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[Q] Android or HTC Wifi Issue

Hi all,
I have searched the threads as best I can so I post this...apologies for the legnth...
It is assumed that the wifi adapter in the Sensation will connect to the strongest signal to give us all the best connection experience possible, however with the proliferation of open wifi signals now on offer in the UK (Openzone and BTFON etc) it is now causing havoc when I don't have BT as an ISP.
The problem:
Currently the priority of the Sensation's wifi radio software seems to be connecting to an open signal first. The strongest is second.
Unlike an alternative Apple product, I haven't found any settings to set a preference for remembered wireless networks and to only apply the other default rules AFTER those preferences.
The Apple product also never connects to a network without the okay from the user. The HTC/Android software connects irrespective. Finally the "forget network" option doesn't work either, as it rescans, picks it up again straight away and because it's "open" connects again.
This always happens in my home as the BTFON signal from next door's BT router is actually stronger at the front of my house that my own router signal from the back. Before anyone says "get another router or position it somewhere else", I can't without spending at least £60+ for a SKY ANYTIME+ wireless receiver (which I refuse to do).
Is there another hidden option for "stock" phones? or perhaps there is a ROM?
What I want it to do is:
1) control which discovered networks I allow my phone to connect to automatically.
2) set a flag to ignore other found wifi networks, regardless of signal strength.
I know these fly in the face of the original idea of the Sensation and HTC, which was to produce a phone that connects to any network as silently and quickly as possible. HTC's "Watch" app and service launched specifically with the Sensation wouldn't have been so great without it.
Has anyone else spotted this with BTFON signals out there or fixed it?
EtA
(Vodafone stock Sensation on 2.3.4)

I've got a stock O2 (2.3.3) Sensation and the Forget Network works with BT Openzone, which is good as I've never been able to get past the "enter your phone number" registration page with BT Openzone. Mine also doesn't automatically try to connect to open networks.
If BT wasn't such a scummy internet provider they wouldn't have their home broadband routers broadcasting as BT Openzone providers.

On stock as well and yes the phone automatically detects the network again after "forgetting" it, but does not auto connect unless I go and tell it to connect again. Not to sure why you're auto connecting after forgetting the network...

You know, this sounds like FUD to me. One post and a non-existent problem no one ever reported.
Forget network works just fine. The phone wont' connect to an open network at random.
If this is real it's got to be be user error.

More than likely just another PEBKAC error...

swellthekitty said:
More than likely just another PEBKAC error...
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I'm laughing my socks off at your attempts to belittle me and my issue.
So you both think you are experts do you? How?..based on the number of posts or thanks you have received?
One post of a problem no one has heard of before is how a forum starts off.
Trying to be "clever" with acronyms is childish.
I have posted my issue to HTC and rec'd a sensible response. It is now being looked into.
But then you don't care because its just operator error.
I suppose you never knew that you couldn't input British postal codes into the 'people' app until the bug was spotted. I wonder you raised that first to HtC and then it got fixed...That's right...not you guys either. Too busy belittling members.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App

Wish more Vodafone users had posted their experience, as I mentioned my O2 2.3.3 only auto connects to known networks and once connected to openzone I can't get past the page asking for my phone number

As an O2 customer don't you have free Cloud membership?
I used to with my iPhone...Go to McD's and whilst sitting inside connect...I'm sure it's still foc after popping in your phone number.
I thought I could use BTOpenzone as it is offered with Vodafone, but I have to pay seperately otherwise I can't get past the screen you mention either.
I do remember though that even with Cloud coverage my phone would at least download email. It was only browsing that would require passwords etc. Not sure wy this happened really though...seemed to be offering a cherry to tempt buying the cake I suppose.
BTW ...HTC have responded again saying that they are aware there are issues with Wi-Fi connectivity, specifically with baseband (radio) 10.56.9035.00U_10.14.9035.01_M and software 1.45.161.1
They say they will issue "stability" fixes in the next release to vodafoneUK customers (and others UK carriers I presume) in the coming months...

