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This is not my work, only my findings, credits goto androidworld.nl
ORIGINAL POSTING, TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN< POORLY AT BEST>
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Proceed as follows:
1. Turn your HTC Sensation ON continuously, and then loads 8 HOURS .
2. Get eight hours after the HTC Sensation of the drawer and then turn the power off . Now load another 1 hour .
3. Get the Sensation back of the drawer and turn it ON . Now wait a few minutes and then turn it back off . Finally, you still charge a 1 HOURS .
And voila, you now have the battery of the HTC Sensation longer trained to perform. You should make a clear difference and now you can even double as a battery to perform this method. You should start when the battery is already low on the Sensation and before sleeping. So you do not the daytime Sensation 8 hours long to miss.
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In Layman's terms curtesy of ldelossa.ld aka, not badly converted german.
"Its saying to manually set your batter stats, and yes it does work.
Charge to 100% take off the charger and power it down, when you boot back up you'll be anywhere from 80-95%, charge back up to 100% and then take off the charger, repeat this pattern till you can take your charger charger off (after a power down of course) and the battery readout on the phone stays at 100% for more then ten minutes, at this point just use the phone till it does completely, once it dies plug it in and charge it up to 100%."
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Also, please do the research about the bump charging, the forum i found this at, had NO mentioning of that, but I am glad people here knew about it before people started using it.
It does work, you will get better and longer battery life, but you will need to replace your battery sooner.
It is not as if you will need to replace it in a month, so weigh the pro's and con's, this still may be a very viable solution
Thank you XDA members for the input, I tried to update the OP to have the information needed to make the correct decision.
For more information on Bump Charging, Please Read
Quote from website above - ""To also help with Battery Life you can do these steps exactly: 1) Turn your device ON and Charge the device for 8 hours or more 2) Unplug the device and Turn the phone OFF and charge for 1 hour 3) Unplug the device Turn ON wait 2 minutes and Turn OFF and charge for another hour Your battery life should almost double, we have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well." - HTC Support's advice to an XDA Developer forum member.
This will reportedly increase your battery life two fold however in my test with the HTC Thunderbolt, I saw 14 hours usage which still isn't bad compared to the 9 hours I was previously obtaining"
An Article refereed to as the "truth about bump charging" that loops right back here to XDA A big thanks to byrong of XDA for his amazing thread.
*From my reading, the newer phones, like Sensation Evo3d, can handle the bump charge better then older, like the droid, etc....* (take that with a grain of salt......)
In my personal opinion, i think it is worth doing. The more i read about it, the more it seems like a good idea. I use my phone alot, and to get a full day with heavy usage is very important to me without plugging in on the ride home from work, etc.
can't make sense of it.
Indeed these instructions don't make much sense
after the phone is fullly charged,i delete /data/.battery-calibrated and then reboot
Its saying to manually set your batter stats, and yes it does work.
Charge to 100% take off the charger and power it down, when you boot back up you'll be anywhere from 80-95%, charge back up to 100% and then take off the charger, repeat this pattern till you can take your charger charger off (after a power down of course) and the battery readout on the phone stays at 100% for more then ten minutes, at this point just use the phone till it does completely, once it dies plug it in and charge it up to 100%.
It's called "bump charging". It's well documented to shorten battery life. Google it and make your own decision regarding using it.
Yeah bump charging will kill your battery
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Yeah, the sensation has pretty good bump charge protection. I wouldn't recommend it, you'll get longer life for a while then it will ruin your battery.
definitely bump charging....do it at your own risk!
Thank you to all that have replied so far, i updated the OP so users can make a more informed decision.
I think i will try it on 1 of my sensations to see the difference. If i get 30%+ more life, as some of the people in the other forum claim, and i have to replace the battery in a year, I personally think that is a good choice.
All of this is upto you..
Remember, its your phone, what you do to it, is your choice, what happens to it based on those choices, is YOUR FAULT, good or bad. Dont try and play the blame game, good or bad.
