Got a serious problem!! - Samsung Galaxy SL i9003

hey guys i own my galaxy sl since the day it was started to sold here, in Turkey. and i never had any issues with any rom i used. i'm not really sure but i guess everything began when i started to use LF2 with BAM kernel. i just did what i always did, flashed XXKPE, and after that flashed LF2. and everything goes well. but when the phone starts and asks for my pin code - whopp - it suddenly reboots itself. i always thought that this is normal since it happened a lot to me.
but i realized that it wasn't just an ordinary reboot. after the reboot the phone starts just normally. everything seems to be working. i just download the apps i need from google play and - whooppp - again, the screen goes off. but this time it doesn't even reboot. just got a blank screen. and after a few seconds the phone shuts itself totally off. after pushing the power button it opens but after the shining Samsung logo it just shuts itself off again.
And another issue,
while using mobile data the first 30 seconds are normal. i just open my web browser, search for something and suddenly the data transfer stops and the web page is not opening anymore. after a few 30 seconds my signal gets lost. and again after a few seconds more the phone shuts itself off again.
you can't even imagine how annoying this is. i'm not able to do anything with my phone. and i don't want to buy a new phone until summer. i experienced this issues always on clean roms. i always used the pit file and always made careful flashings. and like i said i haven't had any issues since the beginning of last week. just wanted to know if anyone has some suggestions or anyone else is facing the same problems. thanks in advance that read all this stuff, even if you're not able to help me...

try flashing the previous rom which was working perfectly on ur sl.if u have a backup try restoring it.

thanks for your reply but like i said nothing has worked. anyways i the samsung customer service solved my problem. my battery was very very thick. i could say it was ready to blast. in my opinion i think the battery was having some disconnections with the phone or it was just totally damaged. but it doesn't matter anymore. the service just replaced the old damaged one with a new one. and now it's rock solid again.

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[Q] Screen not responding to touch

