http://blog.gsmarena.com/here-goes-the-samsung-galaxy-s4-black-mist-hands-on-video/
This hands on from GSMArena shows an Adobe RGB mode in the screen mode settings. It seems to have taken the place of the "natural" mode in the GS3 and Note 2. My question is, do you think it will be drastically better than the old natural mode?
I've owned the GS3 and now am rocking a Note 2. Switching to natural mode turns everything lackluster, grainy, and dingy looking. It almost feels like its turning off some subpixels. The contrast goes down and whites look even grayer. I've tried using it a few times, but always get really annoyed and switched back to standard. It's suppose to bridge the gap and be more pleasant like the natural colors of an LCD, but all it does is make the screen look defective to me.
One of the biggest problems with AMOLED is that when you turn up the brightness, the colors also change. It's consistently saturated, but not consistently of the same color. Greens always make me barf, and there are so many kinds of green. The weather widget and Lord of the Rings trailers are good examples. Do you think the Galaxy S4 has improved on color consistency over varying brightness settings?
I cannot tell much from the GSMArena video nor have I seen the phone in person. But I would like to hear your thoughts if you think the S4 screen color fidelity has improved much from its previous iteration, with or without the new Adobe RGB screen mode. Or if you could link to sites that have examined this in detail with actual units. The more generic reviews like to absentmindedly say the "natural" mode fixes the color issues with Samsung's panels, but that has not been the case for me, and am hoping the Adobe RGB mode and Samsung's new 1080p panel might not be just the same old same old.
katamari201 said:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/here-goes-the-samsung-galaxy-s4-black-mist-hands-on-video/
This hands on from GSMArena shows an Adobe RGB mode in the screen mode settings. It seems to have taken the place of the "natural" mode in the GS3 and Note 2. My question is, do you think it will be drastically better than the old natural mode?
I've owned the GS3 and now am rocking a Note 2. Switching to natural mode turns everything lackluster, grainy, and dingy looking. It almost feels like its turning off some subpixels. The contrast goes down and whites look even grayer. I've tried using it a few times, but always get really annoyed and switched back to standard. It's suppose to bridge the gap and be more pleasant like the natural colors of an LCD, but all it does is make the screen look defective to me.
One of the biggest problems with AMOLED is that when you turn up the brightness, the colors also change. It's consistently saturated, but not consistently of the same color. Greens always make me barf, and there are so many kinds of green. The weather widget and Lord of the Rings trailers are good examples. Do you think the Galaxy S4 has improved on color consistency over varying brightness settings?
I cannot tell much from the GSMArena video nor have I seen the phone in person. But I would like to hear your thoughts if you think the S4 screen color fidelity has improved much from its previous iteration, with or without the new Adobe RGB screen mode. Or if you could link to sites that have examined this in detail with actual units. The more generic reviews like to absentmindedly say the "natural" mode fixes the color issues with Samsung's panels, but that has not been the case for me, and am hoping the Adobe RGB mode and Samsung's new 1080p panel might not be just the same old same old.
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Spoke with someone today who had some hands-on, he's a guy who really obsesses over colour temperature too (like me), he said it wasn't quite as good as the Perseus kernel master settings for screen calibration, but did make a very noticeable difference for the better. Incidentally, it you're with a Note 2 you should try Perseus out. I would not be without its colour tuning now (just give yourself a while to adjust, its such a big change from the Samsung colour calibration that it takes some getting used to).
Galaxy S4 also have 4 manual mode to switch on and 7 automatic modes .....
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Firstly i really love Atrix2. and i love the TFT display. i always hate the AMOLED ro Super AMOLED or SAP , because the AMOLEDs are colors distortion too much.
But now, the Atrix2 display color is too dark ,even i adjusted the brightness to 100%. there still something like the <dark grey> became to <black>, also the <dark blue> became to <black>, all the colors are too dark!
i took some photos and videos by Atrix2, and they are looks so bad on the phone, when i copied them to the PC then they are looks very beautiful and the colors are very true.
I particularly like this phone excepted the display. i'm so disappointed, yes the RGB pixel lets the texts looks much better, actually the brightness is enough too, but just all the colors are too dark.
i don't want to change another phone, i don't like Samsung or HTC.
