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Speed difference with rooting methods?

Wondering if there's a difference in speed when using Bubby's root method versus the ACE hack kit. I rooted my phone about a year ago, my GF just did hers a couple weeks ago, and I could swear there's a difference between the two handsets, though they're both Inspire 4G's. Just curious to know if there's anything to my observation, or if it's a case of things always taking longer when you're waiting for them, rather than when you're the observer.

What specifically takes longer on one than the other.

Tx Redneck said:
What specifically takes longer on one than the other.
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Oh, say for example things like opening and closing the app drawer, switching between apps, and general interface operations. I also find that my Favorites dialer widget tends to refresh a lot, particularly after a call - the icons will reload. That might be a different issue, but figured I'd mention it.
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Probably speed difference due to what's installed on the phones. Number of apps. Type of SD card (maybe) things like that. It seems that the more I flash and change stuf on my pho.e the slower it gets. So I've started doing Full Wipes every few weeks. Even to my SD card taking everything off and only putting back what I actually use. It realmseems to help a lot. Also I've noticed that when a dev makes a full wipe zip for the Rom, that it works better when doing that along with the full wipe option you get with 4ext
Hope I helped

BillTheCat said:
Oh, say for example things like opening and closing the app drawer, switching between apps, and general interface operations. I also find that my Favorites dialer widget tends to refresh a lot, particularly after a call - the icons will reload. That might be a different issue, but figured I'd mention it.
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That different issue may be associated, as it sounds like you may be suffering from a bit of lag. Have you tried running quadrant tests for comparison purposes? Not all Inspires will perform exactly the same. My wife's Inspire has always gotten a slightly better signal than mine, while my GPS has always performed better than hers. There will be variances with processor as well, although it should be minor.
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Let's not forget about ROMs. They all perform differently, too.

If you config them IDENTICALLY and yours is slower, then the proc/emmc may be inferior to what's in your wife's device. It's not unlike pc parts, you could have two kits of matching ram and one won't oc as well as the other. Same for processors too. Q6600 G0 SLACR will generally oc better than most other Q6600's.

Well, they're the same machine - Inspire 4G's, though I bought mine in March of last year from AT&T, she got hers in red from Target just about three months ago. The idea of variances between CPUs makes sense, though. Just figured I'd ask, since I hacked using Bubby's method and she used ACE, so I thought that might have made a difference.

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Well, they're the same machine - Inspire 4G's, though I bought mine in March of last year from AT&T, she got hers in red from Target just about three months ago. The idea of variances between CPUs makes sense, though. Just figured I'd ask, since I hacked using Bubby's method and she used ACE, so I thought that might have made a difference.
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Also manufacturers make plenty of changes throughout a product's life. Small revision changes that may reduce cost, increase stability, boost performance, sometimes lower performance. As long as it is not running 'poorly' then small differences are expected just with the enormous list of variables. Just take the faster phone and give her the slower one!

BillTheCat said:
Oh, say for example things like opening and closing the app drawer, switching between apps, and general interface operations. I also find that my Favorites dialer widget tends to refresh a lot, particularly after a call - the icons will reload. That might be a different issue, but figured I'd mention it.
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It could always be the rom. To compare better, you both need the same rom and version. With the app drawer, maybe you have the app drawer able to cache, and she doesn't? Just a guess.

Could be updated parts on her phone. I remember when I had my HTC Tilt when it came out then my sister had hers replaced a little bit before it was removed from the market and it was significantly faster than mine flashed with a ligh rom designed for speed.

Not exactly sure about this, but one would have to assume that battery charge levels could have an effect on the speed of the device and it's process speeds. the battery stays at nearly the same voltage during the charge cycle, but does begin to roll off as the battery power declines.
It could be said that decreased battery power would have a forced undervolt effect depending on it's level of charge, thus slowing down the device as it discharges.
Or....It's quite possible I'm full of crap, and have no Idea.
If you agree with the last sentence, please hit the thanks button out of pity....g

gregsarg said:
Not exactly sure about this, but one would have to assume that battery charge levels could have an effect on the speed of the device and it's process speeds. the battery stays at nearly the same voltage during the charge cycle, but does begin to roll off as the battery power declines.
It could be said that decreased battery power would have a forced undervolt effect depending on it's level of charge, thus slowing down the device as it discharges.
Or....It's quite possible I'm full of crap, and have no Idea.
If you agree with the last sentence, please hit the thanks button out of pity....g
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There's a voltage regulator in there maintaining the supply to the phone. The voltage you read in any battery monitor app is the voltage of the battery. The regulator should be feeding about 3.3-3.5v from that source, so once the battery drops below those levels, things die off. You are right, as supply voltages drop the phone wouldnt function at it's full potential, there is just circuitry providing the proper levels regardless of the battery's voltage.