Hi everyone, just got the tablet today and set it up at work, played with it for bit and everthing was working fine.
Got home about 2 hours ago and now when I wake it from Sleep, the touch screen is not responding at all. Have tried everything, power is 98%, plugged into a PC, did the hard reboot, even wiping the data to start setup again. But all to no avail.
The screen isn't responding at all. Its very frustrating as I want to play with it some more!!!
Hope someone has experienced this and can help.
had the same issue once...i turned it off and left it for about 5min...turned it on and the screen works again...
this hasn't occured since then..probably just a system glitch..
Happened to me once, reset the device and it worked. Now it happened again and its been unusable for a day. If it doesn't work tonight, the $hit is going to hit the fan...
Are you stuck at the lock screen immediately after booting because the unlock function doesn't respond to touch? If so, I'm having the same situation. I really hope that waiting a few minutes does the trick...
Edit: even did a full wipe and the thing is still unresponsive. I assume this is a very bad sign. FML.
Have you guys contacted ASUS support? They will probably have you RMA it. How long did you guys have it before this happened? Now I'm worried that mine will do the same thing.
ASUS support did want to RMA my TF that was having this problem. However, after leaving it off for a couple hours, I went to turn it on to wipe out all my account settings and the touchscreen started working again.
I have no explanation for why it started working though. The last thing I did before it was magically fixed was go through the normal shutdown procedure by answering the 'do you want to shut down' using the dock's mouse instead of just holding down the power button. Maybe that made a difference?
Blue_Man said:
Are you stuck at the lock screen immediately after booting because the unlock function doesn't respond to touch? If so, I'm having the same situation. I really hope that waiting a few minutes does the trick...
Edit: even did a full wipe and the thing is still unresponsive. I assume this is a very bad sign. FML.
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This is what happened to me. Stuck at the lock screen, no touch at all. After 4 days of waiting for Asus to reply to my email and several disconnected phone calls, I have returned it to newegg. Since this item is still out of stock I expect to receive a full refund. Which is fine by me. June 8th, here I come.
Same thing happened to me, just returned it to fry's and was able to avoid the restocking fee. Going to get the galaxy tab come june 8th now instead.
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I have weird little quirky things like this happen from time to time with my TF, such as having to hit the power button or lock button twice before it works. I think it might be more of a software issue than anything to be honest. Hoping that future updates will correct all of these issues.
I hope its a software issue....
Found a solution that worked for me. I booted into recovery mode by holding vol down and power. then I selected vol up to enter recovery. Then the exclamation point came up with the android robot. I left it like that for a few minutes then held down the power until it resarted.
It booted up like normal, no data lost. I then restarted for good measure. Came right back up like normal, touch screen and all.
Thanks jdmnash. I followed your instructions and it worked like a breeze. Should make this part of a sticky help thread.
Found a solution
Update: Tried every fix I could identify on the forums as I was also draining the battery as suggested on several forums. After 4 days waiting for the battery to drain, I was able to restart the TF and get active responses to the touchscreen. Unfortunately I had performed a reset and wipe earlier so I am having to reload everything. I am happy to have a functioning TF again, but have serious concerns about this failure and this awkward repair method. Additionally, I have still not had a response from ASUS support from 5 days ago.
Mine is constantly doing this. Randomly.
Its as if the daemon for screen touch detection crashes. The rest of the unit is fine but that stops and the only fix is a power button off, then on.
Something is not right here. Its vanilla out of the box, no extra software just the 13 FW update.
Will 3.1 fix this? Hopefully, as it stands, this will have to be returned. It is not fit for purpose, constantly failing.
same problem
Just picked up mine. Out of the box at a cafe it worked just fine. Brought it home and same problem as everyone else in this thread. Have tried all of the suggestions in this thread (except waiting for the battery to die). Even installed the 3.1 update via SD. Still no joy. Guess I'll try a few more things before returning it. My guess is a problem in the supply chain with the capacitors that detect screen touch. Doubt that it can be solved solely through a software update (or if it can it definitely didn't make it into 3.1)
my touch screen stopped working a week ago while i was at school. and i got really pissed and just kept on rebooting it and after like 5 or 6 reboots it started working. Havent had same problem since.
Hmm... thanks for suggestion. Tried booting it about 5 times but still borked. Draining the battery now as my last attempt before taking it back.
Update: I ran the battery down to zero. Charged it up for 30 mins and now it works again. Hope I don't have to repeat that very often.
BTW, the fastest way I could find to run down the battery was to power on while holding down the volume down button. Then just leave it sitting in that state until it reboots itself and then repeat.
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obi-nine said:
Update: I ran the battery down to zero. Charged it up for 30 mins and now it works again. Hope I don't have to repeat that very often.
BTW, the fastest way I could find to run down the battery was to power on while holding down the volume down button. Then just leave it sitting in that state until it reboots itself and then repeat.
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Hi , After the battery is zero and then 30 minutes charging, in order to make it work , did you discharge it right after 30 minutes or still you keep it charging ?
I got same problem with my TF which is really a disappointment.. I tried to factory reset, reboot ... but still can't make it work. I have to try this trick by draining the battery to zero. Hopefully, I get advise from all of you for this problem ?
Thanks a lot
Can you guys try using ADW launcher and see if things improve?
I think it did for me.

