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Can i root my asian sensation and keep my phone s-off? If so, how?
Are you serious? Hurrp Durrp use the search.
of course not
S-off means writing to /system. Root requires write access to /system in order to get the app + 18056377243 binary.
So no.
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idan_mo said:
Can i root my asian sensation and keep my phone s-off? If so, how?
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geoffcorey said:
S-off means writing to /system. Root requires write access to /system in order to get the app + 18056377243 binary.
So no.
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Technically the answer is YES on the Sensation because you can use the HTC unlock method to install a custom recovery and flash Superuser to give your current Rom root access without going S-Off.
But using Revolutionary to S-Off your phone is the superior method to use and gives you more options in the future.
tpbklake said:
Technically the answer is YES on the Sensation because you can use the HTC unlock method to install a custom recovery and flash Superuser to give your current Rom root access without going S-Off.
But using Revolutionary to S-Off your phone is the superior method to use and gives you more options in the future.
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Using the htc method still gets you to s-off, and then end goal the person doesn't want.
You cannot write to /system without some sort of s-off. And the htc way is one of the two ways to get s-off.
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geoffcorey said:
Using the htc method still gets you to s-off, and then end goal the person doesn't want.
You cannot write to /system without some sort of s-off. And the htc way is one of the two ways to get s-off.
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Whatever dude. The HTC Unlock method unlocks the boot loader, but it still reports S-Off as indicated by several posts in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16865964&postcount=71
When you boot into the unlocked boot loader, the boot loader commands have
special access to some of the partitions such as /system, but you are limited by what the commands can flash.
yup. the HTC method while gives you s-off doesn't allow you to root the phone or install a custom ROM.
I had read through the user guide at XDA, about the uninstall HTC SYNC. Uninstall HTC sync is on HTC phone or computer or both?
It is Rooting method for Samsung Galaxy S2 and HTC Sensation is different?
jordontin said:
I had read through the user guide at XDA, about the uninstall HTC SYNC. Uninstall HTC sync is on HTC phone or computer or both?
It is Rooting method for Samsung Galaxy S2 and HTC Sensation is different?
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You only need to uninstall HTC Sync on your PC, not the phone.
Yes, the rooting process is different between SGS2 and HTC Sensation.
If i using Revolutionary tool to S-OFF and root the HTC Sensation, does it make changes on stock ROM, Kernel, driver (e.g 3G), etc?
It is Revolutionary tool compatible for all version of the HTC Sensation? Because i'm from Malaysia.
If my HTC Sensation got hardware problem need to claim warranty, can i unS-OFF and un-root it?
jordontin said:
If i using Revolutionary tool to S-OFF and root the HTC Sensation, does it make changes on stock ROM, Kernel, driver (e.g 3G), etc?
It is Revolutionary tool compatible for all version of the HTC Sensation? Because i'm from Malaysia.
If my HTC Sensation got hardware problem need to claim warranty, can i unS-OFF and un-root it?
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Doesn't change anything, you just get access to write to /system and all that good stuff. Yes revolutionary is compatible to all sensations.
You can also revert to s-on per the same guide to s-off.
If its a hardware problem that has absolutely nothing to do with software(like volume rocker falling off) then I don't c y it should b a problem claiming warranty regardless if ur s-off/on.
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I understand that HTC will release a new update for all HTC device to unlock the bootloader.
Recently i just got an software update fromHTC. Software number is "1.45.707.1" running Android 2.3.4. It is this software number already unlock the bootloader?
If the bootloader already unlock do i need to S-OFF in order to root my HTC Sensation?
What are the different in between S-OFF and unlock bootloader?
jordontin said:
I understand that HTC will release a new update for all HTC device to unlock the bootloader.
Recently i just got an software update fromHTC. Software number is "1.45.707.1" running Android 2.3.4. It is this software number already unlock the bootloader?
If the bootloader already unlock do i need to S-OFF in order to root my HTC Sensation?
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The update itself doesn't automatically unlock the bootloader of all sensations...it only makes them compatible with HTC's unlock tool.
If you don't mind me asking, is there a reason that you seem to want to avoid the revolutionary unlock? It's generally regarded as the better method since its reversible and doesn't require you to reveal to HTC that you're unlocked.
I want root my HTC sensation on the safe way, so i need to do some research. Because i still new on rooting android device.
