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Hey guys, I am looking into picking up the Asus Transformer...when it becomes available in the US... and had a question.
I was really wanting an application for it like Microsoft OneNote, which allows you to manage your schoolwork very easily. Pretty much a notebook with tabs for different sections and other neat things. It lets you type, and also draw, within the same note. Has anyone found a app for the tablet similar to this? As I will be using this for lots of note taking in Grad. school and was hoping I could find something that would work well for me. Thx in advance
dufran3 said:
Hey guys, I am looking into picking up the Asus Transformer...when it becomes available in the US... and had a question.
I was really wanting an application for it like Microsoft OneNote, which allows you to manage your schoolwork very easily. Pretty much a notebook with tabs for different sections and other neat things. It lets you type, and also draw, within the same note. Has anyone found a app for the tablet similar to this? As I will be using this for lots of note taking in Grad. school and was hoping I could find something that would work well for me. Thx in advance
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MobileNoter has worked great for me on my Nexus, and I believe the developer is working on a tabley/HC version to be released soon. I'm crossing my fingers for inking/drawing support, as I'm needing a good OneNote solution for the transformer when it comes out in the US. Their iPad version looks pretty slick, hopefully we get something similar.
I did take a look at MobileNoter, but it appears to only be able to view notes that were created using OneNote. I'm looking to create the notes on the tablet, hopefully that functionality is out there.
Take a look at evernote, andoird, web app, desktop, emailable, bookmarklets
not many ways left to send data into a note system
I often photograph the flip chart pages after presentations at work.
Evernote is my favorite.
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Evernote and Mobilenoter are not substitutes for Onenote
I used Onenote extensively about 6 years ago on my old school tablet, it is truly a great product. The other do not compare. Nothing is better for school work, taking notes, and organization. As soon as Onenote comes out on Android, with pen input, I will be the first to buy. Until then tablets are a nice toy.
kanegaro said:
I used Onenote extensively about 6 years ago on my old school tablet, it is truly a great product. The other do not compare. Nothing is better for school work, taking notes, and organization. As soon as Onenote comes out on Android, with pen input, I will be the first to buy. Until then tablets are a nice toy.
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Agreed, I'm surprised that a clone isn't being developed as I see OneNote as one of the best applications for a tablet...but that's just me I guess
Its the new world, just use Google Docs
lol, yeh, thanks for the constructive post. I'm well aware of Google Docs and how it isn't exactly what I'm looking for...thx tho
dufran3 said:
lol, yeh, thanks for the constructive post. I'm well aware of Google Docs and how it isn't exactly what I'm looking for...thx tho
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Oh well But there is an office suite with it when you buy it, perhaps that will satisfy your needs.
I would recommended either note everything or evernote.
Evernote. If you want it to back up to a server and note everything if you want to draw
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it seems like most of the people replying to this have either never used onenote, or have only used it once or twice just to see what it is
if you had used it, you would know that the suggestions here are not even remotely comparable to onenote
I hope that there will be something similar soon but I haven't seen anything
there are lots of good note taking apps out there but none of them can begin to compare to onenote when it comes to organization of notes
I wouldn't ever want to try to write notes on a capacitive screen though so I'm sticking with a windows tablet with a wacom active digitizer
dufran3 said:
Hey guys, I am looking into picking up the Asus Transformer...when it becomes available in the US... and had a question.
I was really wanting an application for it like Microsoft OneNote, which allows you to manage your schoolwork very easily. Pretty much a notebook with tabs for different sections and other neat things. It lets you type, and also draw, within the same note. Has anyone found a app for the tablet similar to this? As I will be using this for lots of note taking in Grad. school and was hoping I could find something that would work well for me. Thx in advance
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Check out springpad. I find it easier to use than evernote.
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smaskell said:
it seems like most of the people replying to this have either never used onenote, or have only used it once or twice just to see what it is
if you had used it, you would know that the suggestions here are not even remotely comparable to onenote
I hope that there will be something similar soon but I haven't seen anything
there are lots of good note taking apps out there but none of them can begin to compare to onenote when it comes to organization of notes
I wouldn't ever want to try to write notes on a capacitive screen though so I'm sticking with a windows tablet with a wacom active digitizer
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I like the other programs...Evernote and the like....but I need the ability to "write." Not trying to be a hater, and I'm certainly not a MS-phile, but Onenote is a great product, and combined with pen input, there is no competitor. Why is the capacitive screen so bad for writing? There exists pens for it. I have not had a change to test this out. Is it too cumbersome?
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it seems like most of the people replying to this have either never used onenote, or have only used it once or twice just to see what it is
if you had used it, you would know that the suggestions here are not even remotely comparable to onenote
I hope that there will be something similar soon but I haven't seen anything
there are lots of good note taking apps out there but none of them can begin to compare to onenote when it comes to organization of notes
I wouldn't ever want to try to write notes on a capacitive screen though so I'm sticking with a windows tablet with a wacom active digitizer
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This is why I also have an HP Touchsmart TM2 tablet with a wacom digitizer. I bought this for school mainly to use onenote and use e-textbooks. However, It is still heavy and doesn't have the best battery life so I am also picking up a Transformer.
However, I found myself using this less and less as it was so much faster to grab a pen and paper than to start Windows 7.
I don't think we are going to see anything that is par with Onenote but I think there are a few decent substitutes mentioned that are good for quick notes on a device that is more readily available.
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I like the other programs...Evernote and the like....but I need the ability to "write." Not trying to be a hater, and I'm certainly not a MS-phile, but Onenote is a great product, and combined with pen input, there is no competitor. Why is the capacitive screen so bad for writing? There exists pens for it. I have not had a change to test this out. Is it too cumbersome?
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evernote is certainly an excellent program. I still don't think it compares to onenote but it does have a lot to offer.
As for the capacitive pen vs. active digitizer, it's really hard to explain if you haven't used one. Taking notes with a capacitive pen is certainly do-able but it's just not ideal. A capacitive pen is, of course, not as accurate. that much is given, but there are other things that make an active digitizer just that much better. One of the most important things, as far as I'm concerned, is pressure sensitivity. If you want to do any sort of art, it's basically necessary, but even just for note taking it makes a big difference. It makes your writing just look and feel so much more natural. This is impossible with a capacitive pen. Another key point for me is that, with an active digitizer, you can have buttons on the pen for things. I have right click and alt+tab buttons on the side of my pen(customizable of course) and, most importantly, an eraser button on the back. Searching through menus to find a eraser is such a pain. Just flipping over the pen and erasing the same way you would with an actual pencil is great. This, again, is impossible with a capacitive pen. Yet another great feature is that the active digitizer is the fact that it knows where the pen is, even when it's not touching the screen(within a certain distance of course). This means that you can do mouse-overs and things like that. This isn't nearly as important with android as it is window, but still it's pretty cool. Once again, impossible with a capacitive pen.
I'm sure that there are other features that make active digitizers better but I've rambled on enough already.
Ahhh. I understand. Everything you mentioned above is my experience with pen input i.e. the pressure sensitivity, eraser, multiple buttons. I am going to assume then that capacitive screens are not able to do that, too bad. These were important features that pulled me into the "writing" experience.
How about a tablet wish list.....
1) instant on ability
2) Onenote
3) active digitizer
4) wifi
5) long battery life 7-10 hours
6) thin, convenient to carry.