[Q] LEAD Rom constant reboots while charging

Hello all, I have an HTC Arrive running LEAD's 7.8 8858 ROM. I've been running this rom since January with very little issues. However, within the last couple of weeks I have been noticing strange things going on with my phone. Some mornings I have woken up and left for work and notice my phone is almost dead, even though I remember plugging it in the night before. Also, as of this week, after a reboot of my phone, the Call button shows Home Service instead of Sprint, but eventually changes over to Sprint. At times I will go to use my phone and see it has put itself in Airplane mode or has a locked sim card logo displayed instead of signal bars. In this case I have to reconnect to the network to regain functionality.
Now as of last night my phone is constantly rebooting while charging. I plugged it in last night and kept hearing a buzz (I keep it on vibrate), looked at the phone and it would be booting up. It fully boots to the Start screen and I can go ahead and begin doing something, but no matter what I'm doing it just shuts completely off without even saying Goodbye (literally). It continues to do this until I unplug it, and it ONLY reboots when plugged in. I've tried a battery pull a couple of times but to no avail. Its getting very annoying because it takes much longer to actually charge, and I also don't imagine this is very good for the phone itself.
I was planning on flashing LEAD's latest release to see if it fixes it, but I'm not sure if the phone will react this way plugged into the PC as well. I haven't plugged in to the computer yet to find out, hopefully it won't do this, else I won't be able to flash it.
Any ideas or suggestions? Has anyone else had this issue?
well i plugged into the pc and it still reboots however, when in the tricolor bootloader it does not reboot! so with this discovery i now know that its a bug in the OS causing the reboots. also, because its not rebooting in the bootloader, i should be able to reflash without issues, correct?
as a side note, the phone got VERY hot last night while left in to charge, so i will just charge my wifes phone and swap the batteries so that i wont damage my phone.
no one else has reported this issue with this ROM as far as i can see, only random reboots.
Sorry to hear about all those problems. Have you tried the latest ROM after the 8858 release? I suspect there could be some sort of corruption in the OS. If you haven't, I recommend biting the bullet and just restoring the phone. I also recommend flashing the latest ROM, since it has the latest OS version. If the phone isn't having problem when in boot-loader mode (tri-color screen), you should be OK to flash it.
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Sorry to hear about all those problems. Have you tried the latest ROM after the 8858 release? I suspect there could be some sort of corruption in the OS. If you haven't, I recommend biting the bullet and just restoring the phone. I also recommend flashing the latest ROM, since it has the latest OS version. If the phone isn't having problem when in boot-loader mode (tri-color screen), you should be OK to flash it.
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thanks for the reply lead! i am going to flash you latest release now. i am going to look for an alternative way to backup pictures outside of Zune and the PC, but i dont think any exist.
i will post back when its up and running.
i flashed the 8862 ROM and its been plugged in for about an hour with no reboots
plus, this ROM feels snappier than the 8858. an issue i used to have with IE, that is gone in this build is it would open Google every time i click the IE tile.
thanks for the help leadpoizon
x_orange90_x said:
i flashed the 8862 ROM and its been plugged in for about an hour with no reboots
plus, this ROM feels snappier than the 8858. an issue i used to have with IE, that is gone in this build is it would open Google every time i click the IE tile.
thanks for the help leadpoizon
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No problem. Glad your issue is fixed now.
Ok so I am no longer having the charging or battery issues anymore, but now my Marketplace is basically broken. When I can manage to begin a download it immediately goes to Attention Required, and upon clicking i get error code 8000ffff. So no apps will install/download from Marketplace. Also, on almost every game and app, it says this app is not available for your device, even ones i used to use on 8858. Some i have even manually installed and they work fine. Also when trying to even view many of the games in the Marketplace, I get error 805a0194. So far I haven't managed to install anything from the Marketplace aside from the Bank of America app.
I have tried resyncing with Live, rebooting the phone, tried changing Marketplaces and settings with the Marketplace Config app. Nothing fixes it
Any suggestions?
No one?
I'm beginning to think 8862 is to blame. I keep getting service unavailable errors from MP, or everything is not available for my device. I don't want to hard reset, but it looks like this isn't going away on its own. :/
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No one?
I'm beginning to think 8862 is to blame. I keep getting service unavailable errors from MP, or everything is not available for my device. I don't want to hard reset, but it looks like this isn't going away on its own. :/
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Sorry, I've moved on from this device, so I can't test anything now. I never had any issues like this on my device and I used it extensively for a long time after flashing that ROM.

HTC One M8 reset itself?!

