currently handling with the people connected in your area. In a metro, diverse and compressed location like NYC, it's bound to have traffic. It can reach LTE-like speeds, but only if you have little traffic. I've found that I get the best speedtest results in the wee hours of the morning from where I am from, as far as 823kb/sec (6.43Mbps).
kevace1 said:
I also would like to ask where would be a good source where we can get these phones? Ebay isn't much of a great choice as they will not show you international auctions unless they say they ship worldwide, anybody know of any other sites we can check? (craigslist does not count oufcourse)
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Other than eBay, other options include negri electronics, expansys, and forums like here and Howardforums (be aware of trading scammers).
Togge850 said:
Hi all, I'm trying to install this ROM, vegacomb_hc3.2 build9n pov tegra 3g wifi internal gos I have a question, works internal 3g?
thanks.
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Is this a tablet? Advent Vega?
Looking it up, I think it doesn't have native 3G support, you may be installing a rom that adds support for 3G usb dongles. I don't know much about that and it's not related to this topic.
Anybody know if LG Optimus 3D works on media.net plan?
I am thinking about getting P920 or P925G. Probably P925G since it's from Canadian Rogers Wireless, and supports both 850mhz and 1900mhz.....and cheaper than P920, the international version.
Does anybody know LG Optimus 3D - P925G (Canadian version of LG Thrill) works on media.net data plan?
Thx in advance.
shsplaying said:
I am thinking about getting P920 or P925G. Probably P925G since it's from Canadian Rogers Wireless, and supports both 850mhz and 1900mhz.....and cheaper than P920, the international version.
Does anybody know LG Optimus 3D - P925G (Canadian version of LG Thrill) works on media.net data plan?
Thx in advance.
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I am 9/10 confident the Rogers Optimus 3D p925g will run on AT&T 3G, but I don't know for sure if it will get detected as a smartphone. I wish I had the answer but this is a less popular phone so it is hard to find the answer on the web.
There are a few on the NO list randomly do for no reason, like the white samsung galaxy note IMEI is detected as a Blackberry for AT&T.
According to this ebay auction for the 920: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mint-Conditi...Hz-4G-HSPA-Unlocked-World-Phone-/220875387241
the guy says he has been using the p920 with medianet:
Up for sale is a Mint Condition LG Optimus 3D P920. This phone supports the 850mHz band and is able to support 4G HSPA+ on AT&T's network! This phone is simply amazing. It was a gorgeous 4.3 inch screen, running Android 2.2.2 and also brings dual 5 MP camera's for 3D images! This is a 3D phone and in my opinion, this phone in 3D quality wise, is better than the EVO 3D. Phone comes built in 6GB of memory and can be further expanded with the SD card slot. Phone is in mint condition, with no scratches (except a light scratch on the screen but hardly noticable) on the body.
I am selling this phone because although it's very nice, it's too big for me. I bought this phone brand new unlocked for $589.00. Also, if you have AT&T, you can get this phone under the MediaNet plan which is unlimited data for $10 or $15 depending on your plan because the phone isn't registered on the network. This is a huge save, even when looking at the Thrill 4G on AT&T. Same phone except this one you pay less for unlimited data. This is a great save! There's nothing wrong with the phone, however, when I bought the phone, the phone came with a serial number and a "NOT FOR SALE" sign at the bottom.
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Droid 2 global & Droid Pro work on ATT's media net as well, with the TBH band Unlock.
I hear they are working on a similar band unlock so that the Photon and Electrify work in the same way.
I might get a Rogers Xperia Arc, so i'll come back and post results if I end up buying one.
What about the desire s? Has the correct bands
phonephoenix said:
Droid 2 global & Droid Pro work on ATT's media net as well, with the TBH band Unlock.
I hear they are working on a similar band unlock so that the Photon and Electrify work in the same way.
I might get a Rogers Xperia Arc, so i'll come back and post results if I end up buying one.
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Thanks, update me on the Rogers Xperia. I'll update the thread when I see it.
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What about the desire s? Has the correct bands
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It is missing one necessary band to be fully compatible, ATT uses the 850/1900mhz band.
The Desire S was released only for the euro market in mind. 900/1900/2100/AWS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Desire_S
So what this means is that you might get 3G/HSPA in some areas, but in other areas it'll be EDGE only, depending on what is the major broadcast signal in your area.
Sort of a reverse HTC HD2 situation here. That phone works with the 850 areas, but not the 1900's.