The original post that i think that the OP is trying to explain was
1) Turn your device ON and Charge the device for 8 hours or more
2) Unplug the device and Turn the phone OFF and charge for 1 hour
3) Unplug the device Turn ON wait 2 minutes and Turn OFF and charge for another hour
Your battery life should almost double, we have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well.
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It was a suggestion from HTC for a couple of their phones a while ago
sromer said:
The original post that i think that the OP is trying to explain was
It was a suggestion from HTC for a couple of their phones a while ago
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood it was a "suggestion" from some of the people in HTC tech support. I've contacted HTC tech support several times asking questions about the Sensation. Simple stuff they should know. "Does it use noise cancellation?" "Does it have Gorilla Glass?" "What are the holes on the back for?". I've been majorly disappointed. All I've ever gotten is "we don't know", "we did a internet search and this is what we found", "we tried one of our phones and you're right it does record in stereo.", etc. Never have they contacted real HTC techs and found the answer to my question. So, even if someone in HTC support said they tried this and it seemed to work that's not, in my view, an official endorsement from HTC.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood it was a "suggestion" from some of the people in HTC tech support. I've contacted HTC tech support several times asking questions about the Sensation. Simple stuff they should know. "Does it use noise cancellation?" "Does it have Gorilla Glass?" "What are the holes on the back for?". I've been majorly disappointed. All I've ever gotten is "we don't know", "we did a internet search and this is what we found", "we tried one of our phones and you're right it does record in stereo.", etc. Never have they contacted real HTC techs and found the answer to my question. So, even if someone in HTC support said they tried this and it seemed to work that's not, in my view, an official endorsement from HTC.
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i found the original post, it says it is a "official response" & it was originally for the Evo 4G.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
sromer said:
i found the original post, it says it is a "official response" & it was originally for the Evo 4G.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
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I've done some Google searching and am still sticking to my belief that the original posted email was at best from HTC support, and not HTC engineering. As I mentioned I've received long emails from HTC support as well. I won't go into all the ugly details, but trust me they aren't tech smart. Battery bump charging, which is precisely what's described here, is widely known to provide temporary increases in storage capacity, but at a cost in battery life. But you can get batteries for as little as $10, so if you want to bump charge every day or two, have at it. Just be aware it could shorten the life of the battery and speed up the inevitable gradual loss of capacity.
Hi!
Long ago, I owned a Benq E72 that my wife washed out. I tried to dry it up and it worked for a while. Then it died...but I never threw it out I just had the feeling that it was the battery.
You see,the phone or accesories are not sold where I live nor I have a way to purchase online, so I tried to hack every single battery that laid on my hands.
Last night I got a generic mp4 battery to power up the phone, but it turns out I cannot charge it .
If the "SERVICE" pin on the battery is not making contact, I get an "invalid battery" message after about 30 sec of charge and it stops. Otherwise the error reads "battery temperature too low,aborting"
As you can imagine I can not spend anytime checking the unit so I am asking you if you know how can I either force the unit to ignore the battery status or fake whatever temp the unit needs on the battery.
Thanks in advance!
If you still have the old battery, try to get that charged with a charger that is not caring about the temperature sensor (simple universal 2-pin LiIon charger). It may just be that the E72 is too sensible.
If that does not work, then cut it apart and replace the circuitry of the original one with that of a replacement battery. Chemically there is hardly a difference and only the protection unit and access to the temperature sensor is different for each battery. More advanced (or bigger) batteries may even have digital circuits built in to identify the battery (like in a laptop), but for mobile phones I guess that things are quite simple.
Be warned: Messing with circuit protection may get the battery on fire or explode, so only do that if you know how to supervise the first full charge.
Hi tobbie! Thank you so much for the reply.
I still have the original battery but I am not sure if it will hold a charge.
When the phone got washed, I spent an hour tearing the unit apart and drying it up but forgot about the battery. Then I realized my mistake.
