Related
Right I've searched far and wide for a solution to this problem. I've got one of those new android 7 inch tablets. but being one of those cheapy unbranded things there is nout on the web about them.
Basically when i play games it has to scale them to the 7" screen and it just cant cope.Not even with stretching basic gameboy colour games. (that'll teach me for being cheap!) So i was wondering, if like on pc games i could lower the resolution which I know would fix the problem.
Im running android 1.6 if that helps at all
Hopefully in a week or so Sammy announces this beast of tablet: 12" 2500x1600 display (give or take . Hoping they get something like 2GB RAM (a la SG3) along with a GPU that can hold its own against IPad domination.
For now I am keeping the 2 TF101s that I have, TF700 just doesn't look like much of an upgrade ... Jelly Bean (along with fixed IO) might change that, but I am going to wait for now.
rashid11 said:
Hopefully in a week or so Sammy announces this beast of tablet: 12" 2500x1600 display (give or take . Hoping they get something like 2GB RAM (a la SG3) along with a GPU that can hold its own against IPad domination.
For now I am keeping the 2 TF101s that I have, TF700 just doesn't look like much of an upgrade ... Jelly Bean (along with fixed IO) might change that, but I am going to wait for now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I/o is fixed with . 26 update. Very very pleased w my tf700 now. :laugh:
well samsung rolls out updates for their products like once a year
i thought i will wait for the rumored nexus 10 but decided to get this one, still have to wait 1 week oh my god, what can i do in this week?
I have a GS3 and I love it, but what i like even more is that Asus always updates their hardware...you dont have to wait 4 months for a OS update. I also have a G73JH which i totally love...asus are the boss
Every time I've tried using a display model Samsung tablet, I've been shocked at just how laggy things are. The resolution bump would also be barely noticable, on the TF700 you already cant see the pixels. If they do bump the ram to 2gb, with the nexus and almost every other HC/ICS tablet out being 1gb that means we're covered for quite some time app wise, even 512mb devices can still run plenty fluid.
So for me? No.
With very few 10in optomized apps around, other than basic web browsing and movie playing I really don't have a use for a 12 in android pad. Now win8 might be another story.
Plus Samsung still sucks at updates. We're jousting getting ics. They agreed to 18months of support, but at updates every 12 months they may have just promised a year.
So now I have to decide to go with asus' poor qc or crappy Samsung support. You can see why android hasn't taken over in tablets yet. Believe me, I love my android, I've got phones with verizon and sprint and 3 tablets. I won't bother with the other players yet.
No offense, but these threads are getting old. How many people do you really expect to find waiting in here? Most have already own or have immediate plans to. If you want to discuss a device vs device, and then start an appropriately named thread.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
2560x1600? No thanks. There's a reason I didn't get the ipad 3. Enjoy your 1080p upscaling or black box.
I got b& at /g/ for sh!tposting ;_;
It likely won't have a keyboard dock, which is something that once you, chances your entire experience with the tablet. It is why I likely won't buy tablets in the future that doesn't have one. I need productivity in my computing devices and the keyboard is a must to accomplish that. We may have gotten pretty far in our technology over the last several years, but it is going to be difficult to find something that can replace a keyboard.
legendary1022 said:
It likely won't have a keyboard dock, which is something that once you, chances your entire experience with the tablet. It is why I likely won't buy tablets in the future that doesn't have one. I need productivity in my computing devices and the keyboard is a must to accomplish that. We may have gotten pretty far in our technology over the last several years, but it is going to be difficult to find something that can replace a keyboard.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Samsung's post product support is by far the worst. They can keep their 12 month updates. They do it on purpose, so you buy their next latest & greatest product. So he'll to the noooooooo!
Amen
jdeoxys said:
2560x1600? No thanks. There's a reason I didn't get the ipad 3. Enjoy your 1080p upscaling or black box.
