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[Q] Install Apps on MicroSD/SD

Has there been any announcement on the ability to install apps on the external media on the TF? It seems strange that this is possible for Android 2.2, but not 3.0.

I think this is mostly due to the fluid state of the partitions of the operating system in 3.0 On 2.x the /system and /data are set sizes so to free up some some space for more apps. On 3.x if more space is needed, it alloactes more space so app2sd is not needed

I guess in honeycomb you don't really need app2sd any more... you already have the whole 16gb available for apps

worthless microsd
i bought the 16gb version and a 32gb microsd card thinking it would be a cheaper way to have more storage. Instead it seems the external storage doesn't serve much of a purpose leaving me a little disappointed. I assumed Android was already supporting multiple storage locations but I guess that was removed in 3.0. Ideally I would love to be able to use Gallery to sync my picasa albums but if I did that I would end up with no free space on the main drive.

Gallery and most apps that came installed on the transformer have no problem scanning the microsd. Also more and more apps are letting you manually choose where you can have the information located (moboplayer, titanium backup). I hooked up a 1tb external drive with 600 Gb of music and movies and had no problem playing any of them. But boy did that suck the battery down quick.
I guess it depends on what your trying to do, if nothing else send an email to the developer and ask them if they could add support for additional locations

I know some custom ROMs for other tablets have offered optional methods for changing the mount points of internal and external storage. For example, setting the external card to mount at /sdcard and leaving internal storage for /Removable/microSD. I asked about this in dev forum last week but no takers.
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With 3.0 google finally got smart. Apps are installed to your internal memory the same as everything else. So you have 16/32GB for apps and everything else, and then you have your SD card in addition to that.
So having all that internal memory makes Apps2SD useless.
You'll see froyo apps2sd in ice cream sandwich most likely for older devices most likely, but in honeycomb it's gone.

Wait what? So does this mean you cannot install apps you download from the market on the microsd?

stcardinal said:
Wait what? So does this mean you cannot install apps you download from the market on the microsd?
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No you cannot - though why would you need to? Unlike earlier versions of Android, you don't have a fixed partition size to install apps to, so A2SD is largely pointless (in my opinion anyway - your mileage may vary!).
Regards,
Dave

lordgodgeneral said:
Gallery and most apps that came installed on the transformer have no problem scanning the microsd. Also more and more apps are letting you manually choose where you can have the information located (moboplayer, titanium backup). I hooked up a 1tb external drive with 600 Gb of music and movies and had no problem playing any of them. But boy did that suck the battery down quick.
I guess it depends on what your trying to do, if nothing else send an email to the developer and ask them if they could add support for additional locations
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With Gallery my issue is that I have all my photos online with Picasa, so I take advantage of the 'Offline' option to auto download some of my photos. The problem is I have no control over where these offline folders are stored, and it would be impossible for me to have all my photos available offline on the internal storage.
I am surprised at the lack of control over where I can store stuff, but I guess its better than not even having the option for external storage like IOS devices. Currently though it appears that I purchased a MicroSD card for nothing as it doesn't fit my needs.

Worst case scenario: if you have root, you could replace the directory Gallery uses for the Offline photos with a symlink to a directory on the (micro)SD Card. You might need to put a ".nomedia" file in that directory (to keep the media scanner from indexing those files and thinking they should /also/ be in the gallery), but it'll work long as you leave the sdcard in whenever Gallery is open.

magicpork said:
I guess in honeycomb you don't really need app2sd any more... you already have the whole 16gb available for apps
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That's great! I always hated worrying about whether something was installed on the current SD card.

magicpork said:
I guess in honeycomb you don't really need app2sd any more... you already have the whole 16gb available for apps
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(I'm Not having a go at the above poster).
Thats all well and good but if you use Googlemaps (Navigation) with the offline maps ala Htc Desire and others You can quickly use several gig of space.
add to that Copilot maps 2.5Gb or Aura 2.2Gb and that 16Gb dosn't seem so big, lol..
I bought a 32Gb SD Card for the Dock and now know that its a waste of time as you have to manually open any music or films as they dont appear in the Gallery etc.
I also bought a 32Gb Micro SD Card for the tablet which is where I want to put Downloads and the Gallery Also the Navigation Maps. But the apps wont see the data so again why have them.
So all in all extra storage appears to be a waste of time.
Hopefully some of the Guru's here can sort this out as Its crazy to have all this available space and not be able to use it.