I dried it up and it worked for a couple of hours. Then the phone started to go off on its own.
It got to the point where if you hit the power button, the SMS and power LEDS start blinking non stop, like it tries to go on but can't.
I will do some more research on your tips, they are quite helpful!
Thanks again
You should really be sure that no whatsoever residues are left in phone after the washing (and drying) process. I would take apart the phone completely and clean all parts of it from e.g. left over detergent.
It is much more probable that the phone has a damage than the battery. Circuitry in the battery is quite robust compared to the complex electronic in the mobile phone.
My battery died almost a year ago, since that I'm using something practical but not very appropriate
I used a Samsung AB553446BU (3.7v 1000mAh battery) and a pair of thin wires. Following the polarity of the pins on the phone, I put the Samsung battery and secured it with a piece of paper. As I said before, it's not appropriate but it really does its job!. If you can not solve your problem, try to do something similar if you get a battery that is compatible with the BenQ E72, the battery I'm using has given me no problems I can even charge it from the phone without having to use a universal charger. I'm not having "Invalid battery" messages or "High/Low temperature" warnings.
But as tobbbie said, "It's much more probable that the phone has a damage than the battery".
Oh wow! tobbie AND nickleby helping me in the same thread, what an honor!
I did exactly what you did nickleby! But mine is not that fancy, more like thin copper wire taped to the battery
The phone seems to be OK, I left it overnight and it did not go out (when the old battery dried up and worked, it will stay on for no more than 4-6 hs).
I am 100% sure the phone and battery are dried and clean, the "incident" happened at least 3 months ago.
I am pretty sure I can get your battery model for a few bucks right where I live.
Although I currently own an android tablet, I really miss having my WM smartphone
One more time, thank you guys for all the help!!
Getting the Samsung battery prooved to be impossible.
I was not able to find a 1000mah samsung compatible battery in the whole city.
I did however found 960mah batteries that were compatible with the same models.
Originals were almost as expensive as a basic phone, so I opted for a Chinese knockoff which I just managed to install.
The original charger won't charge it, neither will some other chinese USB chargers, but a USB port is doing the job just fine.
I am so happy to have my WM6 phone back
I was using an LG kp110 which I accidenally fried in a pool, and had to use a Siemens A31 for more than a month!
Thank you guys!
Hello all, thanks in advance for any suggestions
I have a Galaxy S5 that I will be taking back to the store since we haven't been able to get root on it yet, fairly satisfied with the phone.
I had an S3 and then a HTC Thunderbolt before that, both with removable batteries.
Removable batteries have been a huge pro for me, I am often very hard on battery using bluetooth and playing media for 12 hours at a time away from charger.
Really other than being a little tall the battery is what is keeping me away from the M8.
What options does a guy have to combat a non replaceable battery? I know the little pocket power cells have come a long way, and I currently always carry a spare battery now so maybe that is a lateral change. Are there some of those that charge very fast?
I tend to keep phones running a LONG time and pass them down to wife/kids and removable battery has always been a big pro to that.
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Hello all, thanks in advance for any suggestions
I have a Galaxy S5 that I will be taking back to the store since we haven't been able to get root on it yet, fairly satisfied with the phone.
I had an S3 and then a HTC Thunderbolt before that, both with removable batteries.
Removable batteries have been a huge pro for me, I am often very hard on battery using bluetooth and playing media for 12 hours at a time away from charger.
Really other than being a little tall the battery is what is keeping me away from the M8.
What options does a guy have to combat a non replaceable battery? I know the little pocket power cells have come a long way, and I currently always carry a spare battery now so maybe that is a lateral change. Are there some of those that charge very fast?
I tend to keep phones running a LONG time and pass them down to wife/kids and removable battery has always been a big pro to that.
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an external battery like you mentioned or a battery case. if you're worried about wearing out the battery, im sure you can replace it manually after 2-3 years by opening up the phone (there's teardowns posted already). I can't speak on either battery option though bc i have a charger at my desk.