Just an FYI, Evernote has just received a major update. Now includes a lot of features that are not available on iOS.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20055279-251.html
I could not find that this question has been asked, sorry if it has.
I was wondering if there could be a way for the galaxy note 10.1 to function as a standard wacom tablet for use on a computer through USB or something, like a bamboo or intuos tablet. Possibly even like a cintiq using remote desktop and photoshop?
Just wondering, thanks
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I could not find that this question has been asked, sorry if it has.
I was wondering if there could be a way for the galaxy note 10.1 to function as a standard wacom tablet for use on a computer through USB or something, like a bamboo or intuos tablet. Possibly even like a cintiq using remote desktop and photoshop?
Just wondering, thanks
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When and if the scene gets bigger, im sure it would be possible.."HOPING"
I was also thinking if pressure sensitivity would work through RDP/VNC - that would allow using desktop paiting apps on tablet (although with some limitation - RDP/VNC mostly has less colors and some lag).
Magnesus said:
I was also thinking if pressure sensitivity would work through RDP/VNC - that would allow using desktop paiting apps on tablet (although with some limitation - RDP/VNC mostly has less colors and some lag).
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That's what I was thinking of. I know the remote desktop clients are a little laggy on tablets and maybe not ideal, but at the very least it would be fun to paint with the Note on my PC. I don't know how small the market is for using this tablet like a wacom pad, and the note 10.1 is kind of niche on it's own, but for people like me who draw casually and don't want to drop more cash on a wacom it's ideal.
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That's what I was thinking of. I know the remote desktop clients are a little laggy on tablets and maybe not ideal, but at the very least it would be fun to paint with the Note on my PC. I don't know how small the market is for using this tablet like a wacom pad, and the note 10.1 is kind of niche on it's own, but for people like me who draw casually and don't want to drop more cash on a wacom it's ideal.
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This the main reason why i obtained it, Samsung/Wacom! They knew exactly who to go for, unlike HTC.
Sad though, i was hopping that HTC did grew over it, but nope.
alec.brown said:
I could not find that this question has been asked, sorry if it has.
I was wondering if there could be a way for the galaxy note 10.1 to function as a standard wacom tablet for use on a computer through USB or something, like a bamboo or intuos tablet. Possibly even like a cintiq using remote desktop and photoshop?
Just wondering, thanks
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As a USB-conncected input peripheral - probably not. "Penabled" digitizers such as the one in the SGN10.1 use a different set of software drivers than the Intuos and Bamboo non-display digitizers. This is because the underlying hardware is different; Penabled styli cannot be used interchangeably with Intuos/Bamboo styli, although many of the nibs (regular, felt, stroke) can fit either type of stylus. Technically it may be possible, but Wacom probably wants to maintain a clear distinction between its' product lines.
With remote desktop software - yes, but there may be mismatches of screen resolution which would complicate fine-line drawing control, and pressure response would be lost. And added lag due to the remote connection.
Best to get a Bamboo or Intuos if you really need a graphics tablet for a desktop/laptop - the software drivers allow scaling the digitizer area to single and multiple displays; more levels of pressure response; and stylus tilt response and touchpad controls are available on the Intuos series. (But not cheap - the Intuos 6x8 runs about $350.)
Search for a cheaper intuous 2, 3 or 4 used. They are good tablets, the new ones are not that different in functionality, just thinner (the 4 is just as thin as the 5) as an added bonus you gain pen rotation and the eraser on the other side of the pen (which I use but not everybody does).
If you really want something smaller and don't care about the rotation of the pen then get a bamboo (as usual if you want slightly cheaper get a used older model).
DBBGBA said:
Search for a cheaper intuous 2, 3 or 4 used. They are good tablets, the new ones are not that different in functionality, just thinner (the 4 is just as thin as the 5) as an added bonus you gain pen rotation and the eraser on the other side of the pen (which I use but not everybody does).
If you really want something smaller and don't care about the rotation of the pen then get a bamboo (as usual if you want slightly cheaper get a used older model).
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Yes, good advice - my Intuos2 from 2002 is still good. Doesn't have the touchpad controls of the current Intuos5, but works fine. Wacom driver updates still include the Intuos2, from WinXP to Win7, and probably beyond. Styli, nibs, and most accessories are still available for the Intuos2 as well.
alec.brown said:
I could not find that this question has been asked, sorry if it has.
I was wondering if there could be a way for the galaxy note 10.1 to function as a standard wacom tablet for use on a computer through USB or something, like a bamboo or intuos tablet. Possibly even like a cintiq using remote desktop and photoshop?
Just wondering, thanks
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Getting a Galaxy Note at the end of the week, this is the first thing that crossed my mind, if it could double as a Cintiq. My best guess is that its possible, specially considering the power inside the tablet, and maybe a usb 3.0 connection -____- Still haven't seen any sofware up to it though. I would gladly pay for any software that enabled this. Otherwise, I guess Sketchbook Pro for Android will do, I have used it with a capacitive stylus (ugh) and it did ok, can't wait to get Wacom superpowers on the go =) I also own an old HP PC tablet with an active digitizer, but its to heavy lo lug around daily, and a wacom bamboo for my PC tower, so I have high expectations on this. I just cannot wait to put my hands on the Note.
BTW for the phone Note, there is this, dunno if it works on the tablet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_JeueI7aLE
Ayle87 said:
Getting a Galaxy Note at the end of the week, this is the first thing that crossed my mind, if it could double as a Cintiq. My best guess is that its possible, specially considering the power inside the tablet, and maybe a usb 3.0 connection -____- Still haven't seen any sofware up to it though. I would gladly pay for any software that enabled this. Otherwise, I guess Sketchbook Pro for Android will do, I have used it with a capacitive stylus (ugh) and it did ok, can't wait to get Wacom superpowers on the go =) I also own an old HP PC tablet with an active digitizer, but its to heavy lo lug around daily, and a wacom bamboo for my PC tower, so I have high expectations on this. I just cannot wait to put my hands on the Note.
BTW for the phone Note, there is this, dunno if it works on the tablet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_JeueI7aLE
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Wow, see this:
http://www.piip.lv/galaxy_note_digitizer_graphics_tablet_for_pc.html
And at another tread, Angelo Troedhan told us about app "Unified Remote" , I think soon we would have full cintiq powers and use our device also with desktop software.
A similar thread is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869803
Sorry if I didn't find this one before starting the "duplicated" linked one
Nimel said:
Wow, see this:
http://www.piip.lv/galaxy_note_digitizer_graphics_tablet_for_pc.html
And at another tread, Angelo Troedhan told us about app "Unified Remote" , I think soon we would have full cintiq powers and use our device also with desktop software.
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Yeah that's the link on the youtube video. Thought it does what a Bamboo would do, I would like to see if using it as a cintiq is possible. For the cool factor, really
The reasons Galaxy Note 10.1 has potential to become drawing tablet are... 1,024 pressure sensitivity(about 4 times higher than Note) and it's big enough to actually draw on it.
I will buy any app that transform Galaxy Note 10.1 to Wacom Especially if it works with Ubuntu.
Hi Everyone,
I registered on xda-developers just to post on this thread. I'm getting into Android app development, and I will be getting a Galaxy Note 10.1 in a few days. Like many others, one of the first ideas that came to mind after playing around with the Note was finding a way to use it as a writing tablet (WACOM style) for PC. I do a lot of tutoring and having an affordable way to provide a screencast of what I'm drawing to students when working out a problem or teaching would be very useful for me.