foxmeister said:
No you cannot - though why would you need to? Unlike earlier versions of Android, you don't have a fixed partition size to install apps to, so A2SD is largely pointless (in my opinion anyway - your mileage may vary!).
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Dave
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640kb should be enough for anybody.
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AlexTheStampede said:
640kb should be enough for anybody.
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It was, at the time!
Regards,
Dave

jjal09 said:
With Gallery my issue is that I have all my photos online with Picasa, so I take advantage of the 'Offline' option to auto download some of my photos. The problem is I have no control over where these offline folders are stored, and it would be impossible for me to have all my photos available offline on the internal storage.
I am surprised at the lack of control over where I can store stuff, but I guess its better than not even having the option for external storage like IOS devices. Currently though it appears that I purchased a MicroSD card for nothing as it doesn't fit my needs.
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Lordgodgeneral already answered this when you brought it up the first time, but it is simple to transfer any of your media files over to the SD card. Yes when you first download your pics they will be stored on internal memory, but you can manually move them over to the sd card and they will still be recognized by the transformer. I believe the stock file manager will work for this, but I personally use root explorer.

jjal09 said:
With Gallery my issue is that I have all my photos online with Picasa, so I take advantage of the 'Offline' option to auto download some of my photos. The problem is I have no control over where these offline folders are stored, and it would be impossible for me to have all my photos available offline on the internal storage.
I am surprised at the lack of control over where I can store stuff, but I guess its better than not even having the option for external storage like IOS devices. Currently though it appears that I purchased a MicroSD card for nothing as it doesn't fit my needs.
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That has more to do with the app itself. If an app lets you set where it saves, it'll work.

It may be possible to have all the internal storage dedicated to apps (/data) and point /sdcard to the removable micro SD card with some fstab modifications. I'll try this tonight and see what happens.

HD GAMES????
ok guys i see last post was on june but do you realise that the new HD games coming out are about nearly 1 g of space some? there must be a freaking way to install apps or games on SD card omfg wy do i want extenral storage to keep mi fotos and music? this is bull**** guys pls lets get some way to have our games or programs that occupie more than 700mb out of internal memory there must be some way... pls scratch your brain ask friends ask parents ask teachers this is very serious....
Best regards... TF user... rooted ofcourse

jesseibiza said:
ok guys i see last post was on june but do you realise that the new HD games coming out are about nearly 1 g of space some? there must be a freaking way to install apps or games on SD card omfg wy do i want extenral storage to keep mi fotos and music? this is bull**** guys pls lets get some way to have our games or programs that occupie more than 700mb out of internal memory there must be some way... pls scratch your brain ask friends ask parents ask teachers this is very serious....
Best regards... TF user... rooted ofcourse
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Ithink its better to loose the games if somthing damages your internal storage. I have the 32 gb Transformer and thats more than enough for games. You can not play 30 games at the same time and if you bakup your game and gamedata you can uninstal a game and install it again if you whant to play it.
I dont understand why people always ask for intstall something on Micro SD card. Intrenal storage is much faster than a card.
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Memory issues?

Is anyone having trouble with pictures deleting or becoming unreadable?
I also had a app uninstall its self....

I have had 1 pic problem and a few SD card errors when I know I have 13gigs free. A retry on the download has helped with the app install though.

