Hi all,
I have been using the ONDEMAND CPU governor for quite a while on my SGS4G running CM9 (Team Acid's version, the final herring one), and I have just gotten used to the 12-14 hour battery life that I have had ever since I switched from GB back in August 2012. However, most of the frequent users here recommend the SMARTASSV2 governor, so I tried to use that yesterday to see if battery life was enhanced.
If anything it seems that my battery life got worse (see attached picture). I am a moderate phone user in general; I use my phone for texting mostly, and sometimes I'll look something up on the Internet, but no music, WiFi and GPS are always turned off, no overclocking/undervolting. I recently purchased a new battery as my old one died about two months ago.
I was wondering, is there any governor for the CM9 ROM that is particularly good with battery but doesn't completely drain performance?
(Also, I tried to use the LZ kernel before, but it seemed to cause many more problems than it fixed.)
You've got some pretty bad wakelocks going on there. See how your phone is awake even though your screen is off? That is an issue. Also how much screen on time did you have on that run? Get Better Battery Stats(free on XDA) then fully charge and look at what wakelocks are occurring. You might also want to consider UVing if you want better battery life.
Also, if you're a fan of ondemand, I highly suggest moving to ondemandX, which actually does deep sleep when the phone is off.
But that will only help if you fix the wakelocks first. So follow hechoen's advice and your phone should be way more awesome.
Downloaded BBS today, we'll see how it goes.
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Meaning, does the battery life take a dip when you overclock to 1.5ghz. Does it get any hotter? Is heat an issue at all on this thing? Also, any performance or battery changes from installing the tiamet kernel itself? I'm in the wifi xoom btw.
Strangely enough battery life seems to be about the same. Heat has not been an issue mainly due to having the dual core, however its something you always want to keep an eye on.
Battery life is affected most by the screen. Screen> Network connections > CPU > RAM
There was a thread that someone made a while back about the things that affected battery life the most. If I can find It ill send it your way. After seeing the charts I figured Id try changing some settings.
things I did:
1. Set my max cpu freq to 1.19 min to 488 same for all my cpu tunner profiles ( I wanted to have my phone running the same all the time)
2. Lower'd my screen settings. I didnt need a pocket flashlight EVERYTIME I unlocked my phone.
3. Turned off un needed network connections. Its not hard to turn them back on when you need them.
4. I then looked for things that were running but were not needed by anything ( google maps are used by a few apps so dont disable it haha) I used Uninstaller for root users to get rid of some things.
After all these steps my battery life went WAY up. I have been doing the same thing on my Xoom now and my batt lasts the same at 1.5 as it did at 1.
I still get VERY respectable battery life at 1.5ghz, I can easily get through the day with normal usage. Yesterday night in fact, I left the house with maybe 75% battery life, used my tablet quite a lot throughout the evening(left the house around 9, went to sleep around 1am) and used it all morning basically constantly from 7am to around noon and came home with 9% battery left.
No problems here either. Woke up around 8:30 yesterday and used it all day sometimes pretty heavy. Finally had to plug it in around 6:30. I'm home all day with a broken hip and femur, so I've been putting it through the paces. Running @ 1.5ghz with interactive gov.
Chris
+1 on 1.5GHz having little effect on battery life. I didn't have to change anything else, either.
thats all great to hear! I suppose ill start looking into rooting my wifi xoom tomorrow then. Thanks for the help!
Im very happy with the battery life on this thing. I expected 4 hours max after a few weeks of use/charges. I never thought that it would keep up with anything Apple, Lets face it.. Apple knows how to make stuff run forever. But I was plesently suprised. Xoom +1000
yeah, the battery is good, but i won't know any damage to the cpu when overclocked ?
I wouldn't worry about any CPU damage- too many people have reported success (and no reports of failure).
Anyone else notice with the tiamat kernel that their xoom becomes very unstable overclocked at 1.5 using setCPU? Mine was essentially a soft brick at 1.5 constant rebooting and never able get pass the unlock screen, I had to rewipe with bootloader. I can do 1.2 no problem but don't even want to try going higher.
All of our chips have variations, so the overclock isn't universally guaranteed. That being said, I've been using the Tiamat kernel @1.5GHz since it was released with no problems.
Should have stated that mine is the wifi model, but yea thanks for info.
Here was that post I was looking for on this stuff. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=946
I am playing a bit with underclocking my DS (Using UNITY v4 kernel atm, will update to v9 later).
However, I'm figuring out the usefulness of it (to extend battery life mainly).
Does it really save battery life? I'm already using JuiceDefender, and its SetCPU function.
Or is it not very useful since the most batterydrain comes from radios anyway.
What are the best values for it?
What's the standard clockspeed for the DS? And what is the best Max IDLE clock speed?