Hey Guys,
What would you recommend as the best model of the Note 20 Ultra to get? I have access to purchase the US unlocked, the International unlocked or the Korean Unlocked variant. I was concerned about using SamsungPay, yet I think I will let that ship sail. I am more concerned about overall performance and value. I will not be rooting. I use to for years on here, yet have not done so for the last 4 Note models. Just can't decided which would be the best one to purchase. Yet I need to get my pre-order in soon. I currently live in Japan. What are you thoughts?
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Hey Guys,
What would you recommend as the best model of the Note 20 Ultra to get? I have access to purchase the US unlocked, the International unlocked or the Korean Unlocked variant. I was concerned about using SamsungPay, yet I think I will let that ship sail. I am more concerned about overall performance and value. I will not be rooting. I use to for years on here, yet have not done so for the last 4 Note models. Just can't decided which would be the best one to purchase. Yet I need to get my pre-order in soon. I currently live in Japan. What are you thoughts?
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my recommendation would be to get the version which has all the required bands to work well in Japan.
That said i would not get the international one though because it has the crappy exynos 990 in it.
both US and Korean variants have the snapdragon 865+. i known rooting doesnt matter but just for information the US and Canadian models cannot be rooted due to the locked bootloader
force70 said:
my recommendation would be to get the version which has all the required bands to work well in Japan.
That said i would not get the international one though because it has the crappy exynos 990 in it.
both US and Korean variants have the snapdragon 865+. i known rooting doesnt matter but just for information the US and Canadian models cannot be rooted due to the locked bootloader
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Thanks for your reply. Both the Korean and the US variant would work the same for LTE here... I'm going with the Korean version as it has twice the storage for the same price.... If for some crazy reason I do root it later, it looks like it would be doable with the Korean model in flashing a generic worldwide wide rom(?).. It seems there was pretty healthy development on the snapdragon Korean version of the note 10 plus...I don't think that I will ever push it has enough to fully use the chipset, yet it's a good piece of mind to have when spending so much money, that you got the best performance you can buy.... because any variant isn't 100% completely compatible with all the LTE bands in Japan, I would feel better getting the chipset that has the best energy efficiency as well... I'll be going with mystic white as it give me the greatest flexibility in swapping skins and cases, plus the grey framed camera bump looks better in my opinion
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my recommendation would be to get the version which has all the required bands to work well in Japan.
That said i would not get the international one though because it has the crappy exynos 990 in it.
both US and Korean variants have the snapdragon 865+. i known rooting doesnt matter but just for information the US and Canadian models cannot be rooted due to the locked bootloader
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I am stuck in this too, live in Canada
I need Dual SIM ( not avail for North American version )
I need rooting
I checked but the HK bands dont work for my carriers 5G
So - should I buy a Note 20 Ultra with Exynos? where I am not getting its worth OR go for a Note 10 + instead International but with Exynos for $1200 CAD
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I am stuck in this too, live in Canada
I need Dual SIM ( not avail for North American version )
I need rooting
I checked but the HK bands dont work for my carriers 5G
So - should I buy a Note 20 Ultra with Exynos? where I am not getting its worth OR go for a Note 10 + instead International but with Exynos for $1200 CAD
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I definitely wouldnt buy exynos this year..the 990 is total crap.
last year the snapdragon was still better but I don't think the performance margin was a big.
what carrier you with?
inningsdefeat500 said:
I am stuck in this too, live in Canada
I need Dual SIM ( not avail for North American version )
I need rooting
I checked but the HK bands dont work for my carriers 5G
So - should I buy a Note 20 Ultra with Exynos? where I am not getting its worth OR go for a Note 10 + instead International but with Exynos for $1200 CAD
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For me 5G is nice, yet not super important due to the fact Japan just turned on 5G for commercial use 2 months ago and still have yet to flesh it out properly. NTT Docomo, the largest of the 3 carriers, expects only 2.5 million subscribers by March 2021... In short I'm saying how much access will you have to 5G in your area?... Is it top priority if you are getting great speeds on LTE already?
I went with the HK version over the Korean version for the dual sim capability....
As far as rooting I think both the HK and Korean versions were enjoying some success on the Note 10+ forums... You might want to check how things went with rooting development on those models , with expectations for probably the same level of support
Hello,
I would like to know the following:
1. Based on the Samsung's Unpacked - Part 2 event, there was a slide / presentation that revealed a 512 GB storage option - so, which market / model would have this?
See attached image.
2. Presuming following the Note 20 Ultra 5G., HK version - which is based on the snapdragon variant, unlock-able bootloader, which means rootable, correct?
3. What the various model numbers for various regions?
3. Will the Thom Browne Edition come in 512 GB?
Thanks.