Abe21599 said:
an external battery like you mentioned or a battery case. if you're worried about wearing out the battery, im sure you can replace it manually after 2-3 years by opening up the phone (there's teardowns posted already). I can't speak on either battery option though bc i have a charger at my desk.
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The M8 got a very poor repair-ability score from ifixit so a battery swap won't be a simple choice. Thus my being a bit cautious.
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I had an S3 and then a HTC Thunderbolt before that, both with removable batteries.
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Ditto, followed by a Galaxy S4.
Removable batteries have been a huge pro for me, I am often very hard on battery using bluetooth and playing media for 12 hours at a time away from charger.
Really other than being a little tall the battery is what is keeping me away from the M8.
What options does a guy have to combat a non replaceable battery?
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Probably no options are needed. I used to carry a spare battery (or two!) for my T-Bolt but found I could live with the S3 and S4 batteries by keeping a spare battery on a charger and swapping batteries around 6 PM each day.
I was VERY nervous about going to the M8 with the non-removable battery but it lasts and lasts and lasts....... I take it off the charger at 7 AM when I get up and have more than 50% when I go to bed, usually around midnight.
I have a car charger, never needed to use it, I have a USB cord plugged into my PC so I can charge while I'm typing this, never do though, it's not needed.
I can't speak to battery life 3 years down the road when cell phone batteries start losing life but in 3 years I suspect this phone will be as obsolete as a rotary dial phone is now and I'll be looking for the latest gee-whiz phone that is cosmic ray powered or ????
Don't worry about the battery, it'll be fine.
FWIW, rooted, TWRP recovery, running BoneStock ROM (thanks, AndyBones!) with power saver turned OFF!
xs11e said:
Ditto, followed by a Galaxy S4.
Probably no options are needed. I used to carry a spare battery (or two!) for my T-Bolt but found I could live with the S3 and S4 batteries by keeping a spare battery on a charger and swapping batteries around 6 PM each day.
I was VERY nervous about going to the M8 with the non-removable battery but it lasts and lasts and lasts....... I take it off the charger at 7 AM when I get up and have more than 50% when I go to bed, usually around midnight.
I have a car charger, never needed to use it, I have a USB cord plugged into my PC so I can charge while I'm typing this, never do though, it's not needed.
I can't speak to battery life 3 years down the road when cell phone batteries start losing life but in 3 years I suspect this phone will be as obsolete as a rotary dial phone is now and I'll be looking for the latest gee-whiz phone that is cosmic ray powered or ????
Don't worry about the battery, it'll be fine.
FWIW, rooted, TWRP recovery, running BoneStock ROM (thanks, AndyBones!) with power saver turned OFF!
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Thanks for the input! Glad to hear very good and optimistic reviews of the power, thanks for sharing what you are running rooted wise and the like, I am missing being able to do that already on the S5.
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Thanks for the input! Glad to hear very good and optimistic reviews of the power, thanks for sharing what you are running rooted wise and the like, I am missing being able to do that already on the S5.
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YW, hope it helps. You know what works for one may not work for another, right?
When Samsung and VZW locked down the S4 (and later the S3) I knew I wouldn't be buying another Samsung phone, us flashaholics GOTTA FLASH!
I was in the same boat as you. I almost went with an S5 because of the non-removable battery. Not being able to remove the battery is a stupid, and lazy, design idea. I watched a few videos about the battery and went for it. I have to say its at least 50% better than my TBolt. At the end of the day my TBolt usually was at about 30-45%. Now with the same exact usage patterns the M8 ends at 98%. Yeah I seem to only use 2% over an 8 hour work day. I use it on breaks of course. I plan on buying one of those portable batteries for emergency charging and I've got at least 3 chargers in various places. I used my phone at a family event for about an hour and a half. I watched 3-4 youtube videos ranging from 10-20 minutes each at max quality and did some web browsing and that brought it to 75%. Tethering with the WiFi Router app can suck it down pretty fast though. All in all Im happy with how well the battery holds up. Im sure someone will sell a better battery you can replace down the road with a little disassembly.