Best battery Saver

Idk if this goes in Q/A or not I never had a Q/A section as I came from the amaze but anyway. What battery savers do you guys find best? I Use Batter Defender but doesn't seem to really extend it. Would i be better of not using one at all?

I use 3 programs to help me maximize my battery life.
1) Badass Battery Monitor to figure out what's sucking juice, how long I've left, and how long until I'm full.
2) 2x Battery to manage background data. This probably saves me the most battery by disabling that data transfer a lot of the time.
3) Lux Auto Brightness to tweak my screen brightness. It's pretty much on "dark" now all the time aside for when I'm in really bright light.

JuiceDefender
I use the free version and it's very good!

I think the most effective battery saver is to flash a kernel that has become voltage control features and undervolt the cpu.
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klin1344 said:
I think the most effective battery saver is to flash a kernel that has become voltage control features and undervolt the cpu.
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I'm not a fan of under volting the CPU. Mainly because if my understanding of Ohms Law is correct, it's pointless. And my personal experience with it seems to corroborate my feelings.
Under volting the CPU in my experience just introduces stability and reliability issues. I've personally never seen any battery savings from it, especially since the CPU should, theoretically, just draw more current (I) to compensate for the lower voltage (E). It's watts (P = ExI) that matter, and the CPU, if I understand correctly, is going to demand the necessary P for the frequency requested. So under volting either starves the CPU (it can't get enough P), or over currents it (it draws more I to compensate for less E). There are slight variations in each CPU, obviously, which may allow for a margin of under volting to be possible without issue, but the battery savings of this, I feel, are so small, any you notice are most likely a placebo effect. Your screen, and apps constantly polling the CPU or network are your biggest source of battery drain to worry about IMHO.
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I use Power Controls widget.
Unless I'm actively using internet, I make sure to turn 4G data to 2G. That alone saves so much battery. If I want further battery saved, I disable internet completely with a touch of a widget. Now my phone will last a week just by what phones do best: Making phonecalls and texting.

I'm on 2.1 GHz overclock processor and when battery goes below 30% it goes to 1ghz I can see the battery being saved
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k1llacanon said:
I'm on 2.1 GHz overclock processor and when battery goes below 30% it goes to 1ghz I can see the battery being saved
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With an higher frequency the phone will use more power, like a pc processor when you overclock it so this is natural, but overclocking/downclocking has nothing to do with undervolting, MadJoe is right.
With JuiceDefender for example you can set your 3g/4g to shut off when you don't use the phone, it activates 3g/4g when you use your phone and at regular intervals in backgroud so it can fetch emails etc.
All automatic so you don't have to switch off and back on network connection every time.
As network connection is one of the services that consumes the battery a lot this is really effective and really improves battery life!

I've read a lot of complaints about these PowerManagement Apps using more battery life then they safe.
I don't know if this is right.
At the moment I'm running CM9 with modified auto-brightness options, auto-sync and 2G/3G/WIFI always on.
I'm really happy with the battery life I get, so I don't see why you would need a Battery Saver app with this phone.

rickyoon.vegas said:
I use Power Controls widget.
Unless I'm actively using internet, I make sure to turn 4G data to 2G. That alone saves so much battery. If I want further battery saved, I disable internet completely with a touch of a widget. Now my phone will last a week just by what phones do best: Making phonecalls and texting.
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Heh, so why did you get a smart phone. Some older nokia's that can only talk and text can last for weeks on one charge, if you want a model # I can look it up 4 u.

Tips for Best Battery

So guys, its a fact we have a small battery for our phone but I was wondering, how do you get the best battery life?
Just post anything! What ROM your using, what kernel, your kernel settings or maybe a tweak you found.
I want this to become a help center for people who suffer from bad battery
EDIT: Also, have you guys expierenced a difference with unfervolting?
-Sugardaddy

Try Greenify in the Play Store. It seems to help for me.