The other day, my phone died midway through a call. When I tried to turn it on, the 0% sign showed up meaning it was completely dead. I had to urgently make a call so 30 mins later, I held the power button again, turned it on, and the phone went to the white HTC screen and then turned off. I finally got home and connected to my phone to my charger after. I let it charge for a bit then turned it on. I knew something was wrong when my phone was hung on the red Verizon boot logo for a while. Minutes later, it went past the Verizon logo and a pop-up appeared that said optimizing app 1 of 44. I thought this was odd because I already got the MM update about 2 weeks ago and since it updated, I never saw that message ever until now.
Once my phone gets past that and finally boots to the homescreen, I realize that a lot of things have gone wrong. First, I got signed out out of all my accounts (Whatsapp, Spotify, Instagram, Facebook, etc). On top of that, my call history was cleared, all my text messages were cleared, and all my contacts that were saved on my phone storage were gone. In addition, I also had to re-update a lot of apps including the HTC ones that you have to upon the MM update. Finally prior to those whole thing happening I had 10.7gb of free space. After this episode, I lost exactly 1 gb of storage and only have 9.7gb free.
I don't understand what could have caused this or why I lost all this data on my phone. Moreover, it doesn't seem like anything was deleted but my phone is just not reading anything that was already there.
mine just did this exact same thing after shutting off from a drained battery. It's like the data partition or whatever got wiped. Right now trying to log back in to everything and set EVERYTHING back up again. This sucks.
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mine just did this exact same thing after shutting off from a drained battery. It's like the data partition or whatever got wiped. Right now trying to log back in to everything and set EVERYTHING back up again. This sucks.
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i came here for the same thing. mine happened around the same time. only thing i can add here is that my storage is almost maxed out on the phone. makes me wonder if that had something to do with it. but then this happened to two other people around the same time. very weird.
The exact same thing happened AGAIN! I was at the gym listening to music and texting some friends while my battery was at 15%. Went from 15% to 10% in a matter of mere minutes and then from 10% just shut off. Couldn't charge it until I got home so I just kept it in my pocket. Got home about an hour later, put it to charge and then turned it on when battery hit about 10%. Same damn thing, got stuck on the Verizon boot logo and then the dreaded Optimizing Apps message showed up. Once it finished, I was logged out of all accounts, updates to system apps were gone, and widgets/BlinkFeed were gone/reset. And just like last time, suddenly 1GB of storage was gone.
Literally un-freaking-believable. I dreaded that it would happen when my phone shut off and yep, my fears were right. Going to do a factory reset once I backup everything. From there, I am debating whether to replace the battery or replace my phone. While it sucks that it happened to you guys as well, I am somewhat glad its an HTC issue and not just an issue with my personal phone.
Same thing happened to me at 40%
This was recently brought up in the viper rom thread, could be of help.
TidusWulf said:
Your battery needs to be reset. Hold down POWER + VOLUME (can't remember if it was up or down. takes about 10 seconds)and let it keep resetting and keep holding it for 3 minutes. then let go.
It'll fix your battery so that it drains to 0 instead of 13, but it doesn't fix the weird pseudo-reset problem. It's a known issue and many people are struggling with it. My advice is to set EXTREME POWER SAVER to auto-on at 10%, and if you ever see it that low, just turn it off yourself until you get a chance to charge it.
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Same thing has been happening to me since the MM upgrade. Before that I had NO issues with my battery so I find it hard to believe that my battery is the problem.
After the third time of this happening I finally decided to to a factory reset. This did not help, phone continues to die anywhere between 15% - 30% and revert some of my settings back to stock.
This is driving me insane as I rely on this phone for personal and work use.
Decided to call HTC support today, I did not expect a solution but wanted to make sure it was reported. Of course they had no idea and claimed to have never heard of this issue.
I am guessing that since the M8 is over two years old we wont be seeing and fix pushed out for this issue. I really like my phone and dont want to upgrade at this time.
Finally somewhere where people are actually having the same issue. I've tried factory resetting the phone, doing a fresh install of the OS (with firmware recovery tool) all with no avail. I note lose all my settings and app configurations every time the phone dies, shuts down or restarts. I hope there's a fix, otherwise it looks like a custom rom is the only way.
Has anyone tried wiping the dalvic cache? I can't get into the recovery on my phone so I can't try it, but heard I it might help.
Had the same issue last week
I was at about 20%, phone shut down. I plugged it in to charge, went to boot it up, and it got stuck on the Verizon bootup screen.
I waited a while and did a hard reset, and it came back on, but was completely wiped. So I had the same problem, which is a real pain, because I use the GOOD app for work, and each time that re-installs I have to get a new PIN. And I have had to re-install the app a few times in the past month for a variety of reasons...
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I was at about 20%, phone shut down. I plugged it in to charge, went to boot it up, and it got stuck on the Verizon bootup screen.
I waited a while and did a hard reset, and it came back on, but was completely wiped. So I had the same problem, which is a real pain, because I use the GOOD app for work, and each time that re-installs I have to get a new PIN. And I have had to re-install the app a few times in the past month for a variety of reasons...
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I feel your pain. I use Mobilepass for work and every time my phone resets it deletes my token and I have to request a new one.....