Ethel the Aardvark said:
As an O2 customer don't you have free Cloud membership?
I used to with my iPhone...Go to McD's and whilst sitting inside connect...I'm sure it's still foc after popping in your phone number.
I thought I could use BTOpenzone as it is offered with Vodafone, but I have to pay seperately otherwise I can't get past the screen you mention either.
I do remember though that even with Cloud coverage my phone would at least download email. It was only browsing that would require passwords etc. Not sure wy this happened really though...seemed to be offering a cherry to tempt buying the cake I suppose.
BTW ...HTC have responded again saying that they are aware there are issues with Wi-Fi connectivity, specifically with baseband (radio) 10.56.9035.00U_10.14.9035.01_M and software 1.45.161.1
They say they will issue "stability" fixes in the next release to vodafoneUK customers (and others UK carriers I presume) in the coming months...
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We get The Cloud (which works perfectly) and BT Openzone (which has never worked for me).

This thread seems to shed some light on the issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1251226

xaccers said:
This thread seems to shed some light on the issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1251226
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Thanks for this.
Trouble is, that I don't have this application on my phone, although I confess I did at one time but that was two restores ago although it could I suppose have residual data on the SD card. I will check.
I have had a call from HTC Customer Support today as I gave my call experience a bad customer feedback score.
The issue will now be raised further for investigation the developers and they are going to inform me as to when the next update will come out...or at least that is what the guy said...I run a Helpdesk myself at work, so I realise the situation...but we'll see.
HTC have been honest and fair to me in the past so I have good expectations.
I'll report back...

BT Openzone issue
Had this problem myself. If you are on Vodafone then go to the "My Vodafone App", Click the WiFi Finder tab, press the menu key (next to the home button) and click settings. Untick "Enable BT Openzone" and your Sensation will properly "forget" BT Openzones.
Let me know if this helps.

@jengla Thank you very much! This worked perfectly. Been driving me crazy for months

Does the XTC Clip supports the HTC Status (USA AT&T custom version of the ChaCha)?

Does the XTC Clip supports the HTC Status (USA AT&T custom version of the ChaCha)?
As the titles says, does the XTC Clip works on the HTC Status? Anyone with some experience on it?
Thanks.

Just to explain: XTC Clip works on any HTC phone (hardware dependent). What you are asking is if it's working some custom ROM (software dependent). Get it?
And btw, Status = ChaCha. Status is not a custom AT&T version of ChaCha, it's just that HTC had a legal issue with the www.chacha.com company so they had to use a different name for marketing.

Alex C. said:
Just to explain: XTC Clip works on any HTC phone (hardware dependent). What you are asking is if it's working some custom ROM (software dependent). Get it?
And btw, Status = ChaCha. Status is not a custom AT&T version of ChaCha, it's just that HTC had a legal issue with the www.chacha.com company so they had to use a different name for marketing.
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Thanks!
I would have thought that the Status was actually a custom version of the ChaCha as AT&T uses network frequencies that no one else uses which I suspect would require a different radio chip and radio firmware. Also the Status comes with all the AT&T crapware loaded and has a few features blocked (like USB tethering and wifi hotspot) unless you pay for them.

Ledrocnoc is correct. The HTC Status, while very similar to the unbranded ChaCha, is a little different. As you wrote, the radio is different in order to handle the 850/1900MHz range for AT&T's 3G network, as well as some differences in the front-facing camera, and of course the included software:
Compare the Status to the ChaCha
(yes, there is an FM radio in the Status, despite what GSMArena.com indicates)
Regarding the USB tethering and hotspot, even if those were available for "free" on the Status, AT&T will likely catch you anyways and make you pay. I know this for a fact because on my previous phone (unlocked GSM Palm Treo Pro), I was able to do internet sharing via USB and I used a software called WMWifiRouter to do hotspot. If you use it very sparingly (as in a few hundred KBs every few weeks or so), AT&T probably won't catch you. But if you use the tethering component regularly and consume a lot of bandwidth, they will catch you and issue you a warning. This happened to me with the Treo Pro when my wife used her laptop tethered to my phone to watch a movie via NetFlix. Of course, I immediately stopped internet sharing due to AT&T's insane $45 monthly tethering fee that they threatened to start charging me. I believe AT&T performs deep-packet inspection to see what is being sent through their networks and if they haven't caught you yet, they will soon.
So, yes, while the HTC Status has "locked" tethering, you would likely end up paying for the extra tethering cost eventually anyways if they catch you.