So can someone fix this display problem? i'll appreciate that.
gigii said:
Firstly i really love Atrix2. and i love the TFT display. i always hate the AMOLED ro Super AMOLED or SAP , because the AMOLEDs are colors distortion too much.
But now, the Atrix2 display color is too dark ,even i adjusted the brightness to 100%. there still something like the <dark grey> became to <black>, also the <dark blue> became to <black>, all the colors are too dark!
i took some photos and videos by Atrix2, and they are looks so bad on the phone, when i copied them to the PC then they are looks very beautiful and the colors are very true.
I particularly like this phone excepted the display. i'm so disappointed, yes the RGB pixel lets the texts looks much better, actually the brightness is enough too, but just all the colors are too dark.
i don't want to change another phone, i don't like Samsung or HTC.
So can someone fix this display problem? i'll appreciate that.
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Wow, first report I've heard of this - I would take it back and exchange it - compare it to ones in store at least. For me, it looks brilliant and bright - outdoors even better than iPhone 4.
Yeah mines been great in that department. "almost" bright as Samsungs SMOLED.
I pitted my up against a SGS II in the store and I believe the blues are brighter on the SGS II. However the A2 is just slightly less brighter than the SGS II. The blacks are super black and the other colors pop nicely. I think my display is on the warmer side compared the cooler side of the SGS II. However I have zero complaints with my display. I keep my display on 0% brightness at the work place and it looks just fine.
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I pitted my up against a SGS II in the store and I believe the blues are brighter on the SGS II. However the A2 is just slightly less brighter than the SGS II. The blacks are super black and the other colors pop nicely. I think my display is on the warmer side compared the cooler side of the SGS II. However I have zero complaints with my display. I keep my display on 0% brightness at the work place and it looks just fine.
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Actually mine is doing the same. Take for example I was watching Iron Man 2 and the race track scenes were perfect, FANTASTIC. But the scenes where it was dark were HORRIBLE. The night scenes from any video are really bad.
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Actually mine is doing the same. Take for example I was watching Iron Man 2 and the race track scenes were perfect, FANTASTIC. But the scenes where it was dark were HORRIBLE. The night scenes from any video are really bad.
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Yes i think we got same point. the dark scenes and night scenes are very bad. it could be the display contrast is too high.
Its really annoying if its like gigii says so. But still some people think that as bright as samsung amoled.
Confused.....
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Its really annoying if its like gigii says so. But still some people think that as bright as samsung amoled.
Confused.....
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It is super bright. I just watched the International. All the scenes popped and were perfect. I could see every detail. Even the night scenes were great because there were lots of night lights. Then there was a night scene inside the back of a car with a black interior. That same video on my old Ipod 3rd gen touch you could see all the details of the seat etc... inside the car. On the Atrix 2 it was so bad it was like they floated in black.
Now the deal is I would rather have the Atrix for sure. I love the super high rez and accept the trade off for super dark scenes. Nothing is perfect and I love this phone. grrrrrr
Don't worry. The Atrix 1 screen is just as bad, if not worse. It's black crush is *horrid*.
I think the screen is great looking if not doing anything dependent on perfect color. Text is extremely crisp and most stuff looks nice if it isnt dark.
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Wow, first report I've heard of this - I would take it back and exchange it - compare it to ones in store at least. For me, it looks brilliant and bright - outdoors even better than iPhone 4.
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please tell me more about atrix 2 display
at compare with iphone 4 or other smartphone ?
i a, atrix 4g user and dont love it so much . however its good too . but not great !?
how about atrix 2 !??
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Don't complain too much, the sgs 2 screen maybe bright but its blurry when compared to qhd of atrix 2. I still kinda miss the screen
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As far as I know,this Atrix2 has some problem abt display in dark scenes.
sigh.
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I think the screen is great looking if not doing anything dependent on perfect color. Text is extremely crisp and most stuff looks nice if it isnt dark.
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I love the screen
The Atrix 2 does not have a pentile display like the Atrix 4G did. Therefore, it is far improved for certain colors such as green, yellow and black.
However, a true black is difficult for LCDs of any variety. The color on the Atrix 2 is not as vivid when compared to other phones, especially the SGS series, however it should be noted that when you get down to it, the colors on the SGS line are actually overly vibrant, and as such are indeed further from the *true* color of whatever it is you are looking at VS the Atrix 2.