After S-OFF the bootloader, do i need to check compatible of baseband version and build number before i root the HTC sensation?
What i know is for Samsung Galaxy S2 need to check this.
jordontin said:
I want root my HTC sensation on the safe way, so i need to do some research. Because i still new on rooting android device.
After S-OFF the bootloader, do i need to check compatible of baseband version and build number before i root the HTC sensation?
What i know is for Samsung Galaxy S2 need to check this.
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IMHO, revolutionary is the safer method to unlock since you can reverse it for warranty purposes. Supposedly HTC will honor hardware warranty issues even if you use the official unlock but I can't confirm that (they did with my nexus one though). Why risk getting denied though?
AFAIK, all current bootloaders, radios (basebands), and ROMs are compatible with each other in the sense that it will work. Some radios work better with some roms but no combination that I'm aware of will result in a brick. It's not like the G1 days where you had to make sure that your radio was compatible with your SPL and flashing them in the wrong order would make the device unbootable.
So I will have to s-off with Windows and then I can root with my Mac ? Sorry for sounding dumb...... Just still stuck in iPhone land lol htc sensation with 2.3.4
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You don't have to do anything to root unless you're going to stay on the stock rom. Custom roms are already rooted. To root a stock rom, you flash the root files from recovery, no pc needed.
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You don't have to do anything to root unless you're going to stay on the stock rom. Custom roms are already rooted. To root a stock rom, you flash the root files from recovery, no pc needed.
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I would like to check out custom roms ..... I updated to 2.3.4 and that should be ok ?
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Hi!
First i want to say that i know that there must be other threads about this problem but my lack of knowledge in these matters has made it very difficult to actually know what to look for.
I have a htc Sensation, which is branded (for an operator called the three).
My goal is in the current situation to try to get the original version of the HTC Sense. The version you get on a non-branded version of HTC Sensation.
Later I am thinking about getting CM7, but that is not relevant here
When i started to look into how to proceed I found that I know very little about these things.
And so I turn to you for help.
My first question is: Can you use HTC's official method to unlock the bootloader on a branded phone? I have software number 1.45.771.4 (which is 2.3.4) but on HTC's website it says that you should have 1.45.401.2.
If not, what is the next best way to unlock the bootloader?
My second question is: Can you somehow get the original version of the HTC Sense? I do not mean a custom version of the original, but the actual original? Is there any relevant difference?
My third and final question is: How do I install the original version of the HTC Sense on my phone?
Hope I have explained well enough and that someone has the desire to help me with my small troubles
/Jonathan Sterner
i uses this thread to debrand my vodafone device (it is rooted via revoltionary tools) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1193033
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Maybe i should clarify that i think it is kind of scary to use unofficial methods and i would like to find a way that are as "Safe" as possible.
I know that "Safe" may have little to do with the method being official or not but i would first like to explore the official ways before turning to the unofficial ones simply because i think that they are scary.
The ONLY way to debrand is:
1. S-OFF
2. Write the Super CID to your phone
3. Flash an unbranded ROM to your phone
This is easily done with the Revolutionary method, and is 100% reversible should you need to return the phone
I bought HTC RHYME and Unlocked it through www.htcdev.com
I still have s-ON but on top is writen UNLOCKED
few questions i got please HELP
1) do i need s-OFF? if its unlocked?
2) i would like to install Recovery any Recovery accept the STOCK ONE
3) is there a way to get ARABIC ROM on it through any other ROMS?
i got on my sensation and it works flawlessly it has SENSE 3.5 with arabic.
i am willing to donate 100$ if someone helps me to make it arabic. Thanx
Can you tell me how you unlocked this ?
Because on the Site htcdev.com the HTC Rhyme is not listed...
DominatingSystem said:
Can you tell me how you unlocked this ?
Because on the Site htcdev.com the HTC Rhyme is not listed...
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Already answering ur question .. just visit the website he mentioned. And u have to get some quote by adb (all procedure explain on website while doing the procesdure) then they email u some code and u have to enter it by adb. And u r unlocked.
But the question is still there from my side too that y its not s-off?
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Ok thx,
and the answer why its not s-off are explained also on the site ^^
Why is my security still on (S-On) after I have unlocked my bootloader?