hockeyfan said:
Ledrocnoc is correct.
So, yes, while the HTC Status has "locked" tethering, you would likely end up paying for the extra tethering cost eventually anyways if they catch you.
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Not necessarily... I've been doing it for a while right now on my Nexus One and I have been using a VPN (on the laptop side) to hide the traffic from AT&T. Haven't had any problem so far
Which brings a follow up question: if I unlock / root my HTC Status, is there a WiFi hotspot app out there that I can use?
Thanks.

hockeyfan said:
Ledrocnoc is correct. The HTC Status, while very similar to the unbranded ChaCha, is a little different. As you wrote, the radio is different in order to handle the 850/1900MHz range for AT&T's 3G network, as well as some differences in the front-facing camera, and of course the included software:
Compare the Status to the ChaCha
(yes, there is an FM radio in the Status, despite what GSMArena.com indicates)
Regarding the USB tethering and hotspot, even if those were available for "free" on the Status, AT&T will likely catch you anyways and make you pay. I know this for a fact because on my previous phone (unlocked GSM Palm Treo Pro), I was able to do internet sharing via USB and I used a software called WMWifiRouter to do hotspot. If you use it very sparingly (as in a few hundred KBs every few weeks or so), AT&T probably won't catch you. But if you use the tethering component regularly and consume a lot of bandwidth, they will catch you and issue you a warning. This happened to me with the Treo Pro when my wife used her laptop tethered to my phone to watch a movie via NetFlix. Of course, I immediately stopped internet sharing due to AT&T's insane $45 monthly tethering fee that they threatened to start charging me. I believe AT&T performs deep-packet inspection to see what is being sent through their networks and if they haven't caught you yet, they will soon.
So, yes, while the HTC Status has "locked" tethering, you would likely end up paying for the extra tethering cost eventually anyways if they catch you.
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Actually you're both wrong. HTC ChaCha = Status. Regardless of what the software on it is (even if this software does limit some of it's functionality), the hardware is HTC ChaCha (it's like saying that if you put windows mobile on it it's not ChaCha anymore). For example you do have the full radio, up to 2100, but your operator's network has a maximum of 1900 MHz. The phone will still display 3G only or E for edge. Just do a little (official) check before making statements: http://www.htc.com/europe/smartphones/htc-chacha/#specs
It's there, black on white, the network speeds for Europe and "Other"
There are two hardwares, both of them are HTC ChaCha or HTC Status, doesn't really matter as it's the same phone.
Please use gsmarena as a rare quote in any statements as it's an unreliable site.
To explain my opinions: I work with phones 8 hours a day. (I'm a QA engineer testing the bluetooth connectivity between car-kits and phones/bluetooth devices). I have tested over 450 phones, from Motorola Razorz to LG Chocolate (yes, apparently some people still have this one) to the latest devices. I usually checked gsmarena 4-5 times a day a year ago until the day that I actually held a phone in my hand that they made a review about. The review was all wrong and the specs page were not even the same as the maker (of the phone). It's a good site, for phone's photos. I also used iPhone 4 before it even hit the market in Romania and gsmarena was useless about it. (we receive phones from makers usually before they hit the market in Europe).
Anyways, we drifted off.. the thing is that XTC Clip was designed for ANY HTC phone so it will work for older and newer HTC's.

