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I'm looking to sell my ATT Htc OneXL and have had inquiries from overseas (currently I'm in the US). If I sell this to someone overseas, as is (no unlocked anything etc) will it still be able to work in whichever country they're in with a sim card they buy (I know LTE isn't available abroad)? And if that's not the case, will unlocking it via the new 2.20 exploit method, allow someone to use it overseas? Thanks!
shankinstuff said:
I'm looking to sell my ATT Htc OneXL and have had inquiries from overseas (currently I'm in the US). If I sell this to someone overseas, as is (no unlocked anything etc) will it still be able to work in whichever country they're in with a sim card they buy (I know LTE isn't available abroad)? And if that's not the case, will unlocking it via the new 2.20 exploit method, allow someone to use it overseas? Thanks!
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It "can" work on other carriers sim cards but it must first be sim-unlocked which most not be confused with the bootloader unlocked that you refered to as the new 2.20 exploit. ATT will sim-unlock your device for free if your account with them is in good standing, and there are other sites that will sim-unlock your device for a small fee. The 2.20 exploit has nothing to do with the sim card though.
In isolated cases, some people have been having trouble getting the SIM unlocked from paid unlocking services. If that is the case for the foreign buyer, they are going to be dissatisfied, and probably seek a return/refund, even if you state in the terms of the transaction that the phone is sold as-is and SIM locked. You would still be in the right to refuse a return, but its going to result in a pissed-off buyer, nonetheless. Not a position I would want to be in, personally. Plus, I would think that there would be enough interest from US buyers, that you would not have to hassle with a foreign sale. Especially once you add in the cost of shipping to a foreign location.
And as already mentioned, root and bootloader unlock do not get you SIM unlock. Might be possible with S-Off, but that has not yet been achieved. There is no way to get SIM unlock, aside from AT&T or paid services.
ImagioX1 said:
It "can" work on other carriers sim cards but it must first be sim-unlocked which most not be confused with the bootloader unlocked that you refered to as the new 2.20 exploit. ATT will sim-unlock your device for free if your account with them is in good standing, and there are other sites that will sim-unlock your device for a small fee. The 2.20 exploit has nothing to do with the sim card though.
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Thanks for the info. I'm in good standing with ATT so hopefully they'll allow me to sim-unlock it. Thanks again
redpoint73 said:
In isolated cases, some people have been having trouble getting the SIM unlocked from paid unlocking services. If that is the case for the foreign buyer, they are going to be dissatisfied, and probably seek a return/refund, even if you state in the terms of the transaction that the phone is sold as-is and SIM locked. You would still be in the right to refuse a return, but its going to result in a pissed-off buyer, nonetheless. Not a position I would want to be in, personally. Plus, I would think that there would be enough interest from US buyers, that you would not have to hassle with a foreign sale. Especially once you add in the cost of shipping to a foreign location.
And as already mentioned, root and bootloader unlock do not get you SIM unlock. Might be possible with S-Off, but that has not yet been achieved. There is no way to get SIM unlock, aside from AT&T or paid services.
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Thanks for the info. Yeah, I'm in good standing with ATT (as far as I know) and would prefer to get it sim-unlocked on my end before shipping it overseas just so the buyer has no problems with it.
I've had a hard time finding a US buyer. I've posted the phone on Swappa and Craigslist. Lots of looks but no real interest it seems like. If you can recommend some other places I might be able to try and sell it, I would appreciate it. Thanks for the info none the less!
I think 11/06/2012 is the date AT&T will officially start to allow the One X to be sim unlocked (by them for free). AT&T Customer care will let you know for sure. The online unlocking guys do it for less than $5 if you don't have luck with AT&T or don't have the patience to wait for them. Price is the key factor in selling anything, if priced right it will go fast. Priced poorly and it will linger with little interest.
shankinstuff said:
Thanks for the info. Yeah, I'm in good standing with ATT (as far as I know) and would prefer to get it sim-unlocked on my end before shipping it overseas just so the buyer has no problems with it.
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AT&T may or may not give the SIM unlock code to you. Technically, they don't need to give it to you for a period of 10 months after the phone was released (May 2012) per their policy. But have given the code for some devices after 6 months (which is right about now). Some people have already gotten the code for the One X. Being a long time customer, and multiple lines may have been a factor. There is really no guarantee. But certainly doesn't hurt to ask.
shankinstuff said:
I've had a hard time finding a US buyer. I've posted the phone on Swappa and Craigslist. Lots of looks but no real interest it seems like. If you can recommend some other places I might be able to try and sell it, I would appreciate it.
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eBay. Lots more exposure than Craigslist (just going to get local attention), and I've never even heard of Swappa. Maybe I'm just out of the loop about that website. But everyone has heard of eBay.
Looks like some really good activity on eBay for the AT&T One X. Not surprising, since its a great phone still. Not sure what you expect to get. But it looks like lots of AT&T One X's going for $200-300 with time still left in the auctions (depending on condition).