I'm planning on writing a simple app to let Note users control their PCs with the S Pen. From there, using some PC based software to transmit a screencast over skype for example should be straightforward. I think the most difficult part will be getting pressure sensitivity information to the PC and into applications, since usual ways of emulating input are just to control the mouse pointer position, and button and keypresses.
I'm not sure how long it'll take, but it's nice to know that there are other people out there who would be interested in this kind of functionality.
develapper said:
Hi Everyone,
I registered on xda-developers just to post on this thread. I'm getting into Android app development, and I will be getting a Galaxy Note 10.1 in a few days. Like many others, one of the first ideas that came to mind after playing around with the Note was finding a way to use it as a writing tablet (WACOM style) for PC. I do a lot of tutoring and having an affordable way to provide a screencast of what I'm drawing to students when working out a problem or teaching would be very useful for me.
I'm planning on writing a simple app to let Note users control their PCs with the S Pen. From there, using some PC based software to transmit a screencast over skype for example should be straightforward. I think the most difficult part will be getting pressure sensitivity information to the PC and into applications, since usual ways of emulating input are just to control the mouse pointer position, and button and keypresses.
I'm not sure how long it'll take, but it's nice to know that there are other people out there who would be interested in this kind of functionality.
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Wow, it You succeed You would be a lotta people's heroe including me :laugh:
As I wrote in my OP on this issue the way to a full functional Wacom dig tab function of Note 10.1 could be managed like THIS:
Basic prerequisites:
Note 10.1's digitizer FACTUALLY IS a WaCom digitizer ! I have the Bamboo digitizer connected to my PC via the wireless USB dongle.
Step one:
Download "Bamboo" drivers to PC
Step two:
Write a WiFi and Bluetooth connection interface for Note 10.1 to transmit digitizer info from Note 10.1 to the installed PC drivers via WiFi or Bluetooth
Step three:
Create an app for Note 10.1 that resembles the physical surface of the Bamboo dig tab including multi-touch input (e.g. two-three and four finger swipe functionality) and the four hardware buttons.
?.................... could You finish this over the weekend please ..............? :laugh::good::laugh::laugh:
?.................... could You finish this over the weekend please ..............?
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It would be a miracle if I do, I think lol
I agree with your idea of how to go about building this, except that I think using the current Bamboo drivers might not be so easy. The drivers will be expecting a real Bamboo tablet to be connected to the computer over USB (direct or wireless dongle) and will communicate with it directly. To be able to use the original Bamboo drivers, we'd have to reverse engineer the communication between a real Bamboo tablet and the drivers, and then somehow write a new device driver that pretends to be a USB device, and then communicates on one side with the Note (not impossible) but on the other side pretends to be a real Bamboo tablet to communicate with the real Bamboo drivers, the same way a real Bamboo tablet does.
What I'm thinking (still have to look into it) is that Wacom probably published some kind of documentation for how third party apps can use the tablet input including pressure sensitivity. This will tell us how for example Photoshop retrieves pressure sensitivity input.
Maybe this project won't be very simple after all.
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What I'm thinking (still have to look into it) is that Wacom probably published some kind of documentation for how third party apps can use the tablet input including pressure sensitivity. This will tell us how for example Photoshop retrieves pressure sensitivity input.
Maybe this project won't be very simple after all.
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Maybe this link can be useful?
Maybe this link can be useful?
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I looked at that link, it looks like the software part of the development kit isn't available online, only by email if you buy the hardware development kit.
I did a bunch more research and talked to an engineer at Wacom USA, and I think I have a fairly good picture of how this whole thing works.
Essentially, Wacom tablets are USB devices. There are two ways a digitizer tablet can get its information into an application.
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The USB protocol includes the HID device class, which any USB device can claim to be. Within the HID device class is a category for digitizers. When an OS finds a USB device plugged in that claims to be an HID digitizer, the basic drivers in the OD take the info (X, Y, pressure, tilt, etc) that the device provides, and makes it available through it's own APIs. In Windows, the Windows Ink API does this. It's pretty recent, and I don't think too many applications use it.
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The device can have a custom device driver, which communicates with another subsystem running on the host machine (on Windows it's called wintab), which then communicates with applications like Photoshop. Wintab exposes an API to applications to allow them to get events and info from the digitizer. Wintab is maintained by Wacom and is an open industry standard. Most hardcore stylus apps (photoshop, corel draw etc) use wintab to get stylus info.
The Wacom engineer told me that writing a device driver that will communicate with wintab is a very difficult and long process, and usually takes hardware manufacturers years.
On the other hand, exposing the Note's SPen data (X, Y, pressure) as a USB HID device is equally difficult - it requires writing some kind of virtual USB device driver, which fools windows into thinking a real USB HID digitizer is attached. This would also only make the SPen data available through Windows Ink, which would be useless for everyone uses real stylus applications.
So basically, this project is not very possible, unless someone can come up with a very clever way around all these problems.
In the meantime, I'm going to write a very simple S Pen compatible VNC client for Galaxy Note. VNC servers are cross platform (I use Ubuntu & Windows) and VNC clients are very straightforward. With SPen and palm rejection, this could at least allow someone to use the Galaxy Note as a drawing tablet, albeit with no pressure sensitivity.
I was afraid that what you report could be the outcome of your research.
Your points are very much reasonable and it's also equally reasonable that the Wacom technology, available on the GNote, cannot be so easily exploited as to make the GNote a valid substitute of a Wacom commercial and separately sold product.
Nonetheless your "limited features" project could be very useful for us.
I've recently experimented using Splashtop 2 HD: when opening a basic paint program (MS Paint) on my W7 PC and using Splashtop 2 HD on the GNote it's possible to make drawings with the S Pen.
With this app the pen's responsiveness and accuracy is not bad, but also not completely satisfactory (but I can understand that's not the main scope of such an app) and, of course there's no pressure sensitivity...
Anyway, all this means that it's really possible to have some features of a graphics tablet through the GNote and there's a possible way to go.
I think that an app specifically designed for that could have a very good performance (and ways better than what you can achieve with a generic "remote desktop" app like Splashtop 2 HD) and a good response from Gnote users.
But, for sure, if anyone could find a smart way to read (or simulate) the pressure sensitivity, it could be a wonderful advance in the desired direction.
air display
I use air display and sometime idisplay as an input device with the PC and Mac at home. It turns your phone into a second display, but the lag is noticeable.
air display - works on ios, android, pc and mac
idisplay
If your project install the driver direct on the PC, that would be really wonderful!
They are different operating systems i know and cant be compared. but I'm hesitant for any of these tablets. I love android and this would be my third tablet (actually only keep one, earlier donated it to my family). But my problem is android tablet-specific applications, many of which are stretched versions of the phone or simply lack of design. Applications for Windows 8 RT are few but all are focused on tablet but there are 50% decent that look great and really tablet friendly. Android for me was the customization and power to get ROMS but lately I see that IOS or Windows already have apps that do the same, maybe not at the same level but they do. And customization is getting really stall because every os is adding stuff that ROMs have. I know that many reviewers wont recommend Windows RT but the vivotab comes with windows 8 +RT and cost the same as the galaxy note 10.1 also it has 5 touch point and the s-pen ( i think every windows tablet comes with the s-pen) . I just want to know if anyone with the note 10.1 like the windows 8 tablet or find it more productive . Im not starting a fight about OS but i want to know how people feel about both tablets for work related aplication.Sorry about my english feel free to correct me. thank you
I start by saying that this is just me and my opinion only obviously. Windows is for "windows people" which is to say they want to turn it on,have it work and fancy it up with the options Windows gives them. It can only be customized so far. Now that's not to say it's less productive by any means. I've checked out their foray into tablets and it only reminds me of everything else they do, which I don't like. I stopped using Windows as a main OS long ago. If I do use it, it's a VB and even that is extremely limited.