I use a Tasker profile that will disable mobile data when my screen is off and when it's not being used. Don't know if it helps or not I don't worry about battery because I have a a portable battery pack charger thing
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Pretty sure there is already one of these.
Elementalx kernel, greenify to hibernate Google maps, use WiFi as much as possible.
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iElvis said:
Try Greenify in the Play Store. It seems to help for me.
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I wholeheartedly believe in Greenify! I have it on my tablet and phone. I've seen a jump in battery life by about 30% since installing it. Not sure if you will have the same type of luck or not.

There's many factors that can be affecting your battery. More importantly it depends on the type of rom you are using, assuming it's sense based... Try using elementalx 6.6 kernel, it'll help your battery; tweaked with the right settings. Power saver also seems to help a bit.

This probably isn't what you had in mind but my best tip is to keep my old iPhone with me and use it for media consumption. That way my android always has a full battery for actual getting work done.
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ECEXCURSION said:
Pretty sure there is already one of these.
Elementalx kernel, greenify to hibernate Google maps, use WiFi as much as possible.
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I've noticed on CleanRom that maps uses a lot of battery %. I've never looked into it, but I'm guessing you've found the same problem.
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DroidRunner said:
I've noticed on CleanRom that maps uses a lot of battery %. I've never looked into it, but I'm guessing you've found the same problem.
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Ya I have, usually turn off location services until I need them
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Arrow44 said:
Ya I have, usually turn off location services until I need them
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Why not just Greenify maps as suggested by others. Did wonders for my battery life, used to go to 15% in the evening, now regularly above 60%. I also use autostarts to kill some other processes that are launched by default

I'm using the stock Android 4.1.1 ROM unrooted. With my normal usage, I can get through two full days. I make sure to toggle off WiFi and mobile data when not in use, as well as toggle on the "battery saver" built into Sense. I also turn off sync for everything (Facebook, Twitter, etc) except for two Gmail accounts which only check for email. It's about on par with my old Nexus One that I moved from. Keep in mind, however, that I just got the phone and these might change, but this is what I've noticed thus far.

A combination of 2xBattery (toggles data connections when screen off) Tasker (toggle data in different times/locations) and Greenify.
On ViperXl/Elemental 6.7
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When it comes to battery life, the basics really are the most important.
here's a couple:
1. Don't use auto brightness. It tends to keep the display super bright even when it's not needed. The display may very well be the component that draws the most power in the entire phone! Look for widgets that let you select manually (I use "Brightness widget - backlight" from Google Play and even manually, I set the brightest it can go to 79%) or apps that still let you have auto brightness but more controlled (Try "Yet another auto brightness" from Play Store).
2. Use a setup as stock as possible. I know some people are going to disagree with me , but having your phone as close to stock as possible will have the best proven battery life. I think some of the developers here do amazing work on custom roms and kernels, but when people report good battery life you should keep in mind that are so many factors involved that it's hard to replicate it if you want to. Carriers test their phones extensively to ensure good battery life, and while I am NOT saying custom roms and kernels is a bad idea, I AM saying that I believe a stock experience is a more proven option.
3. It also has been proven that undervolting does NOT help with battery life because not only the difference in millivolts is negligible, it may cause instability and finally a reboot, which just happens to be the biggest software-related power drainer.
Hope this helps

im running clearrom 6.5 but i havnt been able to get greenify to work really. when i install it, it only shows a couple apps that i dont really use to begin with. correct me if i am mistaken, but greenify will hibernate/shut off running apps and the apps that the greenify app shows are apps that are currently running?

Correct. If the app you want to hibernate isnt running you would have to run it to add it to the hibernate list.
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EliWay said:
3. It also has been proven that undervolting does NOT help with battery life because not only the difference in millivolts is negligible, it may cause instability and finally a reboot, which just happens to be the biggest software-related power drainer.
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I don't know if I agree 100% on that one. Undervolting can reduce the amount of heat discharge caused by too much voltage being provided. A hot battery affects battery life both in the short term, and the long term.
Yes, not all phones can handle undervolting (because they're already receiving a good amount of voltage out of the box), and will glitch and reboot, which drains battery.
But, for phones like mine (which I can generally UV by about -75mv without adverse effects), the reduction in heat can only be a good thing for my battery life.
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Heat itself should not cause your battery to drain quicker. Heat is moreso an effect from the cause of something causing the battery to drain rather than heat causing the battery to drain faster. Heat can damage the battery which would cause it to drain faster... so what I mean to say is heat will often accompany the battery draining quickly but not be the cause of it. Hopefully this post makes sense.
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Yeah it's the damage caused by heat that I was talking about. I've heard a hot battery will discharge quicker though. But heat is also a side-effect of the battery providing the CPU with too much voltage, that extra voltage being provided has nowhere to go so that energy ends being dispersed in the form of heat. Which in turn damages the battery.
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But heat is also a side-effect of the battery providing the CPU with too much voltage, that extra voltage being provided has nowhere to go so that energy ends being dispersed in the form of heat.
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That is mostly incorrect. The voltage options we can tweak are not enough to make such a big difference, so you can and will still experience heat even with an undervolted cpu, provided the load is the same. And that's my point, that the difference in undervolting in millivolts is negligible yet one reboot can wipe out an entire day's worth of battery life "savings" from an undervolted CPU.