I called and 11/6/12 is the end of the att HTC one x exclusive thingy. This was two weeks ago but my phone was already unlocked when it arrived.
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Is this really what government should be focusing on? I mean really? I always get my phones unlocked. Some I buy unlocked like my current phone and some I get unlocked. Prior to April of last year I was with TMOUS for 13 years. I think I'm a loyal kind of guy but when I go overseas to Europe, etc I object to paying $15 per MB for data and $1.00-1.99 per minute and so I use my unlocked phone with a TMOUK SIM. Funny thing here is I was using TMO both sides even though the UK SIM still required and unlock.
Anyway, I just think this is bulls$it! Will this make all those unlocking sites in the USA illegal? Guess so.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...king-of-smartphones-becomes-illegal-saturday/
Not the unlock you are talking about. The illegal part refering to is often called jail break, not SIM unlock.
foxbat121 said:
Not the unlock you are talking about. The illegal part refering to is often called jail break, not SIM unlock.
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Not so.
Unlocking your cell phone disables the SIM lock that limits your phone to operating on a specific network provider. With few exceptions, most cell phones come locked so that they can only operate with a single service provider. Unlocking your phone allows you to take it to a new provider.
This is the unlock that becomes illegal.
Soon unlocking will become legal in the united states. Google ulocking legal and you will get the whitehouse response for the petition to make unlocking legal (I'm a new member can't post links don't wanna get banned )
abhishek1234321 said:
Soon unlocking will become legal in the united states. Google ulocking legal and you will get the whitehouse response for the petition to make unlocking legal (I'm a new member can't post links don't wanna get banned )
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Except White House has no power to do that. It needs congress to pass new law. And a bill like that is in the works. But with so many budget fights upcoming. This new bill is certainly not on anyone's top list.
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Except White House has no power to do that. It needs congress to pass new law. And a bill like that is in the works. But with so many budget fights upcoming. This new bill is certainly not on anyone's top list.
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Is it a bill that's needed or an FCC rule? An FCC rule/opinion would be much easier to to manifest than a congressional bill. Either way, the current status is a load of crap!
mobi said:
Is it a bill that's needed or an FCC rule? An FCC rule/opinion would be much easier to to manifest than a congressional bill. Either way, the current status is a load of crap!
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The unlock currently falls under DMCA law. Not sure how much FCC can do to bypass that law.
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The unlock currently falls under DMCA law. Not sure how much FCC can do to bypass that law.
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You're right. Enforcement may be a bit of a problem though... Can you really imagine the government using all it's resources to stop little old me taking my AT&T phone to use on T-Mo? Any way you look at it, it's a load of crap and I'm sure that this is an unintended consequence.
There will always be unintended consequence of any law.
As for enforcement, all it takes is someone rat you out Like your ex.
Here's some bad news for us. Unlocking new phones now banned under DMCA, but carriers are in the clear. I wonder what all this actually means for us.
More government restrictions that just bites.
It applies only to carrier lock circumvention. It has nothing to do with rooting or bootloader unlocks. Those are specifically protected.
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Well that's good to know. I wouldn't want to change carriers. Even though I don't like Verizon much it's still better than the others.
Update: It still sucks that the government wants to stick their nose in. The more control you try to exert the more criminals you have to deal with.
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I don't know the full repercussions of the DCMA exemption expiration, but Verizon seems to be moving towards SIM-unlocked phones anyway.
xdadevnube said:
I don't know the full repercussions of the DCMA exemption expiration, but Verizon seems to be moving towards SIM-unlocked phones anyway.
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Unless that's just Apple's power over Verizon
It basically only affects GSM carriers. CDMA is pretty carrier locked just by the nature of the tech. Both major GSM carriers now have ways you can get the phones unlocked through official means as long as the phone supports it and you are no longer under contract. AT&T is even unlocking the iPhone by default now if you pay full (unsubsidized) price for it, and they are unlocked straight from Apple when you buy it unsubsidized through them. None of that is illegal. The illegal part is circumventing it yourself to get around the sanctioned ways.
You gotta remember, the carriers are selling phones at a loss when you commit to a contract, knowing they're going to make it up over the life of the contract. The lock is another way they enforce that. You are legally contracted to be with them for the life of the contract to get the discount, and doing anything to circumvent that could be considered breach of contract. In my view this is more a case of the DMCA not invalidating contract law.
shrike1978 said:
It basically only affects GSM carriers. CDMA is pretty carrier locked just by the nature of the tech. Both major GSM carriers now have ways you can get the phones unlocked through official means as long as the phone supports it and you are no longer under contract. AT&T is even unlocking the iPhone by default now if you pay full (unsubsidized) price for it, and they are unlocked straight from Apple when you buy it unsubsidized through them. None of that is illegal. The illegal part is circumventing it yourself to get around the sanctioned ways.