Alex C. said:
Actually you're both wrong. HTC ChaCha = Status. Regardless of what the software on it is (even if this software does limit some of it's functionality), the hardware is HTC ChaCha (it's like saying that if you put windows mobile on it it's not ChaCha anymore).
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So they both have 1.3mp front-facing cameras, but the cha-cha is being restricted to vga through software??? (status has 1.3mp front camera, while cha-cha has only vga)

The Status only has a vga front facing according to the specs on HTC.com. So nobody has S-Offed the Status yet?
Sent from my HTC Status using XDA Premium App

mosamjc said:
The Status only has a vga front facing according to the specs on HTC.com. So nobody has S-Offed the Status yet?
Sent from my HTC Status using XDA Premium App
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Use XTC Clip, lol.

WiFi tethering: Internet sharing no longer works - Anyone else experiencing?

Hello,
since the last FOTA update from HTC to 1.45.403 (Android 2.3.4) I can no longer connect WLAN devices to the internet via WiFi-Hotspot on my HTC Sensation!
Before that update it worked.
The devices (tried it out with a Samsung TV and the original WiFi-stick connected and a WD multimedia box, both worked flawlessly before) successfully find the Sensation's AP, successfully connect to it and also the DHCP test succeeds.
However no internet connection then works.
Did anyone of you experience the same?
Could it be that this FOTA update sent by HTC now requires some software token to be sent by your mobile operator enabling WiFi tethering, hence defaulting tethering via firmware to "disable"?
Mobile operators do not like tethering, but they cannot detect (and consequently block) it easily - unless (just my speculation, no idea if this is the reason, why it won't work anymore) HTC would change WiFi tethering and internet sharing via 3G to default off on software level.
I have to mention that I have an unbranded HTC Sensation without any operator-specific software and the update did not come from the operator but from HTC.
(Or at least that's what I saw.)
Any advice ?
Thanks in advance.

Correction:
Software version is: 1.45.401.3

Have you tried using different security settings for the WiFi hotspott? Go to settings\wireless & networks\Portable WiFi hotspot settings. You have three settings WEP 128, WAP (TKIP), and WPA2 (AES). Mine is set to WPA2 (AES).

Problem is that it does not even work with security settings switched off
I really feel lost.
Could it be that other apps interfere?
But I'd rather doubt.

If you are using the WiFi Hotspot app that came preinstalled on the sensation from tmobile and you dont have a "Tethering Data Plan" they will eventually figure you out and block the app from working.... I found this out myself and had to go ask the nice lady at the Tmobile store why it happened... and that's why.

I can verify that at a certain point of data usage tmous will cut off wifi tethering. They can tell the data is being shared n want u to pay monthly for the service. Found out from a Friend who is a tmo employee.
Although I'm still tethering free for the time being..
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e

Mine does that too now, any way around it

I could be off on this, I work at TMO and I know the Amaze and GSII shipped with the ''latest'' SIM cards, which we were told had to be used for WiFi calling to work correctly, but oddly enough thats when I noticed tethering quit working on all out demo's

Works flawlessly with CM7 for me.

Actually today and yesterday works just fine for me.... so i dont know why it did the one day but no problems now..... wierd

my branded sensation stopped wifi tethering 2 days ago and i just tried and its is working now... Kinda weird i gurss . . Maybe it was because i used 5.46gb of data this month....?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

[Q] can't find wifi network

I have opened a couple of threads with a similar name, but none had the same issue.
My Sensation XE, with original Sense simply won't find my wifi network that I created on my laptop.
I know, pretty common problem. But...
An old SonyEricsson connected to the same network without any problem whatsoever. My old Legend with Cyanogenmod can connect as well. A Desire S with Sense couldn't connect either.
Is it something Sense-related ?
I tried another network (under both W7 and Ubuntu), but it won't connect.
btw, internet pass-trough won't connect either.

Need more information to offer any help. Are you S-off or HTC Dev unlocked? And also what ROM are you running.