Very good questions. I saw an ad on ebay that was selling (pre-order) a 512GB so now I'm curious to know what the story is
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Ga...432164&hash=item3b4cbda32d:g:CR8AAOSwK1dfOjtl
Swarai said:
Very good questions. I saw an ad on ebay that was selling (pre-order) a 512GB so now I'm curious to know what the story is
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Ga...432164&hash=item3b4cbda32d:g:CR8AAOSwK1dfOjtl
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China only I believe I read?
Got some answers ...
karthigan said:
Hello,
I would like to know the following:
1. Based on the Samsung's Unpacked - Part 2 event, there was a slide / presentation that revealed a 512 GB storage option - so, which market / model would have this?
See attached image.
2. Presuming following the Note 20 Ultra 5G., HK version - which is based on the snapdragon variant, unlock-able bootloader, which means rootable, correct?
3. What the various model numbers for various regions?
3. Will the Thom Browne Edition come in 512 GB?
Thanks.
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So, I have an update from Samsung Canada - Chat online (the lpcdn.lpsnmedia.net website for the chat session - since it appears the original chat session never gets connected to an "actual" agent), if you need the direct chat link URL, let me know.
1. 512GB variant is only available in selective markets - according to the internal documents - 512GB is stated as *TBD* - but the chat agent thinks it will likely be the South Korea Variant, and HK Variant only. But also it could be released much later than the original launch date.
3. Thom Browne Edition WILL NOT come in 512 GB, it is only 256 GB.
Also, since you CAN NOT pre-order the Thom Browne Edition on Samsung's Canada's Website - it is again, *TBD* - out of the limited quantities available - Samsung Inventory Management Department (I was quoted to SIMD by the agent) - every region will have a certain quantity for order, and once done, there is no way to order it, unless third party web sites (wondamobile, pda plaza, swiftronics, etc.) carries then.
Not sure if I should take these answers with "grains of salt" or if this agent was actually knowledgeable. The agent's name was Paula.
So, we'll see.
Hitman3984 said:
China only I believe I read?
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Yeah, China, Taiwan, and Korea
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Yeah, China, Taiwan, and Korea
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Guess they figured those of us in North America and Europe werent good enough for the 512gb version.
Samsung is doing quite a bit to annoy customers this year. I am one of them, long time samsung customer and they are doing a fabulous job of alienating its loyal customer base so far in 2020 especially lately
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Guess they figured those of us in North America and Europe werent good enough for the 512gb version.
Samsung is doing quite a bit to annoy customers this year. I am one of them, long time samsung customer and they are doing a fabulous job of alienating its loyal customer base so far in 2020 especially lately
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Isn't this due to different habits in each market? EU/US are very cloud heavy, with a lot of streaming for video & music...so most of the storage space will be for apps and photos.
For most users, i'd wager over 90% but don't have stats to back that up, 256gb is more than enough - overkill in fact.
In Korea/China/HK things are different and local storage is really important, so you see a lot of manufacturers offering expandable or larger storage in those markets.
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Isn't this due to different habits in each market? EU/US are very cloud heavy, with a lot of streaming for video & music...so most of the storage space will be for apps and photos.
For most users, i'd wager over 90% but don't have stats to back that up, 256gb is more than enough - overkill in fact.
In Korea/China/HK things are different and local storage is really important, so you see a lot of manufacturers offering expandable or larger storage in those markets.
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who knows why, either way it's very frustrating similar to how having the note 20 ultra 512gb version available only in black.
its idiotic and just irritates some customers, people want choices that's nothing new.
512 vs 256
Spud1 said:
Isn't this due to different habits in each market? EU/US are very cloud heavy, with a lot of streaming for video & music...so most of the storage space will be for apps and photos.
For most users, i'd wager over 90% but don't have stats to back that up, 256gb is more than enough - overkill in fact.
In Korea/China/HK things are different and local storage is really important, so you see a lot of manufacturers offering expandable or larger storage in those markets.
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I'd have to respectfully disagree with this, as I've lived in China for 20 years, literally about half my life. Basically, all China runs on the cloud. You'll find very very few, except for maybe the old generations (50+) not streaming everything from music to games to movies and tv from online streaming services. The only local storage used is to install games and apps, and to hold tens of thousands of pictures they love taking of every little thing. You won't find them storing videos or music or anything on their phones though. So this particular line of reasoning, at least for China, I feel doesn't hold water. But that's JMHO.
Regardless of who lives where and such, it should come with at least what the previous version did and/or allow expandable storage. We all keep getting less yet the price becomes higher. Charger is next to go. They tried as best they could to get it as close to the original price as possible, but there are sacrifices because of it obviously.
