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internal memory?

I rooted my inspire 4G phone, and installed CoreDroid_Desire_HD_GB_2.3.3_V5.4.
Today I noticed
in Quadrant => System Information, it shows:
Memory
Total: 636132kB <== only 600MB internal memory !?
Free: 54728KB
Inactive 182592kB
In Setting=>SD and Phone Storage,
I see SD card of Total Space: 7.39GB
but, Internal storage available space is only 640MB
In Android Booster, it shows:
Memory available: 156/621MB
Since AT&T website says that this phone is supposed to have 4GB internal memory and 8GB miscroSD card. According to what it shows above, is it really the case? What happened to the 4GB internal memory? I don't know how it was before I rooted the phone. Can anyone help? Thanks!

people still ask that question by the way before root it came with one gig try formating
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Internal is 4gigs, but only 1 gig available.

where 3GB goes?

zstone123 said:
Memory
Total: 636132kB <== only 600MB internal memory !?
Free: 54728KB
Inactive 182592kB
In Setting=>SD and Phone Storage,
I see SD card of Total Space: 7.39GB
but, Internal storage available space is only 640MB
In Android Booster, it shows:
Memory available: 156/621MB
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You're mistaking ram for internal storage with these figures.

using root explorer:
cache: 290 mb
data: 1156,93 mb
system: 549,2 mb
Thats more than 1gb in use, but way less than 4gb.
where is the rest ? who knows
ps: ram MIGHT be reported as less than 768 because the GPU takes some for itself

cocchiararo said:
using root explorer:
cache: 290 mb
data: 1156,93 mb
system: 549,2 mb
Thats more than 1gb in use, but way less than 4gb.
where is the rest ? who knows
ps: ram MIGHT be reported as less than 768 because the GPU takes some for itself
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Gpu takes ram, radio some, plus a few others.
Quick answer since this has been gone over many times in this forum alone. The phone has 4 gigs of internal storage, its formatted single layer, which is faster and more stable, but cuts the size in half. Now were down to 2 gigs of storage, and the OS and some other partitions reside here so take away a little less than a gig, and your down to a little over 1 gig of usable storage, which is exactly what we have.
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cocchiararo said:
ps: ram MIGHT be reported as less than 768 because the GPU takes some for itself
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And, depending on which rom you're using, ram compression.

di11igaf said:
Gpu takes ram, radio some, plus a few others.
Quick answer since this has been gone over many times in this forum alone. The phone has 4 gigs of internal storage, its formatted single layer, which is faster and more stable, but cuts the size in half. Now were down to 2 gigs of storage, and the OS and some other partitions reside here so take away a little less than a gig, and your down to a little over 1 gig of usable storage, which is exactly what we have.
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did i miss any partition ?
either i did, or it has less than 2gb
and about the SLC thing, i had seen this before, but i had also fogoten XD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
(different phone, similar stuff)

GT-P3110 8gb shows me 4.5 gb ??

Hi guys got my device a week ago,flashed it with CM9 and its still showing me 4.5 gb instead of the 8gb
I paid for.
Is there a solution to fix this?
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That's normal. Should say you get whatever is left from the 8GB when we are finished.

Where does that 4gb been used then? Rom itself is around 150mb
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Even i am baffled with this. My P3100 is supposed to have 16GB but actually it is 11.89GB only. It is misrepresentation on Samsung part. They are cheating customers. User storage means pure user available storage.

I feel ripped of by this 8gb is nog much so 4.5 gigs is Just dissapointing...
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May be we all should collectively complaint to Samsung. Afterall we paid for it.

that 8 GB is used for your rom, cache, apps(pre-installed and user apps), app data, and whatever you put in your /mnt/sdcard folder.
and you already lose some space in the math. (no 8GB storage device is ever 8GB)

thedicemaster said:
that 8 GB is used for your rom, cache, apps(pre-installed and user apps), app data, and whatever you put in your /mnt/sdcard folder.
and you already lose some space in the math. (no 8GB storage device is ever 8GB)
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Then companies need to either tell Customers honestly that they will get only 4.5GB or put 12.5GB to give promised 8GB to customers. Why misrepresentation ? It amounts to cheating, technically.

silentvisitor said:
Then companies need to either tell Customers honestly that they will get only 4.5GB or put 12.5GB to give promised 8GB to customers. Why misrepresentation ? It amounts to cheating, technically.
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It's the same when you purchase a laptop with Windows preloaded . The catalog says that you have 120GB harddisk storage and 4GB system memory. But when you open your laptop and check the system information, you only have 120x1000MB/1024MB = 117GB and 20GB reserved by Win7 & NTFS default allocation size. And 512MB system memory reserved by VGA.... This is exactly the current presentation for any device.