I downloaded camera zoom ex and when I take pics, usually the first file is unreadable. One recorded video did that as well. No issues with apps yet, lets hope it doesn't get worse.

mic_crispy said:
Is anyone having trouble with pictures deleting or becoming unreadable?
I also had a app uninstall its self....
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I haven't had anything with pictures, but I have had the erroneous "not enough room" error and apps have become broken (cannot launch..) and require an uninstall/reinstall. When this happens, in the list of applications, they don't have the "nice" application name, they have the real? name such as net.hexage.radiant.hd

I had installed a circle battery mod widget from the market and when i went to take a screenshot i got a r/o error. But ever since uinstalling said app its been fine.
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The attic is kind of weird when it comes to memory. Im thinking it mounts your external like internal and users the actual internal as internal. You have to get a third party file explorer to even see the internal memory. Kind of blows... But once you get used to it you work around it.
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So one of my apps that mysteriously uninstalled itself (but the icon remained) decided to start working again (i never bothered to reinstall it and just left the icon, but then it started working again). Weird.
And yeah, even pictures i took that "stayed" are now corrupt. We have memory issues.

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So one of my apps that mysteriously uninstalled itself (but the icon remained) decided to start working again (i never bothered to reinstall it and just left the icon, but then it started working again). Weird.
And yeah, even pictures i took that "stayed" are now corrupt. We have memory issues.
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I've noticed that the first picture I take is corrupted, I just have to take multiple pictures and everything turns out fine. I downloaded camera zoom fx and its 10x better than the stock camera app.

Do you find less issues using that app? Can it use the stock camera button?

mic_crispy said:
Do you find less issues using that app? Can it use the stock camera button?
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Loving this app, it has torch mode while taking pics... Helps the night shots a lot. Camera button works and it does a ton more than stock Moto cam app can do

Still having memory issues. Wouldnt save a single picture from my email or internet all day. "download unsuccessful" for web pics or "download failed" for email pics.
Pretty lame.

for those of you with issues, are you installing apps to sd card?
i'm thinking what it's doing is when you use apps2sd, it's mounts sdcard-ext as dynamic on the internal memory, but then redirects all sdcard items to sdcard-ext instead of /sdcard. ie apps2sd moves apps to /sdcard-ext and sizes that partition as needed (say 400mb apps, it sizes at 500mb). you take a pic, it goes to save it, but the system is now directing it to /sdcard-ext instead of /sdcard. it sees that there is only 500mb left and kicks it out or activates the low memory message.
if you're installing apps to the sdcard, turn off the phone, pull the microsd card out and pop it into your computer and see what's on it.
i also think that if you use a microsd card, you forfeit the entire 8gb internal storage.
then again, i could be wrong...

Ive been installing on the internal memory.
Thing is, some stuff saved on the memory card (ie from inet etc) will sometimes just become unreadable. This phone has some caching issues or something.
And judging by all the complaints etc, i doubt its a memory card issue.

ok, i removed my sdcard
storage still reads at 4.77GB internal
when i try to take a pic, it tells me to insert an sdcard.
8gb is a lot of space for apps lol 10k justin beiber fart soundboards

Jusy found this. I thik its basically saying the 8 gigs that are supposed to come built into the phone are already being used. Kinda dumb.... https://motorola-global-portal.cust...71812/~/internal-and-external-memory-(atrix-2)
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4gigs for apps is awesome! doesn't everyone need a couple thousand apps on their phone?and why in the world does a Linux based phone os need 4gigs of space?
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mtnlion said:
4gigs for apps is awesome! doesn't everyone need a couple thousand apps on their phone?and why in the world does a Linux based phone os need 4gigs of space?
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do you realize how many "talking [insert something stupid here]" apps and "[insert infamous person here] fart sound board" apps there are available?

This damn memory bug is really bothering me... i couldnt save a picture from gmail today to save my life. Failed. Failed. Failed. Cannot load.
I guess i can try a class 4 memory card? I have a 6 now... and with class 10 being out there, seems stupid that this would have issues with anything at all, much less a 6.

Have you tried pulling out your card and reformatting it?

No... i guess i could. Would just be a bit of a pain transferring my 16gb to the PC and back again, but ill give it a shot.
But at the end of the day, the phone does have memory issues, that more than likely be solved with an update, so thats good.

So, the One S storage space...