Word of caution. We're back to the old days where different variants have different cellular bands. My Tab S7+ 5G from Spain supports a handful of EU 5G bands but the only U.S. band it supports is AT&T's 850MHz. It's SD 865+ just like the Z Fold 2 so I'd imagine all Samsung's 5G phones are going to have support for bands by region. If you're happy with LTE then it doesn't matter. If you like to flip your phones I think a non-5G capable version of a $2,000 phone would be a hard sell here in the U.S. so that's something to consider too.
Old days?? Been like that for as long as I can remember.
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Old days?? Been like that for as long as I can remember.
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Multi band LTE radios made it much less of an issue.
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Multi band LTE radios made it much less of an issue.
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Samsung has made multi-models for as long as I can remember. Unless you specifically purchase the US/Canada model, there was always at least 2+ bands missing on LTE from the other variants. Those devices would work in most areas, but not in all of the outskirts.
Even the S20 USA and Canada versions differ, both LTE and 5G bands are different. This on a very recent device.
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Samsung has made multi-models for as long as I can remember. Unless you specifically purchase the US/Canada model, there was always at least 2+ bands missing on LTE from the other variants. Those devices would work in most areas, but not in all of the outskirts.
Even the S20 USA and Canada versions differ, both LTE and 5G bands are different. This on a very recent device.
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Which LTE bands do you consider missing? The point I was making is that multi-band LTE support has greatly evolved whereas 5G is going to be hit or miss for a while. Someone with a current generation device can pretty much count on accessing LTE worldwide no matter what the phone's country of origin. For 5G? Not so much and not for a long time.
Looks like wonda mobile got their pre-order page up: https://www.wondamobile.com/samsung-galaxy-fold-2-5g-dual-512-gb-f907n-sim-free-and-unlocked.html
The link mentions F907N variant, but on the page it is F9160.
It costs: $2,221.40 USD (approx. $2,926.21 CAD)
It is the 12 GB RAM, 512 GB storage.
However, surprised to see it as a single SIM, not even an SD slot and/or 2nd sim, is that new for a HK model?
I have asked this question in the Note 20 Ultra thread, but I'll ask again here (as no answers were posted), now that all Galaxy Z Fold 2 is using Snapdragon chipset:
1. Since it is based on the Qualcomm SM8250 Snapdragon 865+, is there a way to change the LTE & 5G bands on the SM-F9160?
2. Is it hard-coded into the firmware of the 5G modem that is incorporated with the Snapdragon 865+, which makes the change impossible?
3. Since I am with Rogers provider - is it possible to change the CSC on SM-F9160 to match that of Rogers?
Dont think your going to get any answers for the next little while. It is still in pre-order state and not readily available. However, I have not seen or heard of any that will have dual SIM and definitely no SD card slot for storage expansion.
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Looks like wonda mobile got their pre-order page up: https://www.wondamobile.com/samsung-galaxy-fold-2-5g-dual-512-gb-f907n-sim-free-and-unlocked.html
The link mentions F907N variant, but on the page it is F9160.
It costs: $2,221.40 USD (approx. $2,926.21 CAD)
It is the 12 GB RAM, 512 GB storage.
However, surprised to see it as a single SIM, not even an SD slot and/or 2nd sim, is that new for a HK model?
I have asked this question in the Note 20 Ultra thread, but I'll ask again here (as no answers were posted), now that all Galaxy Z Fold 2 is using Snapdragon chipset:
1. Since it is based on the Qualcomm SM8250 Snapdragon 865+, is there a way to change the LTE & 5G bands on the SM-F9160?
2. Is it hard-coded into the firmware of the 5G modem that is incorporated with the Snapdragon 865+, which makes the change impossible?
3. Since I am with Rogers provider - is it possible to change the CSC on SM-F9160 to match that of Rogers?
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I could live without the SD card slot if it came with 512gb. But that's the minimum for me. 256gb won't cut it for me so I'm hoping this phone would work out for me in the US. But I don't want to give up 5g or all the bands I need for LTE on tmobile in the US.
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I could live without the SD card slot if it came with 512gb. But that's the minimum for me. 256gb won't cut it for me so I'm hoping this phone would work out for me in the US. But I don't want to give up 5g or all the bands I need for LTE on tmobile in the US.
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Same, I still cant believe samsung was stupid enough to give this top-tier phone only 256gb of storage in most parts of the world. They seem to favour the asian countries since they got 512gb.Note 20 ultra got 512gb in black only here i canada and most other places yet again some (not all) asian countries got other colours in 512gb.
This is a trend starting here and not a good look for samsung or any company showing bias like this.
I've imported tons of phones, but I will not do that with this one due to its more fragile nature and knowing samsung canada will not touch a non Canadian device for warranty.
Hard enough to get them to touch a CDN device with warranty!