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Where has everyone gone?

Where has everyone gone?
The dev forum is usually hopping with lots of updates to all of the Roms and people asking questions and everything.... there has been little to no action at all lately...
has everyone left for a new phone?

clninja said:
Where has everyone gone?
The dev forum is usually hopping with lots of updates to all of the Roms and people asking questions and everything.... there has been little to no action at all lately...
has everyone left for a new phone?
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Looks that way, I'm sure after the Amaze and GS2 release it will die even more

The phone is getting old. Going on 6 months, that's ancient!

Well, people have lives outside of XDA. haha

Don't forget ICS is coming out in a little more than a month. I'm sure once that happens, development will pick back up again.
Also, there are only so many things you can do to a rom. Most of the roms here work perfectly. There are a few bugs in some (such as a2dp on 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 based roms) that probably won't ever get fixed because nvidia will not release their source code. (And before everyone jumps up complaining, they are under no legal obligation to do so. They come from the video card world, and it's VERY cut-throat, they don't release their sources because they don't want competitors seeing how they do things.) But once you get the rom running perfectly as a daily driver, what's there to update? With the exception of cm7 nightlies and miui "weeklies", minus minor bug fixes, there isn't really too much more to update.

mstrk242 said:
Don't forget ICS is coming out in a little more than a month. I'm sure once that happens, development will pick back up again.
Also, there are only so many things you can do to a rom. Most of the roms here work perfectly. There are a few bugs in some (such as a2dp on 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 based roms) that probably won't ever get fixed because nvidia will not release their source code. (And before everyone jumps up complaining, they are under no legal obligation to do so. They come from the video card world, and it's VERY cut-throat, they don't release their sources because they don't want competitors seeing how they do things.) But once you get the rom running perfectly as a daily driver, what's there to update? With the exception of cm7 nightlies and miui "weeklies", minus minor bug fixes, there isn't really too much more to update.
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well said. I'm really looking forward to ICS, I hope it's easy for developers to port it over.

I think the majority of people are waiting on the new Nexus or the Galaxy S II.

PikkonX said:
I think the majority of people are waiting on the new Nexus or the Galaxy S II.
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+1 I know I am.
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PikkonX said:
I think the majority of people are waiting on the new Nexus or the Galaxy S II.
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I think majority of the people came from HD2 that has a LOT of devs...
Sent from my Calculator with Android.

That's where I was spoiled rotten. An HD2 update every couple of days and a WHOLE bunch of dev working at it. G2x has some pretty stable stuff. It's getting this FFC stuff fixed....

Android 2.3

I realise that the alpha/beta of ICS has been released but why is it there is no development on 2.3 roms at the moment. Sure people want to have the best ICS rom but seriously I am sick of the constant crashes and "this application isnt supported by your device" on the Android market.
Hopefully the developers focus on the actual stable roms and not silly pre-releases.

daftdrew said:
I realise that the alpha/beta of ICS has been released but why is it there is no development on 2.3 roms at the moment. Sure people want to have the best ICS rom but seriously I am sick of the constant crashes and "this application isnt supported by your device" on the Android market.
Hopefully the developers focus on the actual stable roms and not silly pre-releases.
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To each his own! I completely disagree, I don't understand what you're asking for, 2.3 roms seem good to go and stable as it is. What else do you want done? Also, I for one don't consider it "silly" pre-releases. Even though ICS has yet to be complete it's far better than what GB has been for me. ICS is also the one that needs some work on, hence the crashes and stuff (I don't experience any at all). If GB is working without crashes and is STABLE, what updates are you looking for? If it's working great, then you don't need to update! Although there are some apps which are yet compatible, it doesn't affect users such as myself.

daftdrew said:
I realise that the alpha/beta of ICS has been released but why is it there is no development on 2.3 roms at the moment. Sure people want to have the best ICS rom but seriously I am sick of the constant crashes and "this application isnt supported by your device" on the Android market.
Hopefully the developers focus on the actual stable roms and not silly pre-releases.
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Considering I haven't experienced a single crash on Baad's InsertCoin ICS ROM, I have no idea what you are talking about. I suppose one could also question why the Windows Mobile and Palm ROM development forums haven't seen much action...what more is there to do to working stable ROMs? Or better yet, why bother