Your device is shipped with Security on (S-ON) to protect your system software configuration (such as the bootloader, radio, boot, recovery, system and others). After you have unlocked the bootloader, however, you will have lifted the restrictions on boot, recovery and system. This means you can customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. You can easily see that you have successfully unlocked the bootloader by looking at the top of the screen when entering the bootloader screen. Security is left on to protect things like the radio, and SIM lock.
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Thats good, but not perfect...i hope any developer will get a solution..^^ (Donation guaranteed)
DominatingSystem said:
Ok thx,
and the answer why its not s-off are explained also on the site ^^
Thats good, but not perfect...i hope any developer will get a solution..^^ (Donation guaranteed)
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But suppose I also unlock my htc explorer via this site. And after I want to flash cwm recvry via rom manager. But my device is not listed in its drop down list from wich u have to select ur device before flashin.
What should I do in that case. If I flash somehow. Will mine be brickd or something
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Mhmh, i think the developer will add the Rhyme soon..
I would wait on each case...a brick is not excluded
The problem with unlocking the bootloader via HTC's site is IMHO that it's not only pointless, but you also loose warranty.
It's pointless for 2 reasons:
1. Most custom ROMs for other HTCs require the device to be S-OFF, so chances are low that the bootloader unlocking via HTC will give you any advantage in the future when it comes to installing custom ROMs.
2. If there will be any custom ROMs from the devs in the future, there surely will be a way to unlock/S-Off/root the device available before these custom ROMs will appear. This way will most likely be revertable, and you won't loose warranty.
There should be a Rhyme forum!
....so we need to vote to get one...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1416406
I dont have this device, but i would be more than happy to do some for this device.
But without the device the stuff would be pointless
May be some donations will take me and help me getting this device
Hello folks, sorry for the dumb questions but this is new for me. I have HTC One X (AT&T) phone, bought in USA. This is my first android phone and I barely know android as a software. I unlocked the phone buying an unlock code from ebay and I am using the phone on another carrier. My question is, how can i manually update my phone (what is the newest update?) since AT&T is not a carrier in my country and I cannot update automatically.
At the moment my software information are:
Android version 4.0.3
HTC Sense version 4.0
Software number 1.85.502.3 710RD
Kernel version 3.0.8-01155-gca24d1eroo[email protected] # SMP PREEMPT (why is there root in the kernel version, my phone has never been rooted?)
Build number 1.85.502.3_R2 CL63811 release-keys
Doing this manual update if possible will the phone be locked to AT&T again, or my phone will remain unlocked?
I'm sorry for my bad english and sorry if there is already a question like this (I watched the noob video and did use the search button)
Thank you in advance
If you ever want to root or flash custom ROMs or other mods, I would advise not installing the latest (2.20) version AT&T firmware. Installing the official 2.20 firmware updates the bootloader, which plugs the holes by which kernels and radios can be flashed from recovery.
If you want root, I would root on 1.85, SuperCID, and unlock bootloader. Then you can install any firmware you want, including stock rooted versions that are more up to date than 2.20.
If you still want to install the 2.20 firmware, you can download the RUU (ROM updated utility) from HTC and run it on a PC, with the phone connected via USB. The phone should remain SIM unlocked after running the RUU. But RUU will wipe your data partition (but not the internal SD).
A lot of this may be over your head, so this may help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784459
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If you ever want to root or flash custom ROMs or other mods, I would advise not installing the latest (2.20) version AT&T firmware. Installing the official 2.20 firmware updates the bootloader, which plugs the holes by which kernels and radios can be flashed from recovery.
If you want root, I would root on 1.85, SuperCID, and unlock bootloader. Then you can install any firmware you want, including stock rooted versions that are more up to date than 2.20.
If you still want to install the 2.20 firmware, you can download the RUU (ROM updated utility) from HTC and run it on a PC, with the phone connected via USB. The phone should remain SIM unlocked after running the RUU. But RUU will wipe your data partition (but not the internal SD).
A lot of this may be over your head, so this may help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784459
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Thank you redpoint73 for your answer, I will follow your advice and will root it on 1.85.
I suppose what I should do first is rooting my phone following this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644167.
Than I should do this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672284
Please correct me if I am mistaken
After doing all of that which firmware do you suggest or stock rooted version, or its just matter of taste? Now again the same question will I lose my SIM-unlock after rooting mt phone?