Well, i wont underclock at all.
First of all there is no need to do that to get good battery life. You can do lot other stuff to do so.
Under-clocking is risky as it might now have enough power that needed to the phone. that means that some stuff might not get processed like calls and stuff.
Right now with me using miui i get life for about 3-4 days.
Standard clock speed is 1,000mhz.
I have mine underclocked to 600mhz during idle times and it's perfectly fine.
Never had any issues at that speed and it keeps my Desire S much much cooler which can only be a good thing.
As for it's ability to extend the battery, I don't think it does so much in my case. I typically run WiFi overnight and G/3G/H during the day and my display usually chews up 60-70% of my overall battery usage even on a very dark screen.
I'd pick a setting that you feel comfortable with but have low expectations of the benefits.
The only time I use underclocking is for using Google Navigation.
On a hot day using Navigation for over a couple of hours, my DS would over-heat and restart (usually as I was approaching my motorway exit). So I have Tasker dialing back CPU to 768Mhz when using Navigation, and it does seem to help the phone run a little cooler. I no longer have to take it out the case for example.
Using the smartass governor (I believe) automatically knocks the CPU back to 240Mhz when sleeping. Not 100% on that though.
I'm currently testing a new kernel, and I spent an entire charge cycle on 'Smartass' and then an entire charge cycle on 'Powersave'. Aside from lots of lag on the latter one, the battery life was pretty much the same!
Hi, my Triumph should be arriving in the mail in just a few days and i was wondering which is the best kernel or ROM and Kernel combination that is best for battery life? I've heard that battery life on the Triumph is not so good. Maybe it's false but i would still like to know.
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Hi, my Triumph should be arriving in the mail in just a few days and i was wondering which is the best kernel or ROM and Kernel combination that is best for battery life? I've heard that battery life on the Triumph is not so good. Maybe it's false but i would still like to know.
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I would go with CM7
That's what i was planning on. Does your Triumph give you battery problems?
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That's what i was planning on. Does your Triumph give you battery problems?
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The battery life is a lot better now with the latest builds of CM7 and MIUI.
I just use CM7 and leave wifi and bluetooth off, no juice defender or anything like that and I can easily go all day with no charge, typically about a day and a half and my battery is getting low but it really depends on what you are doing like games, wifi, videos and whatnot.
Before I think there was a problem with the battery draining while in idle but things have cleared up since then, There are also third party kernels you can OC and everything, but you can use them to undervolt as well to save some battery if you know what you are doing. over on androidforums there is a lot more chatter about this phone, just so you know.
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The battery life is a lot better now with the latest builds of CM7 and MIUI.
I just use CM7 and leave wifi and bluetooth off, no juice defender or anything like that and I can easily go all day with no charge, typically about a day and a half and my battery is getting low but it really depends on what you are doing like games, wifi, videos and whatnot.
Before I think there was a problem with the battery draining while in idle but things have cleared up since then, There are also third party kernels you can OC and everything, but you can use them to undervolt as well to save some battery if you know what you are doing. over on androidforums there is a lot more chatter about this phone, just so you know.
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Thanks. I got my phone today and im loving it so far. Do you know which of those third party kernels are good for battery life and that i can install over stock? I'm not quite ready to install a ROM yet but i already did the HTC Thunderbolt Build.prop tweak and obviously im rooted.
It's usually not the kernel but whatever governor you have it set to use. Even the stock can get improved performance if you switch the governor to such--”performance”--but I'm probably not the guy to tell you about which one is best.
I also have the silly feeling a lot of misconceptions abound here...in the form of ”I changed this setting and now my device lasts longer..., oh btw I no longer play with it 24/7.” In other words, use drastically impacts battery performance. JuiceDefender is an amazing tool but it won't do you a bit of good if you're testing out your phone's Adobe Flash capabilities regularly.
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The Savagezen and interactive (not sure if interactive is on any of the kernels for this phone.) gov isn't that great. At least not in my experience. I had SmartassV2 on my girlfriends phone and it got ~3600 on Antutu benchmark at 1.5 and when I used Savage at 1.5 she got ~1700. The interactive gov made my friends Dinc2 noticably slower. Just switching home screens it lagged to the point it was hard to get into the app to change the gov.
CM7 + TheOC kernel allows adjusting voltage & overclock or underclock. You really should flash a CM7 ROM. Having it just rooted can be dangerous because you're not using a custom recovery to make a backup image, and if something messes up, you don't have a backup ROM to restore. Going to a different ROM forces you to make a backup, then there's a backup to restore if you mess things up.