I got b& at /g/ for sh!tposting ;_;
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i think you don't know how to divide 2560 by 1600
nooktablet said:
i think you don't know how to divide 2560 by 1600
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think you know what I'm talking about. 1920x1080 (industry standard) does not fit evenly into 2560x1600. You first have to upscale it to 2560x1440 (16:9 ratio). If you choose not to upscale it, you get a big black box around your video. If you choose to do so however, the pixels are distorted because it is not evenly at a 1:1 rate of pixels and is more around 3:2 which will cause some distortion. Obviously.
jdeoxys said:
I don't think you know what I'm talking about. 1920x1080 (industry standard) does not fit evenly into 2560x1600. You first have to upscale it to 2560x1440 (16:9 ratio). If you choose not to upscale it, you get a big black box around your video. If you choose to do so however, the pixels are distorted because it is not evenly at a 1:1 rate of pixels and is more around 3:2 which will cause some distortion. Obviously.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
but that's what happens to the infinity too. and i don't think you get the "black box", but you just get 2 "black bars" (top and bottom), also because of the status bar in android, i think you only see a bigger black bar on bottom (i could be wrong about this, but you have the infinity so you know what i mean)
nooktablet said:
but that's what happens to the infinity too. and i don't think you get the "black box", but you just get 2 "black bars" (top and bottom), also because of the status bar in android, i think you only see a bigger black bar on bottom (i could be wrong about this, but you have the infinity so you know what i mean)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Infinity doesn't upscale anything. It may leave a little room on the top and bottom because the resolution is slightly larger on the vertical, but a good amount of that is taken up by the Android status bar.
nooktablet said:
but that's what happens to the infinity too. and i don't think you get the "black box", but you just get 2 "black bars" (top and bottom), also because of the status bar in android, i think you only see a bigger black bar on bottom (i could be wrong about this, but you have the infinity so you know what i mean)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
His point is more about the distortion than the bars. There's very few tablets on the market that wont letterbox to some extent because Android targets 16:10 and iOS targets 4:3. On the Infinity, you'll have the bar on the bottom but you wont lose any clarity. The 2560x1600 display, however, would because it would have to stretch it to play it without letterboxing on the left and right.
KilerG said:
The Infinity doesn't upscale anything. It may leave a little room on the top and bottom because the resolution is slightly larger on the vertical, but a good amount of that is taken up by the Android status bar.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yeah, that's what i meant,
2560x1600 = 16:10 aspect ratio (rumored samsung tablet)
1920x1200 = 16:10 aspect ratio (the infinity)
they both run android of course, so both have status bar, basically i mean the video viewing experience on the 2 tablets is the same (except for the high resolution 2560x1600 may make the video blurry, but about "video size" they look the same) while he said it will upscale or black box which i don't understand or maybe because i'm stupid
I enjoy using the KB dock with me TF101. The extra juice, the keys, the extra ports and I also have 64GB SD card in there.
As to the vendor ROM support , who cares much, most of us run custom ROMs anyway. I have GS2, a friend just got GS3, Sammy knows what they are doing.
As long as we get a nice JB start, we shall be off to the races.
And a whole lot of us are in the same boat - have the TF101 or 200 and are on the fence about 700's value, especially in the light of P10 and the gazillion of Win8 systems that will hit the market relatively soon.
nooktablet said:
yeah, that's what i meant,
2560x1600 = 16:10 aspect ratio (rumored samsung tablet)
1920x1200 = 16:10 aspect ratio (the infinity)
they both run android of course, so both have status bar, basically i mean the video viewing experience on the 2 tablets is the same (except for the high resolution 2560x1600 may make the video blurry, but about "video size" they look the same) while he said it will upscale or black box which i don't understand or maybe because i'm stupid
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just google the word "upscaling" and you'll know what he means.
Movies look best on their native resolution.
The Infinity WON'T CHANGE the resolution but it will have 2 little bars.
The Sammy WILL CHANGE the resolution to 2560x1600 by upscaling, which results in a little blurry picture and will still have 2 little bars.
Try to use a non native resolution on your PC monitor for example. Turn it down a bit. You'll notice the blurryness )
Exactly the same happens on the Sammy tablet. It will get stretched or "upscaled".
But that's only interesting for movies etc.
Apps for the 1920 x1200 resolution are rare, don't expect apps running native 2560x1600
Just my opinion: I like some smartphones like the Galaxy Nexus (mostly because its native Android with early update guarantee) or the S3 (but please Samsung, get rid of stupid Touchwiz)
But on Tablets I prefer Asus, they have more updates, listen to the community and they don't spam the device with a stupid launcher that slows down the system.