Here is what I did two days ago that seems so far to be working for me. I calibrated the battery. I have tried this in the past but could never get the calibration to work properly. Each time I tried I had the phone plugged into the charger. This time I didnt and the phone went through the battery calibration process like it is supposed to.
Since I have done this my phone will stay on until it gets to 8 or 9% and then shut down but when i charge and turn back on all of my setting are still in place.
To calibrate the battery I held the up volume, down volume and power button (all 3) for a full 2 minutes without the phone being plugged in. During this time the phone will start and get to the HTC splash screen then shut back off, start again to the HTC splash screen then shut off, repeat, repeat, repeat.... after 2 minutes release the buttons and let the phone boot up, plug it in and let it charge to 100%.
I hope this helps,
This happened to me today. I let the battery get a little lower than usual last night, around 13% before shutting it down and plugging it in for the night. Turned it on this morning and it booted up normally. Didn't lose any apps or data, but every time I did something on the phone it gave me those little hints like its a brand new phone. I went to settings and it says it was factory reset at 6:46 a.m. this morning (about the time I turned it on).
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This happened to me today. I let the battery get a little lower than usual last night, around 13% before shutting it down and plugging it in for the night. Turned it on this morning and it booted up normally. Didn't lose any apps or data, but every time I did something on the phone it gave me those little hints like its a brand new phone. I went to settings and it says it was factory reset at 6:46 a.m. this morning (about the time I turned it on).
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Did it reset your ringtone and notification tone settings? Thats what it always has done to me.
I would just like to say that the same thing happens to me as well on my HTC one m8. Battery suddenly dies, now even at 25%, even after a calibration which is just a temporary solution, and when I turn the phone again, SwiftKey settings erased, everything went to stock, messages and contacts are preserved, but the apps start updating itself even though they are not allowed to and I have to manually set a lot of things. It is a total confusion and I literally can't believe HTC allows themselves to not issuing a fix for this disaster.
Was it cold?
Same issue. With mine it seems to be when it gets cold. I was skiing today in 20F but inside my pocket this really shouldn't be an issue. It has turned itself off and refused to restart several times when it has been used to take pictures in cool weather (I live in western OR, it doesn't get COLD, by cool I mean <35F but >20F, usually > 25F). This is the third time it has totally screwed up the phone when it has happened. On another occurrence it reset under normal conditions too. I'm getting pretty sick of it as it is quite a process to get all my VPN tokens reset, get all the apps back etc. Of course it waited until the warranty was out to start acting up.
This time is especially bad, the phone will not restart properly and important processes just constantly flag as stopping so that I can't even get past the initialization screen. It looks like I will have to do a full factory reset. If anyone from HTC is reading...Not acceptable and I won't be buying another phone from you.
Unfortunately I've reached the point where I wouldn't be surprised if it is a programmed planned obsolescence function, but whether or not, this is really annoying behavior.
Sorry to hash up an old thread but I put up with this crap for 5 months before I finally punched and broke the screen out of rage during an important business tech support call when I was at the clients location trying to service their security equipment, it was so embarrassing having to tell them I have to come back especially since it was a remote location.
Mine would wipe contacts, texts etc regularly. I ended up installing Super backup or something and saving my backups on google drive and just restoring everything everytime it happened.
I decided to fix up the phone and replace the battery, broken charging port and smashed screen and unlock bootloader and root but flashing superSU didnt work, got stuck in a bootloop. Anyways through all this I wiped all the caches (including Dalvik cache) flashed the correct stock rom and did the battery calibration and that seemed to have solved the random shutdown and memory leaking issue.....but I guess I wont know for a while.
I have a HTC One 610, and like every once in a while it well automatically reset it self whenever I am in the middle of a text message, on facebook, or even sending an email on phone. Its getting annoying when my cell reset its self.
what needs to be done to it? and should I do.
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I have a HTC One 610, and like every once in a while it well automatically reset it self whenever I am in the middle of a text message, on facebook, or even sending an email on phone. Its getting annoying when my cell reset its self.
what needs to be done to it? and should I do.
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try a factory reset
I know its old but people are having the same issue still so I'm gonna paste this everywhere i find this problem.
There is a Modified stock rom named "Android_Revolution_HD-One_M8_53.1" and its almost the stock M8 without bloatware and so much more stability improvements. So hear me out and flash it with a custom recovery (i did it with twrp) and it seems to be working fine so far. Give it a go before you trash your -still so good- phone to the open seas.
Well, this issue is still happening. my phone has been doing the same for about a week now. ive made several attempts to reset the battery and had to reinstall back ups every time its happened also. the only difference i think now is that its happening at 90% instead of the usual 15%. ive been following instructions to hold volume up, down, and power (with the phone off) for about 2 minutes and then letting go. i have my extreme power saver set to come on at 15% but Im not even getting that low before it shuts off and resets. i have however noticed that recently that if you plug the phone on charge after it first dies you can avoid the phone resetting.. this may be a fluke but its allowing me to deal with the battery problem now without the loss of my data, contacts, etc.
This is exactly the reason why HTC One M8 is the last HTC phone I will ever purchase. Imagine the hassle of phone factory resetting on its own. Horrible.