As far as a comparison goes, most tablets are useful for your basic needs and even limited professional needs. I just happen to prefer open source stuff.
I hate Samsung phones, hate them. I actually debated for a long time before I bought this tablet because of my "Samsung bias" and almost went with a Windows unit. In the end I felt this tablet suited my needs more and was more "me" if that Mae's any sense.
The best advice I can give is test them both out and then test them again, and then again. I did and I don't regret my purchase for one second. Maybe this helps you,maybe not but either way best of luck with your decision.
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The best advice I can give is test them both out and then test them again, and then again. I did and I don't regret my purchase for one second. Maybe this helps you,maybe not but either way best of luck with your decision.
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I love android tablet too and agree that maybe tablets will not replace a desktop PC for productivity, but i find myself in time to upgrade
i bought the motorola xoom on day one and it was 7 months of hell using honeycomb (im sure windows RT users will know that by now but im more interested in a windows 8 tablet which is the vivotab smart and apps that work for windows 8 will work here.
im not trying in anyway to change peoples mind about galaxy note 10.1 but i would like to hear someone who have touched a windows 8 tab and tell me if its a good buy or will it not replace android any day. I have not seen any windows 8 review that is honest and not try to compare android/IOS/windows
First and foremost, you are right. Windows RT and Android are different.
Also, both form factors are different as well.
I usually recommend the Note 10.1 over its performance and S-Pen, but only for people who would actually use it. If you take lots of notes, or need to make a quick sketch, or if you are a student, even if you work woth a lot of papers and you need an all-in-one productivity tool, note taking board and Internet device, with all the extras that a powerful configuration has to offer, the Note 10.1 is the one to go for.
If what you need is a fast, Internet surfing machine, basic stuff like searching e-mail, social feeds, playing a game or two and use all that in a simple, modern, clean interface, go for the Vivotab. You also get Office suite, which is good for some in some cases.
I have used a Note 10.1 and a Samsung ATIV SmartPC Pro, and I must say, even though both tablets have S-Pen, (and God that Ativ hybrid is gorgeous), I still prefer the Note. It's up to you and your personal choice. I bought the Note anyways because it was that "finally-device" for my first true Android tablet. Even if some reviews were messed up (drunk reviewers? Jokes).
At the end of the day, I always knew I wanted this tablet as soon as it was announced. It's great for me as a student and as a worker as well. It's a great, efficient and powerful companion that never lets me down. But if you prefer keyboard+simple usage+office, go for the vivotab.
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I love windows. I'm a windows guy. I can take apart, put together, overclock, underclock, bypass, or anything on earth I want to do with any windows based machine. That said windows RT is not my favorite. Surface with windows pro will be out soon so if your going windows on a tablet id wait for that one. Full pc capabilities. Your not gonna be flash restricted in a year and then there's silverlight as well.
BUT, on a tablet you may also want to consider windows tablets have much less battery life, are ram restrictive, in the growing stage so apps are limited, weigh a lot more, are not as community supported as android, the new one's scheduled for release this year with full windows are running i5 which is awesome but comes at a price. Noise. Lots of noise. Those cpu get hot so must be fan cooled, noise noise noise. Android? Blessed silence. Heat. Anyone whos ever held a laptop knows about the hot spots. If you have a fan there will be a hot spot and the back is likely to get warm as well.
Overall, though im admittedly a windows lover, I choose android on a tablet. And I wont speak about apple as I hate their business model with a purple passion.
Well, i am an Android guy, but thats about phones. On a tablet, I think Asus Vivotab Smart is a good choice. Mine will be shipped tomorrow. It is a Cloverfield tablet, so it runs full blown W8. Apps are no problem here. Battery life is ok due to the low power 2760 cpu, which outperforms tegra 3 and Kraits. And it is affordable. I got mine for less than 500 Euro. So it might worth take a look.
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They are different operating systems i know and cant be compared. but I'm hesitant for any of these tablets. I love android and this would be my third tablet (actually only keep one, earlier donated it to my family). But my problem is android tablet-specific applications, many of which are stretched versions of the phone or simply lack of design. Applications for Windows 8 RT are few but all are focused on tablet but there are 50% decent that look great and really tablet friendly. Android for me was the customization and power to get ROMS but lately I see that IOS or Windows already have apps that do the same, maybe not at the same level but they do. And customization is getting really stall because every os is adding stuff that ROMs have. I know that many reviewers wont recommend Windows RT but the vivotab comes with windows 8 +RT and cost the same as the galaxy note 10.1 also it has 5 touch point and the s-pen ( i think every windows tablet comes with the s-pen) . I just want to know if anyone with the note 10.1 like the windows 8 tablet or find it more productive . Im not starting a fight about OS but i want to know how people feel about both tablets for work related aplication.Sorry about my english feel free to correct me. thank you
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Hi Jerses,
I've had the Asus VivoTab Smart for about a week now, and so far it's been great. I've loaded Office 2010 Pro onto the device and haven't noticed any lag in load times etc. Having a full version of Word, Excel and OneNote are a must for me, and this tablet fits the bill nicely (it's also the cheapest over here in NZ). I did think I'd need Outlook as well, but I'm finding the built in Mail app works fine - it's nice and fast for reading email on the go, displays HTML email fine, and needs nearly all my needs. I do refer to Outlook for some of the heavy lifting (scheduling meetings etc).
I mainly use for work, so haven't used video or music much.
this table doesn't have a stylus (as noted before) - but you can use one of those 'generic' stylus (like the ones for the iPad) which work fine. I personally think Windows tablet developers are missing a trick here, the Windows handwriting recoginition is out of this world - it reads my scrawl better than I do.
Overall, for an easy to use, not much customisation needed, tablet - I'd highly reccomend this one.
KD.
I leaned a lot for the Galaxy Note stylus 10.01 but there are not many applications for android that support this pen ... I imagine that in the future things may change but by then it will be time to update my tablet back.
I did some research on the stylus you say and there are very good choices, from typical sausage tip, a fine-point stylus (Adonith jot) to one that emulates an S-PEN, same functions to nullify the palm (jot Touch) and pressure sensitive. The latter is ipad but no doubt that technology pass android or windows 8.
I feel bad for leaving behind android, I actually really like the OS but I feel still very green to the world of tablets and that some apps feel more like they where made for a 7" tablet. Also im kind of scared of this seen how bad apps (Phone/Tablet) look on the nexus 10... i think that proves that having one app fits all is not going to work in near future.