I am eagerly awaiting this device. So damn bored with my iPad 3 which gets boiling hot after 5 minutes of Safari (forget games etc). Should go nicely with my Galaxy S3. Tempted to get the Transformer 1920x1200 but I think I'll wait for this
3473 said:
I am eagerly awaiting this device. So damn bored with my iPad 3 which gets boiling hot after 5 minutes of Safari (forget games etc). Should go nicely with my Galaxy S3. Tempted to get the Transformer 1920x1200 but I think I'll wait for this
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm sending back my TF700 and will wait on something else as I don't think the performance is up to par IMHO. Wait on the P10, maybe? I had the Galaxy P6810 7.7 Tab from Samsung and it was a pretty good tablet especially once JB came out. I just got the SGS 3 this past weekend and the phone performs great, as it should, even with ICS. My days of buying a sub performing device and waiting for the manufacturer to fix it later via updates is over. If it's a top dollar product and doesn't perform out of the box, forget it.
I have noticed today after the update that the fonts in my browser appear much more pixelated than before the update. Fonts that were a nice black before seem to be grayish now. Clean edges look fuzzy. I know it's different. I has been bugging me all day.
Has anyone else noticed this?
Thats funny, because i was just thinking the complete opposite after the update. Maybe im just finally getting used to the resolution after owning two infinities.
mike619 said:
Thats funny, because i was just thinking the complete opposite after the update. Maybe im just finally getting used to the resolution after owning two infinities.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Or maybe one of us is dangerously insane?
Sent from my awesome Note 10.1
The update gave me retina 2048x1536 resolution but games are jerky and slow now due to GPU not being able to keep up with the increase of pixels. I'm going to ask Madfinger/Dead Trigger, Gameloft/Modern Combat 3, etc. to scale down to 1024x768 resolution.
mi7chy said:
The update gave me retina 2048x1536 resolution but games are jerky and slow now due to GPU not being able to keep up with the increase of pixels. I'm going to ask Madfinger/Dead Trigger, Gameloft/Modern Combat 3, etc. to scale down to 1024x768 resolution.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes I have heard of this happening. I read that submerging your tablet in water solves this problem.
Sent from my awesome Note 10.1
Display and fonts still look great after update. Try going into settings then display options. I have my display mode set to dynamic. Seems to pump out the best looking display. You have dynamic, standard, and movie display modes. I wish the manual detailed more what each of those does. You can still see the changes on the pic in THST option.
So i have just rooted my tablet and with a few quirks it works awesome. sometimes the wallpaper will black out and come back but thats not my issue. my issue is that the tablet is so much faster, on the homescreen anyway. the apps open and transfer so quickly i might just keep it like that. anyone else get this weird, uh thing?
curiousmileo said:
So i have just rooted my tablet and with a few quirks it works awesome. sometimes the wallpaper will black out and come back but thats not my issue. my issue is that the tablet is so much faster, on the homescreen anyway. the apps open and transfer so quickly i might just keep it like that. anyone else get this weird, uh thing?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well i don't know about a black wallpaper but the tablet is definitely smooth with all the system wallpapers.
Obviously the more pixels it has to render the slower it is. Colours are more intensive than a lack of colour (black). And a live wallpaper is the most cpu-intensive.
yea that makes sense but to have the difference be that substantial is pretty ridiculous. having a live wallpaper and being a little jerky here and there is fine but the difference from stock wallpaper to no wallpaper and high res ones is insane
No, it's not insane. You appear to forget we're talking about 1920 by 1200 pixels. That's 2304000 pixels. If they're black, nothing has to be rendered, the value is simply 0.
Any photoshopper can tell you more colour means more resources used, and the bigger the image the more it lags.
No, it's not insane. You appear to forget we're talking about 1920 by 1200 pixels. That's 2304000 pixels. If they're black, nothing has to be rendered, the value is simply 0.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The black background still has to be rendered, otherwise you would see the old content that was there before. And obviously, any solid color uses the same amount of resources.
I see what you're saying and it makes sense but shouldn't a device of this stature not be so affected from this? My evo when both on blank wallpaper and a high res one there is no difference in how fast the tablet works and especially how fast apps open. In the tablet though, its very night and day.
curiousmileo said:
I see what you're saying and it makes sense but shouldn't a device of this stature not be so affected from this?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I work on a uni computer especially dedicated to heavy rendering and photoshopping. It runs two GTX 680 2GB in sli, an Intel Core i7-990X Extreme Edition overclocked at 4.2ghz and 32GB ram. (And they won't let me game on it... ) If I try to scroll on a 200% zoom 5000x5000px canvas all black, it's gliding on ice. If I do the same on one with more than 8 colours, it lags more and more as more colours are added. This is basic physics.