I'm not sure if this helps at all, but I think the Wi-Fi hotspot from laptops are some different server type. Like our phones use Ad-Hoc and laptop hotspot uses some different method and some phones can't detect that. I'm not sure thought, just a random thought.
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[Q] Help with Roms and PS3 Tethering

Hey Yall, long time XDA follower and user (HTC Shadow2007), first time "really" posting.
I, for the love of GOD, cannot find out just why I'm not able to use any of my rom's built in tethering for my T-Mobile branded Sensation 4G. I been reading up on T-Mobile US's hidden APN on their network which disable's certain traffics. (Yes I know about spoofing UA Strings for desktops/laptops but this seems to be different, like they are disabling my connection to the PS3 only. In other words, it will find the AP (not ad-hoc) and but not allow for an internet connection.
Lately, I've been switching between CM9 stable(main) and Elegancis (Blitz_3.0.0) roms. I haven't superCID'd but I didn't think that it would've mattered because I don't think that I'm using an non-T-Mobile US build (it wouldn't work either way).
I wanted to stick it CM9 but for whatever reason it would allow me to update some market apps so for that reason and well as the tethering issue I've switched to Blitz's rom.
My kernel version may actually be outdated (even thought I don't think so)
KV
3.0.16-v1.5.2
SebastianFM#1
Build Number
3.33.401.106 CL391535 release-keys
The first flashing that I did was Revolutionary HD 6.6.7 (i think). It worked fine but had problems as well (not perfect ). I want to change my data plan to the T-Mobile nationwide unlimited 4G plan and save me $35 buck a month to tether my PS3 to my phone. (I can do it now.) To test to see if the rom would allow me access to tethering to my PS3, I switched my wife's sim card and mine to simulate the plan and the phone without having the plan active on my account and it's a no go. I switch the sim cards back, it works just fine. Now she can tether via her phone and via mine (if sim cards are switched) to multiple computers and to the wii.
IF ANYONE HAS THE ABILITY TO HELP, PLEASE PLEASE DO! :crying:

sorandkairi said:
Hey Yall, long time XDA follower and user (HTC Shadow2007), first time "really" posting.
I, for the love of GOD, cannot find out just why I'm not able to use any of my rom's built in tethering for my T-Mobile branded Sensation 4G. I been reading up on T-Mobile US's hidden APN on their network which disable's certain traffics. (Yes I know about spoofing UA Strings for desktops/laptops but this seems to be different, like they are disabling my connection to the PS3 only. In other words, it will find the AP (not ad-hoc) and but not allow for an internet connection.
Lately, I've been switching between CM9 stable(main) and Elegancis (Blitz_3.0.0) roms. I haven't superCID'd but I didn't think that it would've mattered because I don't think that I'm using an non-T-Mobile US build (it wouldn't work either way).
I wanted to stick it CM9 but for whatever reason it would allow me to update some market apps so for that reason and well as the tethering issue I've switched to Blitz's rom.
My kernel version may actually be outdated (even thought I don't think so)
KV
3.0.16-v1.5.2
SebastianFM#1
Build Number
3.33.401.106 CL391535 release-keys
The first flashing that I did was Revolutionary HD 6.6.7 (i think). It worked fine but had problems as well (not perfect ). I want to change my data plan to the T-Mobile nationwide unlimited 4G plan and save me $35 buck a month to tether my PS3 to my phone. (I can do it now.) To test to see if the rom would allow me access to tethering to my PS3, I switched my wife's sim card and mine to simulate the plan and the phone without having the plan active on my account and it's a no go. I switch the sim cards back, it works just fine. Now she can tether via her phone and via mine (if sim cards are switched) to multiple computers and to the wii.
IF ANYONE HAS THE ABILITY TO HELP, PLEASE PLEASE DO! :crying:
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Hi,
Have you tried just using an "OPEN" connection instead of secure?