So I think I opt for the smart vivotab think android will live in me .... maybe as BlueStacks or dualboot lol
I really prefer android over apple for both phones and tablets (own apple and android in both). I can't speak intelligently about windows 8. I can say this as a first time android Note 10.1 tablet owner - I bought 2 of these for my 6th & 4th grade kids since they wanted apps (games mostly) and I wanted them to be able to do their homework for school (light use of "word and excel"). Overall the notes are a great single quiver solution and we are all extremely happy with them. But, I have to say if my kids were in High school or college I think the challenges we have in some instances with printing and converting polaris office files to word and excel I would absolutely take a hard look at a Windows pro tablet or even laptop. Maybe it isn't fair since we've only had our Notes for 4 weeks but printing anything not portrait is a chore and coming from a strong Word and Excel background leaves me wishing Polaris Office had a lot more capability.
i'd actually love to get a win 8 tab (not rt). no rooting, no waiting on updates from mfg's and running any windows program. what i do hate is the 16:9 screen ratio. it's just too elongated for me.
I was really keen on getting a Surface, but in the end I decided on the Note. It actually came down to one main point, I can't type on the Surface in portrait mode. I loved the integrated keyboard and cover of the Surface and lamented that something similar wasn't available for the Note. I bought a BT keyboard with a stand so I can have the Note in either landscape or portrait depending on my needs, as soon as I can find one that integrates with the Note as a cover I will buy that.
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Just for some clarification, the VivoTab Smart seems to run full Windows 8, not RT (it has an Intel Atom (x86) processor). Won't be nearly as locked down as RT, and might be decent if you rely on some Windows apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38329609&postcount=11
Don't forget you can run android on x86 machine. You can dual boot android and windows 8 on the asus vivatab smart.
Nothing beat having a standard keyboard on the screen with all the copy/paste ctrl alt characters and shortcut up/down/left/right buttons etc you have on a standard windows. windows 8 has everything you need for a tablet and more more more more. the asus at 499$ worth any peny believe me. maj-left or right to select ... the end of the tablet copy/paste nightmare on phones and tablets.
I'm in the market for a new tablet as well. I have a Motorola Xoom and while it served it's purpose, it didn't quite cut it as a tablet for me. Why? Well first of all, the performance just isn't very good. I've installed several roms on it and it just gets very laggy and unresponsive after a while. The second thing is the weight. I can't comfortably use it as an e-book reader in bed, which is a big want for me.
I went to Best Buy and played around with a few tablets and was really impressed by the Asus Vivo Tab. It was light, very responsive, and after watching a few HD videos on it and playing with it a while, it never got warm. My bit drawbacks for it are first and foremost, it's running Windows 8, which is good and bad. The good is that it'll run native x86 apps, the bad is that it's Windows 8. Will I need to instal Antivirus on it? Can I anticipate BSOD? Not that you can't get lock ups on Android, I've had plenty on my Xoom. Finally, I've read it's useless for all but the most basic gaming (think Angry Birds). I don't game on my tablet at all but my son does.. but then again, he has my old iphone to game on so gaming's not a big deal.
I'm wondering how Bluestacks runs on it though. Anyone tried running Bluestacks on one of these?
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Hi guys
Please help me to decide which tablet to buy. I have been looking at both the Asus VivoTab and the Samsung Galaxy Note. I am not at all tech savvy so must of what you talk about goes right over my head. I want a tablet to take overseas with me. I want to watch movies, surf the net, catch up on my emails, read a book and play the occasional game.
Just give me a really quick idea of which one will suit my needs.
Thanks
They both suit your needs, you only have to ask yourself if you prefer to work with pen or keyboard.
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They both suit your needs, you only have to ask yourself if you prefer to work with pen or keyboard.
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Is that really the only diference? I have been going mad looking at all the specs etc.. Is one easier to use than the other? All help gratefully accepted.
Thanks
Other differences won't really make a dent in your intended usage. Ease of use will be more important than any technical discrepancies.
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Other differences won't really make a dent in your intended usage. Ease of use will be more important than any technical discrepancies.
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My husband and I went out this morning to have a good look at both units and at this stage I am pretty sure that we are going to go with the Samsung.
Thanks for all the input.
I am a graphic artist who has been using a Wacom tablet for the last 20 years. I can't STAND using my computer any other way (at least for real work). The touchpad is okay for general surfing and it's great in conjunction with the tablet but for my real work, there's no other way of doing it. For my full blown work I use a Mac but for all my portable devices, I like Android. All my smartphones have been Android but I've not gotten a tablet yet because I really haven't seen one that works for what I would really want a tablet for, which is being able to do my job on the go effectively. Sure the Galaxy Note tablets are a good step in that direction but from all the stuff I've seen it's not really a "pro" level device.
In an ideal world (speaking as a designer) Apple would create a Macbook tablet with a wacom digitizer but I really doubt that will EVER happen. A tablet running a full blown OS X, not an iPad. They even have a patent for a tablet that docks into an "iMac" style housing and becomes a full system and then slides out to be a fully functional, stand alone tablet system but they've never done anything with it. THAT would be MY holy grail. BUT, until they do, I guess the best option is the Cintiq Companion Hybrid. I LOATHE WINDOWS so going to the regular companion isn't an option, that leaves the Hybrid.
When I saw the announcement of the Wacom Cintiq Companion Hybrid, I really like the concept but I'm wondering how good it really is. The cost SEEMS outrageous but when you look at it as a fully functional Cintiq to use WITH my Mac and then it pulls off to be a self contained portable studio, then it is a LITTLE more reasonable. I've seen reviews of it as a Cintiq and everything I've seen says it's a great tablet for use with a Mac and the other parts of the reviews say the portable software that comes with it is good and the other high-end portable software seems to be a good analog to what it would be transferred to on the Mac. That leaves the last question, how good is it as a stand-alone tablet?
That's what I'm wondering now, if I intend on investing the kind of money they are asking, I want to know if the rest of the Android Tablet part of it is really good as well. It comes with 4.2.2 but none of the reviewers have detailed anything about the day to day use of it. Most are completely unfamiliar with the Android OS anyway. They are mostly Apple-heads and only use iPhones and iPads when not using their Macs. I'm wondering when we will see ANDROID reviewers review it. I know it's a very odd category but I don't want to get a GREAT expensive Wacom tablet that is abismal as an Android tablet as well. Has anyone around here gotten thier hands on one? If so, what do you think?
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I am a graphic artist who has been using a Wacom tablet for the last 20 years. I can't STAND using my computer any other way (at least for real work). The touchpad is okay for general surfing and it's great in conjunction with the tablet but for my real work, there's no other way of doing it. For my full blown work I use a Mac but for all my portable devices, I like Android. All my smartphones have been Android but I've not gotten a tablet yet because I really haven't seen one that works for what I would really want a tablet for, which is being able to do my job on the go effectively. Sure the Galaxy Note tablets are a good step in that direction but from all the stuff I've seen it's not really a "pro" level device.
In an ideal world (speaking as a designer) Apple would create a Macbook tablet with a wacom digitizer but I really doubt that will EVER happen. A tablet running a full blown OS X, not an iPad. They even have a patent for a tablet that docks into an "iMac" style housing and becomes a full system and then slides out to be a fully functional, stand alone tablet system but they've never done anything with it. THAT would be MY holy grail. BUT, until they do, I guess the best option is the Cintiq Companion Hybrid. I LOATHE WINDOWS so going to the regular companion isn't an option, that leaves the Hybrid.
When I saw the announcement of the Wacom Cintiq Companion Hybrid, I really like the concept but I'm wondering how good it really is. The cost SEEMS outrageous but when you look at it as a fully functional Cintiq to use WITH my Mac and then it pulls off to be a self contained portable studio, then it is a LITTLE more reasonable. I've seen reviews of it as a Cintiq and everything I've seen says it's a great tablet for use with a Mac and the other parts of the reviews say the portable software that comes with it is good and the other high-end portable software seems to be a good analog to what it would be transferred to on the Mac. That leaves the last question, how good is it as a stand-alone tablet?