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Thank you redpoint73 for your answer, I will follow your advice and will root it on 1.85.
I suppose what I should do first is rooting my phone following this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644167.
Than I should do this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672284
Please correct me if I am mistaken
After doing all of that which firmware do you suggest or stock rooted version, or its just matter of taste? Now again the same question will I lose my SIM-unlock after rooting mt phone?
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The root method you linked is actually for 1.73. You want to use this one for 1.85: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709296
The SuperCID method you linked is correct.
ROM/firmware is very much a matter of taste, and what features you are looking for. If you want stock, you can install the stock rooted 2.20 AT&T firmware in the Development forum (after unlocking the bootloader and installing TWRP). If you want something based on stock, but with cool added features and customizations, look at ViperXL, CleanROM, or Nocturnal LE. But that doesn't mean that any of the other ROMs are not also great. And that doesn't even mention the more "vanilla" (no HTC Sense) Android experience you can get from AOSP based ROMs, and their variants.
The differences and benefits of each are simply too extensive to discuss here. Just start looking at the ROMs and see what looks interesting to you.
Take a look at my index to see all the resources in an organized list:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
redpoint73 said:
The root method you linked is actually for 1.73. You want to use this one for 1.85: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709296
The SuperCID method you linked is correct.
ROM/firmware is very much a matter of taste, and what features you are looking for. If you want stock, you can install the stock rooted 2.20 AT&T firmware in the Development forum (after unlocking the bootloader and installing TWRP). If you want something based on stock, but with cool added features and customizations, look at ViperXL, CleanROM, or Nocturnal LE. But that doesn't mean that any of the other ROMs are not also great. And that doesn't even mention the more "vanilla" (no HTC Sense) Android experience you can get from AOSP based ROMs, and their variants.
The differences and benefits of each are simply too extensive to discuss here. Just start looking at the ROMs and see what looks interesting to you.
Take a look at my index to see all the resources in an organized list:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
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I have a doubt. As I'm no from USA, I'll have no option to update the firmware over the air. How must I proceed in this part of the manual method?
Won't I have any issues with this?
Thank you guys in advance...
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How must I proceed in this part of the manual method?
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My advice? Stop now. If, in fact, "This is my first android phone and I barely know android as a software," you're not ready to root.
You need to spend the next week (at least) reading and searching and reading some more. Don't come back until you can answer the following questions:
1. What does "rooting" mean, what exactly does it do to your phone?
2. What are you doing when you unlock the bootloader?
3. What's the difference between stock and custom recovery, and stock and custom ROMs?
Once you feel like you understand all this, you're ready to proceed. If you push forward now, you'll almost certain to get into trouble that you won't be able to get out of without extensive help.
iElvis said:
My advice? Stop now. If, in fact, "This is my first android phone and I barely know android as a software," you're not ready to root.
You need to spend the next week (at least) reading and searching and reading some more. Don't come back until you can answer the following questions:
1. What does "rooting" mean, what exactly does it do to your phone?
2. What are you doing when you unlock the bootloader?
3. What's the difference between stock and custom recovery, and stock and custom ROMs?
Once you feel like you understand all this, you're ready to proceed. If you push forward now, you'll almost certain to get into trouble that you won't be able to get out of without extensive help.
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Hi iElvis,
actually it wasn`t me who said "This is my first android phone and I barely know android as a software"... it was another member.
I had an Motorola Atrix 4G which I rooted a coupe of times, but this one was made for my country market, differently than my HOX, that is at&t. But in one thing you`re right. I have not much experience with HOX. That`s true...
My question was regarding the part of the manual process which needs a communication between at&t and my cellphone. In this case I wouldn`t find any upgrade option to accept or deny. So i don`t know what would happen in this case... does anyone know?!?!
galitore said:
Hi iElvis,
actually it wasn`t me who said "This is my first android phone and I barely know android as a software"... it was another member.
I had an Motorola Atrix 4G which I rooted a coupe of times, but this one was made for my country market, differently than my HOX, that is at&t. But in one thing you`re right. I have not much experience with HOX. That`s true...
My question was regarding the part of the manual process which needs a communication between at&t and my cellphone. In this case I wouldn`t find any upgrade option to accept or deny. So i don`t know what would happen in this case... does anyone know?!?!
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Whoops! Sorry about that.