KAwAtA said:
To each his own! I completely disagree, I don't understand what you're asking for, 2.3 roms seem good to go and stable as it is. What else do you want done?
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Speaking for myself, I'd like a stable (i.e. not alpha) release of CM7 for my new Sensation. I agree with the OP, if the CM devs are blocked waiting for HTC to release ICS, why not polish off a stable CM7 release? I'm in the process of pulling down source to see if I can help. I'm an embedded Linux developer during the day, but being new to android development and only having one phone (and a wife and kids), I'm not expecting anything but getting my feet wet by the time ICS comes out on this phone. I'm grateful that CM exists, just wish there was a non-alpha mod for my new phone.

elceedub said:
Speaking for myself, I'd like a stable (i.e. not alpha) release of CM7 for my new Sensation. I agree with the OP, if the CM devs are blocked waiting for HTC to release ICS, why not polish off a stable CM7 release?
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Well I guess they did not want to waste time polishing CM7, where in 1-2 months time, everyone will be expecting them to release CM9 for sensation. Let's say they release a super stable CM7 by the end of Feb, people will be using it for only a month before switching to CM9. Might as well wait for ICS.

forzanetti said:
Well I guess they did not want to waste time polishing CM7, where in 1-2 months time, everyone will be expecting them to release CM9 for sensation. Let's say they release a super stable CM7 by the end of Feb, people will be using it for only a month before switching to CM9. Might as well wait for ICS.
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Speaking for myself again, I'd prefer to use a solid CM7 until CM9 is just as stable. It was more than 1-2 months before CM7 stable enough to put on my MT4G. But I understand it is the culture here to regularly flash new stuff, even if there's no good reason to, and I'm not knocking that, I've done it too. Which is why I'm either returning this phone for a SGS2, or getting to work on my own (wow, 4.5 hours to sync the CM GB repo!).

elceedub said:
Which is why I'm either returning this phone for a SGS2, or getting to work on my own (wow, 4.5 hours to sync the CM GB repo!).
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While waiting for the CM code to sync, I went over to htcdev.com and clicked their comments link to "Tell HTCdev what YOU want". I explained that I would like full source code for my HTC phone like LG and Samsung provide for their phones (at least the diffs from the open source code). I didn't really expect to get it, and was not surprised when the reply was no - they only release the Linux kernel source because they're bound to by license. But it made me realize that I had purchased the wrong phone. So I returned it. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the SGS2 is quite functional and performant out of the box, and the source easily available from Samsung. So long HTC...

CM9 Development

So i noticed that Tbolt is getting the CM9 support. Any devs out there plan to make a CM9/AOSP or anything else build? Id love to know! Im excited for Liquid SMooth ICS rom.

Where did you read that at? Link?

Link_of_Hyrule said:
Where did you read that at? Link?
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DFgHAi7-xkXiRdU5S6WXsqx26lzmiI60tntQhqsz6Js/edit?pli=1
it was confirmed in this Q & A session with Cyanogenmod 4th questoin down. Info originally provided by http://forums.androidcentral.com/th...6-cm9-will-coming-officially-thunderbolt.html

Well I'll believe it when I see it I haven't seen anything else from CM showing support for Mecha at all there isn't even a forum for it. So far none of the developers aren't going to make a new RIL so until there is a leak or an update we won't see fully working ICS in any fashion. TwistedUmbrella and ProTekk have both made great progress in getting things work but RIL won't work until HTC releases the goods. So who knows maybe once that happens CM9 will get official and release a nightly and make a forum idk.

Workshed has been the CM guru since I've had a smartphone. When the ril is cracked or leaked for ics I'd expect an unofficial cm or official
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA

Well Twisted Playground uses parts from CM9 I think. To be honest I could careless about CM9 between AOKP and Twisted Playground we got the goods.

Link_of_Hyrule said:
Well Twisted Playground uses parts from CM9 I think. To be honest I could careless about CM9 between AOKP and Twisted Playground we got the goods.
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+1 Twisted has an awesome base for his ROM, and I personally appreciate him waiting for an official ril. I personally want a working stable ics ROM, not another unofficial cm with half assed data that gets no updates like 99% of thunderbolt ROMs.

Link_of_Hyrule said:
Well I'll believe it when I see it I haven't seen anything else from CM showing support for Mecha at all there isn't even a forum for it. So far none of the developers aren't going to make a new RIL so until there is a leak or an update we won't see fully working ICS in any fashion. TwistedUmbrella and ProTekk have both made great progress in getting things work but RIL won't work until HTC releases the goods. So who knows maybe once that happens CM9 will get official and release a nightly and make a forum idk.
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There was not a forum for a lot of phones they had committed to yet (like the Galaxy Nexus) last time I looked.
I would not take that as a negative sign. A forum will come when the kernel comes I am sure.

the Galaxy Nexus has a forum. But yeah idk ever since the whole CM7 thing I kinda gave up on CM.