@cfygeorge
Thanks for valuable info but what this Xx1000/1024 calculation is?
But RAM is still just 678mb out of said 1gb
Tab 2 P3100

I total agree with your logic, but On the Spec page Samsung does state 8gb User Memory. It doesn't say system memory.
I really wish they wouldn't use the memory term, It's storage not memory.
Dang IT!
cyfgeorge said:
It's the same when you purchase a laptop with Windows preloaded . The catalog says that you have 120GB harddisk storage and 4GB system memory. But when you open your laptop and check the system information, you only have 120x1000MB/1024MB = 117GB and 20GB reserved by Win7 & NTFS default allocation size. And 512MB system memory reserved by VGA.... This is exactly the current presentation for any device.
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@cfygeorge
Thanks for valuable info but what this Xx1000/1024 calculation is?
But RAM is still just 678mb out of said 1gb
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Dead simple. Hardware manifacturers usually calculate 1 GB as 1000 MB. That's not correct as 1GB is 1024 MB.
About RAM: There is 1 GB on board. Some of it is reserved for OS operations and some is reserved for the GPU. So user RAM is 678 MB. We has this RAM discussions ever since the HD2 :laugh:

Oh...me ignorant child...
I never knew RAM too can be reserved.
Thanks for info
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Now I even strongly believe manufacturers (Samsung in this case) should give net figures available to the user like 12gb of Storage and 678mb of user available RAM.
Current arrangement is not acceptable. Will write to Samsung for sure.

cyfgeorge said:
It's the same when you purchase a laptop with Windows preloaded . The catalog says that you have 120GB harddisk storage and 4GB system memory. But when you open your laptop and check the system information, you only have 120x1000MB/1024MB = 117GB and 20GB reserved by Win7 & NTFS default allocation size. And 512MB system memory reserved by VGA.... This is exactly the current presentation for any device.
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The thing is i flashed it from original to cm9 because i thougt custom roms are faster,use less storage,..it is faster but 4.5 GB is nothing most smartphones have more space then this tablet. There must be a way to increase the storage or this device should not be on the market imo or at least for half price so we Get what we pay for.

n1t0h said:
The thing is i flashed it from original to cm9 because i thougt custom roms are faster,use less storage,..it is faster but 4.5 GB is nothing most smartphones have more space then this tablet. There must be a way to increase the storage or this device should not be on the market imo or at least for half price so we Get what we pay for.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vz3H3vbAwk&feature=related
this guy had the same issue as me with the storage and he sais he got rid of the bloatware and now he has the 8gb he paid for.
is it not possible to wipe the whole tablet and flash it with cm9 so i have more storage space then i do now?

[Q] How much RAM has Xperia miro?

On GSMarena (and everywhere on internet) I saw that Xperia Miro has 512 MB of RAM, but every app (like Watchdog, Go Launcher) that I used shows 401 MB of RAM. I have STOCK Android, no root. Is 111MB of RAM used by OS or it's something else?

Croatoan® said:
On GSMarena (and everywhere on internet) I saw that Xperia Miro has 512 MB of RAM, but every app (like Watchdog, Go Launcher) that I used shows 401 MB of RAM. I have STOCK Android, no root. Is 111MB of RAM used by OS or it's something else?
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The memory figure for anything (RAM, HDD, SSD and what not), is only an approximation. During production of these memory devices, the actual value is almost always less than the figure given by the OEM. Having said that, the OS may have certain uses of the RAM but are not displayed on the task manager.

The carrier may limit the ram, I know the HTC dream was limited to 384mb by tmobile
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jay_r95 said:
The memory figure for anything (RAM, HDD, SSD and what not), is only an approximation. During production of these memory devices, the actual value is almost always less than the figure given by the OEM. Having said that, the OS may have certain uses of the RAM but are not displayed on the task manager.
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Approximation of by 10% is very lousy approximation. On PC if you have 3GB of RAM you have ~3GB of RAM, not 2.7GB of RAM but memory figure for HDD and SSD are shown in TB but they are really in TiB (TB=1024 GB and TiB=1000 GB, ...). Does on your phone, your RAM memory figure is smaller in task manager because of OS?