As far as I know, the only way is to flash a custom rom with the base you want, or to run the RUU for that base, which will leave you relocked and unrooted.
So, I have often received mixed answers to this and wish to put this to bed once and for all. I know that Motorola specifically restricts writing to /system (right?). But what about HTC's S-ON?
What partitions does S-ON protect? People have been telling me that S-ON also protects the /system partition but HTC's FAQ says otherwise. Here's a portion of their FAQ that talks about S-ON:
Your device is shipped with Security on (S-ON) to protect your system software configuration (such as the bootloader, radio, boot, recovery, system and others). After you have unlocked the bootloader, however, you will have lifted the restrictions on boot, recovery and system. This means you can customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. You can easily see that you have successfully unlocked the bootloader by looking at the top of the screen when entering the bootloader screen. Security is left on to protect things like the radio, and SIM lock.
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They also say that:
There are those who will insist on disabling S-ON purely to have full access regardless of security implications or to primarily promote specific tools and installation techniques that have taken the more convenient route of assuming all security is off. If a command line tool is deemed as inconvenient, developers can easily develop alternatives that would allow others to install their custom roms without having to alter their device’s Security-ON status.
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So, then why do apps like Xposed Framework and others require me to be S-OFF to use them? Do they need to make serious changes to my radio and SIM lock? Going by what HTC says, S-ON shouldn't be a problem to me if my device is factory unlocked, should it?
Request someone to shed some light on this.
buggerman said:
So, I have often received mixed answers to this and wish to put this to bed once and for all. I know that Motorola specifically restricts writing to /system (right?). But what about HTC's S-ON?
What partitions does S-ON protect? People have been telling me that S-ON also protects the /system partition but HTC's FAQ says otherwise. Here's a portion of their FAQ that talks about S-ON:
They also say that:
So, then why do apps like Xposed Framework and others require me to be S-OFF to use them? Do they need to make serious changes to my radio and SIM lock? Going by what HTC says, S-ON shouldn't be a problem to me if my device is factory unlocked, should it?
Request someone to shed some light on this.
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i could be wrong, its different for every HTC phone, For instance, i was able to Flash a recovery and rom on my S-ON ( but my bootloader is unlocked) HTC incredible but for my HTC inspire 4g and my HTC evo 4g it was required to unlock the bootloader and S-off the devices. As for something like Xposed framework, You are messing around with the framework = Ui changes which Sense Roms would not take too kindly, You cant even Use Xposed on Sense Custom Roms (i could be wrong again, but i think you can only Flash Sense Roms with S-ON only) as for your radio and sim lock question, im not sure what you mean to that. You shouldn't have to do anything to your Radio or Sim if you are going to S-OFF. s-on is to keep us developers from doing stuff and lock down some areas. Its late in my end so if you didnt understand something thats because i stayed up to late and such, ill be happy to try again to re-explain.
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i could be wrong, its different for every HTC phone, For instance, i was able to Flash a recovery and rom on my S-ON ( but my bootloader is unlocked) HTC incredible but for my HTC inspire 4g and my HTC evo 4g it was required to unlock the bootloader and S-off the devices. As for something like Xposed framework, You are messing around with the framework = Ui changes which Sense Roms would not take too kindly, You cant even Use Xposed on Sense Custom Roms (i could be wrong again, but i think you can only Flash Sense Roms with S-ON only) as for your radio and sim lock question, im not sure what you mean to that. You shouldn't have to do anything to your Radio or Sim if you are going to S-OFF. s-on is to keep us developers from doing stuff and lock down some areas. Its late in my end so if you didnt understand something thats because i stayed up to late and such, ill be happy to try again to re-explain.
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Thank you for replying.. Really appreciate it.
Let me elaborate more to make the question more specific. The device in question is an HTC One E8, which is very similar to the HTC One M8 but differs in build material (it is plastic) and camera (which is better). You can call it a relatively poor man's M8.
The stuff I wrote is from HTC's website. As far as I know, Xposed works with Sense, since I see many Sense specific tweaks in the Xposed plugin library.
I am aware that with an unlocked bootloader I can flash a custom recovery like TWRP and flash an SU Manager like SuperSU. What I wanted to know is why do some apps (like Xposed Framework for example), which do not even supposedly touch radio and carrier locks, need S-OFF? Would tweaks like SDFix work without S-off?