Well, either way you look at it Cyanogenmod is such a unique ROM, made such a huge splash that parts of it were implemented in vanilla AOSP in 4.0 by Google. That's huge. And I can't say I know of any other ROM that's done something like that. So having official CM9 support is a massive plus, and I know exactly which ROM I'll be running when it happens

You guys really need to go to Rootzwiki. The development for the TB is happening there, there's already a CM9 port and two AOSP 4.0.4 ports with all but the RIL working.

All those are posted here except liquid ICS I think. But the only one that has actually been updated and released for quite a while is Twisted Playground and that is here and on Rootzwiki. I would say currently Twisted Playground has the most working. Once RIL is released in one form or another ProTekk will update AOKP idk if Liquid will update his or not from what I could see it didn't really differ a whole lot from AOKP. So we just have to wait once there is a working RIL we'll get more updated working roms.

Tbolt channel of Rootwiki and Androidcentral do seem to be a bit more populated then xda. Either way, dont care where it happens, il be checking all 3 as much as posible for CM9 and / or ICS ROMS

Rootzwiki is better for somethings but lately Twisted Playgrounds thread on XDA has been better.

Yeah I bounce back and forth between the two.
I don't know what it is, but I feel like XDA is my home and always will be.... I miss when it was THE centralized location for Android development

ICS ROM Camcorder Issues

Quick question, I don't know if anyone here would be able to answer, or if this is a dumb question, but with official ICS on our phone, what is breaking the camcorder on many of the ICS roms? Is it a kernal issue, or something more in depth?

When "vanilla" AOSP (CM9) or AOKP ROMs are ported over, there are no drivers to make the hardware work with the ROMs. I think the drivers are hacked. So often some hardware does not work. Hacking drivers to make them work is a time consuming process. If/when HTC released the kernel source code, it may help (I'm not sure).
That's my non-developer understanding of the issue.

In the CM9 thread theres a link to "Camcorder.zip" that you can flash after installing Alpha 4 that enables your camcorder. It "sometimes" corrupts the video, but 8 times out of 10 it will work, and records in 720p and SD modes.
Not a perfect fix, but it's something. Probably works with AOKP too but haven't tried it yet.

Thanks for the feedback guys, it reminded me that HTC is pretty bad about releasing source... I've been using samsung products for so long that I had forgotten it was still an issue but unfortunately my infuse broke recently so I bought a one x from someone in the mp. Hopefully I'll get my infuse replaced and have a backup!
so essentially the kernal is still closed source, which is understandable now why there are still some hardware issues.

Me venting about CM on the moto G

Wow. Just wow. I mean, this phone has got to be at least nine months old by now. And guess what - I haven't seen a stable build of CM11 yet. In fact, I haven't seen a build where audio even works as it should, and in the latest nightly, the audio derped out completely, even in calls. GPS doesn't work. WiFi drops every 5 minutes or so. Mobile data doesn't activate for about half an hour, even then it drops out every 5 minutes, just like the WiFi.
Cyanogenmod is beyond a joke. The Moto G runs stock android out of the box, so there is literally nothing for the CM team to modify to get CM to work on it. They should at least get audio and GPS working - in contrast there is an unstable, unofficial build for the Samsung Galaxy Ace "s5830" of CM11 that has more things working than the current "official", "stable" build on the Moto G.
I thought CM was meant to be about bringing Stock android to all devices, on Google's schedule, long after OEMs and carriers have dropped support for these devices. What's crazy here is that the Moto G's "stock" software has had a version of 4.4.4 available for months; Motorola have finished it, and carriers have got round to rolling it out - and it's been on my phone for several weeks now.
My point is, Motorola (who are very lazy when it comes to updates) have finished 4.4.4, given the update to carriers, who then procrastinated about rolling it out for weeks before finally rolling it out, and still, despite all this, Cyanogenmod haven't even got a stable build of kitkat at all, let alone 4.4.4, to offer. They are literally worse than OEMs and carriers at updating their phones on time.
If you have a Moto G, please do not ruin it by installing cyanogenmod on it. It is useless beyond belief, and you will cry for days about having turned your phone into an expensive paperweight. On the bright side, if that corner of your piece of paper just won't stick down, go ahead and install CM.