I know I've seen a thread about this, but not in the last 50 posts or so.
Question: does anyone foresee ever being able to expand our storage? Even with a border line dirty hardware hack?
I had built in storage on my nexus s 4G, and it was a pain *sometimes*
But, I've had my One S for about 2 weeks, and already have to delete stuff on a regular basis.
This is mostly because I'm a flash whore, and sense nandroids are usually over 1GB. I'm running MIUI right now, but will probably switch back, as I really miss the cool camera features.
But basically, with a few nandroids, some pictures, and some podcasts, my card will be full.
Anyone have any non-obvious ideas? (If that's a real word).
Obvious ideas would be, delete stuff, use SDMaid to clear out unneeded crap, don't take pictures, etc.
Someone please give me hope

Nothing you can do about it except the just the usual stuff
1) Sync all your photos and backups with dropbox. Can be scheduled automatically.
2) Sync your whole music library with google play.
You can just delete all your music, photos and backup yet still have access to them anytime you want. I am not sure about nandroid. Do you really need more than one?

I was just about to make this thread lol. Surely there must be a way to adjust the partitioning somehow. Like I've got 1.7 GB free on /data which I don't really plan on using much of, so I could move 1.5 GB from there onto the /sdcard partition. Similarly can also move a chunk of the /system partition since that has 1.35 GB free...could probably move a gig from there too and that's an instant 2.5 GB extra space!
I know people have succeeded in repartitioning on certain other phones, so there must be a way on here too. I hope someone can figure it out. F**k cloud storage.
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wilcoholic said:
Nothing you can do about it except the just the usual stuff
1) Sync all your photos and backups with dropbox. Can be scheduled automatically.
2) Sync your whole music library with google play.
You can just delete all your music, photos and backup yet still have access to them anytime you want. I am not sure about nandroid. Do you really need more than one?
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Not everyone has unlimited data plans, cloud syncing will destroy data allowances and eat the battery. And I like my music library on my device, what happens if I want to listen to music while on a train and have no signal? etc etc... an extra few gigs would be a lot more helpful than moving everything to space.

Then hook up your device via usb when you are home or sync with wifi instead..
I have all my nandroids and titanium backups on dropbox to save space on my phone.

I am on a data cap too. But theres nothing I can do about it. I just don't have space on my phone. This way its at least always with me wherever I go. And I just add/delete the recent stuff to my phone manually. Thats often not more than 500mb of songs.
The rest I just sync at home when I am on wifi. I don't need backups or photos on my phone at all. So if I need space I can delete them without worries. Its safely stored with dropbox.

Titanium and Nandroid backups aren't an issue. I haven't got any of those and when I do I can easily move those off. But what I want with me locally is my music and picture library. No way am I putting that on the cloud. I've just come from a 32 gig SD card with about 6000 songs, and I had about 16 gb free space still left lol. I had to convert all songs from 64kbit ogg to 40kbit HE-AACv2 just to get it to fit. And now with less than 300 mb free space I am deleting some songs.
But my point is, there are several gigs just wasted in the other partitions. It would be nice to make those user accessible.
So I hope someone can make a ROM/mod that readjusts the partition sizes when flashing.

True, but that's the sacrifice you make when buying a phone with a fixed storage of just 16 gb. But other then moving stuff to dropbox and removing them from your phone I don't think there are many options.. At least not until usb-host comes to our phones You could also buy an mp3 player for music (and a camera for pictures and a handheld console for gaming xD )

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True, but that's the sacrifice you make when buying a phone with a fixed storage of just 16 gb. But other then moving stuff to dropbox and removing them from your phone I don't think there are many options.. At least not until usb-host comes to our phones You could also buy an mp3 player for music (and a camera for pictures and a handheld console for gaming xD )
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Lol then I might as well go back to my Nokia 3210 for a phone

I have no doubts that we will be able to repartition the storage in the near future.
But to be honest, even if we do we would only get like maybe 4GB more. Does this really make that much of a difference to you?
I mean compared to a 32GB microSD card this is pretty much no difference.
So far, I still have about 7GB free, so I am pretty fine how it is righ now.