That's what I'm wondering now, if I intend on investing the kind of money they are asking, I want to know if the rest of the Android Tablet part of it is really good as well. It comes with 4.2.2 but none of the reviewers have detailed anything about the day to day use of it. Most are completely unfamiliar with the Android OS anyway. They are mostly Apple-heads and only use iPhones and iPads when not using their Macs. I'm wondering when we will see ANDROID reviewers review it. I know it's a very odd category but I don't want to get a GREAT expensive Wacom tablet that is abismal as an Android tablet as well. Has anyone around here gotten thier hands on one? If so, what do you think?
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Hey, I know this is a 3 month old thread, but maybe someone will find it useful.
I've been using the Cintiq Companion Hybrid for almost 2 months now, and almost exclusively.
First of all, the quality of the tablet is extremely high. It's exactly what one would expect from a Wacom product. There are unboxing and hands-on videos on YouTube showcasing how much thought has gone into this model.
This is the first time I've used a Wacom tablet, and when compared to UC-Logic or N-trig, this is much superior. Obviously, I fell in love with this tablet as soon as I opened the box and kept on getting more and more impressed as I was using it.
As for the Android part, it's pretty basic, except with the addition of some Wacom drawing programs. However, Sketchbook Pro is still the best choice when it comes to drawing on Android, and the matte surface of the tablet makes this the ideal combination. Wacom's Infinite Canvas is a great choice for vector drawing, and currently the only choice for me.
Now, the OS has shown a few bugs. Sometimes it will lag and revert back to its original background. Yesterday I connected it to a PC (Windows), and at some point it malfunctioned, started lagging, and then, after rebooting, I had lost some files from the internal storage as well as my external SD. Managed to get most of the files back from the external SD, but not from the internal storage, since I can't root, and therefore can't use any Android-based recovery programs. I don't know if this is specific to me or if it's a bug on all models.
Also, when connecting SD cards or USB drives (using the standard USB port -- no micro-USB or OTG, thankfully), navigating to them is somewhat unorthodox in that I have to go to the mount folder and guess where it's loaded.
The processors are pretty fast, and there's no lagging when playing graphic intensive games. Browsing the internet is much more enjoyable than Android 3.1 and before (I still haven't gotten used of the single mouse click, but Mac users won't have a problem). 1080p movies play fine, and when using HDMI-out, everything is smooth. I don't recommend watching a film in bed, as the Hybrid is too heavy to have on your chest when you're about to sleep (also stands for Kindle or comic book reading). Response is great when using the pen, as well when using the tablet.
I haven't been using the hardware keys much, but I find more use for them when in Cintiq mode.
As a Cintiq, things are butter smooth, except for some occasions when I have to disconnect and reconnect the tablet when I first connect it to the PC to get the pen functioning properly (this only happens once, if at all, and only when I first connect the tablet to the PC as a Cintiq). Files can be transferred to the PC instantly, and work is much easier.
I've also used a MIDI controller to play music on the Companion, and the only bug I've found is it locks when disconnecting, but that may very well be a bug of the software I'm using.
Skype, torrents and emulators are all fine. But I doubt any tablets show problems with those.
Typing on the Hybrid with its bigger touch-keys is great (Hacker's Keyboard is a great alternative), and closer to keyboard typing than other tablets.
The tablet's battery life is slightly less than 12 hours of constant use on high performance. I don't have WiFi enabled all the time, since up until recently I had another tablet for that. I'm kind of stingy when it comes to its battery since I love the fact that I can work on it anywhere and on-the-go. Since it's so portable, I like being able to use it wherever and whenever I'm awake, so I try to avoid spending the battery on things I can do without.
Now for the stinkers:
I absolutely hate the lens of its 8mp camera. It's horrible. Lighting is bad, definition is bad, colours are bad. You can use it to get reference material for drawing sketching, but that's about it. You won't be using it for anything else but reference drawing sketching material.
The microphone is not great either. Fuzzy and unclear. Purely only for voice notes. Skype calls are ok-ish. But that's about it.
Lastly, the speaker is terrible. Its volume is too low, badly placed and not clear enough. It's a terrible speaker.
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Overall, I am in love with this tablet. My PC recently broke down, so I've been borrowing a laptop when I have to use the Cintiq side (not often yet, mainly due to the lack of a "full-time" PC), but for everything else, I've been using the Companion's Android side.
I am quite sure I covered everything. I will update accordingly.
Thanks for the rundown on it. Sounds pretty much like what I keep hearing. The Wacom Cintiq aspect of it is incredible (I've been using Wacom for over 20 years so that's no surprise) but "your mileage may vary" on the Android part depending on what you specifically hope to accomplish. Biggest chance in it is whether or not Wacom will maintain the Android side of it or let it die on the vine and essentially revert to being just a battery powered 13HD within a couple of years. I haven't heard Wacom commit either way.
As for build quality, I'm not surprised. Wacom KNOWS how to build equipment well. I really didn't expect the camera to be much. I don't ever really consider the quality of the camera being that big a deal on tablets. Although, for $1300-$1600, you'd think they'd put a decent lens in there. They keep marketing it as a Cintiq that happens to run Android rather than an Android tablet.
As for the "single click" thing, you can always program the button (top half or bottom half) to have a "right click" functionality to give you that capability. That's the way I have it on the different Wacom tablets I have.
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As for the "single click" thing, you can always program the button (top half or bottom half) to have a "right click" functionality to give you that capability. That's the way I have it on the different Wacom tablets I have.
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Sorry for not making it clear. I was referring to an actual USB mouse connected to the tablet. I sometimes connect a mouse when I prop it up like a notebook. Old habits die hard.
Cintiq dead before its started Will die soon
Ok so I too have got the cintiq companion hybrid which runs on a pitiful 4.2.1 now I know I know at £1500 what did I expect errrmmm K I T K A T would have been nice Wacom, well with the announcement that Android will no longer support 4.2 soon the tablet will become a slate which is why Wacom was so desperate to throw them out there before this was announced.
They even started sending them out for free for 40 days trial if you dont like send back again before the notice of Android version being obsolete.
I have been on XDA Developers since well my first XDA and like many i would imagine get your new unit and immediately come on here for the updated rom etc. Wacom we are on our own any Guru on here wouldnt dare buy this piece of crap save 800 and get the 13hd want a great tablet get the Note 4 10.1
Sorry RANT over but I hope those with the Wacom share my concern a lot of money for a unit that to be fair had we know it would be stuck on 10.1 would have ordered a 15" wacom pen enabled tablet from China instead which are also stuck on 4.2 but for a fraction of the price and bigger.
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Sorry for not making it clear. I was referring to an actual USB mouse connected to the tablet. I sometimes connect a mouse when I prop it up like a notebook. Old habits die hard.
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XP-Pen Artist 15.6 Pro Drawing tablet With Screen
Wacom Cintiq Companion is a self-contained Windows computer with the full Wacom graphics tablet features already built in, which can also be used as a 'dumb' graphics tablet when connected to a Mac or PC.