Is this is a complain or something like that lol? BTW I don't have any issues with CM or CM based ROMs.

Here we go. At this point, I am also waiting for a more stable version of CM 11 for Falcon. Yes, there are issues with it. Some are pretty notable, others are barely (or not at all) notable.
The thing here is that you are using open sourced software. There are some really, really experienced developers working on CM 11 to make it better for us, the end users. However, and I have seen this happen before, some lesser-experienced developers might forget about something every once in a while causing issues on the devices. This can happen. It happens to everyone, Motorola developers included (just look at the reports of battery drain issues across the Android versions).
CyanogenMod is a great team and are introducing features that improve Android in small, yet very useful ways. These features, in themselves, are working brilliantly. The only quirk with this is that CyanogenMod is trying to get each and every different phone to run Android in combination with those features. I might be wrong here, but that seems like that's causing a lot of trouble over some different devices, including the Moto G. If CyanogenMod adds a new feature to (for recent issues' sake) audio for devices CyanogenMod support (an update library for example), there's always a chance that gets pushed to the Moto G, and there's something with the Moto G that makes it not function properly. This is really notable in the Nightly releases. The most recent Nightly releases, 07-24 and 07-25 contain an issue that makes it so that audio isn't functioning properly. This is always a possibility. It's a Nightly, unstable, release. You cannot complain that it's not working on a version that's not intended to be stable.
This brings me to another point, the "Stable" release category. Moto G's most recent "Stable" release, M6, is really pretty stable. On everyday use, I could not see any one issue with it. The reason for there not being a M7 or M8 "Stable" release, is that there's issues with them, so CyanogenMod decided that it shouldn't be classed "Stable" for our device and therefor did not release them. I'm sure that, when there's a new safe-to-be-called-Stable release, CyanogenMod will push that to our device as well.
CyanogenMod is open source. There are bugs in it. You sign up for that in exchange for some new features and continued support from the developers. For the most part, the core software is stable. It's the "drivers" for the phone that are causing issues. Also, the new features have to be tested and the bugs that are in them should get reported to CyanogenMod so that the team can fix them. If you don't report the bugs, how would they get squashed? I have reported the audio issue on the most recent Nightly releases to CyanogenMod, which brings it to their attention and, while it is being fixed, the Nightly releases are temporarily postponed until the issue is fixed to prevent any further harm that this issue might cause. That is what CyanogenMod is about. They release something, obtain feedback, fix it, release that fix, obtain feedback, fix it and release that fix. That cycle keeps continuing. If they don't obtain feedback, they will just keep doing what they are doing -- add new features, which might cause the bugs you found to keep being there forever and ever.
And you may say that trying to report stuff in Nightly releases isn't 'allowed' on their feedback site, you're looking in the wrong place. You should look in the Nightly Regressions section of the CyanogenMod JIRA -- not the regular Issues section.
If you have any comment on what I just stated, please do reply to me. If there's anything that's wrong with what I just stated, please do correct me. If you dislike anything about what I just stated, please do not just post a hate comment on it -- actually explain what you don't like and why so I can, in turn, respond to that as well.
Thanks for reading.

I've never had problems with CM11 i'm using xt1032 btw

Whoooa... sorry guys didn't mean to offend anyone just wanted to vent.
My point is if some 12 year old can get audio working on some ****ty outdated low end samsung device with no sources (eg the s5830i), whoever is in charge of the Moto G (a modern, officially supported device btw) should be able to AT LEAST MAKE THE DAMN AUDIO FECKING WORK.
IMHO custom ROMs are dead and xposed is the future.

I've just heard they've stopped development for the Moto G entirely. Motorola and the various carriers their phones are on have got their act together and released 4.4.4, CM haven't finished... ...anything.

moto_g_n00b said:
Whoooa... sorry guys didn't mean to offend anyone just wanted to vent.
My point is if some 12 year old can get audio working on some ****ty outdated low end samsung device with no sources (eg the s5830i), whoever is in charge of the Moto G (a modern, officially supported device btw) should be able to AT LEAST MAKE THE DAMN AUDIO FECKING WORK.
IMHO custom ROMs are dead and xposed is the future.
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Whoa… No need to swear. I'm not flaming on you. I even partially agree with you. I just provided you with what I think about the matter, and nothing negative about any of what you commented. There's absolutely no need to go crazy about what a few members comment on your post.
Have a great day, sir, and lighten up a bit.