Why does it say I only have 1794 mb of RaM?

When I go to Antutu or Ram Booster they say I only have 1794 mb of ram what happen to the other 250 mb?

fleen said:
When I go to Antutu or Ram Booster they say I only have 1794 mb of ram what happen to the other 250 mb?
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Hi,
Nothing wrong, the rest is for system, GPU (in short)... Not all the RAM is available for the userspace.

Hammer_Of_The_Gods said:
Hi,
Nothing wrong, the rest is for system, GPU (in short)... Not all the RAM is available for the userspace.
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Thanks for the quick reply, does this happen to all phones or just the nexus 5?
I feel like it should be better implemented like have 250mb of its own ram or use at it is needed not just take away from me 250 mb of ram.

fleen said:
Thanks for the quick reply, does this happen to all phones or just the nexus 5?
I feel like it should be better implemented like have 250mb of its own ram or use at it is needed not just take away from me 250 mb of ram.
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As far as I know, at least for all devices I owned, it's always the same thing (some devices with 1Gb RAM had something like 768 Mb available stock)...
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the available RAM detected from Antutu or RAM Booster or another apps.

fleen said:
Thanks for the quick reply, does this happen to all phones or just the nexus 5?
I feel like it should be better implemented like have 250mb of its own ram or use at it is needed not just take away from me 250 mb of ram.
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It is like that for absolutely everything. PCs/Notebooks, Tablets, Phones, etc. It's normal.

Just remember one thing that with a build.prop edit (by adding a line) you can fake the available RAM in Settings/About phone (like you can show some CPU info), but I don't know if some apps detect it (I think but... not sure ).
Maybe something like "ro.product.************" .
Maybe a Google search will give you the trick, just a cosmetic thing since the real available RAM is "hardcoded"

mmmmBACON said:
It is like that for absolutely everything. PCs/Notebooks, Tablets, Phones, etc. It's normal.
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Don't pc graphic cards have dedicated memory?
So they don't take "my" memory

fleen said:
Don't pc graphic cards have dedicated memory?
So they don't take "my" memory
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Yes, but those are dedicated "add-on" cards and are generally limited to PCs and gaming notebooks. The OS would still be using the main system memory. If you had 16GB RAM, the OS and any other processes would be using it regardless. You would never have 16GB available to you. Also, even if you had dedicated memory on the graphics card some of it will also be used regardless without your knowledge.
Any SoC uses the systems main memory.
If you want the full 2GB available to you, have fun never turning on your phone. If you want 2GB only for you, then the system has nothing to run on.
Memory is there to be used. Having a separate section for the OS and 2GB only for your choosing is pointless and inefficient.

mmmmBACON said:
Yes, but those are dedicated "add-on" cards and are generally limited to PCs and gaming notebooks. The OS would still be using the main system memory. If you had 16GB RAM, the OS and any other processes would be using it regardless. You would never have 16GB available to you. Also, even if you had dedicated memory on the graphics card some of it will also be used regardless without your knowledge.
Any SoC uses the systems main memory.
If you want the full 2GB available to you, have fun never turning on your phone. If you want 2GB only for you, then the system has nothing to run on.
Memory is there to be used. Having a separate section for the OS and 2GB only for your choosing is pointless and inefficient.
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I think what the OP is trying to ask is why is the hardware only detecting 1794mb of total actual RAM? Not how much ram the OS utilizes.
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mmmmBACON said:
Yes, but those are dedicated "add-on" cards and are generally limited to PCs and gaming notebooks. The OS would still be using the main system memory. If you had 16GB RAM, the OS and any other processes would be using it regardless. You would never have 16GB available to you. Also, even if you had dedicated memory on the graphics card some of it will also be used regardless without your knowledge.
Any SoC uses the systems main memory.
If you want the full 2GB available to you, have fun never turning on your phone. If you want 2GB only for you, then the system has nothing to run on.
Memory is there to be used. Having a separate section for the OS and 2GB only for your choosing is pointless and inefficient.
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I don't have a problem (well I do but not as much) with the OS and GPU use the 2GB of ram I have available but it should be something like like 300mb out of 2048mb (300/2048) of available ram not just cut my 2Gb of ram to 1794. What if the OS only needs 200 I still would not have 1894mb my max available ram is always 1794.