This is determined by doing color tests, however tests are really BS, because its more about taste than anything else.
As to the Atrix 2 having a hard time with dark scenes, I have not experienced this to the degree described in the thread. I find the screen to be quite vivid, blacks / dark screens included. Even at low brightness it seems far improved over the OG Atrix.
The iPhone 4 series has a better color definition in MY opinion, however when I tested it against a color test, it was not as true as the Atrix 2, being slightly over vivid.
I'd recommend exchanging your A2 for a different one given the description of the problem, as I have issued 70 of these things out to company employees and never seen one be as bad as what is described.
I got the point of gigii.
You see, it's NOT about the backlight being too dark, it's the color contrast itself. Try getting another android phone, let's say, a Motorola Defy. Do NOT compare with any AMOLED/SUPER AMOLED.
Try installing yahoo messenger app. I chose to compare this coz you'll see the obvious difference with the color.
You will notice that the color purple is DARKER in Atrix 2 compared to any other phones.
I think this is intentional as the display would look more vivid given that you have proper backlighting. All colors have darker shades. This would actually "fool" us on having better color contrast. Some may not notice it but if you have another phone to compare to (a TFT LCD unit perhaps) then you would know.
been meaning to try this ought to do the trick.rooted phones only!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366280
try this app to view your picture :
"Perfect Viewer" , it can immediately apply gamma correction when browseing picture.
set gamma 1.1~1.3 is helpful.
I still can not find a video player app which can provide gamma correction function.
Any one suggest ?
Besides, I also use "Screen Adjuster" to increase color temperature because I feel the white color is too yellow. (set Blue value15~20)
I keep my brightness at the lowest for battery life, looks good to me.
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been meaning to try this ought to do the trick.rooted phones only!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366280
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This doesn't work for our phones.
The OP said it only works for samsung phones, but I tried it any ways =P. No luck.
Coming from years of owning Nexus devices, the dev community always came up with a way to calibrate the display to user preference. Importantly, Samsung added some built in options in order to tune the screen, some of which will lead to a more natural color gamut instead of the overblown colors that many displays come with.
So what's your preference? Since, we have RGB controls now, perhaps we can come up with some suggestions for others to use?
I use AMOLED Cinema since its a more accurate color gamut, especially when viewing photos.
Basic!
WQHD
Adaptive display
Red 50%
Green 75%
Blue 100%
Edge color didn't touch
Screen brightness at 50% all the time.
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I actually wish there was a dynamic mode still available. I like the oversaturated colors of previous Samsung's.
Basic all the way, because that's the properly calibrated, natural one.
If you're colorblind, please disregard this thread. Rate this thread to express how you deem the color saturation and accuracy of the Google Pixel 2 XL's display. A higher rating indicates that you think that color accuracy is very high and saturation is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Checked out the xl2 at verizon. Colors seems having too much black. Still has greenish color shifting in some viewing angle
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Colors seemed washed out, much less vibrant than Note8. I will try to upload few comparison pictures later today
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Colors seemed washed out, much less vibrant than Note8. I will try to upload few comparison pictures later today
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Yes couldn't agree more, my pixel XL 2 is so washed out I'm tempted to switch back to my note 8!!
Here are some of the comparison photos
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Yes couldn't agree more, my pixel XL 2 is so washed out I'm tempted to switch back to my note 8!!
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Compared to a over saturated Samsung it probably does look washed out, in the picture posted, look at the hearts, the pixel looks red and you can see how oversaturated the Sammy is
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Compared to a over saturated Samsung it probably does look washed out, in the picture posted, look at the hearts, the pixel looks red and you can see how oversaturated the Sammy is
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Well in contrast, look at the beach on both photos. When I looked at both side by side, Pixel definitely lacked saturation in my opinion. I guess it comes down to personal preference but I never understood why people wouldn't like Samsungs saturation. Makes everything look much nicer, and if one wants to mute colors, there are a bunch of profiles in the settings as well as adjustments for individual colors. When you lack saturated colors like on this Pixel to begin with, you can't just bring more color out that easily.
The Verizon I went to had it setup with some preloaded messages, didn't actually get to see the OS and working screens. My comparison would be to the numbers the display is measured at, delta E, gamma, etc,... that is the only true measurement of color accuracy.