Ok well all I can say is UV'ing definitely decreases heat for me, particularly when playing games (which is when it heats up the most), and I can safely operate without reboots. Before you say it's a placebo effect, I check my temp regularly to verify it.
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[APP] Snapdragon™ BatteryGuru.

*SNAPDRAGON DEVICES ONLY*
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• Requires no user configuration - Snapdragon BatteryGuru automatically learns and adjusts the smartphone settings so you don’t have to
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xiam.snapdragon.app
It seems a good app. I think. It certainly has polish.
I'd like to know peoples experience and (improved?) results with this please. I can barely get out of the learning phase as I keep updating my device ROM so I know it will be frustrating/useless for many...
People seem to be positive on reddit and elsewhere which is the only reason it's caught my interest.
Cheers. :thumbup:
Please share your thoughts and experiences. Do bear in mind it will take 3 or 4 days to find out though!

Does this optimise according to game play?

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Does this only work on phones with processors from Snapdragron?
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Lag

I know i made some negative posts on the htc u11 but tbh i love this phone and i was just feeling annoyed by some things.. But i wanted to ask, i expected this phone to be lag free and super fast, yes it is super fast abd smooth but the thing is that it does lag with me and it is noticable. Happens a couple of times a day i think, am i the only one having lag problems? I do have the power saving option on and idk if it's what's causing the phone to lag or not but all i know is it does lag with me and it is unexpected since this phone has htc sense and snapdragon 835. Share your thoughts below

Not just lag but freeze

I'll share my thoughts : you should really stop openning these threads because actually no one believes you, we're all aware that you're here to throw up on this phone.
For who ? We don't know.
Maybe a simple Samsung fanboy who's upset because HTC made a better phone than Samsung's flagships two years in a row ?
Now stop please, it's not funny and it will not prevent people to buy the U11 if they want to.

I don't see Samsung logo on front... Soo no lag here.

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I don't see Samsung logo on front... Soo no lag here.
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Turn off the power saver. It's not needed with the Snapdragon 835 and it alters the distribution of the load between the clusters. Things that would complete swiftly and thus conserve power on the big cores gets offloaded to the little cores. The kernel isn't optimized to take advantage of the efficiency of the 835. With it being incredibly easy to get 7 hours of SoT, there is no need for the power saver. Somewhere on XDA there's a very detailed explanation as to what the power saver does and why it shouldn't be used unless your phone is about to die but it curbs both clock speeds and shuffles around the load, preferring to not use the big cores at all. It basically abolishes the efficiency of the big.LITTLE premise and often has opposite the intended effect if you're actively using the phone.
If you need optimization, you can use Boost+ to set individual high drain apps up to be run in 1080p, limit background usage, etc. This is much more effective than essentially killing the performance of the phone and gaining little, if any, additional battery life. It can have the opposite effect and in fact did so on the 10.
Think of it like this - the little cluster may take half the power per cycle than the big cluster (I don't know the exact numbers and highly doubt it's anywhere near half but it works for the example). You open an app that would have completed in a single cycle on the big cluster. That same app can take four to five cycles on the little cluster. You've just thrown efficiency out the window.
If you have a lot of background apps misbehaving and a lot of apps constantly syncing, it can be advantageous but I haven't seen any evidence of that since the Snapdragon 820. The 805 in my Nexus 6 benefited from it but my Note 5 with the Exynos 7420 and my 10 with the Snapdragon 820 suffered.

Lag?? OP must be in the wrong forum. Please go back to your Lagsung S8..

I had freezes on my previous HTC(one m7), and the reason was some crappy game I installed. After removal - no lag at all. Just try and revise your applications and remove ones you have doubts

0 lag. None, Nada, zilch. Either the person who started this post has an app or setting that is causing it or they are intentionally trying to keep people from buying it...Which seems crazy...who would care that much...?