Is it completely bricked? What should I do?

So I bought this Huawei Mate 8 and to be honest I really loved it, it's the best phone atm imo. And it's pretty expensive in my currency. I've owned the phone for a couple of months now, 4 months I'd say. And just 12 hours ago, problems started.
It all started when I attempted to use the fingerprint scanner and my phone randomly restarted. Huh, I ignored it. But it happened again when I tried to open settings. It'd crash randomly on random actions. But it almost always crashed when I tried to open settings or use scanner. I removed my SD card and then it worked fine for a couple of hours, then it restarted again.
And sometimes it restarted many times over to the point where I'd think it's boot looping. But it'd eventually start. I reset the phone hoping it'd fix the problem if it's software related. But it always restarted right before I could enter my Google account to start the phone. But it reached it's eventual death. It crashed again but it didn't restart this time. I tried connecting it to its charger, but no response and no heat at all, not even in the charger's adapter. And my laptop didn't detect it at all.
What should I do now? This phone is new and expensive. I'm very careful with my devices and it's in a perfect condition. The only incident with it was when my selfie stick got too tight on the power button for like 10 seconds then I took it out. That was the same day the issue happened, so I'm not sure if it's just a coincidence. Anyways please tell me what I should do right now, and yes, the phone is still in warranty but I doubt they'd change it for me, their customer service is **** where I live.
Update
A couple of hours later, it was completely and utterly dead. I tried to press the power button and it turned on, it froze on the Huawei logo for like 3 minutes then it restarted again. It's acting really random right now, random restarts and then completely dead, then alive again...
Update #2:
I hard reset again and it's working pretty fine for now, I'll update again soon, but I strongly doubt that the problem is gone.

Phone won't stop with the vibrations. Dear god.

Was wondering if anyone has run into this problem?
The phone was fine, rooted and everything, for a month give or take. Then all of a sudden, today, it started acting weird.
It was fine in the morning and everything, was able to use wifi, check emails, and stuff.
Then BAM, I tried to make a call, it didn't go through for the first 20 seconds or so. Then connected and a message kept popping up saying Phone is stopped or something during and after the call.
So, I restarted the phone. It restarted fine and everything, got past the 2 Samsung screens. Then hit the T-Mobile screen. and has been stuck on the T-Mobile screen for ~30 minutes now and just keeps vibrating.
It's getting quite hot, both front and back.
Any advice? Stupid Samsung making this a closed system so can't pull out the battery.
Can't even turn the phone off, only able to get to Download screen.
Weird problem.
Is there any way to pull the data and stuff off the phone at this point?
I'm thinking of going the factory reset route and do that to see what happens and see if it will fix the problem. It would probably not retain root am I correct and I would have to re-root again?
I could get into download mode and recovery fine.
You're just in a bootloop. Try holding down power and home.
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That happened to me like clockwork until I found these fixes here. "Everything has stopped" and then wouldn't not from a restart.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...-to-notes-root-install-xposed-unroot-t3411039
I refreshed probably 4 times thinking something was wrong with my phone until I flashed those fix zips in that thread. Solid ever since.

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