A similar post on Reddit mentioned that the Pixel 2 XL is set to sRGB mode by default, and that there was a toggle to make it more vibrant somewhere in the display settings. It would be interesting to see the same comparison with that toggle set to "On" with the Pixel (assuming that the info is good, and that the toggle exists at all).
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A similar post on Reddit mentioned that the Pixel 2 XL is set to sRGB mode by default, and that there was a toggle to make it more vibrant somewhere in the display settings. It would be interesting to see the same comparison with that toggle set to "On" with the Pixel (assuming that the info is good, and that the toggle exists at all).
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That's true, there was a switch "Vibrant Colors" under Display settings but it was turned on at the one I checked
Google devices have been historically very accurate with the screen colors. Going from LG/Samsung will be noticable.
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Well in contrast, look at the beach on both photos. When I looked at both side by side, Pixel definitely lacked saturation in my opinion. I guess it comes down to personal preference but I never understood why people wouldn't like Samsungs saturation. Makes everything look much nicer, and if one wants to mute colors, there are a bunch of profiles in the settings as well as adjustments for individual colors. When you lack saturated colors like on this Pixel to begin with, you can't just bring more color out that easily.
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People tend to get that way these days because of the way televisions are sold with the brightness and color saturation practically maxed out. This results in super unrealistic colors that tend to offset your idea of what "good" is while killing off subtle image details in the process. Samsung seems to like to do the same thing with phones, perhaps based on the same mindset that their TV guys use: Make things flashy.
In the showroom it may boost sales, but when I take my TV home, the first thing I do is tone all of that down to make sure the color balance is more realistic. For example, I want grass to look like grass would be colored, not neon-green. sRGB mode on Google's phones is nice because it does that for you, without needing any color filters and test patterns.
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People tend to get that way these days because of the way televisions are sold with the brightness and color saturation practically maxed out. This results in super unrealistic colors that tend to offset your idea of what "good" is while killing off subtle image details in the process. Samsung seems to like to do the same thing with phones, perhaps based on the same mindset that their TV guys use: Make things flashy.
In the showroom it may boost sales, but when I take my TV home, the first thing I do is tone all of that down to make sure the color balance is more realistic. For example, I want grass to look like grass would be colored, not neon-green. sRGB mode on Google's phones is nice because it does that for you, without needing any color filters and test patterns.
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YES. So. Many. Times. This.
I shake my head when I see people show off their new TV's with sharpness at 100 and vivid color profiles with bright colors and cool temp selected. More power to do what u want with your stuff, but it just looks rediculous.
As a photographer using calibrated displays and a Photoshop user, don't make up your mind on Webb posts. And I want a natural and sRGB.
Love the super saturated colors. This is coming from a normal consumer without any "expertise" in anything related to the subject matter. My eyes like it.
I despise the over-saturation Sammy does. This is good news to me.
This is funny because although I was only able to see the the Pixel 2 screen (non XL) I'm positive both will have great displays. I do like Samsung displays however I hate when the over saturation shows the absolutely wrong color. But not too long ago the Samsung S8 & S8+ displays had a red & purple tint on the white screen. And that was actually a very prevalent issue which was fixed by a software update. After seeing the Pixel 2 display I thought it looked good.
I have read that the display on the Pixel 2 XL has a bluish tint when viewed off angle and that the LG V30, which is said to have the same display as the Pixel 2 XL, has screen uniformity issues.
I went to my local Verizon yesterday to play with the phone and see for myself. The bluish tint off angle is absolutely there. It didn't bother me but it might bother some. As far as screen uniformity I didn't see any issues. At least not with the display phone. I tested with light gray and dark gray backgrounds at high and low screen brightness and I used my hands to block out room lighting as best as I could.
Color saturation looked good to me. A bit more saturated than my Nexus 5X I used as a side by side comparison.
The verge panned the v30 display in their review today. This isn't looking good
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I thought the tech community panned the verge years ago
No, I'm not trying to sell washing powder, just trying to understand an issue I've had now with two Pixel 2 devices, and one that I posted about on the colour saturation and accuracy thread on the Real Life Review boards previously.
My first Pixel 2 arrived in December and I was immediately underwhelmed with the colour balance on the display - regardless of configuration options. Whites were very yellow - not as bad as when the Night Light was on, but far from white. So I returned the device, and a new one arrived a few days later. My second Pixel 2 is undoubtedly much better than the first. Not only was the colour balance better, it was also noticeably sharper when compared side by side. However, it still has a definite yellow tint in the whites, and some images seem to show this more than others - for example, flesh tones in the otherwise superb photos (when viewed on the device) look odd.