malybru said:
Hi,
Have you tried just using an "OPEN" connection instead of secure?
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Thank you for replying!
Well it worked one time a week ago with my wife's sim with WPA2. Since then I had already reverted back to CM9 which was my main rom until ... yesterday when I went through the process of putting all the applications from titanium backup on blitz's rom. I was going to change my plan till tomorrow from the $65 10GB tethering (before work discounts) to the $30 Unlimited Internet (before work discounts). I can try it with it being "open" later today but, i honestly don't think that its the problem because when I use my SIM card (the one with tethering enabled by T-Mobile) it connects with or without encryption.
Any ideas? Any roms that you know of that have wifi hotspot (not ad-hoc only) enabled by default? I looked into Grogg88 solution but, at this time it looks to be enabled in Elegancis' roms now anyway or am I missing something?!

sorandkairi said:
Thank you for replying!
Well it worked one time a week ago with my wife's sim with WPA2. Since then I had already reverted back to CM9 which was my main rom until ... yesterday when I went through the process of putting all the applications from titanium backup on blitz's rom. I was going to change my plan till tomorrow from the $65 10GB tethering (before work discounts) to the $30 Unlimited Internet (before work discounts). I can try it with it being "open" later today but, i honestly don't think that its the problem because when I use my SIM card (the one with tethering enabled by T-Mobile) it connects with or without encryption.
Any ideas? Any roms that you know of that have wifi hotspot (not ad-hoc only) enabled by default? I looked into Grogg88 solution but, at this time it looks to be enabled in Elegancis' roms now anyway or am I missing something?!
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Hi,
I have always tethered my tablet to my phone.
It worked both open and secure on Sense ROMS.
When I switched to CM 10, I could only connect with open. (but ,at least it works,which is all I care about )
I have not tried anything like a PS3,so ,I do not know what else to suggest.
Have you tried an app from the market?
I think "Barnacle" is good.

malybru said:
Hi,
I have always tethered my tablet to my phone.
It worked both open and secure on Sense ROMS.
When I switched to CM 10, I could only connect with open. (but ,at least it works,which is all I care about )
I have not tried anything like a PS3,so ,I do not know what else to suggest.
Have you tried an app from the market?
I think "Barnacle" is good.
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I understand! I have tried barnacle, wifi tether beta 3.2 (having trouble even getting to work), um... foxfi with and without additional supplimentary application, none of those actually give an Access Point, none ad-hoc (which the PS3 can only connect to). Hell I even have try usb to computer tethering (via bluetooth, wifi, and wired connections), create a computer "MiFi" hotspot and tried to get my PS3 to connect to that Access Point to no avail. Like I said though, all is good with my sim card but if I use my wife's which has Unlimited Nationwide 4G data service to test her data feature on my phone, past that 1st time I tried it with Blitz's rom last week... and the 2nd/last time I tried... this morning... its a no go.
I don't know what they are blocking my PS3... can they see its MAC address!? I can't imagine that the can really "see" it? Everything else works just fine on her phone tethering to it. Desktops, laptops, tablets,.... my 4 year old son's wii! IDk
I just want to not worry about data shortages (going over 10GB limit) and play Borderlands 2.... GOD IS THAT SO WRONG.
PS. I'm switching home internet providing... that one I had sucked (great speeds60mbps, too high $65-70monthly)... but I'm waiting for a deal in the area.
I'll try open though later. If you know anyone else to ask... tell them to please come to this thread!

You know something? I love how you posted this in 2 separate forums . Next time don't double post.

Jonny said:
You know something? I love how you posted this in 2 separate forums . Next time don't double post.
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Funny... I think I did know that..... You sir/ma'am are a genius! :highfive:
Look instead of "worrying" about 2x posts from someone actually looking for some help for normally helpful ppl... just go do something else! You took time out of your "busy" day just to insert that stupid comment and THEN NOT EVEN HELP. I did what I did because I can't post in the Dev forum because of the 10 post rule... Please again if you're not going to help, just in general, don't reply to people's posts just to flame...