Concerns about a non-removable battery are overblown now days. If you're going to carry around extra batteries, you can just as easily carry around an auxiliary battery. The smaller ones are the size of a lipstick and are rated around 3000 mah, enough to double the capacity of nearly any device currently on the market. If that's not enough for you they go all the way up to 12000 before they start getting too large to carry around. By the time the battery actually needs replacing, you will likely have moved on to another phone.
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I was in the same boat as you. I almost went with an S5 because of the non-removable battery. Not being able to remove the battery is a stupid, and lazy, design idea. I watched a few videos about the battery and went for it. I have to say its at least 50% better than my TBolt. At the end of the day my TBolt usually was at about 30-45%. Now with the same exact usage patterns the M8 ends at 98%. Yeah I seem to only use 2% over an 8 hour work day. I use it on breaks of course. I plan on buying one of those portable batteries for emergency charging and I've got at least 3 chargers in various places. I used my phone at a family event for about an hour and a half. I watched 3-4 youtube videos ranging from 10-20 minutes each at max quality and did some web browsing and that brought it to 75%. Tethering with the WiFi Router app can suck it down pretty fast though. All in all Im happy with how well the battery holds up. Im sure someone will sell a better battery you can replace down the road with a little disassembly.
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how do you expect a 90% metal phone to have a removable battery? i don't see this as possible. you're gonna get tabs that break off very easily or something else that fails bc you want to take your battery out easily.
I got an SM-G920I, which obtained on my carrier. The device has serious battery problems, because it has less than a year of use and the battery is discharged rapidly. No lasts beyond 12 hours with something like 2-3hrs SOT.
The technical service of my carrier is horrible, often they delivered reconditioned devices as new and sometimes even cost make them understand the problem with the device. Moreover, the Samsung repair service is from third party and only covers devices purchased in their stores. It is why I have been looking on ebay batteries, for replacement by myself.
I wonder if someone has bought a battery (on eBay or Amazon) and has made replacement on its Galaxy S6. You have any references? any manufacturer suggested? any comments?
I have some experience tearing down my galaxys but now that the back cover is glued is a hassle.
You need a heat gun, not just a hair dryer..it is difficult and it weakens the solidity of the phone. ..
My suggestion, first try a factory reset, yours seems to be some battery drain caused by an app or a service or an internal error, 2-3h sot are normal, 12th in sleep are almost normal, something that make me think of a wakelock.
Otherwise contact directly samsung
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You need a heat gun, not just a hair dryer..it is difficult and it weakens the solidity of the phone. ..
My suggestion, first try a factory reset, yours seems to be some battery drain caused by an app or a service or an internal error, 2-3h sot are normal, 12th in sleep are almost normal, something that make me think of a wakelock.
Otherwise contact directly samsung
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Well, I understand the incovenient that will get after remove and glue again the back cover, but is a risk I want to take. Also tried factory reset, too many times, also tried different stock roms. Also i know that battery usage is relative "normal" but there are times that when using device is like flushing batter, 10-20% just only in minutes and only reading feeds on wifi.
Generally this is not a big big problem because always are plugs availables to get my fastcharger. But when working on field always have to activate saving mode or even ultra saving. Sometimes get 8 hours on 2 or less SOT so, Its kind weird.
I will make a call to samsung support to check if they could help. But also keep waiting for someone else who has made this replacement. Thanks!
Used to work in a phone repair store myself, and Samsungs are very tricky to do if you've no experience with it. I'd recommend buying the battery, then paying someone to put it in for you
I searched this before posting, but the thread had no replies from January so hoping I can gain some insight and clarification on this.
I am new to Android and avoided it for a long time due to being perfectly satisfied with my Blackberry Q10. However a few years ago, I was intrigued by the original Pixel and knew whenever I switched , if I went Android it would be a Pixel. It ended up being a Pixel 2.