It's most noticeable for me when I have a nearby monitor or screen to compare. Individually the phone does not look so bad, but the whites on my monitor, laptop, tablet and even old phones are significantly whiter. (I'm not helped by the fact that I work in front of a screen all day - so I'm rarely able to avoid the comparison.)
Hence the question - both my devices have had a distinct yellow tint in the whites. How about yours?
I'd really like to keep the phone - because pretty much everything else about it is great. However, it's not a cheap phone, and because of that I'm not sure I should be making such a compromise on the display.
Any feedback appreciated.
I went to Best Buy and looked at the Pixel 2 they had there, and it had a similar yellow tint to the one I had that I RMA'd, but I don't think the tint was as bad on the one at Best Buy as it was on the one I had.
To get a comparison I just loaded the Play Store app (white background) and compared to a sheet of laser printer paper I had on my desk (under fluorescent lighting in my office). I'd have say my whites were a bit colder (i.e. less yellow) than the paper appeared under these lighting conditions.
I tried changing colour mode, but that didn't seem to have a dramatic effect on the white point, though "saturated" looked a little different - I'm not sure whether I'd describe it as "warmer" (more yellow/less blue) or just having slightly more green, but there was a very small change in colour temperature in that mode. I use "natural" myself anyway.
Large Hadron said:
To get a comparison I just loaded the Play Store app (white background) and compared to a sheet of laser printer paper I had on my desk (under fluorescent lighting in my office). I'd have say my whites were a bit colder (i.e. less yellow) than the paper appeared under these lighting conditions.
I tried changing colour mode, but that didn't seem to have a dramatic effect on the white point, though "saturated" looked a little different - I'm not sure whether I'd describe it as "warmer" (more yellow/less blue) or just having slightly more green, but there was a very small change in colour temperature in that mode. I use "natural" myself anyway.
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Thanks for the feedback.... I'm using natural mode too - boosted, or saturated just make the whites more yellow for me. It's subtle - but noticeable.
I've also noticed yellowish whites comparing it to other screens. Even my old N6P had better whites. I don't know if it's a generalized issue we should worry about, or just stick with it.
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It's just how these screens were tuned. They are much warmer than LCD screens and look yellow when u compare to basically any other display. It's a feature, not a bug. Stop comparing and you won't notice it ?
PuffDaddy_d said:
It's just how these screens were tuned. They are much warmer than LCD screens and look yellow when u compare to basically any other display. It's a feature, not a bug. Stop comparing and you won't notice it
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You're right of course, I need to stop comparing... I just got a bit paranoid after my original RMA'd device's screen was so poor. I think I'm going to stick with it.
How is the LCD's black levels? Also at the lowest brightness.
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How is the LCD's black levels? Also at the lowest brightness.
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Hi. I got the device today and I'm fairly impressed with the black levels from this LCD display. Even with low brightness.
The panel, at least mine seems pretty homogeneous and viewing angles are good.
Ah, and I'm coming from an amoled screen (Samsung A71).
well thats brilliant and reassuring thanks Patoilo , I ordered mine a day ago and my context is as a movement and cognition impaired (light and sound sensitivity,reduced memory) disabled dude I keep inducing burn in on OLED displays after 1 year to 18 months AND the PWM brightness moderating method plus pentile subpixel arrangement all mess with my vision and comfort when trying to read. I was super excited to see this combination of 120hz, LCD, big battery etc - the physical size is the only draw back but its mitigated by the reliability of both the screen robustness (not going to burn in or discolor over time) and the fact this thing should last a long time even if I had to go to hospital halfway through it charging
Ill report back about the display when the phone arrives especially stuff like how pronounced any ghosting is at 120hz, how nice the 1080p+ clarity is now that im not on Pentile etc
Im very impressed with the display, coming from a oneplus3 oled, this display is so much better.
Colors are much more vibrant, black level is good and the display is massive in size.
Watching movies in 21:9 with the dual speaker is insane.
One think to note, with "dark mode" enabled it changes multiple colors like white to dark grey, yellow to dark orange etc. so dont keep that always enabled.