Essentially, you can use this to draw, sketch and paint at your desk hooked up to your main computer, and draw, sketch and paint directly on it while sitting on the sofa or outside.
this Cintiq Companion 2 can be used at a desk as a graphics tablet for your regular computer, but because it also runs Windows, you can use full, familiar versions of Painter, Photoshop and so on when away from your workstation.
The nearest thing it has to a rival is the Microsoft Surface tablet, but this has neither Wacom's heritage nor chops when it comes to rich drawing tools. The iPad Pro is an excellent tablet but cannot be called a competitor here due to its mobile operating system.
It's a solid investment for digital illustrators who want flexibility. However, if you don't need to use it away from your desk, you could save money and purchase the XP-pen Artist 15.6 Pro , or benefit from a bigger drawing area with the slightly more expensive Artist 22E Pro .
I currently use a XP-Pen Artist 15.6 Pro Drawing tablet With Screen ( xp-pen.com/goods/show/id/394.html ) . It is a cintiq downgrade, but only because it does not have the muti-touch like the cintiq does. it support pen tilt function , 8192 pen pressure levels , battery-free and wireless stylus . 88% NTSC Color gamut , 1920x1080 resolution , 15.6 inch IPS Screen , it has no parallax , no lag .
Overall its an amazing tablet and I do suggest it! It works amazing for me, and personally, I improved a lot while using it.
The only problems, however, is that it always has to be plugged into a PC , Though it is lightweight and works great, the graphics are nice, and its only $439 .
So I am in a bit of dilemma at the moment I am physicist and I would like to stop using lab books and move to something more electronic to store my notes / plots etc. My main uses are writing notes, making tables, formulas and annotating papers/powerpoints.
There are two tablets which I was considering one as you might have guessed is the galaxy note 12.2 and the surface pro 3. Originally I was considering the surface pro 3 because of its supposed to be the most accurate for the stylus integration. However once I tried the galaxy note 10.1 2014 edition (admittedly I haven't tired 12.2 but I guessed the s-pen integration was the same in the 10.1) I found it almost to be as accurate as the surface pro 3 and I actually found writing on the screen a little nicer, I preferred the resistance (However that might have been due to the rather damaged s pen).
So my question is has anyone done a comparison? or have both? to help me decide. At the minute the Note pro 12.2 is around £389 at the minute and the surface is £549 (at its cheapest) so the note pro is considerably cheaper.
Also just a few other questions, how is the s pen for taking notes? Using this as a lab book replacement I need a good syncing tool, how well does evernote deal with hand writing recognition?. This is the other reason I was drawn to surface was because of OneNote.
Also I just wanted to point out I am not looking for a laptop replacement (although it would be handy when I don't have my macbook with me) ideally what should come first is how good the particular tablet is making notes and keeping my notes organised.
Thanks for all you help in advance.
James
To the moderators, my apologies I didn't see the sticky at the top of the forum, could you please move this to the Q&A section.
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To the moderators, my apologies I didn't see the sticky at the top of the forum, could you please move this to the Q&A section.
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My views on this:
I've had the notes 1, 2, 3 and am currently waiting for the note 4
My son has the note 8
I've also has the Surface Pro 1, 2 and currently have the 3 (and LOVE IT)
I also have a Note pro 12.2
So i consider myself a bit of an experienced expert of stylus driven machines
The first and biggest thing you'll notice about the SP3 stylus is that it FEELS a lot nicer in the hand. Its a normal pen size and weight. This is a pretty big thing... and coupled with the OneNote built in functionality on a windows platform... this thing is sex on your lap.
(OneNote is a *massively* underrated app. I thoroughly recommend you get to know it... to me it rivals Excel in capability)
The Note range of stylus are all compatible with each other AND the Surface Pro 1 and 2. but NOT the Surface Pro 3. the SP3 uses very different technology (not wacom) and Bluetooth linked.
I suspect that if you can handle the lack of 3G connectivity, the SP3 will better suit your needs.
(btw just a heads up, the i7 model of SP3 has some thermal cut out issues, you might want to use the i5 model until MS can fix their thermal issues.)
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So I am in a bit of dilemma at the moment I am physicist and I would like to stop using lab books and move to something more electronic to store my notes / plots etc. My main uses are writing notes, making tables, formulas and annotating papers/powerpoints.
There are two tablets which I was considering one as you might have guessed is the galaxy note 12.2 and the surface pro 3. Originally I was considering the surface pro 3 because of its supposed to be the most accurate for the stylus integration. However once I tried the galaxy note 10.1 2014 edition (admittedly I haven't tired 12.2 but I guessed the s-pen integration was the same in the 10.1) I found it almost to be as accurate as the surface pro 3 and I actually found writing on the screen a little nicer, I preferred the resistance (However that might have been due to the rather damaged s pen).
So my question is has anyone done a comparison? or have both? to help me decide. At the minute the Note pro 12.2 is around £389 at the minute and the surface is £549 (at its cheapest) so the note pro is considerably cheaper.
Also just a few other questions, how is the s pen for taking notes? Using this as a lab book replacement I need a good syncing tool, how well does evernote deal with hand writing recognition?. This is the other reason I was drawn to surface was because of OneNote.
Also I just wanted to point out I am not looking for a laptop replacement (although it would be handy when I don't have my macbook with me) ideally what should come first is how good the particular tablet is making notes and keeping my notes organised.
Thanks for all you help in advance.
James
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Well, since you don't mention needing any real tablet functionality or android specific apps, and you do mention functionality (tables, hw recognition, etc) I would say the SP3 is a clear winner. The horsepower of the SP3 and the fluidity of OneNote with the full desktop version and all of it's capability and the ability to hop into Excel/Word if needed or run as a full laptop in a pinch with the the type cover and built-in stand puts the SP3 head and shoulders above the Note Pro 12.2
If you needed lighter weight note taking along with Android app functionality, and or WWAN capability then obviously the Note Pro would be better.
Admittingly, I also fully agree with everything that has been mentioned here. Not to branch off topic, but I remember in the early years when tablet manufacturers were first attempting to connect with a stylus, there was a lot of heat on what technology would be the better route and what source of code would be the optimal select. Resolve was difficult because everything was desperately needed. People were demanding a tablet that could take notes with unsurpassed accuracy, yet evolve into a laptop with the performance pf a desktop pc while on the go. Now that tablet technology has surpassed multiple revision updates, & mega disasters (that we wont even begin to mention), etc. students are more often found attending class with a tablet, over a pen and paper. Even the lightest high performance laptops rivaled tablets as laptops slowly started their transformation into something new.
Currently retired from some many years of developing multiple platforms and implementing hardware, I have personally achieved quite a wide selection of tablets, laptops, combinations, and hand held portables. Out of the selection my favorite are the Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 and the Surface Pro 3 512Gb with i7. Between these two devices I feel I have experienced the best out of both worlds. Yet truthfully, when it comes to "Taking notes" I tend to normally reach for the Note Pro before the Surface. However, don't get me wrong. When the roles are reversed, and I need true laptop performance with Power Point and Excel, I will reach for the Surface Pro.
As for the stylus. It really depends on what I'm going to need to do. I feel that both devices stylus's "Feel" great. But if were are defining "Feel" as in the actual way in conforms in the hand. The Surface Pro stylus is hands down more realistic of a feeling than that of my Note Pro's light "tooth pick" stylus. However you can achieve that sexy feel in your hand with the Bamboo stylus if you want to spend a little. Then the real question is again, what do I need to do.