_that said:
The black background still has to be rendered, otherwise you would see the old content that was there before. And obviously, any solid color uses the same amount of resources.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes that's true. The colour itself doesn't really matter, just the amount of different colours.
ok well why is my phone not affected by this?
curiousmileo said:
ok well why is my phone not affected by this?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lower screen resolution.
Hello everybody
I recently picked up new shield tablet k1 and played with it a bit until i noticed something strange i didnt experience with my other tablets - banding. Everything looks OK if you browse photos, websites etc, but any 3D game shows horrible banding in place of gradients. Im running stock kernel with OTA 1.2, no idea if it happened with 1.1 because i updated right away after first booting my tablet. Also checked every possible colour settings, force gpu rendering, wipe erase data and reinstalling it all also makes no difference.
It doesnt look like screen issue because gradients on lcd test websites look great. I'll pick some screenshots later when im back home to show my issue, just wondering if anybody else had the same problem and any tips are very welcome.
Could you give us some examples of games that show this problem? I personally haven't ever noticed this, but I'll try some new games (to me anyway) and let you know if I have the same thing.
Sent from my SHIELD Tablet K1 using Tapatalk
Exile1975 said:
Could you give us some examples of games that show this problem? I personally haven't ever noticed this, but I'll try some new games (to me anyway) and let you know if I have the same thing.
Sent from my SHIELD Tablet K1 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It happens for example in Simcity Buildit, where its most noticeable on loading screens, but with closer look also on gui elements. Also in games like Rayman Adventures, Marvel Contest of Champions or Modern Combat
Here's screenshot from Simcity loading screen
Code:
oi66.tinypic.com/28lgem9.jpg
Same here but I only notice it when using full brightness.
I think the developers use only 16 bit graphics. That in combination with the large full hd screen makes that more noticable than on larger screens.
edisso10018 said:
Same here but I only notice it when using full brightness.
I think the developers use only 16 bit graphics. That in combination with the large full hd screen makes that more noticable than on larger screens.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This makes no sense as those games are supposed to be optimized for shield, developers would have to forcre 16 bit rendering for Tegra exclusively. Those games look better on much weaker devices.
Hi, I have also this problem playing Minecraft, Geometry Dash and the same Rayman Adventures. I thought it could resolve with a wipe but nothing. Strangest thing I noted is that is a software problem, since you can see those bands also in a screenshot or in a screen cast.
Probably we have to report to nvidia as an issue of the last ota
Did you contacted them?
I didn't contact them yet because im trying to gather more information, at first i thought its issue with my device but it seems this affects more tablets.
I did some tests. Seems like grey scales are more affected, but also other colours have this banding. I tried the same tests on Motorola Moto E and LG G3 and there aren't band. But doing a screenshot i can see the band in other phones too.
I don't know if this happens also on other firmware version or on custom ROMs.
I tested this with stock Android 5.1.1 and there was the same issue, so it's not ROM specific. Also worth noticing is the fact that all gradients look very good on images or websites. I'll try to test this with GLTools faking GPU info, the same trick allows Tegra to run properly XCOM: Enemy Within without graphical glitches.
If your tab is rooted, can you test if this happen in custom ROM too, or with a custom kernel? Maybe is nvidia fault.
However that is the weirdest. If I remember right, photos and web navigation aren't drawn by GPU, differently from games and particular test images, I don't want to say a stupid thing though.
Since I didn't rooted yet, principally for warranty reason, I have to wait any fixing ota, hoping that it isn't hardware fault
I tested it with GLTools faking GPU info with no positive result, so the last possible test is custom kernel and custom rom.
EDIT
Unofficial Kernel changed nothing. Didn't try with custom ROM yet and at this point i think its pointless. All seem that its Tegra driver behavior and unless it gets updated we have to stick with what we've got.
I believe I have the answer : the precision of the hardware (or firmware) texture interpolators is way lower than on other platforms. Maybe something like fixed point 24.2 instead of 24.8. See for details first result on google (I can't post url...) : "iq hardware interpolation"
I had extreme banding on a bloom FX on HP Slate 7 extreme only (tegra, was working fine on Nexus 5 (adreno gpu) and PC (GTX970)), on a dark orange gradient. I switched to manual interpolation in the shader, and the problem was gone. So I doubt the issue can be fixed with an android update, maybe a driver update, or maybe not at all as it could be hardware design, to improve performance (but at what cost !).