Someone09 said:
I have no doubts that we will be able to repartition the storage in the near future.
But to be honest, even if we do we would only get like maybe 4GB more. Does this really make that much of a difference to you?
I mean compared to a 32GB microSD card this is pretty much no difference.
So far, I still have about 7GB free, so I am pretty fine how it is righ now.
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Well, after compressing my music (the bulk of my SD card) to 32kbit, 4GB can fit another ~3500 songs. So it's a huge difference! With the 32 GB card I had plenty of empty space to dump movies, but every MB helps

djsubtronic said:
Well, after compressing my music (the bulk of my SD card) to 32kbit, 4GB can fit another ~3500 songs. So it's a huge difference! With the 32 GB card I had plenty of empty space to dump movies, but every MB helps
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Wow doesn't that music sound like garbage at such a low bit rate ? The only music I keep on my phone is .FLACs @ 980-1200kbs, or .mp3s @320kbs.

USB HOST
soulcrusher said:
True, but that's the sacrifice you make when buying a phone with a fixed storage of just 16 gb. But other then moving stuff to dropbox and removing them from your phone I don't think there are many options.. At least not until usb-host comes to our phones You could also buy an mp3 player for music (and a camera for pictures and a handheld console for gaming xD )
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What about that?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1629134
Anyone with a rooted phone already tried it?

DNW666 said:
What about that?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1629134
Anyone with a rooted phone already tried it?
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Well... the obvious problem is that the One S does not supply power through the micro USB port so anything you plug in will have to get power from somewhere else. Hence, regardless whether it works or not it would not be particularly useful as you need an additional power source for the USB device, like a car charger or a wall charger, which basically throws mobility out the window. Chances are that if you're near an additional power source, i.e. a wall charger, you're also near a computer so there's no point to use a USB memory stick when you have a few hundred gigs available on the HDD of your computer...

On a similar theme I've installed Sygic navigation software. Once you install the app you then download a country map (UK in my case). Map is about 350mb and also installs approx another 400mb which I think is a one off and will be part of the program. This is all installed to sdcard partition and no choice is given (that I noticed). As I've plenty of room on data partition I wondered if there is a way to move/force sygic folder there? I'm guessing as a minimum root would be required. I'm not pushed for space on sdcard but every mb counts on the One S

As I wrote in another thread, I think the best (but costly and slightly cumbersome) way for us to live with only 9.xxGB without using GBs of data per months will be to rely on portable wifi storage. Lookup for Kingston Wi-Drive and Seagate Satellite Wireless drives.

I've had to make hard choices about what I'm keeping on my phone. I also had a 32GB microSD with tons of music, movies, videos, pics, apps, backups, CoPilot Live maps...
No way it's fitting now. I've had to decide what really *needs* to be on my phone and ax the rest. Would love to see a hardware mod for replacing the stock memory flash with a 32GB microSD... just sayin.

256GB SD permissions and raw photos?

Many times a simple problem turns complex....... like now.
I take many photos on my phone, dSLR, GoPro, MavicPro, etc. and always shoot RAW. I do my post processing in Lightroom and Photoshop. On my S8+ I discovered LR is not importing the .DNG files. I find out it seems they need to be in the Camera Roll and I configured the stock camera to store them on the SD. I'm using the promo 256GB Samsung SD.
OK. I'll poke around with a file manager. In the rocess I find and try to delete an old folder. It asks for permission to access, I think no problem I've seen this many times before. HOWEVER, I can not grant permission the SD does not appear on the permissions screen!! Then I try a different software and see that the card is defined differently. One software even has it as a USB drive. Another simply calls it "Storage". In any case, I can't do much with it. The system seems to access it just fine in most cases.
I think OK I'll re-format it, dead end. How about merging it with the internal storage to have one huge single place for storage (not my favorite way since I may need to read the SD in a different device in case of a failure), this would solve my Lightroom issue as then I save .DNGs to the internal Camera Roll, nope.
I know I'm rambling.
The questions are:
Can this big SD be merged with the internal storage? Is there a size limit or is that not possible any more?
Anyone else using Lightroom Mobile and shooting RAW? What is your workflow?

Suggestions on how to deal with Comixologies lack of SD storage support?