fleen said:
I don't have a problem (well I do but not as much) with the OS and GPU use the 2GB of ram I have available but it should be something like like 300mb out of 2048mb (300/2048) of available ram not just cut my 2Gb of ram to 1794. What if the OS only needs 200 I still would not have 1894mb my max available ram is always 1794.
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its not out of 2048MB for one
its 2GiB, not 2GB
from wikipedia
Although most manufacturers of hard disk drives and flash-memory disk devicesdefine 1 gigabyte as 1000000000bytes, software like Microsoft Windows reports size in gigabytes by dividing the total capacity in bytes by 1073741824 (230 = 1 gibibyte), while still reporting the result with the symbol "GB". This practice causes confusion, as a hard disk with an advertised capacity of, for example, "400 GB" (meaning 400000000000bytes) might be reported by the operating system as only "372 GB" (meaning 372 GiB). Other software, like Mac OS X 10.6[5] and some components of the Linux kernel[6] measure using the decimal units. The JEDEC memory standards uses the IEEE 100 nomenclatures which defines a gigabyte as 1073741824bytes (or 230 bytes).
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Zepius said:
its not out of 2048MB for one
its 2GiB, not 2GB
from wikipedia
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2 GiB is 1024x1024x1024. HDD / MMC / SSD use GB (1000x1000x1000) not GiB, however this is for storage. RAM is usually binary 1024... so it most likely is out of 2048.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte
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fleen said:
I don't have a problem (well I do but not as much) with the OS and GPU use the 2GB of ram I have available but it should be something like like 300mb out of 2048mb (300/2048) of available ram not just cut my 2Gb of ram to 1794. What if the OS only needs 200 I still would not have 1894mb my max available ram is always 1794.
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Oh, well don't worry, you have 2GB RAM. It might just be the way it is displayed in Antutu. CPU-Z displays the total amount of RAM as 1855MB. Not exactly consistent between programs.

mmmmBACON said:
Oh, well don't worry, you have 2GB RAM. It might just be the way it is displayed in Antutu. CPU-Z displays the total amount of RAM as 1855MB. Not exactly consistent between programs.
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I will just try to ignore this and I will be happier I guess, my cpu-z still says 1794MB total ram.

The device has 2GB of RAM but you the "BIOS" or whatever controller is in there allocates some for itself and the hardware in the phone (mainly GPU) and the rest is left to the OS.
Sharing RAM is good in general but many systems require X amount of RAM whether it's actively being used or not as it's designed to be able to use it. if it were to call on that memory address and it's full the system would crash (or a STOP error).
So instead of sharing it and allocating it as needed, it's locked off totally from the OS in the event it's ever needed by the hardware.

rootSU said:
2 GiB is 1024x1024x1024. HDD / MMC / SSD use GB (1000x1000x1000) not GiB, however this is for storage. RAM is usually binary 1024... so it most likely is out of 2048.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte
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And that's why they make 512MB RAM modules instead of 500MB

fleen said:
Thanks for the quick reply, does this happen to all phones or just the nexus 5?
I feel like it should be better implemented like have 250mb of its own ram or use at it is needed not just take away from me 250 mb of ram.
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Happens to all phones.

Ok guys i get the gist of it now, thank you all.

Amount of user available ram on the 2gb version

Hi guys, as the titles says, how much ram is user available on the 2gb version?
By user available i mean adding the used+free ram.
I am asking this because my nexus 10 is supposed to have 2gb of ram, but only 1.1gb is user available, the remainder is taken up by the OS.

12pickupsticks said:
Hi guys, as the titles says, how much ram is user available on the 2gb version?
By user available i mean adding the used+free ram.
I am asking this because my nexus 10 is supposed to have 2gb of ram, but only 1.1gb is user available, the remainder is taken up by the OS.
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1850 is maximum . if you freeze a lot of bloatware after reboot you have estimated 1gb ram free left.
After a lot of use without a reboot free memory drops to 650.
Memory is not a problem since it is also ddr4.
Also in android less memory left is sometimes better.