Governors just tell the CPU how fast to ramp up to a certain frequency, & how long to stay there. It's hard to balance fast ramp up (less lag), and low battery drain (spend more time in the lower frequencies). I like interactive/x, find that smartassv2 spends too much time in the mid frequencies (~500) even for light work. Using the app CPU Spy helps a lot to see what's going on. Also it tells you whether your phone is sleeping properly when screen is off, which is a big factor for battery drain.
I just got upgraded from CM 9 stable to CM 10 stable and I love it. Only problem is battery life. I feel about a 10-15% reduction with the new upgrade. I've had CM 10 for about 4 days now. I don't want to touch the performance settings without knowing what I'm doing. Is there a way to change my performance settings to extend the battery life? Also has anybody played with a different kernel with CM 10 stable? Thanks
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I just got upgraded from CM 9 stable to CM 10 stable and I love it. Only problem is battery life. I feel about a 10-15% reduction with the new upgrade. I've had CM 10 for about 4 days now. I don't want to touch the performance settings without knowing what I'm doing. Is there a way to change my performance settings to extend the battery life? Also has anybody played with a different kernel with CM 10 stable? Thanks
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Don't worry about changing the cpu and governor settings. There is an option to set at boot. Make sure that is disabled, so if you have any problems a reboot will go back to default settings. I use the conservative governor, and have my minimum cpu speed set to 192. I've read that that speed is not entirely stable for many people, but seems to be working fine for me. That has been pretty good for battery life for me. I believe the default governor is interactive now, and the minimum cpu speed is set to 384 by default.
Do you just "feel" a battery difference, or do you have any actual numbers to back up that assertion? Keep a close eye on Settings / Battery and use Better Battery Stats to record solid numbers and identify what's actually eating your battery.
Also turn off google now location settings if ur not using it. They are really hard on the battery.
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Disable Google now and battery should be back to normal here is some pics. Cm10 default kernel,stock clocks, no UV, on demand governed, and deadline as scheduler
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Thanks for the replies.
It seems to be my screen that is responsible for eating up my battery. Have had the phone disconnected from the charger for 4 hours now and all I've done is 20 min with screen time doing a little bit of texting and facebook and my charge is at 75. I have the automatic brightness setting off and put my setting at pretty low.
The cell stand-by battery usage is 8% during these 4 hours. Should I maybe try another radio or is this normal? It lost signal for about 10 min today.
Just turned off google now and selected the conservative governor. Let's see if this makes a difference.
I used to be able to go all day with my phone with CM 9 and I even have the nexus battery.
Thank you for all your help
That's most definitely not normal, at least in my experience. Are you using the vanilla CM10 or some variant?
Some things to try:
Install Better Battery Stats (find the free version on XDA via a search) to see if any apps are causing wakelocks. This is a must.
Use CPU Spy or something similar to see if your phone is entering Deep Sleep. This is a must.
Turn off Google Now unless you actually use it
Turn off all unnecessary radios (WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS) unless you're actually using them
Turn off all auto-refresh settings in every app you have -- all social apps and weather are the biggies
For me, turning off the default auto-refresh in Facebook, Google+ and Twitter are massive savings alone, then Settings / Battery & BBS will help you locate the remainder of the headaches quite easily.
You might want to consider swapping kernels too, or at the very least reconsider your CPU governor and scheduler settings.
I would stay away from conservative governor you won't get much performance out of that, stick with what comes stock and use on demand.... even the default interactive sucks my battery down
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Thanks for the replies.
It seems to be my screen that is responsible for eating up my battery. Have had the phone disconnected from the charger for 4 hours now and all I've done is 20 min with screen time doing a little bit of texting and facebook and my charge is at 75. I have the automatic brightness setting off and put my setting at pretty low.
The cell stand-by battery usage is 8% during these 4 hours. Should I maybe try another radio or is this normal? It lost signal for about 10 min today.
Just turned off google now and selected the conservative governor. Let's see if this makes a difference.
I used to be able to go all day with my phone with CM 9 and I even have the nexus battery.
Thank you for all your help
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Don't use conservative, your phone is gonna be very slow and suck
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I'm currently running the vanilla CM10
Turned off google now location access and set the govern to on demand early this morning and it is performing a little better most def.
I have noticed that my phone lost signal 4 times during the day for periods varying 5-10 min. I am currently on the I727UCLF6 radio. I'm thinking maybe I should try another one. Could that help with that battery maybe?
I have been thinking about switching kernels but I am a little doubtful because I don't want to mess up my phone too much since I so heavily depend on it. I loved the hotcakez kernel that came with AOCP, maybe i'll give it a shot this weekend.
Thanks for all the help people! Def the best forum by far on the web.
abehbeh said:
I'm currently running the vanilla CM10
Turned off google now location access and set the govern to on demand early this morning and it is performing a little better most def.