My internal storage is maxed out. I have already moved everything I possibly can to my SD card.
I am thinking about merging the internal and SD storage, but have read that will cause tablet efficiency to drop. I am not sure how much. I am on the last update from Samsung which is 5.0.2 but am willing to root and try another ROM. Open to suggestions.
Thanks.
*Comixology is a digital comic book reader and store. They only allow comics to be downloaded to internal storage. If the comics get moved, the app will not read them.
Most comics are getting HD upgrades which is compounding the issue. I can use the browser site, but comics load slow, and flipping through pages too fast seem to break the site and the comic page will hang up and not load. The app is much faster and has a better page preview system. Plus I travel a lot so the app is the best course for me. I am in the comic industry and need access to the comics quickly and efficiently. I also live abroad (not in the US where most of the comics are from) and move quite often so purchasing paper versions is often not an option.
Some comics can be downloaded as a PDF (I think all image and quite a few inidies). I have already downloaded them and moved them to the SD and deleted them from the internal, but still am maxed out on space.
Digital Dark Horse allows comics to be downloaded to external storage. But their app is not as nice to use as Comixology, so I would prefer to buy DH titles on comixology as well.

That is one of the problems with Android tablets and phones. Since some programs insist on loading their stuff on internal memory, when it gets full you are out of luck. They do that to keep you from copying their stuff and selling or giving it away.

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That is one of the problems with Android tablets and phones. Since some programs insist on loading their stuff on internal memory, when it gets full you are out of luck. They do that to keep you from copying their stuff and selling or giving it away.
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Thanks Treetopsranch. And yes, I am aware of the issue and the reasons for some time now. Unfortunately the consequences are just now catching up to me. Several messages a year to comixology always gets the same response. We are not implementing it at this time but will pass this on to the developers so they are aware of the issue.

Have you tried folder mount? I used it for making my music player think that my music is in the internal storage.

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Have you tried folder mount? I used it for making my music player think that my music is in the internal storage.
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I have not tried folder mount. You mean like this one?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount&hl=en
Sounds promising. I am rooted so I can give this a try. Thanks for the suggestion and I will post my results.
edit: Can't add the app. Out of space....Gonna have to get to this after work today ?

Yes that one

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Yes that one
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Oogely Moogely! I transferred 13 gigs of comics to my external SD and they all open no problem at all. No lag or anything from what I can tell. I am now downloading the other 120 comics I had to remove to make space for new comics. (Some of those are single issue and some are graphic novels)
This is soooo helpful cause I am in the middle of making a comic and being able to access old "30 Days of Night" comics I had deleted is what I need when I get stuck or not sure how to go about something. Ahhh the access. And not using the horribly slow browser interface.
For anyone else: The data does not show on your internal storage when you check storage from your devices settings menu. It does show if you use something like DiskUsage. Diskusage also says it scanned %178 of my internal storage, so I guess it just adds what is not really there in the scan % but also says I have no free space, which I do. About %50 free space now.
EDIT: Just realized that comixology does not download comics in the background when the tablet goes to sleep. So you have to keep the screen on I guess. I couldn't find a setting for this in the app. Not sure if there is something under tablet settings.
If I find any drawback from this app I will post them here.

Well, how comes that you need them all at the same time? Why not download and delete them separately?

macmobile said:
Well, how comes that you need them all at the same time? Why not download and delete them separately?
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Well, I'm a comic artist and I often need reference or ideas from my peers. It helps me keep my art fresh and less stagnant. So when I remember how Tocchini colored an underwater scene in LOW, or how Samnee used a cool panel layout in Blackwidow, I can quickly reference what I need. The browser sucks for this because it is super slow and the page index is not as nice. Also, my tablet is my 2nd monitor so that is where the comics are the most useful.

Ah, I see, very interesting, but this seems to be a very specific use case most consumers don't depend on.

macmobile said:
Ah, I see, very interesting, but this seems to be a very specific use case most consumers don't depend on.
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I agree. But, re-downloading every time you want to read something, even for a consumer, is still ****ty. I am not sure what your point is though.

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I agree. But, re-downloading every time you want to read something, even for a consumer, is still ****ty. I am not sure what your point is though.
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Of course it would be better if you can choose yourself where to save your comics. But a normal use case looks like this: download on demand, read, delete, next.