You gotta remember, the carriers are selling phones at a loss when you commit to a contract, knowing they're going to make it up over the life of the contract. The lock is another way they enforce that. You are legally contracted to be with them for the life of the contract to get the discount, and doing anything to circumvent that could be considered breach of contract. In my view this is more a case of the DMCA not invalidating contract law.
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I don't see a problem, as you have to still pay for the service or pay ETF.
The DMCA has actually helped in more ways than it's restricted.
Not too many people unlock their phones by 3rd party means, anyways.
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look Canada is making them unlock their phones
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/01/28/tech-wireless-code-of-conduct-draft-crtc.html
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Yup, it's true.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
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Before anyone panics, this is only if the phone is still under contract. It's not illegal if the person is out of contract and calls the phone company to ask for the unlock code. At least, that's the way I've understood this. Most people can still unlock their phones, it just makes things more complicated. The funny and sad part is that they're doing this to prevent "fraud" (people making contracts and bailing on them but keeping the phones and reselling them) but all this really does is throw us at the mercy of the carriers. T-mobile is a lot more chill about this but AT&T users will find it more complicated to unlock.
Anyways, it's best to be careful how one treads with this. On one hand, they can't tell how your phone was unlocked, most carriers can't even identify a competitor's phone on their network BUT it may be more risky now to buy unlock codes and I assume the same thing that happened to megaupload will happen to those that provide unlocking services.
It hardly changes anything when you really look at it. Carriers are still selling unlocked phones. Makers are still selling unlocked phones. Once subsidiaries go away, the unlocked phones will cost the same as the carrier ones.
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How would anyone find out and who reports that type of stuff?
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So simplemobile is out of luck....
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Only thing this makes me worry about is how hard it will make it to get unlock codes for us who aren't within the US. And what happens when someone needs to travel out of the country and needs to use a different carrier service while there?
It's irrelevant for this device. You have your unlock code, it's already on the phone you just have to look it up.
its irrelevant for any device purchased before jan, xx 2013 (forget exact date) and if tmobile or whoever wants to freely give you the code they can. or just always buy factory unlocked phones! personally hate paying extra money through a carrier to get a cheap phone when i save far more in the long run buying elsewhere and having a cheaper plan
I was just reading an Engadget post about how unlocking a carrier locked phone is illegal now, in the US anyway. It was long, but really didn't answer the question I had. I am on T-mobile with no contract and like to switch phones every few months. My most frequent stop for phones is eBay, although recently I've gotten unlocked phones from Amazon and Newegg as well. On eBay, I usually buy a locked carrier version (usually At&t) because they are usually cheaper than straight unlocked ones (carrier branded) and much cheaper than international unlocked ones. Then I buy an unlock code from eBay for a few bucks and voila. For some phones that are carrier exclusive or have no international variant yet, this is the only way to get them.
Does this new rule apply to me? I'm thinking no since it is second hand after all and I'm not the one who signed the contract, but they are vague about second-hand unlocking. I also sell my phone on eBay once I'm done using it.
I think of you as you are to unlock the phone which actually was first locked.
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I think as long as the original contract has been satisfied it doesn't matter.
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This is so Verizon,Contact phones and other junk. I have a unlocked phone from ebay on simple mobile which is gsm can use it anywhere in the world and no contract, I just rooted my sisters new S3 on the same phone carrier its under contract,lets see what happens I dont expect anything its my phone in so many words as long as I pay the bill Right ?
xtnelson said:
This is so Verizon,Contact phones and other junk. I have a unlocked phone from ebay on simple mobile which is gsm can use it anywhere in the world and no contract, I just rooted my sisters new S3 on the same phone carrier its under contract,lets see what happens I dont expect anything its my phone in so many words as long as I pay the bill Right ?
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As i know in europe and maybe also in US it is not illegal to unlock your phone - if you have no contract anymore with any provider !
Because it's "YOUR PHONE" and if you make the choice to cut it in small slices - why not - it is yours (when paid) !
But one decision - you have to unlock yourself - as i know it is not allowed by companies in US !
I read the actual text of the decision and it's pretty clearly spelled out (and not even that long). Sorry to be that guy. :silly:
Yeah I have no idea what some of you people are talking about. Or understand the Engrish. The phone is sold to an end user and the software is also licensed to them. This is the relationship between the carrier and the user entering a contract. However, I don't buy direct from the carrier or sign any contracts. Thus, I am not a license holder at all. Furthermore, the ruling allows for "legacy" devices to be unlocked and sold. Legacy device would be loosely understood as second hand, basically what I am buying and unlocking.
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
They'll have to respond to this issue now so hopefully it gets changed and you won't have to worry.
how to other country?
If you have the carrier unlock it, it is not illegal.
If you use your upgrade to get a cheaper phone with a contract and then use a 3rd party SIM unlocker to use on another carrier then it IS illegal.
Start with asking the carrier it is locked by for an unlock code