I have noticed that my phone lost signal 4 times during the day for periods varying 5-10 min. I am currently on the I727UCLF6 radio. I'm thinking maybe I should try another one. Could that help with that battery maybe?
I have been thinking about switching kernels but I am a little doubtful because I don't want to mess up my phone too much since I so heavily depend on it. I loved the hotcakez kernel that came with AOCP, maybe i'll give it a shot this weekend.
Thanks for all the help people! Def the best forum by far on the web.
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Just do a nandroid backup of the entire phone first before installing a new kernel and your risk drops to zero. If you install it and it all goes to hell, just boot back into recovery and restore your backup.
As for radio ... if you drop signal that often and your phone is constantly searching for one, I suppose that could impact the battery, sure. Are you certain you're in an area with solid coverage, though?
Learn more about the different governors and schedulers: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1950084
Yea I might have to play around with some kernels this weekend. Luckily it is a long weekend so I'll have some time if I mess up
My phone will go from 4 bars and a good signal at -78 dBM in my apartment and then randomly I'll lose signal for abut 5-10 minutes. A restart usually does the trick or I can just wait until it regains the signal which can be frustrating. I never had any problems with my signal at home running CM 10 so that leads me to think that there might be some problems with the radio.
Just want to confirm that these are the 5 radios I can use for AT&T even though I'm running JB.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1754473
I've been using a UCLI3 modem I found on XDA a couple of weeks ago, it has been incredibly stable and strong for me. But as many people far wiser than me have said elsewhere, everyone's mileage with radios varies and it really just takes some testing to see what works best for you.
so I should be able to run the 5 ICS radios I found eventho im running jb right?
thanks for your help
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so I should be able to run the 5 ICS radios I found eventho im running jb right?
thanks for your help
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Yeah if they are for the skyrocket.
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Im running Viper XL and the reason i flashed it is because i heard it has above average battery life, but im getting maybe 10-13 hrs max. I've heard cases of 24 hr battery life, and I cant seem to achieve it. I am running Beast Mode Kernel and have the powersave governor. I am running Stock CPU frequency and have one core active. Am I missing something, because i got better battery life on paranoid android which kind of suprised me.
You really have to drill down on the tweaking and settings. Took me a bit to get what I wanted as well. I completely shut off Google Now, you can toggle off LTE and surprisingly, I raised my min cpu frequency to 594 and ondemand. Shut off HTC powersaver as well. Try a reboot after you tweak up all your settings. I think battery life was better on 2.4.1 but it's pretty well on 3.1 too.
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Im running Viper XL and the reason i flashed it is because i heard it has above average battery life, but im getting maybe 10-13 hrs max. I've heard cases of 24 hr battery life, and I cant seem to achieve it. I am running Beast Mode Kernel and have the powersave governor. I am running Stock CPU frequency and have one core active. Am I missing something, because i got better battery life on paranoid android which kind of suprised me.
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I'm assuming you're running ViperXL 3.1. In that case, I'm surprised you're seeing such poor battery life. But, usage and settings are everything. Things like Google Now and GPS are major battery hogs. Facebook, Google+ and other push applications can also hamper battery life. Check your background sync frequencies! How long is your screen running? At what brightness? etc.
That being said, what strikes me is your kernel. You should not be using Beat Mode Kernel (last I checked it's not even optimized for the latest android version). I recommend you use the stock ViperXL kernel or Elemental v1.5.
I've ran ViperXL 3.1 yesterday with elemental v1.5 for more than 24 hours, 3 hours screen time while syncing 3 e-mail accounts. YMMV but with proper set up it's definitely possible.
Give us more information about your usage!
Alright, thanks for the information on the kernel, its a shame because i heard good about it. But as my screen time i run low brightness and im pretty heavy on texting, I used LTE for about 40 mins total today. can you tell me the way you disabled google now? I've been tweaking the settings a bit and i guess i just havent found my sweet spot.
Edit: And im running 2.4.1 actually sorry should of put that in first post.
Complaining about 13 hours of battery life. O__o
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Not a complaint! I'm Just saying i've heard of better
Battery life is a very elusive thing. There are simply too many variables. For every ROM, radio, etc. where people will say they have much better battery life, you will almost certainly find others that have worse. Its just a fact of life with modding phones.
I've gotten about a day and a half on a single charge ever since the phone was released, and over 48 hours with later firmware versions (stock and custom ROMs) as of 2.2X and newer. Some folks can't even get through a half a day.
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Not a complaint! I'm Just saying i've heard of better
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CleanRom 5.1 might get a little better, but I've had about the same battery life using Viper XL 3.1. A lot of the other things to look at are certain apps that seem to cause a lot of drain (depending on options). The most frequently mentioned are: Google Now, Facebook, and Maps. Other than that, lower brightness and shutting off LTE are the next biggest contenders.