I say this because I spend a lot of time googling and researching before i ask a question to make sure i am as familiar as possible before i ask something that can be found just as fast on my own.
That being said, i can't find an answer to "What is a typical capacity loss over a number of months...?"
I just got the phone in January. Didn't know anything about capacity until i noticed a huge drop in expected battery time after unplugging my phone. It used to be 21-23 hours expected from 100%. Now its only about 10-15 hours, depending on the day. Researched batteries and learned about Accubattery. Looked at the health and saw i'm only at 2284 our of 2700. It says GOOD health..but is that really good health after only 3 1/2 months? Also..unfortunately i have no idea what the original real life capacity was because i never checked until End of March when i discovered Accubattery.
Just wondering should i return the phone or accept this level of battery. At this rate..does't seem like I will get through a year on this phone.
ADDITIONAL INFO - I have used 3rd party charging cables (Nekteck)and Samsung bricks. The cables give me roughly the same amount of juice as the charger that came with the phone ( around 1300 Mah max, more juice if I'm charging from a lower percentage start point )
Tone96 said:
I searched this before posting, but the thread had no replies from January so hoping I can gain some insight and clarification on this.
I am new to Android and avoided it for a long time due to being perfectly satisfied with my Blackberry Q10. However a few years ago, I was intrigued by the original Pixel and knew whenever I switched , if I went Android it would be a Pixel. It ended up being a Pixel 2.
I say this because I spend a lot of time googling and researching before i ask a question to make sure i am as familiar as possible before i ask something that can be found just as fast on my own.
That being said, i can't find an answer to "What is a typical capacity loss over a number of months...?"
I just got the phone in January. Didn't know anything about capacity until i noticed a huge drop in expected battery time after unplugging my phone. It used to be 21-23 hours expected from 100%. Now its only about 10-15 hours, depending on the day. Researched batteries and learned about Accubattery. Looked at the health and saw i'm only at 2284 our of 2700. It says GOOD health..but is that really good health after only 3 1/2 months? Also..unfortunately i have no idea what the original real life capacity was because i never checked until End of March when i discovered Accubattery.
Just wondering should i return the phone or accept this level of battery. At this rate..does't seem like I will get through a year on this phone.
ADDITIONAL INFO - I have used 3rd party charging cables (Nekteck)and Samsung bricks. The cables give me roughly the same amount of juice as the charger that came with the phone ( around 1300 Mah max, more juice if I'm charging from a lower percentage start point )
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Stop apps from running in the background. Your WhatsApp, Facebook, Marco Polo, weather widgets, etc are using your battery.
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I don't have many running in the back. I don't have Marco Polo or Whatsapp. All my others I shut down to and when I check apps are using very low percentage. But my question is more the battery health reading. is 2200 healthy after 3 months use?
Is the phone battery actually draining twice as fast now or is the battery reporting just wrong?
The phone seems to behave normally, but being I'm not an Android user for long I don't know what normal is. I know things differ phone to phone. If I use my screen and read articles the battery drains fast to me. Compared to others who consider reading as light use. I get "better" life if I watch videos. I suppose because I'm not touching the screen. Streaming I can do for hours. I think what I'm trying to understand is...how accurate and important is a battery capacity reading? Should I be concerned that it says im only getting around 2200 out of 2700? For an almost phone I would think the capacity would be closer to the design capacity?
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The phone seems to behave normally, but being I'm not an Android user for long I don't know what normal is. I know things differ phone to phone. If I use my screen and read articles the battery drains fast to me. Compared to others who consider reading as light use. I get "better" life if I watch videos. I suppose because I'm not touching the screen. Streaming I can do for hours. I think what I'm trying to understand is...how accurate and important is a battery capacity reading? Should I be concerned that it says im only getting around 2200 out of 2700? For an almost phone I would think the capacity would be closer to the design capacity?
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Take a screen shot of the reduced battery capacity reading and send it to Google's customer service from your support menu in the system settings.