The Note Pro is an excellent note taking machine. No question, no debate. It takes extremely accurate note taking and hand writing recognition to a whole new level. I have never experienced anything better to this day.
Now the Surface Pro is also an excellent machine. OneNote IS truly sex on your lap, so to speak, LoL, with this machine. The stylus accuracy is by far the same as the Note Pro, in my opinion. However this device gives me better performance when it comes to Excel and Word docs. Especially when you need to just hop right in as mentioned above.
In close, I could detail every aspect of each device. However, I feel that your conclusion would mainly depend on what you are wanting to do with it, so I don't want to just say that I like one more than the other and try to prove my reasoning. What I would like to provide you with is the reality of what I look for on a daily basis. That would be hands down the Note Pro. No matter if I'm traveling and need the absolute portability with excellent battery life; hands down the Note Pro. Needing to create, edit, develope, or give a presentation with power point; hands down the Note Pro. When I'm in a hurry and need to find a quick applicable application for something, hands down the Note Pro. When having to fly in and want to grab the latest Metar information while in the cockpit, hands down the Note Pro. Thousands of applications with the most part of them truly free in the play store for any event, hands down the Note Pro.
Again both devices are truly amazing machines, yet I still reach for the Note ahead of the Surface. Weight, battery life, functionality, compatibility, amazing resolution, etc, etc, etc; hands down the Note Pro. I wouldn't change it for anything.
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I'm in molecular virology and do biochem and a fair amount of math on mine. I do lots of reading, highlighting, and annotating in my textbooks. I use lecture notes for quick stuff. I tend to have my logitech k810 for typing out longer stuff. I use the handwriting recognition for my math only. My handwriting is horrible and it's a godsend. The larger screen is what sold me. I kept running into the end of the page before I was done with whatver equation I was working on with the note 10.1. This slightly larger model made it so my work fits perfectly.
The screen looks far better to me on the note 12.2 as well. I find the device lighter. It has better battery life to me, especially when touchwiz is gone and the tablet has been tweaked some.
Depending on the work I'm doing, I use different note programs. Instead of worrying about them all syncing in different ways, I just use drop sync to sync their individual folders and all my notes from various apps and tools are done in one click.
I considered the surface, but because of the extra price being so much more and it only running an onboard intel graphics chip I did not see it worth the extra cash. Minus molecular modeling and high level processing/graphics stuff I have successfully replaced my laptop 99% of the time.
You will need an aftermarket pen. The little dinky thing it comes with will just not cut it. Highlighting and math with it gave me a good cramp after a short time. I bought an aftermarket pen. The bamboo stylus feel carbon and have been happy ever since. The main recommendations for pens are the Bamboo Stylus Feel Normal/Carbon and the S-Pen 8pi
Thanks everyone for your input it is greatly appreciated.
At the minute a still don't know which way I am leaning .
Maybe I should of outlined my situations more in my original post, I use a rMBP as my daily driver so I use that for the office related things and programming stuff and I can't really see myself ever replacing it with a windows machine, linux however this could be an option which pulls me towards the surface pro 3 for dual booting as a spare linux environment and also being able to use zim which is a plus.
In terms of notes made on the note can they easily exported? I would like to be able to search them on device essentially, one reason I was asking about evernote.
How does onenote and the apps for the s pen compare?
Can you now directly pen into evernote using the spen? can you also write tasks out which go straight to evernote?
Also do you guys/gals once you have inked then covert to text? or do you do all your typing using a keyboard? I have an odd pleasure from just writing out my work and it also helps me remember what I have done. The whole reason for wanting to go electronic is so I can easily find something again!
jasimpson89 said:
Thanks everyone for your input it is greatly appreciated.
At the minute a still don't know which way I am leaning .
Maybe I should of outlined my situations more in my original post, I use a rMBP as my daily driver so I use that for the office related things and programming stuff and I can't really see myself ever replacing it with a windows machine, linux however this could be an option which pulls me towards the surface pro 3 for dual booting as a spare linux environment and also being able to use zim which is a plus.
In terms of notes made on the note can they easily exported? I would like to be able to search them on device essentially, one reason I was asking about evernote.
How does onenote and the apps for the s pen compare?
Can you now directly pen into evernote using the spen? can you also write tasks out which go straight to evernote?
Also do you guys/gals once you have inked then covert to text? or do you do all your typing using a keyboard? I have an odd pleasure from just writing out my work and it also helps me remember what I have done. The whole reason for wanting to go electronic is so I can easily find something again!
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So, one thing that no one has mentioned in this is that Onenote is also available for the note pro... so, that point is kidna moot imo...
for your questionn on the note apps, there is a good section in the themes and apps already on this.. several of your options are the LectureNotes as mentioned already, Onenote, Papyrus, Evernote, S-Note, and several other. each of them have their own things that make them "better" than others, so it will be on your to see how they fit with you.. a lot prefer Lecturenotes and Papyrus, some like Onenote, some Like Evernote.. test them for yourself and see how you like them.. Lecturenotes and Papyrus seem to give you more functionalility, but lack some of the exporting.. however, you can easily overcome all this by using dropbox/dropsync and just sync them to whereever.
Ihave the SP2 as well and i just bought the note pro 12.2.. have to say.. i love the note pro wayyyyy more than the sp2.. granted it is not the sp3, so i cant speak to its S-pen abilities.. but, the note pro for me does everything that my sp2 can/will do with the exception of the compatability of a smart card reader that i could use for work.. other than that, i can still easily do all MS docs (excel, pp, word, etc)on the note just as easily as on the sp2..
The screen on teh NP12.2 is jsut wayy better as well. and the size is outstanding and still manages to be lighter than the sp2...
For me, Ican use either the handwriting or a kb.. i personally bought the samsung cover keyboard.. i tried it and the zagg one.. the zagg was a tad lighter, but the samsung one jsut feels so much better to me to type on.. i have larger hands and the keys fit better and just feel better.. it is working great.
the benefit of the Note as well is the android and apps.. you can pretty much do anything on this that you will be able to on the SP with the eception of playing some "PC"games , but the SP is severely lackign a video card, so you cant even really do that well on the SP.. with the note, you can enjoy your time and play the games that are far more abundant for this as well..
I am personally going to sell my SP2 now that Ihave this.. there is just no reason to keep it as Ican hook my reader up to my PC and still do my email at home
Also.. don't quote me on this and i would suggest look it up, but i could have sworn a buddy of mine was talking to me about loading Ubuntu onto the Note?? if I am correct, it runs on a linux kernel right, so i could see this as possibly being true, but i am by no means an expert on this and this is just something that popped in my head when i saw you write that.. so, maybe look into that to get your linux fix
anyway.. hope this might help you some more.. if any questions, feel free to ask
edit... so looks like i remembered right.. check out this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2755962 Ubuntu on the note pro 12.2 enjoy
From my Fired-up Note Pro 12.2!
OneNote on android is awesome, but nowhere near the functionality of it on Win8.1
SNote is *nothing* like the capability of OneNote.
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OneNote on android is awesome, but nowhere near the functionality of it on Win8.1
SNote is *nothing* like the capability of OneNote.
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yeah Ihear ya... but from my understaending, the real reason a lot like it is the synching portion between the tab and the pc... and you can overcome this with just about every other note taking app with some form of dropbox and just synch as well
I used onenote on my SP2 and liked it.. but i DL'd lecturenotes and think i like it even more..you have way more options with it and customizeable as wel... worth a check out
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